Blacdout96
01-05-2011, 09:45 AM
Just catching up on some reading at work since our internet was down for a little while.
Anyways, just read that late last month China somewhat allowed the world to see the fifth generation fighter they've been working on. It's only done high speed taxi runs, but they say in the coming months, maybe even by the end of this month they will have it officially take flight.
Here's my problem with this situation right now. Does anybody know what the YF23 is? It was the jet competing against the F-22 for the contract to be te next generation stealth fighter, and although it displayed impressive results, the Raptor got picked. And what did Mcdonell Douglas do with the super computer, data, and plans of the YF23? They sold it to China....way to give them a jumpstart on allowing them to build up their ability for stealth fighters :rollseye: Now not 100% of it is because of Douglas, they say when the project for the J-20 was announce, Lockheed Martin was seriously hit for a while with email and computer hacking, with alot of them containing information on the development of the F-22, since they are still trying to correct some problems, like ejection seat pieces rusting.
Now Russia has the T50 prototype in testing as well, and unlike America, they are going to sell this to other countries, they believe around 1,000 will be produced, compared to the F-22 wit less then 200 made. Why is this a problem? Two reasons, strength in numbers. China says they may be able to build the J-20 as cheap as 50%-70% less then it takes to manufacture the F-22. ( I will say though you get what you pay for, the J-20 is using Russian engines, China can't seem to build a reliable engine that can create enough thrust to be comeptative lol.) And that this technology and fighter may be passed on to North Korea, as well as Iran.
Unfortunately this administration in Washington dropped the ball on this one (and rarely have I had much beef with the Obama administration so far) by ending the production of the F-22, having Robert Gates back it up by saying that China won't have a stealth fighter in the line up by 2020....but they are 9 years ahead of the date ( which comes back to Douglas selling the stuff to China, otherwise the statement may have been true) and not allowing it to be purchased by other countries, ones who were seriously interested like South Korea, India, Taiwan (who desperatly need new fighters, and now ones capable of handling this new type of craft) etc. Taiwan alone wanted to give us 6bil. in military hardware and supplies( America is draggin their feet on that since China has such an influence on America) And I'm sure they would of doubled that for the F-22 since their fleet of F16's are aging dramatically, and are still going to be outdated if they ecieve the F16C/D compared to the J-20. Now we are blowing tons more money on the F-35 that IMO is already outdated, and is continuing to have delays and problems and funding, just end that program. The F-35 is like GT5, stop delaying it and trying to update it, bring it out already, it's already outdated.
Okay, rant done, had to get it off my chest, what do you guys think, will this new Chinese fighter be a threat to us? Should Douglas be in trouble for giving China the necessary information to build a copy of America's work? Should we restart the F-22 program, and scrap that heap of **** known as the F-35? I want to know, because this is a serious problem.
Anyways, just read that late last month China somewhat allowed the world to see the fifth generation fighter they've been working on. It's only done high speed taxi runs, but they say in the coming months, maybe even by the end of this month they will have it officially take flight.
Here's my problem with this situation right now. Does anybody know what the YF23 is? It was the jet competing against the F-22 for the contract to be te next generation stealth fighter, and although it displayed impressive results, the Raptor got picked. And what did Mcdonell Douglas do with the super computer, data, and plans of the YF23? They sold it to China....way to give them a jumpstart on allowing them to build up their ability for stealth fighters :rollseye: Now not 100% of it is because of Douglas, they say when the project for the J-20 was announce, Lockheed Martin was seriously hit for a while with email and computer hacking, with alot of them containing information on the development of the F-22, since they are still trying to correct some problems, like ejection seat pieces rusting.
Now Russia has the T50 prototype in testing as well, and unlike America, they are going to sell this to other countries, they believe around 1,000 will be produced, compared to the F-22 wit less then 200 made. Why is this a problem? Two reasons, strength in numbers. China says they may be able to build the J-20 as cheap as 50%-70% less then it takes to manufacture the F-22. ( I will say though you get what you pay for, the J-20 is using Russian engines, China can't seem to build a reliable engine that can create enough thrust to be comeptative lol.) And that this technology and fighter may be passed on to North Korea, as well as Iran.
Unfortunately this administration in Washington dropped the ball on this one (and rarely have I had much beef with the Obama administration so far) by ending the production of the F-22, having Robert Gates back it up by saying that China won't have a stealth fighter in the line up by 2020....but they are 9 years ahead of the date ( which comes back to Douglas selling the stuff to China, otherwise the statement may have been true) and not allowing it to be purchased by other countries, ones who were seriously interested like South Korea, India, Taiwan (who desperatly need new fighters, and now ones capable of handling this new type of craft) etc. Taiwan alone wanted to give us 6bil. in military hardware and supplies( America is draggin their feet on that since China has such an influence on America) And I'm sure they would of doubled that for the F-22 since their fleet of F16's are aging dramatically, and are still going to be outdated if they ecieve the F16C/D compared to the J-20. Now we are blowing tons more money on the F-35 that IMO is already outdated, and is continuing to have delays and problems and funding, just end that program. The F-35 is like GT5, stop delaying it and trying to update it, bring it out already, it's already outdated.
Okay, rant done, had to get it off my chest, what do you guys think, will this new Chinese fighter be a threat to us? Should Douglas be in trouble for giving China the necessary information to build a copy of America's work? Should we restart the F-22 program, and scrap that heap of **** known as the F-35? I want to know, because this is a serious problem.