well this sucks!

[WayFast84]

A little while ago I decided to give up on my search for a fourth gen. I was interested in two other cars that oddly aren't even close. I was interested in a 2012 Mustang gt, Base with 3.73's and Brembo brakes or a 2011 SUbaru WRX sedan( possibly an STI but the price is out of my budget) base with leather seats(the dealer said I could go aftermarket?)

ITS A DRAW! No car is better then the other!!

First I went to see the mustangs, These cars look amazing, a really bold look, paint was nice and the interior was better then what I was expecting from ford but still not all there. The car sounded amazing and air was really cold(duh!). I had to turn down a test drive because I knew I would want it more if I got to test drive it and couldn't test drive a WRX today.

Finally I found a Subaru dealership with a WRX and went to go see it. I walked in the show room and WOW! This car looks amazing!! SO sleek and bold, Paint is nice, wheels are nice, interior is so much nicer then the mustang and quality in general is a little nicer! I loved the seats but the WRX was a limited and priced at 30,000+ which is a combination of the Navigation, sunroof, trim and the fact that these cars are pretty rare and I could have to wait up to 6 months for an STI but a little less for the WRX. I could not test drive this car since it was in the showroom and was not expecting to buy this since it wasn't base.


Pro's of the mustang
Bold style
Bang for the buck
Power!
Better gas mileage
6 to 8 weeks for an order
Roomy driver side interior
6 speed

Cons
Decent interior
Everyone will have one
RWD
small back seat

Pro's of the WRX
4 door
functional back seats
AWD
Price
Interior is amazing
Quality is above average( my friends STI is in BMW territory
Bold and sleek design
Superior handling(from what I read)

Cons of the wrx
Lack of power(stage 2 needed!)
5 speed
Terrible gas mileage(19/25)
wait for ordering one.
Every ricer is going to throw rev's at me


Just thought I would write this up and share with you guys. I know some of us are actual car enthusiasts instead of fbody fan boys!

[chrisfrom nj]

get a new camaro SS

[JL8Jeff]

Are you looking at the car to be your daily driver? If so, there's not much comparison between AWD and RWD regardless of the manufacturer. The Mustangs will probably start showing up all over the place and be a dime a dozen within a year so it most likely won't hold value like the Subaru will. A 2 door vs a 4 door is also an apples to oranges comparison so it's really tough to weigh the cars. It really depends on your needs and what you're willing to sacrifice. If we continue to have significant snow storms in the upcoming winters, you'll regret the rwd. The downside to the awd is the lousy gas mileage every single day when you might only need the awd a couple of times a year. Do you ski, snowboard, do other winter sports that the awd will be able to get you there where the rwd won't? Will you ever need to tow anything like a pwc, boat, bike, landscape trailer? How many miles will you put on it in a year? I really think the Subaru will probably be the better vehicle for most people and if it holds value better, then that's a bonus.

[sweetbmxrider]

Break rockersssssssss

[BigRocsFirebird]

i'd say a 2012 5.0 6spd but that's just me lol

[Blacdout96]

I agree with jeff, if you want a Mustang wait a couple years and pick one up at an auto lenders or something. The subaru will be harder to find, and you got to remember they arent the easiest thing to work on and neither is their price for parts.

[Frosty]

I agree with jeff, if you want a Mustang wait a couple years and pick one up at an auto lenders or something. The subaru will be harder to find, and you got to remember they arent the easiest thing to work on and neither is their price for parts.

That's the beauty of a new car, warranty!!

[Blacdout96]

Till he decides to step up from breaking ARP Rocker arm studs to Breaking tranny's by doing a couple of these. Usually shops frown upon that, dunno why :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHKJJi3ukgw&feature=fvsr

[Frosty]

Then that's his fault/problem ;)

[Blackbirdws6]

I think you need to drive both and then decide. Subaru frowns heavily upon stage upgrades for obvious reasons. You may get away with drivetrain warranty work with very minor bolt ons with either car.

Best to compare both with a test drive over just looking at the facts.

[WayFast84]

I actually want to test drive an older Subaru and see how the quality is after a few thousand miles. The Subaru's interior is amazing but that doesn't help if I hear clunks and rattles like the cobalt. The thing about the Subaru is the power. I hear you need the cobb tuner to make the car feel like it should have from the factory, Then an exhaust, cai and some other bolt on's and your pushing the factory motor..

The mustang is a serious car and comes at an even better price. I would be happy stock or with a cai and that's it.

