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JL8Jeff

12-13-2010, 11:55 PM

Looks like it could happen. I would love to start seeing some of these top notch players going to teams they want to play for at a decent salary and not crazy numbers. Obviously I would be thrilled to see Lee end up back up in Philly since he fit in so well. But I'd also like to see players pick a team they fit in with and can gel with to make a winning team no matter what sport or what town. Werth was a great fit in Philly so I'm surprised he went somewhere else but the money was ridiculous. It sounds like Lee might end up in Philly so I'm keeping my fingers crossed! :nod:

BigAls87Z28

12-13-2010, 11:59 PM

Still wont be able to beat San Fran....

coolmanvette75

12-14-2010, 05:42 AM

Well, it happened...

Frosty

12-14-2010, 06:53 AM

Still wont be able to beat San Fran....

:rolleyes: The Giants got hot at the right time, they're not that great of a team.

I think the Yankees need to worry about Boston.

So suck on it Yankees fans, proof that $$$ isn't everything.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 07:41 AM

philly radio was comparing this rotation to the braves big rotation of the 90s. which the yanks beat twice. Just saying.

IMO the offer the yanks made was too long. Just like arod's and crawford's deal, and werth too. this will force the yanks to come up with a real plan, not overpay to sign a 33 year old guy who went 3-2 in the playoffs last year.

Frosty

12-14-2010, 07:45 AM

philly radio was comparing this rotation to the braves big rotation of the 90s. which the yanks beat twice. Just saying.

Yeah because the 90's and today have so much in common...but hey if that helps you sleep at night keep thinking what the Braves had as a rotation in 90's has any bearing on today :rofl::rofl::rofl::moon::moon::moon:

Baseball is still out of control with these salaries....the $$$ being thrown around is just insane. Out of them all you could make the argument that Lee deserved it(generally speaking), but the deals Werth and Crawford got are just ridiculous.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 07:51 AM

Compare it to whatever you want to.. We all know how Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, and Lee pitch, and They all have World Series exsperience. Doesnt Lee Dominate the Yanks? Its a very good day in Philly..

Frosty

12-14-2010, 07:56 AM

They still need bullpen help IMO....

But with R2C2 as the starting 4.....it's a beautiful thing.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 07:59 AM

They still need bullpen help IMO....

But with R2C2 as the starting 4.....it's a beautiful thing.

Trade Blanton to a team that needs starting pitching for some bullpen help.. Blanton is a good 4-5 starter and could be somebodies 3rd starter. He has Playoff and World series exsperience and could help out a team.

Frosty

12-14-2010, 08:03 AM

That would free up some cash too, I think he makes 7 mil this year...or 7.8...something ridiculous.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 08:04 AM

Yeah because the 90's and today have so much in common...but hey if that helps you sleep at night keep thinking what the Braves had as a rotation in 90's has any bearing on today :rofl::rofl::rofl::moon::moon::moon:.
Sure it does, did the rules suddenly change? It just proves it is no guarantee. The braves had how many cy youngs between them, 6 or 7? they were pretty good. Then again pitching in the NL is easier.

Oh, and I sleep fine, my 10 year old has seen more Yankee championships than the phils have ever had,. But thanks for worrying. lol

Compare it to whatever you want to.. We all know how Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, and Lee pitch, and They all have World Series exsperience. Doesnt Lee Dominate the Yanks? Its a very good day in Philly.. See, even better news for the yanks, now we don’t have to face him unless we make the series. Too bad Lee couldn’t dominate the Giants. Whoops.

Enjoy your new staff, it is very awesome. Don’t worry so much about the yanks, they will be fine. The phils got him for a the ‘right’ price, what the yanks offered was bad and I’m glad they didn’t get held up with another bad contract.
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From where I sit the rays got worse, the angel did not get better, the twins did not get better and might still lose pavano and the rangers got worse. Only the red sox got better, and maybe the white sox. The bosox got better more because of the new 1b than Crawford, which they need because their staff is probably still not as good and the yanks’ current staff. So it’s not at all doom & gloom in the Bronx. Flushing ny, well, they still suck. I think we can all agree on that.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 08:06 AM

Trade Blanton to a team that needs starting pitching for some bullpen help.. Blanton is a good 4-5 starter and could be somebodies 3rd starter. He has Playoff and World series exsperience and could help out a team.

