The King Is Back: Z28

[BigAls87Z28]

The rumored 2012 Z28 shows its face...ish.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f13/2012-camaro-z28-z-28-these-pics-confirm-z28-model-year-engine-93980/#post2112113


http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/07/spy-photos-2012-chevy-camaro-z28.html

direct link

[maroman88]

loooks like its guna be sweeeeet

[BigAls87Z28]

I love the sticker on the dash. No explanation there. Im glad they will offer an auto, should really expand sales.

[r0nin89]

Still dont understand why z28>SS as far as performance to nameplates goes.

****in sweet either way though.

[BigAls87Z28]

Z28 always was better.
SLP ****ed that up. Z28 was the race car, SS was the high end luxury trim. Thats the end of that convo.

[LS1ow]

Still dont understand why z28>SS as far as performance to nameplates goes.

****in sweet either way though.


anything can be a SS, but it takes a camaro to be a z28

[Knipps]

gotta love the black tape over the bowtie on the back, bc people really won't know what it is until that tape comes off
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/camaro%20z28%203.JPG

[Frosty]

I love the sticker on the dash. No explanation there. Im glad they will offer an auto, should really expand sales.

Yeah, I totally agree with the auto comment....it will definitely appeal to a broader spectrum of buyers. Plus, GM obviously had to beef up that A6 trans so maybe some of that knowledge can trickle down to the other A6's.

[baddest434]

it's still ugly

[r0nin89]

Z28 always was better.
SLP ****ed that up. Z28 was the race car, SS was the high end luxury trim. Thats the end of that convo.

I'm not starting an argument just always thought SS>z28 but guess not.

[LTb1ow]

I'm not starting an argument just always thought SS>z28 but guess not.

Theres no HHR Z28 now is there? :rofl:

SS = money maker.

[Squirrel]

challenger is still better lookin

[Mike]

sweet ctsv bumper on the front

[BurninrubberGT]

all the tape and crap and they throw a sticker on describing everything.. :rofl:

[T69SS]

Aside from the quad exhaust, it really doesnt do much for me. Maybe some standard photos will change that

[NastyEllEssWon]

I'm not starting an argument just always thought SS>z28 but guess not.




only in the 4th gen but even then its just a wheel and hood package.

[BigAls87Z28]

The front facia has some major enhancements you can make out along with some other stuff
1) Fog lights are raised and there are brake cooling ducts under them.
2) much larger lower grill opening for enhanced cooling to the rad/intercooler
3) larger front brake rotors and calipers
4) quad exhaust

This is a powertrain mule. 2012 will also be getting a few more visual enhancements along with a new interior. And a convertable model.
the 6L80E is pretty strong, same one in the CTS-V auto.

[LS1ow]

bumper looks real close to the transformers one.


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65419&stc=1&d=1256282651

[Blacdout96]

only in the 4th gen but even then its just a wheel and hood package.

And 20 more hp, and upgraded suspension, and rear wing.


IMO, hopefully they've tackled the weight issue in this one, otherwise its pointless.

[Scrat's_Camaro]

gotta love the black tape over the bowtie on the back, bc people really won't know what it is until that tape comes off
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/camaro%20z28%203.JPG

especially when they got a decal on the side of the door.

[BigAls87Z28]

And 20 more hp, and upgraded suspension, and rear wing.


IMO, hopefully they've tackled the weight issue in this one, otherwise its pointless.

We will be lucky if it comes in at the same weight as the SS.

[NastyEllEssWon]

And 20 more hp, and upgraded suspension, and rear wing.


IMO, hopefully they've tackled the weight issue in this one, otherwise its pointless.




z28s were just as fast as ss's honestly.

[sweetbmxrider]

it looks like a ****ing 5th gen


good pics or GTFO!!!!!!!!!!

[qwikz28]

Al when can we see the updated interior?

[12secondv6]

Meh - while it will still make more hp and tq than the challenger.... I still prefer the challenger

[NastyEllEssWon]

Al when can we see the updated interior?




whenever someones posts it on gminsidernews and he passes the info along :lol:

[ar0ck]

Hot fizzle

[JL8Jeff]

Z28 always was better.
SLP ****ed that up. Z28 was the race car, SS was the high end luxury trim. Thats the end of that convo.

Z28 was just an RPO that put together a combination to make the car legal for SCCA Trans Am racing. Performance was roughly the same if you got the higher end SS engine combinations. 2 options with different purposes but Chevy blew it when they dropped the SS option. Of course, they also dropped the Z28 option for a couple of years as well.

[Blacdout96]

I just think these cars are overkill, both thte GT500, and the Z28 for the money, and performance. like one person said, by the time your done spending that kind of dough, you might as well of bought a used Z06, or a new Vette. They are taking the Z28 the wrong way, and Jeff is dead on about it, it was to be legal for SCCA Trans Am racing, but they are swinging it the other way for drag racing.