There is no way I would be purchasing a new Camaro. After driving the Cobalt for 2 years, and riding in/driving the Malibu I do not want another GM car until they truly make an amazing car(which the Camaro isn't).

I have connections at a ford dealership, but the Subaru dealer said I only have to put down $500 and will have MONTHS to sack away money and have a really small monthly payment.

[BonzoHansen]

A man of your means should buy both. Use the AWD in rain & snow and the RWD one on nice days. Problem solved. Mod the **** out of them too. Because that is a great idea as well as warranties are for pussies and poor people.













Normally I'd offer the usual advice based on actual experience: buy a used car, save your money for a house down the road so you don't have to mooch off the parents into your 30s, so you aren't stuck with loan high payments if job thing craps out, etc., total equity loss, la la la, but no one ever listens so I'm going all reverse psychology now and encourage stupid behavior. lol

[Blacdout96]

^^^ Epic correct answer is epic.

Very true Bonzo, there are tons of used cars out there that'll get you to point A to point B all the same.

[Mike]

Thread title is Funny. It really must suck to have to decide which brand new car you want.

[maroman88]

Thread title is Funny. It really must suck to have to decide which brand new car you want.

seems like we just went thru this with another kid lol

[79T/A]

Is this the same guy whose mother wouldn't let him have his third gen a few years ago? Someone must've gotten one hell of a job and moved out!

[jam01]

my new camaro ss rs is amazing, no problems as of yet. my 02 is still on its original exhaust,and while it may need some little thing now it has been a quality car. yes it has plastic pieces here and there, but in all i like it. like mentioned before parts for said wrx will be expensive when they are needed, and all cars eventually need parts. unless you trade them in every 3-4 years, and i know people who do this. test drive any car before you buy it, and if a salesman or dealer wont let you walk away.

[band77one]

id go subaru. the mustang looks like ****. it does NOT look tough or mean or menacing in anyway. the wrx's are great cars. and so are the camaros.

[BigAls87Z28]

Stick with the Cobalt.

[JL8Jeff]

A man of your means should buy both. Use the AWD in rain & snow and the RWD one on nice days. Problem solved. Mod the **** out of them too. Because that is a great idea as well as warranties are for pussies and poor people.



Normally I'd offer the usual advice based on actual experience: buy a used car, save your money for a house down the road so you don't have to mooch off the parents into your 30s, so you aren't stuck with loan high payments if job thing craps out, etc., total equity loss, la la la, but no one ever listens so I'm going all reverse psychology now and encourage stupid behavior. lol

I get it! Do the opposite of what you think is right! :nod:

http://www.eoinbutler.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gc1.jpg

[BigRocsFirebird]

seems like we just went thru this with another kid lol

yup that's me lol so i say go for the mustang like i didddddddd

[BullittSVT]

Aren't the new 6 speed manuals junk? They are faulty or something.. all around the Mustang forums.

RWD isn't a con :P

I like the new Mustang though, but you should wait and see if my above statement is still an issue with the car, it'll pop out of gears, not shift.. grind.. just in general a pain in the ass. Chinese built getrags :P

[sweetbmxrider]

Buy a boat
Acquire squids

[WayFast84]

Everyone saying I should save for a house and move out. I get it. I really do but right now I have a 4 bedroom house all to my self(when I am home). I work night's(full time) and go to school full time. While I am in school for the next 3-4 years getting my bachelors and masters it's pretty dumb for me to move out on my own.

Aren't the new 6 speed manuals junk? They are faulty or something.. all around the Mustang forums.

RWD isn't a con :P

I like the new Mustang though, but you should wait and see if my above statement is still an issue with the car, it'll pop out of gears, not shift.. grind.. just in general a pain in the ass. Chinese built getrags :P


the 2011 6 speed has some problems. Most cars are fine and only some have problems... it's fixed for the 2012's...

pending test drives/financing I should be ordering a mustang in the next month..

[Blacdout96]

Is school paid for, or did you get a full ride? if not, wait till you get out and you see those bills for the school. Most people I know that got out of school and got a new car said they wish they would of used that money to pay off the loans.

And yes the Tranny's are crapping out. They are blaming the manufacturing....in China....... :cough:shouldofbeenmadeinTaiwan:cough:

[Tru2Chevy]

:cough:shouldofbeenmadeinTaiwan:cough:

....or maybe, I dunno, in the USA? :usa:

- Justin

[Blacdout96]

Arent they ZF trans? isn't it Germany?

[Tru2Chevy]

Arent they ZF trans? isn't it Germany?