I would do that and bring back moyer (really).

Frosty

12-14-2010, 08:09 AM

Sure it does, did the rules suddenly change? It just proves it is no guarantee. The braves had how many cy youngs between them, 6 or 7? they were pretty good. Then again pitching in the NL is easier.

Oh, and I sleep fine, my 10 year old has seen more Yankee championships than the phils have ever had,. But thanks for worrying. lol

Nothing is a guarantee, you're absolutely right. However this makes them, again, the favorite to win the NL regardless of what happened last year. They still need bullpen help and still need to figure out what to do with replacing Werth, I think Franscisco will start but we'll see.

Then again it doesn't matter if Howard and Utley play like ass like they did this past post season.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 08:13 AM

Oh, and I sleep fine, my 10 year old has seen more Yankee championships than the phils have ever had,. But thanks for worrying. lol.

Your 10 yr old has seen 1 championship from the Yanks.. Correct me if I am wrong but from 2000-2010 they only won in 2009.. So How can that be true if the Yanks and the Phills both have only won 1 in the last decade?

You also sound a little dissapointed that Lee did not sign with NY. Just shows you that even some of the best Players in the game who are offered the biggest contracts will play elsewere just because they do not want to play for that team in NY. How many big name free agents signed with the Yanks so far? Jeter? How about Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth?

I would do that and bring back moyer (really).

If he is ready to play then for sure. I love having Moyer on my team. He led the team in wins last year before the all star break then got hurt. He is a great person to learn from and if I wanted to have a long carreer he is the one that I would be hanging out with to find out how..

JL8Jeff

12-14-2010, 08:25 AM

Phils pitching rotation looks great now. Hopefully they don't turn out to be the Dallas Cowboys this year. :lol: And I don't think I would want to compare any pitching in today's hitters stadiums to any past era's.

greenformula92

12-14-2010, 08:43 AM

IMO the offer the yanks made was too long.

the offer had to be that long because of crawford primarily. because lee and crawford are considered to the of the same caiber the offer had to be comparible, lee went to philly cause he enjoyed his time there and he wanted to stay to begin with

BigAls87Z28

12-14-2010, 09:07 AM

SF is the one team that always seem to give Philly a challenge.
Boston is a tough team every year. Not worried.

Frosty

12-14-2010, 10:04 AM

EPIC!

LS1Hawk

12-14-2010, 10:08 AM

Your 10 yr old has seen 1 championship from the Yanks.. Correct me if I am wrong but from 2000-2010 they only won in 2009.

They won in 2000.

The Phils now have 3 starting pitchers nearing their mid-30s. In 2-3 years how's that rotation going to be? Philly isn't doing anything different that the Yankees did in the '08 offseason. They are bringing in talent to try and win now.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 10:12 AM

Then again it doesn't matter if Howard and Utley play like ass like they did this past post season.

Phils pitching rotation looks great now. Hopefully they don't turn out to be the Dallas Cowboys this year.

That was kind of my point. Hey, the phils are the class of the NL, even before this. Go back and read my posts at playoff time, I said that and I said the Phils were the team I feared the most if the Yanks got to the WS.

Your 10 yr old has seen 1 championship from the Yanks.. Correct me if I am wrong but from 2000-2010 they only won in 2009.. So How can that be true if the Yanks and the Phills both have only won 1 in the last decade?2-2 in his lifetime.

2000 Beat the Mets
2001 lost to AZ
2003 lost to FL
2009 Beat Philadelphia

You also sound a little dissapointed that Lee did not sign with NY. Just shows you that even some of the best Players in the game who are offered the biggest contracts will play elsewere just because they do not want to play for that team in NY. How many big name free agents signed with the Yanks so far? Jeter? How about Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth?

Nope, go read I even said that contract was too long and why IMO it is not that big a deal in the bigger picture – the fact he is out of the AL makes this very palatable to me. I watched the yanks build for the long term in the 90s and I like it that way. I hate straddling the team with a giambi/arod like stupid contract.

