Spec's for 2011 Dodge Challenger leaked

[12secondv6]

I'm really happy about the V6 and R/T spec's... not too thrilled about the SRT8 spec's.

It's nice to see the V6 breaking the 300+ hp range.... I know the v6 mustang and v6 camaro will run circles around the v6 challenger.... but 300+ HP is nice.

I think the R/T is going to be a great bang for the buck.

The SRT8 shoulda broken the 500 HP mark..... granted.... dodge could be under rating the car. Time will tell.

Here is some more info for ya:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/110092028495/2011-dodge-challenger-specs-leaked

[Blacdout96]

Did they fix the weight issue? like the fact they brought back the 392, that's cool in my books, now bring back the 426 and we'll talk.

[12secondv6]

Did they fix the weight issue?

OMG.... this is like the question... when is GM brining back the firebird.

:horse:

I don't expect ANY manufacturer (dodge, GM, of Ford) to go ahead and drop weight on the challenger, camaro or mustang.

Cars weighing in at 4,000 lbs is more common now.... 3500 lbs is in the past..... 3000 lbs just ain't gonna happen.

Sure, the vette is an exception... but that is a strictly performance 2 seater car.

[Blacdout96]

Only reason why is some CEO guy said 0-60 in the 3 second range, no need to get antsy about that statement.

[BigAls87Z28]

3sec range with a Saturn V on its ass.
The CTS-V has 556 and that does in the 3 sec range. Weight about the same.

[Tru2Chevy]

The new Pentastar v6 should help the base models get out of their own way now. And the SRT8 will likely be able to keep up with the Camaro SS and Mustang GT now :)

I wonder what little changes they made to give it the "minor facelift". Should be interesting to see some photos soon.

- Justin

[12secondv6]

The 0-60 in 3 second range is just plain stupid - he must have made a mistake because there is no way it will come even close to that.... unless they put a neon in the trunk ;)

[Blacdout96]

The new Pentastar v6 should help the base models get out of their own way now. And the SRT8 will likely be able to keep up with the Camaro SS and Mustang GT now :)

I wonder what little changes they made to give it the "minor facelift". Should be interesting to see some photos soon.

- Justin

heard the only minor face lift was flipping the lower radiator duct. Jalopnik reported it a few months back.

[qwikz28]

OMG.... this is like the question... when is GM brining back the firebird.

:horse:

I don't expect ANY manufacturer (dodge, GM, of Ford) to go ahead and drop weight on the challenger, camaro or mustang.

Cars weighing in at 4,000 lbs is more common now.... 3500 lbs is in the past..... 3000 lbs just ain't gonna happen.

Sure, the vette is an exception... but that is a strictly performance 2 seater car.

http://www.jaguar.com/us/en/#/new_xj/specifications

just to be annoying, the new Jaguar XJ weighs less than the outgoing challenger. Many car companies, BMW being the first that comes to mind, are attacking weight as a means to save fuel. They vowed the new 3 series would be 2 or 300 pounds lighter than the current model.

I know I am talking cars in a way higher price bracket, but I just wanted to share what little automotive knowledge I have. That being said, I saw spy shots of the new Charger, and I want that!

[12secondv6]

http://www.jaguar.com/us/en/#/new_xj/specifications

just to be annoying, the new Jaguar XJ weighs less than the outgoing challenger.

Jag base = 4045 lbs
Mid = 4131 to 4281 lbs
Top of the line = 4323 lbs

Challenger base = 3819 lbs
Mid = 4041 lbs
Top of the line = 4140 lbs

Challenger is lighter according to the link you provided - I used the spec's off dodge's site

[qwikz28]

Jag base = 4045 lbs
Mid = 4131 to 4281 lbs
Top of the line = 4323 lbs

Challenger base = 3819 lbs
Mid = 4041 lbs
Top of the line = 4140 lbs

Challenger is lighter according to the link you provided - I used the spec's off dodge's site

bah-humbug! :lol: I still don't see why there is so much Challenger love on this site, and no love for the Charger. Everytime I see a SRT8 Charger I get weak in the knees. No one else?

