New Boss does 11s...

[LS1ow]

with just DRs. /discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VLmXeUflf4I

[LTb1ow]

Fake.

[redsoxsstink]

dam thats a quick sob

[NastyEllEssWon]

dam thats a quick sob



the car or the new camaros tears??? :lol:

[coolmanvette75]

wow thats quick.

[madness410]

yah, so?

[S.J.SLEEPER]

well...lets see, should compare apples to apples.
if the camaro had the following, it would see those #'s if not better.

Stainless Tubular headers
11.0:1 cr
Dohc four valves per cylinder
variable intake & variable camshaft timing
3:73's standard
3600 lbs

^ this is all standard in the Boss 302...

What kind of power you think the Ls motor would make with Dohc,Tubular headers instead of cast iron manifolds & car had weight reduction down to 3600lbs?

My guess you would see low 11s times.

[BigRocsFirebird]

not bad

[Ls1dreamin02]

its still a mustang.....no thanks

[redsoxsstink]

well...lets see, should compare apples to apples.
if the camaro had the following, it would see those #'s if not better.

Stainless Tubular headers
11.0:1 cr
Dohc four valves per cylinder
variable intake & variable camshaft timing
3:73's standard
3600 lbs

^ this is all standard in the Boss 302...

What kind of power you think the Ls motor would make with Dohc,Tubular headers instead of cast iron manifolds & car had weight reduction down to 3600lbs?

My guess you would see low 11s times.

yea thats the problem, the camaro doesnt have that from the factory:-?

[BigAls87Z28]

Eh...I've seen 3900lbs 3.55 geared 5th Gens run 11s already.

[LTb1ow]

Eh...I've seen 3900lbs 3.55 geared 5th Gens run 11s already.

No one cares about what you dream about.

Vids or gtfo.

[Raist103]

thats not bad. 117 is much better times then the mags are getting with them. best ive seen in a mag is 114

[V]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFe2-2YNdL4&feature=related


here it is again 12.3 on street tires. 116mph

[S.J.SLEEPER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFe2-2YNdL4&feature=related


here it is again 12.3 on street tires. 116mph

aaahhhhh big deal. My 2000 SS went 12.70 out the box w/ just an airlid.
F.Y.I. that was 10yrs ago.....So it took Ford 10 yrs to go 4 tenths faster w/ all todays technology.:loser:

[Ls1dreamin02]

aaahhhhh big deal. My 2000 SS went 12.70 out the box w/ just an airlid.
F.Y.I. that was 10yrs ago.....So it took Ford 10 yrs to go 4 tenths faster w/ all todays technology.:loser:

Thank You...finally a smart statement.

[Frosty]

aaahhhhh big deal. My 2000 SS went 12.70 out the box w/ just an airlid.
F.Y.I. that was 10yrs ago.....So it took Ford 10 yrs to go 4 tenths faster w/ all todays technology.:loser:

...and some cars are just factory freaks like yours. Contrary to popular belief not every LS1 car is some factory 12 second car. A majority of the ones I've seen at Atco, bone stock, were 13.20-13.50 cars.

My Z28 was a 13.40 car all day long, cutting a 1.9x 60' time on stock RSA's. Car was bone stock down to the paper filter. Had mid 50K miles on it at the time. Granted it was an A4 car but still, a far cry from a stock, 12 second car, lol.

[Jersey Mike]

well...lets see, should compare apples to apples.
if the camaro had the following, it would see those #'s if not better.

Stainless Tubular headers
11.0:1 cr
Dohc four valves per cylinder
variable intake & variable camshaft timing
3:73's standard
3600 lbs

^ this is all standard in the Boss 302...

What kind of power you think the Ls motor would make with Dohc,Tubular headers instead of cast iron manifolds & car had weight reduction down to 3600lbs?


The thing is, the Camaro doesn't come with all that from the factory. apples to Apples, stock pony car to stock pony car.