Nice stretch to bring up Crawford & Werth. The yanks made no effort at all to sign not-werth-it so who cares there, he’s just decent mid-level player at best (.296/27/85) and the Yanks already have nick swisher (.288/29/89) in that role. And they said they had no real interest in Carl Crawford either, that was just gamesmanship, just like the red sox talking to lee. The sox also gave too much $$ and more importantly too much time to Crawford. His whole game is speed and speed dwindles after 32 or so. Making a guy the highest paid OF in baseball whose HR high is 19 is dumb where I stand. I never lose sleep about hitters, there is always one available somewhere, and the Yanks led baseball in offense last year so it’s not like they needed a big bat. I predect Crawford will be the Carlos Beltran of Boston.

The Phils now have 3 starting pitchers nearing their mid-30s. In 2-3 years how's that rotation going to be? Philly isn't doing anything different that the Yankees did in the '08 offseason. They are bringing in talent to try and win now.I agree.

And Jeter was, is and always will be better than Jimmy Rollins. :p

I just like watching phils fans being more worried about how the yankee fans feel than being happy about then being the best team in the NL bar none. But they were last year too and that didn’t work so well, a fail just like the Yanks.

Mike

12-14-2010, 10:35 AM

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 10:51 AM

yanks will pick up grinke as a consolation prize, and be just fine...

that could be great or fail big. he may have a psyche more fragile than that of philly fans lol. although I am reading the yanks may not have what the royals want because they have top prospects in the same places as the yanks top prospects (both have big catcher prospects, etc)

Mike

12-14-2010, 11:02 AM

the yanks are talking about trading major league talent, ie. either granderson or swisher, this would get the deal done and free up a spot for the young home grown outfielders they have waiting in the wings....

Mike

12-14-2010, 11:04 AM

russel martin is also a big pickup, as they had horrible play from their dh's and their DEFENSIVE catching last season.

LS1Hawk

12-14-2010, 11:08 AM

lee might have a good career record vs the yanks, but halladay doesnt... and lee and hamels were both on the world series team that lost to the yanks...

yanks will pick up grinke as a consolation prize, and be just fine...

Honestly, I would take a fungo bat over Cliff Lee. He's very hittable and has had a history of injuries. His ERA in the World Series was 6.94 against a team that could not hit. The Phils may have just acquired a pitcher that's starting to tail off.

I'm not sure if I'd want Greinke either. Last season he was not impressive, and he was basically pitching with the same team behind him from his Cy Young season.

russel martin is also a big pickup, as they had horrible play from their dh's and their DEFENSIVE catching last season.

Yankees now have A LOT of depth at the catcher position. They can easily go out and get a good pitcher. I wouldn't be surprised to see Montero get traded for a really good arm before the season starts.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 12:30 PM

Thats right Lee is past his prime. He is what 32? Its all good. We dont have to face Lee, Halladay, Hamels, or Oswalt and they are 4 of the best pitchers in baseball. Thats fine with me. Maybe Lee could get some help or tips from Andy Petite or Roger Clemons on how to prolong his carreer and still be a great pitcher.. They were both Yankees and I assume won alot so there must be a secret?

LS1Hawk

12-14-2010, 12:50 PM

I said he could be starting to tail off. It made no sense for the Yankees to invest 7-8 years in a pitcher that's 32. Hamels and Oswalt don't strike fear into batters the way Halladay or Lee do. Both haven't been that great since '08. Although Hamels could still be coming into his own as he's only been in the league 5 seasons. I don't think there is a real big secret to Clemens or Pettitte. The 'roids are really what kept Clemens playing, and Pettitte has been able to adjust his mechanics to remain a decent pitcher since coming off them.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 01:03 PM

Now imagine being a Texas Rangers fan (*cough*cough*cbr*cough*cough*). He turned down more $$ from Texas too.

BigAls87Z28

12-14-2010, 01:18 PM

I think philly fans should just be happy that they got him over NYY but it could backfire big time.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 01:32 PM

These are last years stats for the Phillies pitching staff..

Halladay had a 2.44 ERA, 9 complete games, 250 innings, 219 SO, 33 walks

Oswalt had a 2.76 ERA, 2 complete games, 211 innings, 193 SO, 55 walks

Hamels had a 3.06 ERA, 1 complete game, 208 innings, 211 SO, 61 walks

Kendrick had a 4.73 ERA, 1 Complete game, 180 innings, 84 SO, 49 walks

Blanton had a 4.82 ERA, 0 Complete games, 175 innings, 134 SO, 43 walks

Now add Cliff Lee into the mix..

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 01:35 PM

I think philly fans should just be happy that they got him over NYY but it could backfire big time.