GM, if you can hear me, dont bring the Z28 out with this blowing, overweight abomination, bring it back to it's original roots, you already designed it to look like the first gens, might as well be nostalgic, and build it for road racing purposes. Leave the Z28 designation alone, and make that a "COPO" Camaro edition.

[BigAls87Z28]

I agree on that, but that just isnt going to happen. Someone didn't have access to a Camaro history book.
Z28 to me would be a 3700lbs powerd by the same LS3 with higher flow two mode exhaust, forged wheels with PS2's on them, larger brakes, reworked suspension, and Recaros inside. Start it at 39,995. Put some neat-o featuers like a G-meter in optional HUD

[Blacdout96]

I agree on that, but that just isnt going to happen. Someone didn't have access to a Camaro history book.
Z28 to me would be a 3700lbs powerd by the same LS3 with higher flow two mode exhaust, forged wheels with PS2's on them, larger brakes, reworked suspension, and Recaros inside. Start it at 39,995. Put some neat-o featuers like a G-meter in optional HUD

And I right there would be looking for an Ideal camaro like that. Oh well, maybe the 6th gen will correct that. Take about 200 more lbs off that number you got Al, and it would be more agile IMO. I love their handling, but it feels like they have a little more roll in them still then I would like to whip around a test n tune day.


You rub elbows with some higher ups Al, maybe throw that pitch at them :D

[BigAls87Z28]

You bastards...

3500lbs is gunna be hard without sacraficing the chassis's ability to handle power.
Would you be willing to sacrafice power for weight?
As it stands, the Camaro's chassis is designed to handle up to 600hp without problems.
If you were to say, cut that max power down to 400hp, the car would weigh a lot less...but after 400hp, it would require a lot of weight.
Example is the GT500 vs the GT. If you look at 09 GT, it was a bit over 3500lbs with a 300hp V8. The chassis had a limit of about 400hp, so when the GT500 came about, they had to really step up the chassis's strength to hold the power, and why the GT500 gains 400lbs, on top of that whole supercharged engine deal.

[Blacdout96]

One thing that Ford offers though is their white chassis Mustangs to private race teams, and Chevy should look into their process if they were to strenghten up the chassis. Ford takes a chassis, scraps off the cauk ( dont think thats spelled right) and weld all the panels instead of tack welds, this makes the chassis much stiffer. You gain road noise, squeeky noises, and possibly a harsher ride, but you know what you've gotten yourself into when buying a car with road racing visioned for it. IMO, 422hp is plenty for a 3500lbs car, it'll help you get to that corner, but its that weight that'll keep it from shooting out quicker. It would be nice to get away form the stereotype that these muscle cars were coming out with are too muscular ( overweight)

It would be like the 1LE package, you know your buying it without some creature comforts for handling capabilities.

[BigAls87Z28]

Im talking about actual cars for sale, not race cars.
GM does offer Body-In-White programs for Camaro, Corvette, and I think Cobalt as well as Cruze in Europe.

The new GT is 3600+lbs. The 6th gen should also be in that range, power will be about the same.
I would say that Alpha's chassis will be able to take 450hp, figuring that the new ATS will have a V model, and that will have to do battle with a 400+ M3 and 450hp C63, not to mention RS4/5.

I expect that the ATS and Camaro will share a lot of features, along with the next gen CTS.

[Blacdout96]

What Im saying though is a production car with the white body work done to it to help make up for the strengthening of hte body, instead of adding more structural material.

and they do that with he cobalt and cruz, really? thats sweet actually!

whats the price for one of those bodies? I heard fords is around 5K

[BigAls87Z28]

No idea, but Cruze kicks a lot of butt in WTCC in Europe.

[Squirrel]

i think a small displacement v8 that revs to the moon would be a cool option also

[Frosty]

i think a small displacement v8 that revs to the moon would be a cool option also

Maybe once the 5.5L comes out, Al that's what the Corvette racing team is working on to replace the 7.0 right?

[Blacdout96]

i think a small displacement v8 that revs to the moon would be a cool option also

Maybe once the 5.5L comes out, Al that's what the Corvette racing team is working on to replace the 7.0 right?

This.

and yes, they switched to GT2 class, so they run the 5.5L now.

[BigAls87Z28]

5.5 is a class restriced engine size, we should see larger displacements then that. 5.5 is pretty much a race-only size. We might see a 5.7? The Gen V's are all new, sharing nothing with the Gen III/IV's

[WildBillyT]

I just think these cars are overkill, both thte GT500, and the Z28 for the money, and performance. like one person said, by the time your done spending that kind of dough, you might as well of bought a used Z06, or a new Vette. They are taking the Z28 the wrong way, and Jeff is dead on about it, it was to be legal for SCCA Trans Am racing, but they are swinging it the other way for drag racing.