Not ZF, Getrag (still German though). I believe they are actually made by the 50-50 joint venture between them and Ford called Getrag Ford Transmissions Corporation which is headquartered in Michigan.

http://www.getrag.de/en/27

- Justin

[WayFast84]

I was lucky enough to have a college fund that I haven't touched thanks to my tuition being about $200 a semester at mcc. I buy used/borrow books and will be going commuting there another year to finish the ******** they call a degree before commuting to Kean.

Someone said Chevy quality is a lot better now but I beg to differ. The 2010 Malibu that my mom bought after she sold me her cobalt is the same way as the new Camaro, Poor visibility and bland interior.

GM is on the right track and getting better. Maybe new designs like the volt and all of the Buick line up is a huge step forward, But they are still not on the same page as Ford and other manufacturers..

[BigAls87Z28]

I was lucky enough to have a college fund that I haven't touched thanks to my tuition being about $200 a semester at mcc. I buy used/borrow books and will be going commuting there another year to finish the ******** they call a degree before commuting to Kean.

Someone said Chevy quality is a lot better now but I beg to differ. The 2010 Malibu that my mom bought after she sold me her cobalt is the same way as the new Camaro, Poor visibility and bland interior.

GM is on the right track and getting better. Maybe new designs like the volt and all of the Buick line up is a huge step forward, But they are still not on the same page as Ford and other manufacturers..

You clearly have not been in the same cars I have.

Grab a seat in a 2010 Fusion, tell me how "great" that interior is. Malibu has a "bland" interior? And "quality" is different than visibility, you should learn the difference.

[WayFast84]

You clearly have not been in the same cars I have.

Grab a seat in a 2010 Fusion, tell me how "great" that interior is. Malibu has a "bland" interior? And "quality" is different than visibility, you should learn the difference.

In my opinion visibility is in a good design which is part of quality. I haven't been in a fusion lately but when I was it was much better then my cobalt but i know thy are different markets.

I am not a ford nut swinger but when I was in the new focus it was an amazing design and interior. The fiesta is a direct competiton to the aveo and blows it out of the water and would have one as a dd if thy didn't put a cup holder on the door which hit into my leg.

There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle and I am just trying to find the one that's the best for me.

I found an 09 wrx for 21000 with 24,000 on the clock. I am going to check it out and see how it rides after being a few years old. I really wish it was the wide body though :(

Sold the bike today. Being responsible and putting half for the new car and half in a 1 year cd.

[greenformula92]

ok im gonna speak from a little experience here cause i have a turbo subaru, and i looked at WRX, STI, and the Legacy GT which i wound up buying. let me just start of with i bought mine used with 73000 miles, its an 06. it has no rattles, no strange noises or anything of the like, i did have problems with the turbo up-pipe cat, but i went ahead and eliminated that with a nice perrin piece, and no check engine light, if your are looking to go fast the Legacy GT is a nice choice, it is just as fast as a WRX. You might say how is this possible? well the Legacy has a bigger turbo then the WRX. other pros of the legacy, the interior is very comfortable, way more comfortable than the WRX or STI, the back seat is more practical, the trunk is more practical, and the car is kind of like a sleeper. what you have to remember is that almost EVERY WRX or STI has been beat on from the new. The Legacy GT was a little more Luxury, and less younger people bought it because it didn't get the puiblicity. my car was 100% stock at 73000 miles, and definatly owned by someone who took care of it. ohh yeah one more pro, better MPG than both the WRX and the STI, I am averaging almost 23.5 MPG and thats fighting my way through Bricktown everyday before getting into jackson, where sometimes my instant MPG is 30+. it really is a great daily driver. if there is one thing i have to complain about is that while the aftermarket is there, parts are expensive, so mods come slow. other than that i love it as a daily and it frees up money to put in my formula at the pump, couldn't ask for more

[Mike]

In my opinion visibility is in a good design which is part of quality. I haven't been in a fusion lately but when I was it was much better then my cobalt but i know thy are different markets.

I am not a ford nut swinger but when I was in the new focus it was an amazing design and interior. The fiesta is a direct competiton to the aveo and blows it out of the water and would have one as a dd if thy didn't put a cup holder on the door which hit into my leg.

There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle and I am just trying to find the one that's the best for me.

I found an 09 wrx for 21000 with 24,000 on the clock. I am going to check it out and see how it rides after being a few years old. I really wish it was the wide body though :(

Sold the bike today. Being responsible and putting half for the new car and half in a 1 year cd.


design and visibility are part of design, you can have a horribly designed, completely ugly product and it can still have quality, or you can have a great design and have no quality, they are not related to each other

[sweetbmxrider]

Subaru's seem to love to eat up wheel bearings.