I think the NYY fans should wonder why he didnt want to play for the Yankees for more money and more years? If thats baseball heaven then why play for the Phillies for less money and less years?

Frosty

12-14-2010, 01:39 PM

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/12/r2c2-elfd.html :rofl:

Al, any long, expensive deal can backfire....look at the Giants with Zito.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 01:43 PM

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/12/r2c2-elfd.html :rofl:

Al, any long, expensive deal can backfire....look at the Giants with Zito.

That is great.. Can you believe this Tony? I still cant believe it..

Frosty

12-14-2010, 01:47 PM

I'm in shock and excited but the big bats still need to hit next year.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 02:32 PM

I think the NYY fans should wonder why he didnt want to play for the Yankees for more money and more years? If thats baseball heaven then why play for the Phillies for less money and less years?Fixate much? Lol So he did not want to play in NY. That is his prerogative. It appears he did not want to play in Texas either given he turned down more money from them too. Plenty of people have walked past NY and Philly for that matter. Greg Maddox comes immediately to mind. I think he spurned both teams at one time or another, I know he turned down NY prior to signing with Atlanta. I know Glavin turned down Philly when he left Atlanta.

baddest434

12-14-2010, 02:33 PM

:w00t: :w00t: for the phillies. that is 1 hell of a starting pitching staff they have now. but they have won anything yet. i think lee is at his best against the yankees. alot of other teams have no problem with him. ask S.F. see ya in october :mrgreen:

Frosty

12-14-2010, 03:13 PM

Fixate much?

The NY brass has the attitude that they're NY, they can buy and sell anyone and that everyone dreams of playing there. Maybe some of that is true but throwing ridiculous $$ at someone didn't work. I love how the media up in NY is spinning it too saying how the Yankees didn't really want Lee and that Lee made a mistake because the Phillies are old....yeah because the Yankees are all spring chickens. :rofl:

baddest434

12-14-2010, 03:27 PM

hell this yankee fan wanted him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe if the douche bag fans didn't spit on his wife during that game last year. bet his wife made his mind up for him:lol:

Mike

12-14-2010, 03:27 PM

FOR THE LAST TIME. THE PHILLIES ARE PAYING HIM MORE PER YEAR. and if he meets all vesting options the final dollar amount will be THE SAME as the yankees offer...

STOP SAYING HE TOOK LESS MONEY

Blacdout96

12-14-2010, 03:38 PM

Nothing like playing for a team in Philly. The best fans, willing to back up their teams using fists, and the occasional broken bottle ( or cold preztel from the guy with the shopping cart in the parking lot, saying they are fresh, yet it's about 40 degrees out) The rich history, and above all, the fact knowing if you win a championship ( if is key word) You worked for it and earned it, not bought it. :D

/stirs pot

Mike

12-14-2010, 03:48 PM

Blacdout96

12-14-2010, 03:52 PM

I don't care about payroll when it comes to the whole team, but when you pay one dude, not a whole team, just one dude 1/4 of a billion, yes with a b, no, not a typo, sorry, but you have too much money.

Mike

12-14-2010, 04:06 PM

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 04:45 PM

The a-rod contract sucks and it is all the work of the Yankees now once he opted out.

I guess that as of last May Ryan Howard had the second-highest annual salary in baseball is irrelevant, huh?

Mike

12-14-2010, 05:05 PM

The a-rod contract sucks and it is all the work of the Yankees now once he opted out.

I guess that as of last May Ryan Howard had the second-highest annual salary in baseball is irrelevant, huh?

it is not all the work of the yankees, there is no logical way they could have offered less. the texas contract started a domino effect then arod winning the mvp on his opt out year kept the dominos falling

NastyEllEssWon

12-14-2010, 07:08 PM

lol god i love to watch yankee fans cry and make claims before and after being spurned. its fantastic. i love how 90 percent of fans were touting how they were gonna have the best rotation in baseball after they sign lee....now he's an over the hill bum thats past his prime and wasnt worth the money they were throwing at him. :lol:

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 07:45 PM

where is the crying? who said they were going to have the best rotation ever? why are you making things up?

baddest434

12-14-2010, 08:04 PM

where is the crying? who said they were going to have the best rotation ever? why are you making things up?