GM, if you can hear me, dont bring the Z28 out with this blowing, overweight abomination, bring it back to it's original roots, you already designed it to look like the first gens, might as well be nostalgic, and build it for road racing purposes. Leave the Z28 designation alone, and make that a "COPO" Camaro edition.

Remember that the COPO cars sold like crap back in the day, and the Z/28 was mostly a dog in the quarter.

[BigAls87Z28]

COPO cars were also 2x the normal price of a loaded SS Camaro.
A true ZL1 went for 8 grand, when a loaded 396 SS went for 4,500 or so. Thats an about a 70k Camaro.
But those cars are cool..I guess its not cool when its new and modern?

[LTb1ow]

COPO cars were also 2x the normal price of a loaded SS Camaro.
A true ZL1 went for 8 grand, when a loaded 396 SS went for 4,500 or so. Thats an about a 70k Camaro.
But those cars are cool..I guess its not cool when its huge and bloated?

Pretty much.

[JL8Jeff]

Remember that the COPO cars sold like crap back in the day, and the Z/28 was mostly a dog in the quarter.

Not true, the COPO ZL1 cars sold like crap because Chevy misquoted the price to Fred Gibb and they came in over $7500. They only made 69 of those cars, the 900+ COPO L72 cars sold for less than the price of a Z28 and kicked butt in drag racing. What's kind of ironic is some of the ZL1 cars and engines ended up down under doing road course racing instead of the Z28's.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://jalopnik.com/5603330/new-camaro-z28-testing-alongside-gt500

[Tru2Chevy]

http://jalopnik.com/5603330/new-camaro-z28-testing-alongside-gt500

Same story and discussion on Camaro5: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98470

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151266&d=1280846858

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

They make Al look like a Camaro hater

[trashman01]

Z28 always was better.
SLP ****ed that up. Z28 was the race car, SS was the high end luxury trim. Thats the end of that convo.

hey al, if the ZXX is a race car, does that mean my Z24 is a race car?:rofl:

yes im late to the convo but idc

[Frosty]

hey al, if the ZXX is a race car, does that mean my Z24 is a race car?:rofl:

yes im late to the convo but idc

:confused: What does your Cavalier have to do with anything?

He was talking about the Z28 trim vs the SS trim and their hierarchy.

[BigAls87Z28]

Z24 and the like took the familiarity of the Z nomenclature and expanded it across the board for all Chevy's.
They did the same for SS badge.

Z28 was the RPO code for the Trans Am spec Camaro.

The Z28 vs GT500 will have a pretty even playing field in weight and power. Its gunna come down to the details to decide this.

[WildBillyT]

hey al, if the ZXX is a race car, does that mean my Z24 is a race car?:rofl:

yes im late to the convo but idc

Z23 was an interior package...

[Featherburner]

Z23 was an interior package...
You should know what RPO Z26 was, Right?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

You should know what RPO Z26 was, Right?

Rally Nova?

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=95591&stc=1&d=1266704775







only z26 i care about :nod:

[LTb1ow]

And that... is why your opinion on this matter is null and void...



****ing berettes or whatever the hell it is...

:lol:

[JL8Jeff]

The Z28 vs GT500 will have a pretty even playing field in weight and power. Its gunna come down to the details to decide this.

That Mustang looks just as big and heavy as the Camaro so it probably will be a pretty even matchup. The real crime is what both cars cost.

[WildBillyT]

Rally Nova?

Nova SS RPO. It became the Rally when the SS was killed. Z27 was the SS package in a Camaro.

Gives some validity to Z28 being "next in line" of RPO codes.

[Slow-V6]

Damn I forgot how much GM used the Z name on there cars and trucks. I had a Z24 Cavy as well.

[Featherburner]

Rally Nova?Yes, but not originally.


only z26 i care about :nod:
FAIL!

Nova SS RPO. It became the Rally when the SS was killed. Z27 was the SS package in a Camaro.

Gives some validity to Z28 being "next in line" of RPO codes.Winner!

[BigAls87Z28]

Z27 was SS trim for Camaro too. Z28 was next up.

[Featherburner]

Z27 was SS trim for Camaro too. Z28 was next up.Read much?:lol:

Nova SS RPO. It became the Rally when the SS was killed. Z27 was the SS package in a Camaro.

Gives some validity to Z28 being "next in line" of RPO codes.

[Tru2Chevy]

That Mustang looks just as big and heavy as the Camaro so it probably will be a pretty even matchup. The real crime is what both cars cost.

Curb weight on a 2010 GT500 is 3,924
Curb weight on a 2011 GT500 is 3,820
Curb weight on a 2010 Camaro SS is 3860 (manual)

Hopefully the Z28 will come in pretty close on weight as compared to the SS, but we'll see.