[NastyEllEssWon]

bah-humbug! :lol: I still don't see why there is so much Challenger love on this site, and no love for the Charger. Everytime I see a SRT8 Charger I get weak in the knees. No one else?




because the name charger doesnt belong on a 4 door

[12secondv6]

The charger is just a let down - the name means excitement... and what we currently have is just plain bland.

I like the new charger.....it is FAR better than the current model.... but it is still kinda bland.

[Featherburner]

The charger is just a let down - the name means excitement... and what we currently have is just plain bland.

I like the new charger.....it is FAR better than the current model.... but it is still kinda bland.
Excitement like this?
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u3/jdhawk93/77Charger.jpg

Or, like this? :rofl:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u3/jdhawk93/87chargers.jpg

It's funny how people only remember what they want to remember.

[Blacdout96]

Ouch, thats a ****ing bullseye right there feather.

[LS1Hawk]

Lol, my first car was an '87 Charger. Same exact color and wheels as the one on the right in the picture.

[BigAls87Z28]

Reminds me of all the GTO haters.

The 04-06 GTO's are not GTO's, but the 74 GTO..that was a keeper.

[Blacdout96]

Reminds me of all the GTO haters.

The 04-06 GTO's are not GTO's, but the 74 GTO..that was a keeper.

Not really, GTO from the 60's, and way early 70's, and of 04-06 made some awesome numbers, though the newer ones looked like a fat Grand Prix, but at least it kept to it's muscle car roots in a way.

The Charger's of the 60's and way early 70's, made awesome numbers,had sexy lines, and even starred in a country bumkin show. Charger of the 80's a hatchback with a 1.6 or 2.2, that once madea n appearance on Cannonball Run II. New ones are a 4 door 300C based car. Sorry that's whoring out a name that was once an icon of the musclecar era, then had it's face smashed in a pile of dog **** in the 80's, and when they had a clear chance to bring a pony/muscle car out that should be 2 door, they dropped the ball and made a 4 door sedan with the name slapped on, and then sold it with crazy colors, daytona packaging ( whoring that name out as well from the pickup to the Charger) but in the end, it's not a echo of it's once remembered days of reckoning, its just an alternate solution to people who didnt want to buya station wagon (Magnum).....

Speaking of whoring out a special name GM was doing a pretty good job of that with the SS moniker. :lol:

[r0nin89]

Hey look new spy photos of the hopd up srt8. Looks like they changed more than they said.





:rofl:

[Blacdout96]

Hey look new spy photos of the hopd up srt8. Looks like they changed more than they said.





:rofl:

Ah, the new run flat technology I heard they were testing, looks very promising. I bet that thing hooks like a Mother F'r, no wonder why they said it could hit 0-60 in 3 seconds :rofl:

[WildBillyT]

Reminds me of all the GTO haters.

The 04-06 GTO's are not GTO's, but the 74 GTO..that was a keeper.

X body FTW

Oh, and if you want to talk 'screwed history', look at the Malibu. Sure the new one is nice, but it's a Chevy Taurus. Back in the 60's it could be a RWD 396/375 Z16 with 4.11 gears and a 4 speed. I still think the new Mali should be a rebadged G8.

[r0nin89]

X body FTW

Oh, and if you want to talk 'screwed history', look at the Malibu. Sure the new one is nice, but it's a Chevy Taurus. Back in the 60's it could be a RWD 396/375 Z16 with 4.11 gears and a 4 speed. I still think the new Mali should be a rebadged G8.

Yep that would be sweet. The malibu was the last GM car to hold true "muscle car lines"

[BigAls87Z28]

X body FTW

Oh, and if you want to talk 'screwed history', look at the Malibu. Sure the new one is nice, but it's a Chevy Taurus. Back in the 60's it could be a RWD 396/375 Z16 with 4.11 gears and a 4 speed. I still think the new Mali should be a rebadged G8.