yeah why? :lol:

and don't forget we still have burnett :wink:

yes that was*sarcasm*

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 08:10 PM

Let's look at some of the great staffs of history. First is one that Bill remembers all too well

1954 Cleveland Indians
111-43 (yes, 111 wins)
93 wins between their regular starters

W L ERA
Early Wynn 23 11 2.73
Mike Garcia 19 8 2.64
Bob Lemon 23 7 2.72
Art Houtteman 15 7 3.35
Bob Feller 13 3 3.09

Lost World Series (4-0) to New York Giants

When your team piles up 111 wins, it's inevitable that the starters are going to pile up impressive W-L records. But the wins were deserved: Garcia, Lemon, and Wynn finished 1-3-4 in the league ERA standings, and 1-3-4 in adjusted ERA+. Lemon was first and Wynn third in complete games, and Garcia tied for the AL lead with five shutouts. Their combined ERA was 2.86, compared to a league average of 3.72.

This was an old staff, with an average age of 32, but who wouldn't take an older staff with three future Hall of Famers (Wynn, Lemon and Feller)? The starters got hammered when the Giants swept them in the World Series, but with the Indians' hitters mustering only nine runs, even their best efforts might have been doomed.

NastyEllEssWon

12-14-2010, 08:10 PM

where is the crying? who said they were going to have the best rotation ever? why are you making things up?

once again self centered bonzo thinks he's the only yankee fan in the world :rofl:

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 08:15 PM

The Phillies won the World Series in 2008 with not that big of a payroll if I remember correctly.

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 08:19 PM

once again self centered bonzo thinks he's the only yankee fan in the world :rofl:

Well there are a number of Yankee fans in this thread and no one agrees with you. So you are wrong again, as usual. At least I'm not making things up.

The Phillies won the World Series in 2008 with not that big of a payroll if I remember correctly.

Correct, that was a great team.

BigAls87Z28

12-14-2010, 08:31 PM

You could say that the late 90's Yankees were a much better team then the current squad, and they weren't filled this mega-buck guys.

Lee is a good pitcher, and he would have helped the Yanks line up. I dont think that bringing him in for 7 years was a great idea, and throwing millions of dollars away.
Lee dominated the Yankees, but he was torn apart by SF, a team with poor bats.
SF also dominated Doc. Now, considering that SF has retained all the big names, and are looking to bring in some bats, its very possible that they could see Philly again in the playoffs.
Before you get to see the Yankees in the post season, you will probably have to see SF.

Mike

12-14-2010, 08:33 PM

The Phillies won the World Series in 2008 with not that big of a payroll if I remember correctly.

by not that big you mean second biggest in the nl and 5th overall...

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 08:41 PM

Another great rotation. I bet a lot of Philly fans are thinking about this accomplishment, and with good reason. But...

1971 Baltimore Orioles
101-57
4 20-game winners :shock:

W L ERA
Mike Cuellar 20 9 3.08
Pat Dobson 20 8 2.90
Jim Palmer 20 9 2.68
Dave McNally 21 5 2.89

Lost World Series (4-3) to Pittsburgh Pirates

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 08:45 PM

by not that big you mean second biggest in the nl and 5th overall...

In 2008?

http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/08teamsalaries.htm
Baseball Total and Average Payrolls, 2008 (OPENING DAY)
Team Total payroll Average salary
Yankees $209,081,579 $6,744,567
Tigers $138,685,197 $4,622,840
Mets $138,293,378 $4,609,779
Red Sox $133,440,037 $4,765,716
White Sox $121,152,667 $4,487,136
Angels $119,216,333 $4,110,908
Cubs $118,595,833 $4,392,438
Dodgers $118,536,038 $4,233,430
Mariners $117,993,982 $4,538,230
Braves $102,424,018 $3,414,134
Cardinals $100,624,450 $3,049,226
Blue Jays $98,641,957 $3,522,927
Phillies $98,269,881 $3,388,617

Now, 2010 sees movement up the charts

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries/teams
2010 Team Payrolls
No. Team Payroll Average
1. New York Yankees $206,333,389 $8,253,336
2. Boston Red Sox $162,747,333 $5,611,977
3. Chicago Cubs $146,859,000 $5,439,222
4. Philadelphia Phillies $141,927,381 $5,068,835

I applaud the Phils for putting the $$ people spend on their team back into the team. But I think the payroll conversation is getting old.