The 2011 GT500 is rated at 550hp / 510 tq, the LSA in the CTS-V is rated at 556hp / 551 tq. So if Z28 gets the LSA with no changes, it'll basically be looking at decent torque advantage, hopefully not hindered by a bunch more weight.

- Justin

[SteveR]

Those are full size family sedan weight numbers :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Those are full size family sedan weight numbers :lol:

New Z28 minivan edition? :lol:

[Knipps]

Those are full size family sedan weight numbers :lol:

CTS is 378X :lol: but then again the CTS coupe only shaves like 50lbs off that

[Tru2Chevy]

CTS is 378X :lol: but then again the CTS coupe only shaves like 50lbs off that

And 09+ CTS-V is 4,250.....

- Justin

[SteveR]

My crown vic weighs 3861 :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

A quick hint at what we can expect.
Remember that the CTS-V coupe while lighter then the sedan is still heavier then the GT500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF_Xzjl4&feature=player_embedded

[maroman88]

A quick hint at what we can expect.
Remember that the CTS-V coupe while lighter then the sedan is still heavier then the GT500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF_Xzjl4&feature=player_embedded

lol that is great! caddy's spankin the top of the line mustang! who woulda thunk!!!! try explaing that to the older crowd that drives devilles lol

[Featherburner]

A quick hint at what we can expect.
Remember that the CTS-V coupe while lighter then the sedan is still heavier then the GT500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF_Xzjl4&feature=player_embeddedI saw a CTS-V sedan run 11.9 with nothing but drag radials. Very impressive!

[edpontiac91]

You can't stop the HORSEPOWER WARS. Ford has put a built stop for the Mustang GT500 @ 5,000 units, because ALREADY half of that number has already been sold and they want to keep this model as exclusive as possible. It seems that the higher the horsepower goes, it has no limit as to what the public will PAY. Most of these models wind up as garage queens anyway!:shock:

[Slow-V6]

You can't stop the HORSEPOWER WARS. Ford has put a built stop for the Mustang GT500 @ 5,000 units, because ALREADY half of that number has already been sold and they want to keep this model as exclusive as possible. It seems that the higher the horsepower goes, it has no limit as to what the public will PAY. Most of these models wind up as garage queens anyway!:shock:

I agree with you to a point but owning a Shelby GT500 is a pretty big deal and I understand why it gets sold out quickly and why ford wants to cap how many are being sold. Ford collectors will buy these cars up and put them next to there 60's GT500 in there garages.

The Z28 to me is just a high hp Z28. My brother bought a 98 Z28 for 6,000 4 years ago. He asked me why would he pay 10X's that for a new Z28? I couldnt give him any other answer but its a 550hpish car. His response to me was that his car is heads and cam and makes around 430rwhp and probably runs what a new Z28 will run in the 1/4 mid-high 11's.

[BigAls87Z28]

But your brothers car doesn't come with 6 piston calipers and massive rotors or a 5/100k warranty does it.

[Slow-V6]

But your brothers car doesn't come with 6 piston calipers and massive rotors or a 5/100k warranty does it.

No it doesnt. His car does have an aftermarket warranty on it but I dont know how many years or miles its for. I will pass that info along to him but I already know what he is going to say.

[Frosty]

But your brothers car doesn't come with 6 piston calipers and massive rotors or a 5/100k warranty does it.

Don't forget better build quality but eh, meaningless details lol

It's cool that someone can buy a cheaper car and build it to a fast car, that's the awesome part of hot rodding...for some reason the domestic guys get a free pass for having that mentality but the kids that build a Hon-duh that beats up on a C6 are called ricers and that it's still a Hon-duh no matter what. Just a bit of irony I guess.

[BonzoHansen]

My brother bought a 98 Z28 for 6,000 4 years ago. He asked me why would he pay 10X's that for a new Z28? Anyone making that argument is not buying a new car anyway. His argument is not wrong, it's just kind of irrelevant in this context. Used is a great way to go, let others take the big depreciation hit.


If shelby signed a flaming bag of poo people would overpay for it. And he'd take the money to sign it too. people who buy new shelbys as investments watch too much barrett-jackson or just like to be able to say "I own one" so they think they are cool.

[BigAls87Z28]

JNo it doesnt. His car does have an aftermarket warranty on it but I dont know how many years or miles its for. I will pass that info along to him but I already know what he is going to say.


Its more then all that. Im sure lots of cars can be built to out do the camaro. Some just want to do it themselves.

[Slow-V6]

If shelby signed a flaming bag of poo people would overpay for it. And he'd take the money to sign it too. people who buy new shelbys as investments watch too much barrett-jackson or just like to be able to say "I own one" so they think they are cool.


Very true.

Is this Z28 going to be a GT500 type car were only so many are built or is it going to be just like the SS were there are no set amount to be built?