Malibu was just a trim level for Nova till the late 70s.
Malibu is still a midsized car where the G8 is a fullsize. Taurus is also a fullsize now.
You guys and your mythic stories. I tell ya......

[r0nin89]

Malibu was just a trim level for Nova till the late 70s.
Malibu is still a midsized car where the G8 is a fullsize. Taurus is also a fullsize now.
You guys and your mythic stories. I tell ya......

Yeah and post Nova it was its own car that has a huge following. The fact still stands about the nameplate.

And your on crack if you think the g8 is a fullsize car. Holden themselves disproved that by offering a longer version of it in saudi markets. A crown vic is a fullsize car, a caprice is a full size car, not a taurus lol.

[WildBillyT]

Malibu was just a trim level for Nova till the late 70s.
Malibu is still a midsized car where the G8 is a fullsize. Taurus is also a fullsize now.
You guys and your mythic stories. I tell ya......

Mythic stories?

I'm talking about when the Malibu was a trim level for the A-body Chevelle, not the Nova, and the Z-16 cars which were Malibus only.

I can also bitch about how the Impala in its days of greatness got a 425hp 409, 425hp 427, or recently an iron headed LT1 before it got w-bodied and neutered. That's probably better, since the Mali was a non-performance trim option in most years.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah and post Nova it was its own car that has a huge following. The fact still stands about the nameplate.

And your on crack if you think the g8 is a fullsize car. Holden themselves disproved that by offering a longer version of it in saudi markets. A crown vic is a fullsize car, a caprice is a full size car, not a taurus lol.

Im on crack? The G8 is 200 inches long, its a true full sized car. The WM cars are very big cars, I believe longer then the B body Caprice.
G8 was classified as a full sized car. Malibu is Midsized.
Mythic stories means that the 409 powerd cars, the 427hp Big Blocks, etc etc make up a small percent of the Impala's that hit the road.
Most were 4 door or even station wagons.
You could also argue that the Impala SS could outperform a big block Impala of the 60's, so really what makes the current Impala SS a lesser car then the old car? Design? Time frame?

[NastyEllEssWon]

wow al you just stick to that fanboy wagon true and true. the new impalibu's are disgraces to their nameplates. the same way the new camaro is a disgrace to its nameplate. why not just admit that gm dropped the ball and slapped names on generic cars that dont deserve them instead of being a tad bit original and actually designing cars with the nameplate picked out beforehand, instead of taking a car they designed and slapping a rehashed tired name on it in hopes of generating sales with nostalgia.



edit: also why are you name dropping gm cars in a mopar thread. no one mentioned gm until you. good job.

[WildBillyT]

Im on crack? The G8 is 200 inches long, its a true full sized car. The WM cars are very big cars, I believe longer then the B body Caprice.
G8 was classified as a full sized car. Malibu is Midsized.
Mythic stories means that the 409 powerd cars, the 427hp Big Blocks, etc etc make up a small percent of the Impala's that hit the road.
Most were 4 door or even station wagons.
You could also argue that the Impala SS could outperform a big block Impala of the 60's, so really what makes the current Impala SS a lesser car then the old car? Design? Time frame?

You are missing my point.

They were obviously not all kick ass cars, a very small percentage of them were. Using the '68 Nova as an example, 183,552 were made with 667 being L78 cars. That's .036%. I understand all that very clearly.

But the fact is that you had an option to go that route if you wanted to. And even the base models had some style. Some of the newer cars are very nondescript and bland. Nobody will be lusting over a 2002 Malibu or 2003 Impala when they are in their 40's.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

:barf: The whole Chrysler line-up is garbage.

[qwikz28]

But the fact is that you had an option to go that route if you wanted to. And even the base models had some style. Some of the newer cars are very nondescript and bland. Nobody will be lusting over a 2002 Malibu or 2003 Impala when they are in their 40's.

but the people who are now in their 50s and 60s and want a mid-sizer will remember their 66 Malibu when they go to dealer and look at the current Bu. That is the object, which I am sure you are well aware. and Nasty, sure they are a disgrace to the nameplate, but can you at least respect it as a sales strategy? (I don't, but thats a different story)

[qwikz28]

:barf: The whole Chrysler line-up is garbage.

http://www.onlydreamcars.com/wallpapers/DodgeViperACR08_2.jpg
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/05/2011_jeep_grand_cherokee.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

viper does not count, it is out of production correct?

