Toyota only automaker to see sales drop in Oct

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://www.freep.com/article/20101103/BUSINESS0104/101103049/1318/Toyota-alone-sees-sales-drop-in-October
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Toyota said today its sales of cars and trucks in the United States declined 4.4% in October, making the company the only major automaker so far to report a sales decline for the month.

[sweetbmxrider]

looks like people are finally putting the "brakes" on toyota!

eh?

[Frosty]

looks like people are finally putting the "brakes" on toyota!

eh?

:rimshot:

[BigRocsFirebird]

good..

[Ls1dreamin02]

I can not stand Toyota/People Who Drive Toyota's/The name Toyota itself. They just make me angry. I always give those little hybrid sh*** a little taste of the LM1. Yeah i only get like 25mpg but mine sounds way better and i make 300 more hp than yours...thats all that counts right? haha

[BigRocsFirebird]

I can not stand Toyota/People Who Drive Toyota's/The name Toyota itself. They just make me angry. I always give those little hybrid sh*** a little taste of the LM1. Yeah i only get like 25mpg but mine sounds way better and i make 300 more hp than yours...thats all that counts right? haha

yeah i can't stand the people that talk **** cause their car burns less fuel.. they don't get the fact that i rather listen to my cammed v8 and see money signs flow out the back than drive a ugly egg shapped hybrid. i hear it all the time in school. mainly it's the girls that say "my car car is better it gets better gas mileage, yours sucks".

[fmybody]

yeah i can't stand the people that talk **** cause their car burns less fuel.. they don't get the fact that i rather listen to my cammed v8 and see money signs flow out the back than drive a ugly egg shapped hybrid. i hear it all the time in school. mainly it's the girls that say "my car car is better it gets better gas mileage, yours sucks".

its their only defense in not having a bad arse car!:nod:

i always get like "i bet that thing sucks on gas"

im like.. not as bad as you think actaully

[BigRocsFirebird]

its their only defense in not having a bad arse car!:nod:

i always get like "i bet that thing sucks on gas"

im like.. not as bad as you think actaully

yeah haha i hear that sometimes. but i could care less cause i love driving. sometimes i drive just to drive i look at it as a hobby i guess. so if i spend a ton of money on gas i don't care. not to mention i've got a decent amount to spend on gas anyway.

[sweetbmxrider]

tell em you get better fun per gallon 8-)

[BigRocsFirebird]

tell em you get better fun per gallon 8-)

haha yeah and its nice to have the power to get out of the way if needed.

[fmybody]

haha FPG (fun per gallon) is wayy higher than MPG

i happen to get 80+ FPG

[Iroc-z86]

a coworker of mine just purchased his 3rd camry.... and every time it snows and he is working he complains about driving in the snow. i get in my jeep and so a few donuts just to show off. his comeback is "i get 34 mpg" and i say "i can go where ever i want regardless of terrain/weather." and he shuts up lol not to mention the camaro. I like the FPG- mine is about 75FPG i need a 350 or ls..

[Frosty]

He drives a FWD Camry and complains about the snow? They do well in the snow. He sounds like a giant vagina lol

[BigRocsFirebird]

He drives a FWD Camry and complains about the snow? They do well in the snow. He sounds like a giant vagina lol

good post:rofl:

[Frosty]

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

[maroman88]

good post:rofl:

2nd that!

[LS1Hawk]

3rd! It's just another example of the prick option most people take when they purchase a Toyota.

[Blacdout96]

yeah i can't stand the people that talk **** cause their car burns less fuel.

Lets get one thing straight about these arrogant douches in hybrids, they do NOT burn less fuel, they are only stretching the mileage they are getting out of that tank, if they have 10 gallons in the car, it will burn that 10 gallons, it just takes longer. They are still unloading the amount of carbon dioxide that a standard car does, it just does it over a farther range, so in the end weither you drive a hybrid or non hybrid, you still end up at the same road, they just tend to take the scenic route....

The only true envirmentally friendly vehicle is an electric vehicle, or a sola powered vehicle, somethign that doesnt run on fossil fuels at all.