Fords are the bestest. They actually plant trees that grow oil!!!

[WayFast84]

I got a chance to test drive it. I also got financed but It was about $2000 more then I was expecting so I need to decide a color and order it after my next paycheck. Here's my review from another site.


Today I took out a 2011 Ford mustang gt, premium convertible with a 6 speed and the epic 5.0 coyote motor. On the show room floor this car seemed like It had some pretty big shoes to fill but when I hopped into the car and adjusted my seat I realized that not only did ford manage to do this ford surpassed all of my expectations.

The quality of the motor was amazing, It was so smooth. Maybe I am just used to stumbling and putting around in my 2006 chevy cobalt with 58,000 miles on it but over all I was impressed with the power, delivery and how smooth this road.

The interior was nothing short of amazing.The leather is good(not bmw great) but It sure is better then my GM's and better then the leather on the WRX I decided against! The seats maybe me feel like I was in a lazy boy and certainly made the ride much more enjoyable. The Dashboard and door panels are also good. Also equal if not better then a WRX but way better then my Cobalt and moms 2010 Malibu which seems like a tin can compared to this beast.

What I did not like was the shifter. The shifter was pretty much a pain in my ass. I found it hard to find the gear I wanted and I was nervous of shifting into Reverse instead of first gear! I never drove a six speed before so I don't know if that's how it always was or if its new but I figure I'm in first gear more then I am in sixth and would much rather have it over there!

Overall this car is priced very well for the quality, performance and fuel economy. I am going to place my order as soon as I can figure out which color I want it in!

If you have any questions I can try to answer them.

[qwikz28]

Matt- I just looked on Ford's website, and I want to verify that you are taking full advantage of their 0% for 60 months financing plus $500 back deal currently going on. If you aren't, then get a cosigner. 0% financing is essentially free money when you factor in inflation and the advantages of keeping money liquid. All that is in addition to not paying finance charges.

[sweetbmxrider]

Don't these have the tranny's that like to **** out, always? Watch out for 3rd gear grind.

[nj85z28]

There is no way I would be purchasing a new Camaro. After driving the Cobalt for 2 years, and riding in/driving the Malibu I do not want another GM car until they truly make an amazing car(which the Camaro isn't).
.

Best bang for your buck IMO is the new Camaro. You dont need all the options, I went and got the 2011 1SS for under 30k exactly the way I wanted it

[WildBillyT]

Don't these have the tranny's that like to **** out, always? Watch out for 3rd gear grind.

Yes.

[qwikz28]

Don't these have the tranny's that like to **** out, always? Watch out for 3rd gear grind.

I don't think that would stop me. Once the car is out of warranty, drop the coin on a serious rebuild. Problem solved.

[WildBillyT]

I don't think that would stop me. Once the car is out of warranty, drop the coin on a serious rebuild. Problem solved.

Ehhh, I believe it's a design flaw.

[WayFast84]

Matt- I just looked on Ford's website, and I want to verify that you are taking full advantage of their 0% for 60 months financing plus $500 back deal currently going on. If you aren't, then get a cosigner. 0% financing is essentially free money when you factor in inflation and the advantages of keeping money liquid. All that is in addition to not paying finance charges.

I am not eligible for that deal since the car would have to be in before its over. Right now I am eligible for 0% for 36 months or 2k cash back. I am not dead set on this dealer so I will be shopping around. As for the trans I believe only a small percentage of people Re having problems with it and the warranty is why I am not worried about it...

I decided I would take a few other cars out before i order a new car so I am 100% sure I am making the right choice. If you have sugpgesptions on whap I should take out let me know!

[qwikz28]

Shop around at different dealers and find what you want. The internet is a powerful tool. That 0% for 60 + 500 will lower your payments substantially. We did it with my cousins 2011 1SS because he was very particular with what colors and options he wanted. We traveled well into Jersey to get his car and it was worth it. Ford has an online locator too.

For what you are looking for, the Mustang or an Evo would be my choices. Likely an Evo though since it snows way more up where I live.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Convertibles are great by why are you getting one as a daily driver?

[jam01]

what was the model of your mothers malibu, was it a plain ls or lt ? i sold a few of them and my customers loved them, as for a cobalt there not that bad. there commuter cars and nothing else, unless you plan to modify it. same goes for most cars produced, people expect them to be perfect in all aspects, performance, miles per gallon, great handling, chick magnet and so forth. while i see that you made up your mind make sure it is what you love or at least like a lot.