LTb1ow

12-14-2010, 08:55 PM

Its football season, baseball is lame even when in season.

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 09:18 PM

Its football season, baseball is lame even when in season.

Football was cool when you could actually hit people. Now its becoming a little bit less of a bad ass sport. Every week there are stupid calls and stupid fines..

Slow-V6

12-14-2010, 09:19 PM

Before you get to see the Yankees in the post season, you will probably have to see SF.

Before the Yanks get to see the Phills in the post season you guys have to get past the Rangers 1st Who you know got beat by SF as well...

BonzoHansen

12-14-2010, 09:28 PM

rangers got weaker

BigAls87Z28

12-14-2010, 10:21 PM

Before the Yanks get to see the Phills in the post season you guys have to get past the Rangers 1st Who you know got beat by SF as well...

Rangers lost the main guy that kept the Yanks bats silent for 2 games.
Doesn't help that the Yanks were playing like 12 year olds for the last month of the season. Totally different team then a year ago at that point.

Slow-V6

12-16-2010, 08:13 PM

Cliff Lees discussion with Jason Werth after Lee signed with the Phillies..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPxJPE

Frosty

12-17-2010, 06:13 AM

Before the Yanks get to see the Phills in the post season you guys have to get past the Rangers 1st Who you know got beat by SF as well...

I'd be more worried about the Red Sox if I was a Yankees fan(and I thank God every day I'm not :rofl: )

greenformula92

12-17-2010, 07:53 AM

that could be great or fail big. he may have a psyche more fragile than that of philly fans lol. although I am reading the yanks may not have what the royals want because they have top prospects in the same places as the yanks top prospects (both have big catcher prospects, etc)

it won't happen, Grienke has a no trade clause, so he has to agree to where the royals want to trade him, now he has agreed to be traded however, he doesn't want to go to: New York, Boston, Philly, or pretty much anytime with a big stage, if you disagree with me call Francesca this afternoon and get screamed at lol....it will be funny....he has had serious mental issues in the past.....Grienke will not go to new york, and KC's price for him is very, very high

BonzoHansen

12-17-2010, 03:38 PM

I don't think at all it would happen but grienke said hed waive the no trade to ny

BigAls87Z28

12-17-2010, 05:25 PM

CC also said no way to NYY.

Slow-V6

12-17-2010, 05:48 PM

CC also said no way to NYY.

NYY can buy pretty much anyone except for Cliff Lee of course..

BonzoHansen

12-17-2010, 06:34 PM

NYY can buy pretty much anyone except for Cliff Lee of course..

said the fan of what appears to be the #1 payroll in the NL for 2011, and quite possibly the #3 payroll in MLB. feel free to climb off the payroll whiner wagon, it's not like you are a kc royal fan. payroll comments ring a bit hollow.

There have been a number of players say no to NY and Philly. Not real big news. good for CL for going where he wanted to go. as he said it had nothing to do with ny or not wanting to be there, it had everything to do with his past experience with charlie manual & philly.

BigAls87Z28

12-18-2010, 12:06 AM

All this payroll talk reminds me of Red Sox fans. Bitter bastards.

Slow-V6

12-18-2010, 10:14 AM

All this payroll talk reminds me of Red Sox fans. Bitter bastards.

Yeah no ****.. Them Yankee fans do sound bitter..

Frosty

12-18-2010, 11:33 AM

Yeah no ****.. Them Yankee fans do sound bitter..

Nah, they're OK with it. According to the media up there they didn't REALLY want Lee....:rofl:

I can't wait until April, I just hope the Phillies bats don't continue their slump from last year or it's going to be an epic fail this year with the pitching staff we have. Anything less than a ring is complete failure.

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 01:31 PM

Anything less than a ring is complete failure.You get it. Congrats, like it or not you are now the Yankees of the NL. And I will continue to root for both teams except when they play head to head.

Frosty

12-18-2010, 01:36 PM

...and I'll happily agree with that. As much as I hate the Yankees and their scumbag fans they do what it takes to win. The main reason I'm laughing about this Lee deal is because the Yankees and their fans have this arrogance to them that they can just buy whoever they want...that they can just throw money at a player and since it's NY said player will just automatically go there. This time it blew up in their faces....other than that this type of stuff happens all of the time. Players sign with different teams for less money every year.