[Frosty]

The only true envirmentally friendly vehicle is an electric vehicle, or a sola powered vehicle, somethign that doesnt run on fossil fuels at all.

Even that's not completely true. Electric vehicles still need the power from another source, which is still typically derived from fossil fuels. Same goes for the hydrogen vehicles GM and other companies are testing....awesome idea but the amount of electricity and water used to make the fuel is crazy...so even that, in the end, is hurting the environment. Our very existence hurts the environment.

Solar cars are kinda cool though.

[Blacdout96]

Well of course grease and lubricants will need to be produced, thats inevitable, but compare that to the amount of using fuel ( will say a car that averages 280-400mpg on a 18 gallon tank) times that by 100,000, then times it by 19, which is the lbs. that 1 gallon produces, and that gives you how much you produce, and thatss if you ONLY go 100,000, but seeing as today people get 200,000+ miles.

If America will get off their high horse, shell out the money and really grasp the usage of wind and solar power, and use that to charge your car, you really cant do the math in your head, but I can sure as hell tell you its alot less then an average car using fossil fuels :)

I was thinking of turning my 3000GT into an electric vehicle, and using my land to put up a couple windmills to chargee it over night with, but I really want to put an aluminum V8 in it cause it's sexy enough to have that sound.


to get back on topic though, being a former Toyota employee, the stereotype fits the owner of hybrid cars, oh god were they so smug when they came in, and they would ride us up and down to try and get them dirt cheap, as though we should pay THEM for getting one because they are saving the enviroment.....and yes, half of them would come in with a Starbucks coffee, it was really hard to not laugh when you'd see that.

[mc73nova]

I own a Honda(long story) so, I cant really comment on the whole import's not selling idea! However, the fact that they say these cars are better for the environment is laughable. The auto body shop my father used to work for made him go to a mandatory class, otherwise he was unable to perform work on them, because he needed to be aware of the safety issues involved while working on them. I never remember having to work on my car with a full body suit because the fluids in my car would eat at my flesh! Those weren't the exact words but it is true, you have to work with certain protective clothing to insure your safety while working on one.

By the way, if you own a hybrid, you are defeating the purpose by throwing your cigarette but out the window of it!

[BigRocsFirebird]

Lets get one thing straight about these arrogant douches in hybrids, they do NOT burn less fuel, they are only stretching the mileage they are getting out of that tank, if they have 10 gallons in the car, it will burn that 10 gallons, it just takes longer. They are still unloading the amount of carbon dioxide that a standard car does, it just does it over a farther range, so in the end weither you drive a hybrid or non hybrid, you still end up at the same road, they just tend to take the scenic route....

The only true envirmentally friendly vehicle is an electric vehicle, or a sola powered vehicle, somethign that doesnt run on fossil fuels at all.

I see what your saying but my mustang gets around 8mpg and they get 50 if I drive from my house to wildwood with them right behind me.. same distance, but I'm burning a lot more fuel.

[BonzoHansen]

Lets get one thing straight about these arrogant douches in hybrids, they do NOT burn less fuel, they are only stretching the mileage they are getting out of that tank, if they have 10 gallons in the car, it will burn that 10 gallons, it just takes longer. They are still unloading the amount of carbon dioxide that a standard car does, it just does it over a farther range, so in the end weither you drive a hybrid or non hybrid, you still end up at the same road, they just tend to take the scenic route....

The only true envirmentally friendly vehicle is an electric vehicle, or a sola powered vehicle, somethign that doesnt run on fossil fuels at all.

You're logic is flawed. To do a comparison you have to review fuel used for a given amount of miles. You cannot say car A uses 10 gallons in 100 miles and car B uses 10 gallons in 300 miles, so since they both uses 10 gallons they use the same amount fuel. They did, but car A would have to use 3 times more fuel to go the same mileage. That is why you compare miles per gallon instead of miles per tank. Tanks are different sizes and you could simply put a bigger tank in to bump up the mileage per tank rating. You can’t redefine a mile, it is the common denominator. Now if your argument is their cheaper driving cars influences them to drive 3 times as much, there may be something to that. But now you are moving from a technological discussion to a psychological discussion. Of course we learned that $4+ per gallon sqashes that demand, but you'd need taxes to do that. Let's see the politician ready to lose his job seriously suggest that one.