When you start modifying, the game changes. As they sit from the factory, you have to give it up to the Boss.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

The thing is, the Camaro doesn't come with all that from the factory. apples to Apples, stock pony car to stock pony car.

When you start modifying, the game changes. As they sit from the factory, you have to give it up to the Boss.

yes, I undersatand that (pony car to pony car). but Boss doesn't have a single cam pushrod motor, so therefore not comparing apples to apples, also Boss is $40k +

Flip it the other way, Vette is a pony car, would you compare the zr1 or zo6 to the Boss, if so the Boss loses every which way you look at it....oh wait a minute, you can fit more than 2 people in a boss, can't in a vette.

I never considered the mustang 4.6l to be apples to apples with the F-body platform, due to its much smaller in ci,huge msrp difference & just being a plain turd.

[Frosty]

The Corvette isn't a pony car.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

for what reason?

[maroman88]

it handles turns as well lol

[Frosty]

I've never heard it referred to as a pony car by anyone, on any forum. It's generally considered a sports car due to the handling.

[Frosty]

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definition.shtml

I'm sure this will spark some debate but it's a good list/definitions

[S.J.SLEEPER]

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definition.shtml

I'm sure this will spark some debate but it's a good list/definitions


SWEET !!!! So since my SS is considered a "muscle car" not a "pony car" but it now has only 2 seats & has fiberglass & polyurethane body, then it must be a
"sport muscle car"

So what is the carbon fiber version of the vette? an "exotic"?

hahahahahahah What the phoohk are we arguing about cuz some jackwagon posted up some lame "mustang crap" on a "GM site".

[Frosty]

You're trying to compare a Mustang to a Corvette :rofl: That's an insult to the Corvette and not fair to the Mustang on any trim level really.

[NastyEllEssWon]

right now sj sleeper you sound like a civic fanboy....they play that game. ''well if i had a turbo blah blah blah then yeah id be able to blah blah blah''. the point is that ford chose to develop their ohc mod motors and gm went in the way of a pushrod ohv motor. you cant just say well if this but that...because if Ifs and Buts were candy and nuts then we'd all have a merry christmas.


as it stands right now camaro vs mustang the mustang is not only superior in straight line performance, but its truer to its roots, lighter and looks a hell of a lot better. as for this being a ''gm'' site, meh...id say more of an enthusiast site for a certain bodystyle, more so than the whole brand. screw gm, i love fbodies. the new camaro is not an fbody.

just face it...the King of the Road, is once again, King of the Road...and I for one couldnt be happier.

[Mike]

if the lsx had dohc, it wouldnt be an lsx.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

right now sj sleeper you sound like a civic fanboy....

awesome ! always wanted a civic, guess I should buy one cuz I'll fit right in.:mrgreen:

[LTb1ow]

awesome ! always wanted a civic, guess I should buy one cuz I'll fit right in.:mrgreen:

prob be faster than anything you drive too!:rofl:

[Frosty]

prob be faster than anything you drive too!:rofl:

Use the callout thread that's going nowhere. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

[NastyEllEssWon]

Use the callout thread that's going nowhere. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:



frosty fancy a race? :nod:

[LTb1ow]

Use the callout thread that's going nowhere. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

frosty fancy a race? :nod:

The JSFBOA call out thread is where its at, and wanna get in on the madness frosty? :nod:

[S.J.SLEEPER]

prob be faster than anything you drive too!:rofl:

I'd say I Agree....but I drive my D-max Dually evryday and most ricers aint got squat for my soot spewin work truck.:mrgreen:

[monte383sbc]

mustang, Mostly used **** that aint no good

[JL8Jeff]

Ford has always spent more money on building some limited production exotic version of the Mustang and this is no different. It would be interesting to see how "stock" they truly are. But I cetainly wouldn't call the Mustang a good looking car, it's uglier now than it was a couple of years ago! With the weight difference between the cars, you can't come close to calling it apples to apples. When the Mustang adds the true side impact protection and it gains 400 lbs, then you will have an honest comparison. But anything over $35K is really outpricing the ponycar concept and becoming pretty exotic at this point.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

With the weight difference between the cars, you can't come close to calling it apples to apples. When the Mustang adds the true side impact protection and it gains 400 lbs, then you will have an honest comparison. But anything over $35K is really outpricing the ponycar concept and becoming pretty exotic at this point.