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 01:42 PM

LOL no arrogant or scumbag philly fans :lol:

baddest434

12-18-2010, 02:19 PM

LOL no arrogant or scumbag philly fans :lol:

:rofl: philidephia fans even threw snowballs at santa :shock:

all fans suck unless their for your team :lol:

Frosty

12-18-2010, 02:40 PM

Nope, we're all classy, respectful top notch fans. ;) :rofl:

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 02:45 PM

:rofl: philidephia fans even threw snowballs at santa :shock:

all fans suck unless their for your team :lol:

don't forget booing mike schmidt until he retired!! :rofl:

Frosty

12-18-2010, 02:47 PM

Wait wait wait, you wouldn't throw snowballs at Santa? Dude breaks into your house in the middle of night, rifles through your stuff then steals your food....he's lucky it was just snowballs. :rofl:

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 02:48 PM

I do disrespect a man that steals cookies.

Frosty

12-18-2010, 02:49 PM

That's what I'm saying....lol

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 02:53 PM

well lookie here, philly fans & yankee fans do have some common ground. our teams actually reinvest in the team, we disrespect cookie thieves, and we both hate the Mets. It's a festivus miracle!

Frosty

12-18-2010, 02:55 PM

:insert camp fire:

Kumbaya my lord, Kumbaya :rofl:

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 03:27 PM

http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Camp%20Fire%20Smiley.gif

Kumbaya my lord, Kumbaya :rofl:

done

Frosty

12-18-2010, 03:27 PM

bwhahahahaha

Slow-V6

12-18-2010, 04:12 PM

One thing that philly and Ny fans have in common is the hatred for them Cowboys...

BigAls87Z28

12-18-2010, 04:35 PM

I love the Cowboys.

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 05:21 PM

One thing that philly and Ny fans have in common is the hatred for them Cowboys...

i hate the cowboys.

NastyEllEssWon

12-18-2010, 05:24 PM

I love the Cowboys.

lol thats the sign of a front runner. let me guess....yankees, cowboys, devils and bulls??? :lol:

BonzoHansen

12-18-2010, 05:26 PM

lol thats the sign of a front runner. let me guess....yankees, cowboys, devils and bulls??? :lol:

devils? not anymore!!

Frosty

12-18-2010, 08:34 PM

lol thats the sign of a front runner. let me guess....yankees, cowboys, devils and bulls??? :lol:

lol@the Devils...their fall from grace makes Jesus smile. Garbage team.

LS1Hawk

12-19-2010, 07:24 AM

The main reason I'm laughing about this Lee deal is because the Yankees and their fans have this arrogance to them that they can just buy whoever they want...that they can just throw money at a player and since it's NY said player will just automatically go there.

That is not necessarily true. If you remember the Yankees from '82 - '93, they were not really throwing money around at big players. They sucked, never finished in first place and did not make the playoffs either. (Not counting '94 when they were in first because the season ended due to strike.)

The biggest free agent player they had over that time was Winfield, and they got him in '81. It's like the only line you ever hear from Yankees haters is that they just buy championships and talent. They didn't really start flashing the dough again until they went after Giambi in '02. Those teams from '94/95 - '01 were a lot of homegrown talent and decent veterans (many who they got through trades: Tino, Knoblauch, O'Neil, Brosius, etc.) that knew how to play together.

BonzoHansen

12-19-2010, 09:16 AM

That is not necessarily true. If you remember the Yankees from '82 - '93, they were not really throwing money around at big players. They sucked, never finished in first place and did not make the playoffs either. (Not counting '94 when they were in first because the season ended due to strike.) .May I remind you of some of the notables, like Steve Kemp (terrible), Don Baylor (good but traded away to the red sox for mike easler), Dave Collins (terrible), Ed Whitson (terrible X5), Steve Sax (decent), Andy Hawkins (he threw a no-hitter and lost 4-0), and the last and perhaps worst signing of the era, Danny Tartabull, who after the 95 season when they unloaded him boldly predicted the 96 Yankees would suck. Whoops.

Snap, I just learned Bo Jackson was drafted as a high schooler by the Yankees in the 1982 2nd round, but did not sign. Wow, how that might have changed some history. Bo Jackson was a great baseball player. If he never played football he'd be in the MLB HOF. They also drafted NFL greats John Elway, Deion Sanders and Drew Henson (haha).