Electricity is not environmentally hazard free. It can only be produced in enough quantity and consistency with oil, gas, coal and nuclear, none of which are free rides to the environment. Wind & solar are nice but they are inconsistent in production levels and output potential. It gets dark, the wind does not always blow and they actually shut down if the wind is too strong. They are very nice additions to the grid, but not replacement alternatives, not by a long shot.

Then there is battery production and waste management. Lots of nasty stuff in batteries. Who here recycles all their batteries or mercury laden fluorescent lights? And to move everything to electrical, the grid needs to be vastly updated. You are talking major infrastructure changes, which includes economic and environmental impact as well. I read an article on how CA power companies are trying to figure out how to deal with electric cars. IIRC with today’s infrastructure, their current systems could not handle it if 10% of CA drivers changed to electric cars (I actually think the # was less than 10, but I forget now).

[sweetbmxrider]

Lets get one thing straight about these arrogant douches in hybrids, they do NOT burn less fuel, they are only stretching the mileage they are getting out of that tank, if they have 10 gallons in the car, it will burn that 10 gallons, it just takes longer. They are still unloading the amount of carbon dioxide that a standard car does, it just does it over a farther range, so in the end weither you drive a hybrid or non hybrid, you still end up at the same road

they use less fuel which creates less by-product (emissions)

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons and emits 2 lbs of by-product, a non-hybrid will use 10 gallons and emit 5 lbs of by-product. its emitting more no matter how you look at it. simple emissions testing has proven this time and time again.

[Blacdout96]

I guess peopel are just buzzing through my post, not reading it carefully, like I said they are stretching the mileage that they use that fuel. I understand that if car A can do 15 mpg and car B can do 50mpg who will fill up less between a given distance....but what Im saying is no matter how you look at it, when you burn a gallon of gas, you emitt 19lbs. of Co2, there's no gettign around that, that is a fact. and Oil isnt a source that renews itself, once it's gone it's gone.

This isnt ****ing college, I'm not giving an exam and you have to decipher it, I'm just making an example, holy ****ing ****, just take the example and stop picking it apart, admin or not your being a ****ing douche about it.

I do understand your argument about the wind and inconsistent production, but remember, electricity is still in it's infancy as far as technology, production, and longevity goes, but if we make no strides today to advance it tomorrow, then there will come a time when crisis strikes and we will be standing there shrugging our shoulders realizing the **** hit the fan. Just look what has occured in the last 10-15 years. When the EV came out, it didnt have Li batteries, if that technology was available back then, it certainly would of started an advancement on mass production of EV's ( albait it wouldnt of halted America's thirst for overly sized, gas guzzling **** boxes), hell 15 years later and were FINALLY starting to see production, not in mass quantity for the average joe, but it's better then nothing. Electric is the way, it will take time, and as time continues, it will be more refined, and more consistant, just like the gas motor, it took a century to make it refined. In 1908, Mercedes ( Not Mercdes Benz, at that time, Benz was their own company) produced a 12.78 litre 4 cylinder producing a whopping 140 hp! Today there's 1.5 litre cars producing the same thing, and I'm sure, are getting better gas mileage. Only now in the past 30 years have we realized how expensive, and how enviromentally hazardous dealing with fossil fuels ( I'm sure batteries arent exactly safe as well) But give it time, when new technology, procedures, and better compounds and materials used, and it will kill the gas engine. As sadden as I am because that also means taht my love for vintage cars will also be gone, sometimes we have to give up what we hold most dear to become better off in the long run.

[BonzoHansen]

This isnt ****ing college, I'm not giving an exam and you have to decipher it, I'm just making an example, holy ****ing ****, just take the example and stop picking it apart, admin or not your being a ****ing douche about it..Ah, again with your typical name calling when someone dares to even disagree with you. Sweet. When are you going to learn to discuss things without resorting to childish name calling?