[Frosty]

Sorry but trying to compare a inexpensive, throw away car like the Cobalt to something newer or of better quality is absurd.

[Slow-V6]

Get the Mustang.. Be like everybody else in the world!!

[WayFast84]

Best bang for your buck IMO is the new Camaro. You dont need all the options, I went and got the 2011 1SS for under 30k exactly the way I wanted it

What dealer? 30k out the door? This is my price range.

[maroman88]

What dealer? 30k out the door? This is my price range.

i saw this and did the build your own on chevys site, i built a 1ss with no options for about 32k, im sure a dealer could hook it up a little more

[nj85z28]

What dealer? 30k out the door? This is my price range.

Ayers Chevrolet. I also had a little help from my friends in Detroit with GM family pricing, and the only option my SS has is the Hurst shifter. Thats all I really wanted. Didnt care about the sunroof or bluetooth or the RS package or anything like that. All I wanted was the V8, M6 in cyber grey and I got exactly what I wanted

[WayFast84]

The more I read about this stang the moreh I decide I need to wait this out. I think they made the 2011 run way to short and still need to get the kinks out. I also read up on the camaro on ls1 tech hut I'm still not impressed but ill give it a test drive anyway..

[Mike]

Waywaffle

[Blacdout96]

Why not try a Mazda Speed 3 or 6? Turbo'd, fit people comfortable, great on gas, handles like a dream ( very sporty IMO but your teeth don't get jarred out when you hit a bump) resale is great....be perfect for a young person like yourself instead of trying to buy a status symbol.

[WayFast84]

Nice suggestion but I don't like them.. I would just try to keep my cobalt and fix the stuff wrong with it instead of make a payment on those cars..

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Nice suggestion but I don't like them.. I would just try to keep my cobalt and fix the stuff wrong with it instead of make a payment on those cars..

You said it has 60k miles. What's wrong with it?

[sweetbmxrider]

It says

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/07/gm-250-1279809318.jpg

Derp

[elle]

I LOVE the new Mustangs. I have a chance to buy one but it's too much for me to spend on what will be just a "toy". We have a 2010 rs 2ss Camaro and it's...ehhh, not impressive to me.

[WayFast84]

You said it has 60k miles. What's wrong with it?

Horrible rattles, runs like crap, had a sunroof leak twice, already replaced the fuel pump, both original remotes broke and the $100+ replacement remote also broke.

My car needs brakes and tires, and has been hit twice and also had the motor flooded during a storm but had all the fluids drained and the car runs decent now, but I don't see the motor being able to last as long as it should since that happened.

The 9k the dealer offered is amazing considering all of that!

I don't want a payment and could afford a nice truck in cash but I can't take the hit on gas since I'm driving 60 miles a day, right now and will be up another 20 when school starts in septemer.

I don't want to be driving a car I don't want or like! I want my commute to work to be more enjoyable by being in a car I actually want and wasn't forced upon because my other dd blew up...

[sweetbmxrider]

Wtf no wonder its a piece of crap.

WF = Dumbass

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Horrible rattles, runs like crap, had a sunroof leak twice, already replaced the fuel pump, both original remotes broke and the $100+ replacement remote also broke.

My car needs brakes and tires, and has been hit twice and also had the motor flooded during a storm but had all the fluids drained and the car runs decent now


Well no **** you have issues. You can't blame GM for that!

[WildBillyT]

Horrible rattles, runs like crap, had a sunroof leak twice, already replaced the fuel pump, both original remotes broke and the $100+ replacement remote also broke.

My car needs brakes and tires, and has been hit twice and also had the motor flooded during a storm but had all the fluids drained and the car runs decent now, but I don't see the motor being able to last as long as it should since that happened.

The 9k the dealer offered is amazing considering all of that!

I don't want a payment and could afford a nice truck in cash but I can't take the hit on gas since I'm driving 60 miles a day, right now and will be up another 20 when school starts in septemer.

I don't want to be driving a car I don't want or like! I want my commute to work to be more enjoyable by being in a car I actually want and wasn't forced upon because my other dd blew up...

So basically it's an entry-level value segment vehicle that has been through the wringer? I'd say it's on par with what can be expected from it.

[Untamed]

Buy a used Toyota Camry, enjoy the 32+ MPG, finish school, pay all bills, evaluate life.

Do things in this order, while not pissing away the money you manage to save while going to school, and you just might enjoy life and have all debts paid when you enter the professional workforce.