:stupid: well said. this was what i was trying to say, but I'm a civic nuthuggin fanboi. lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Anything over 35k is an exotic? ****, there are a lot of exotics out there!

Camaro's weight is one thing, and it could be better
Mustang really became quite a great car, and the Boss is exactly the car that a lot of Camaro fans wanted from GM.

[JL8Jeff]

Anything over 35k is an exotic?

For a pony car, over $35K is definitely exotic. The pony car was built to be an affordable sporty sedan. $40-60K does not come close to meeting that criteria.

[NJ346]

Gm better wake up or this little sales race their having with Ford between the mustang/camaro is going to be over rather quickly. Hopefully when the re-do the platform the camaro is on in a couple of years it will be a smaller, lighter car.

[BigAls87Z28]

Gm better wake up or this little sales race their having with Ford between the mustang/camaro is going to be over rather quickly. Hopefully when the re-do the platform the camaro is on in a couple of years it will be a smaller, lighter car.

Better check your sales numbers there pumpkin. Camaro is still #1, even after 6 months of 2011's. I know, cant make sense, but it is. Convertible sales should start to pick up this month too.

[Tru2Chevy]

Better check your sales numbers there pumpkin. Camaro is still #1, even after 6 months of 2011's. I know, cant make sense, but it is. Convertible sales should start to pick up this month too.

I haven't been following terribly close, but has there been a month that the Mustang outsold the 5th gen since the 5th gen went on sale?

- Justin

[NJ346]

Better check your sales numbers there pumpkin. Camaro is still #1, even after 6 months of 2011's. I know, cant make sense, but it is. Convertible sales should start to pick up this month too.

What I meant by the post was that while the Camaro is doing well right now, I can see sales favoring the mustang in the future if the Camaro doesn't try to match fords offerings.

How many different ways can you get a mustang right now compared to the camaro?

[Slow-V6]

Chevy will match the mustang.. All will be well.. The Camaro is still outselling the mustang and the new mustang design is still not that popular with the diehard Ford people out there. All I see is new camaros everywere. even saw 8 Convertible camaros on my way down to Baltimore and back on Sunday.. They are everywere. I wont own niether the New Mustang or New camaro so to me it doesnt really matter which is faster or what not..

[JL8Jeff]

How are the sales actually measured, by GM selling cars to the dealers or dealers actually selling cars to the public? I see a ton of Camaros sitting on the lot so it makes me think they are counting sales as what the dealers are getting from GM. Does Ford do that as well? Total cars produced does not mean total cars sold no matter who the manufacturer is.

[BigAls87Z28]

What I meant by the post was that while the Camaro is doing well right now, I can see sales favoring the mustang in the future if the Camaro doesn't try to match fords offerings.

How many different ways can you get a mustang right now compared to the camaro?

There are a lot of variations and submodels for the Mustang. From what I can remember..
You have the V6, V6 performance package, V6 convertable, V6 vert with performance package, GT, GT vert, GT perforomance, GT performance vert, Boss 302, Boss 302 LS, GT500, GT500 vert, then there are a host of other little trim versions like national mustang club of america package, california package, etc etc.

Camaro has 4 V6 trims, 2 SS trims, and RS package can be orderd with 2 of the V6 packages and both SS trims, plus the ZL1 coming next year which will be coupe only. You can get a vert on all LT and SS versions, not LS trim.

How are the sales actually measured, by GM selling cars to the dealers or dealers actually selling cars to the public? I see a ton of Camaros sitting on the lot so it makes me think they are counting sales as what the dealers are getting from GM. Does Ford do that as well? Total cars produced does not mean total cars sold no matter who the manufacturer is.

Its sales to customers, not dealers.