In fact I did read it and even mentioned “Now if your argument is their cheaper driving cars influences them to drive 3 times as much, there may be something to that. But now you are moving from a technological discussion to a psychological discussion”, and even offered up the cost of gas and so forth. I just think that is a red herring in the discussion

I agree with needing to let it develop, we absolutely do. We killed R&D on nukes and now we are decades behind where we could be because of it. And the environmental and NIMBYs killed that. And they already have with wind & solar projects.

[Blacdout96]

they use less fuel which creates less by-product (emissions)

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons and emits 2 lbs of by-product, a non-hybrid will use 10 gallons and emit 5 lbs of by-product. its emitting more no matter how you look at it. simple emissions testing has proven this time and time again.

You must be a fan of George Carlin or something, cause thats a pretty good joke right there

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it will emit 190lbs. of Co2, if a non hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it'll use....ready?....190lbs. of Co2.

[BonzoHansen]

You must be a fan of George Carlin or something, cause thats a pretty good joke right there

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it will emit 190lbs. of Co2, if a non hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it'll use....ready?....190lbs. of Co2.

per gallon, yes. (assuming your 190 value is correct)

[WildBillyT]

I have always found it interesting how many hybrid drivers bought one because they drive so many highway miles to work.

[Blacdout96]

I agree with needing to let it develop, we absolutely do. We killed R&D on nukes and now we are decades behind where we could be because of it. And the environmental and NIMBYs killed that. And they already have with wind & solar projects.

Exactly, Europe is advancing very rapidly with wind technology, America.....well, the East coast is just getting around to it. There's alot of work to be done.

Im the only person at work that recycles, I haveto dig through the cans here and take stuff home. I tried to get these guys to , but they are just as ignorant as the majority of peopel are to recycling, unlike taiwan where that **** is like clockwork there, and they are very efficient with their recycling.

I think another selling pouint of the prius is their price. I think they are what 22K for one new right now, as to where the volt will be 40K ( not even full electric) and the Tesla Roadster at 6 figure, the fisker, is I think 60K.....who really wants to pay that price for a vehicle with limited range, and if you do drain the battery, its not like you can go to a gas station and fill your car up with electricity.....so theres alot to work with, Toyota is in the right path, but I think Prius's get more credit then is due to them.

[BonzoHansen]

^^you can't fix stupid. I recycle everything i can.

I have always found it interesting how many hybrid drivers bought one because they drive so many highway miles to work.

that is because they do not understand MPG. Which is a direct correlation to carbon emissions as well.

[Blacdout96]

I have always found it interesting how many hybrid drivers bought one because they drive so many highway miles to work.

the funny thing is they get better mileage in the city than Highway :rofl: and are they really savign gas when they zip by you at 80mph/ ( I dont know if that happened to any of you northerners, but down here, man they fly like no tomorrow down the parkway)

[WildBillyT]

the funny thing is they get better mileage in the city than Highway :rofl: and are they really savign gas when they zip by you at 80mph/ ( I dont know if that happened to any of you northerners, but down here, man they fly like no tomorrow down the parkway)

That is my point. They shoulda gone diesel. :D

Plus, I have always thought that buying a new car every 2-4 years like a lot of people do is way worse for the environment...

[sweetbmxrider]

You must be a fan of George Carlin or something, cause thats a pretty good joke right there

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it will emit 190lbs. of Co2, if a non hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it'll use....ready?....190lbs. of Co2.

no dude, they are low emissions vehicles and the like that actually emit LESS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1

go tailpipe a car from 1980 and go grab a civic or something from a dealer and do the same. report your findings here.

[BonzoHansen]

no dude, they are low emissions vehicles and the like that actually emit LESS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1

go tailpipe a car from 1980 and go grab a civic or something from a dealer and do the same. report your findings here.

you have brought another variable into the discussion. I believe BO is talking about carbon, while you have brought all the other fun gasses into the mix. Where I sit the emissions you bring up are more important *cough* but I also don't buy into the whole carbon warming thing.

[Blacdout96]

no dude, they are low emissions vehicles and the like that actually emit LESS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1

go tailpipe a car from 1980 and go grab a civic or something from a dealer and do the same. report your findings here.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml

[Blacdout96]

you have brought another variable into the discussion. I believe BO is talking about carbon.