[Featherburner]

And Jeep is really AMC. Right?

[qwikz28]

viper does not count, it is out of production correct?

yup


And Jeep is really a last generation Benz. Right?

yup.

[BigAls87Z28]

wow al you just stick to that fanboy wagon true and true. the new impalibu's are disgraces to their nameplates. the same way the new camaro is a disgrace to its nameplate. why not just admit that gm dropped the ball and slapped names on generic cars that dont deserve them instead of being a tad bit original and actually designing cars with the nameplate picked out beforehand, instead of taking a car they designed and slapping a rehashed tired name on it in hopes of generating sales with nostalgia.



edit: also why are you name dropping gm cars in a mopar thread. no one mentioned gm until you. good job.

That's your opinion.
I dont think that anyone that bought a Malibu is thinking about about any Malibu before it. Same goes for Impala.
GM, like chrysler and ford all get bashed for bringing back olds names, but when they stop using them, or change them up, they get more backlash.
The idea is that you have an established name, like Impala, Camaro, Suburban, names that have been around for 50+ years, and you dont stray away from them. People arent buying them for the history of it, but more of an established name, a name that they have heard before. It can also backfire. In fact, a big complaint is that the Big 3 switch names when things dont work out. If GM called the new Cruze or Volt, the Vega, dont you think there would be a problem? Or the Aveo, the Chevette?
It goes both ways.

All in all, you are trolling this thread. You added nothing but an attack to me in this discussion, and you should be banned. But that wont happen.

[BigAls87Z28]

yup




yup.

Actually, the new GC is based off the CURRENT MB chassis that sits under the ML, GL, and R class.

Viper rumors right now are swirling around twice as much as Camaro ever was. With an Italian Automaker, who has control over such cars like the Alfa 8C, Maserati, and Ferrari...one can only hope. In fact, I heard that the brand new SLS was in fact Viper engineering that Benz stole before it bailed and left Dodge with nothing.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Viper rumors right now are swirling around twice as much as Camaro ever was. With an Italian Automaker, who has control over such cars like the Alfa 8C, Maserati, and Ferrari...one can only hope. In fact, I heard that the brand new SLS was in fact Viper engineering that Benz stole before it bailed and left Dodge with nothing.

SLS was the chassis double, it was confirmed a while back. Now there are rumors that Viper/Alfa 8C will share a chassis

[Frosty]

Rumors are flying that the Viper will be back. I didn't absorb the entire article I read but I think I remember reading the guy responsible for the Viper design has be rehired(I could be wrong though).

[Blacdout96]

Rumors are flying that the Viper will be back. I didn't absorb the entire article I read but I think I remember reading the guy responsible for the Viper design has be rehired(I could be wrong though).

Carroll Shelby? lol

[Frosty]

Carroll Shelby? lol

No, some other guy. I don't know much about the Viper, not my cup of tea...I could care less who designs what...so I know no one's name in that side of the business lol

[r0nin89]

All in all, you are trolling this thread. You added nothing but an attack to me in this discussion, and you should be banned. But that wont happen.

/butthurt

:rofl:

[qwikz28]

Actually, the new GC is based off the CURRENT MB chassis that sits under the ML, GL, and R class.

Viper rumors right now are swirling around twice as much as Camaro ever was. With an Italian Automaker, who has control over such cars like the Alfa 8C, Maserati, and Ferrari...one can only hope. In fact, I heard that the brand new SLS was in fact Viper engineering that Benz stole before it bailed and left Dodge with nothing.

I thought it was the old chassis. That makes me want that truck even more!

I heard that the next viper will be a rebadged 8C, although from what I've read, that isn't a good thing. :(

[BurninrubberGT]

still to fat, like the rest of america