Are you saying I have Bad Odor? ;)

while you have brought all the other fun gasses into the mix. Where I sit the emissions you bring up are more important *cough* but I also don't buy into the whole carbon warming thing.

It also emits acids, still, but lower then back in the day, amount of Carbon Dioxide, etc...I dont deny that, but the main focus with cars is their carbon emissions. We may be helping this warming thing by about 1%, but there are other factors into it taht play a more major role, like oh say, the natural climate change the earth has gone through for millions of years, so I guess I do, and I don't, I just don't think its causing it as badly as everyone is crying about. Remember when people rallied cause of CFC's and that the Ozone is gone....havent heard about that in a while, maybe cause the Ozone has fixed itself already, and peopel need something else to swing their nuts at till people and the government crack down on more crap.

I must say this topic may have gone off course, but I do think the conversation is strong, and full of good points, and win :)

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah as bonzo stated, not just specifically talking about carbon in my posts. haven't really read all the others so i guess i'm out of the loop.

[Blacdout96]

So now the new question is, how will Toyota try to rally itself back into the positives?

I think they will be hurting for a while, their sucess was their own, but small demise.

IMO, bring out that FT86....although with seeing the Subaru visuals.....id rather getteh Subaru one hands down over the FT86, and for god's sake, get rid of Scion. I know they want to bring the FT86 out on that platform, but keep it under Toyota. they have a no haggle pricing deals with the Scion's ( Toyota dealerships actually have to sign a contract saying they cannot do that ) but even when a base Scion tC is like 16K, and is targeted toward younger generation....when a Yaris is 12K base, I'd much rather see my kid in that thing then a Scion.

[sweetbmxrider]

apparently they are jumping on the v8 bandwagon :lol:

[BigRocsFirebird]

You're logic is flawed. To do a comparison you have to review fuel used for a given amount of miles. You cannot say car A uses 10 gallons in 100 miles and car B uses 10 gallons in 300 miles, so since they both uses 10 gallons they use the same amount fuel. They did, but car A would have to use 3 times more fuel to go the same mileage. That is why you compare miles per gallon instead of miles per tank. Tanks are different sizes and you could simply put a bigger tank in to bump up the mileage per tank rating. You can’t redefine a mile, it is the common denominator. Now if your argument is their cheaper driving cars influences them to drive 3 times as much, there may be something to that. But now you are moving from a technological discussion to a psychological discussion. Of course we learned that $4+ per gallon sqashes that demand, but you'd need taxes to do that. Let's see the politician ready to lose his job seriously suggest that one.

Electricity is not environmentally hazard free. It can only be produced in enough quantity and consistency with oil, gas, coal and nuclear, none of which are free rides to the environment. Wind & solar are nice but they are inconsistent in production levels and output potential. It gets dark, the wind does not always blow and they actually shut down if the wind is too strong. They are very nice additions to the grid, but not replacement alternatives, not by a long shot.

Then there is battery production and waste management. Lots of nasty stuff in batteries. Who here recycles all their batteries or mercury laden fluorescent lights? And to move everything to electrical, the grid needs to be vastly updated. You are talking major infrastructure changes, which includes economic and environmental impact as well. I read an article on how CA power companies are trying to figure out how to deal with electric cars. IIRC with today’s infrastructure, their current systems could not handle it if 10% of CA drivers changed to electric cars (I actually think the # was less than 10, but I forget now).

what the hell is this bonzo... i type a small reply and then you go and make some big ass huge elaborate book that makes mine look like crap. thanks bud:lol:

[WildBillyT]

So now the new question is, how will Toyota try to rally itself back into the positives?



Quit the shady ******** Asian business practices and join the global economy in the right way. And that is speaking from experience. 95% of consumers have no idea.

[BonzoHansen]

what the hell is this bonzo... i type a small reply and then you go and make some big ass huge elaborate book that makes mine look like crap. thanks bud:lol:

I thought it was interesting while I ate my morning apple. :-P

[qwikz28]

Quit the shady ******** Asian business practices and join the global economy in the right way. And that is speaking from experience. 95% of consumers have no idea.

Actually, with the super strong Yen, they are really hurting already.