No its not fun, its responsible. Fun comes later.

The first 1/3 of your life you learn how to make money
The second 1/3 of your life you work to make money
The last 1/3 of your life you spend the money you made

Where is your mom? Why isn't she slapping you around while you piss away all the money you have so far with the failed hobbies? How many YEARS have the older, experienced people on this board been telling you to be responsible with your (and your parents) money?

Forget the Mustang, WRX and any car over $10k right now. Get reliable and gas-saving for the next 4 years.

After you land a career job and have a steady income without major expenses like school loans, then you can indulge in a treat like a Camaro or Mustang.

Unless you're rich, you should learn from those who have been in your situation and lived it already. You have an opportunity to come out ahead.

[qwikz28]

Buy a used Toyota Camry, enjoy the 32+ MPG, finish school, pay all bills, evaluate life.

Do things in this order, while not pissing away the money you manage to save while going to school, and you just might enjoy life and have all debts paid when you enter the professional workforce.

No its not fun, its responsible. Fun comes later.

The first 1/3 of your life you learn how to make money
The second 1/3 of your life you work to make money
The last 1/3 of your life you spend the money you made

Where is your mom? Why isn't she slapping you around while you piss away all the money you have so far with the failed hobbies? How many YEARS have the older, experienced people on this board been telling you to be responsible with your (and your parents) money?

Forget the Mustang, WRX and any car over $10k right now. Get reliable and gas-saving for the next 4 years.

After you land a career job and have a steady income without major expenses like school loans, then you can indulge in a treat like a Camaro or Mustang.

Unless you're rich, you should learn from those who have been in your situation and lived it already. You have an opportunity to come out ahead.

lol @ logic.

[WayFast84]

I understand I am the poster boy here. I get it. You want to make an example out of me, maybe you want the best for me, Maybe help me from making a mistake you once did, or maybe you just want to call me a dumb ass.

We can talk about where my Mom is here, or where Jake's Mom was when he had a brand new LS1 car as his first ride. We can say I have to many cars or we can talk about the kid that had 2 ls1 camaro's, a pro street car, and a newer gm truck. Bottom line is I am always going to be a target here, and I am okay with it because I am not going to change my desire's, my logic, or who I am as a person.

Yes getting a 30k car is not the smartest decision, but neither is paying 10-12k for a beat up 10+ year old fbody that I wanted..So I made the decision to sell my motorcycle, and save every penny for a nice, new car that I can drive and ENJOY every day and THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO.

I have a steady Income, I get paid more then my Sister, Father and unfortunately my Mother(who showed me real work ethic!) After I buy this car In the end I am still going to be working 10 hour days, going to school and paying a car payment. I will also still have money in my checking, savings and CD accounts, I even manage to keep my stock...

I know all of you are perfect and managed to buy a responsible DD and purchased a house as soon as you were old enough to drink, because this is GoodHousekeeping.org but as for me, I will be taking a different route and will still manage to have a house when I am ready for one in the 3+ years it will take me graduate..

This thread is as good as done. If you want you can continue to call me a dumb ass and come up with cute pet nick names for me here or you can do it in the basement, your choice :mrgreen:

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[Blacdout96]

Wayfast, I feel you make these posts just to troll, and have people actually talk about you. You've seen these same threads over and over again, and you STILL chime in with your own. I'm not sure if you were expecting us to exempt you from what opinions we give you, but if you were expecting us to say go for this car instead of save you're money and be a smart person so you can afford stuff later in life, then I am truely disappointed in you, and I'm sure I am not alone.

[BigAls87Z28]

I understand I am the poster boy here. I get it. You want to make an example out of me, maybe you want the best for me, Maybe help me from making a mistake you once did, or maybe you just want to call me a dumb ass.

We can talk about where my Mom is here, or where Jake's Mom was when he had a brand new LS1 car as his first ride. We can say I have to many cars or we can talk about the kid that had 2 ls1 camaro's, a pro street car, and a newer gm truck. Bottom line is I am always going to be a target here, and I am okay with it because I am not going to change my desire's, my logic, or who I am as a person.

Yes getting a 30k car is not the smartest decision, but neither is paying 10-12k for a beat up 10+ year old fbody that I wanted..So I made the decision to sell my motorcycle, and save every penny for a nice, new car that I can drive and ENJOY every day and THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO.

I have a steady Income, I get paid more then my Sister, Father and unfortunately my Mother(who showed me real work ethic!) After I buy this car In the end I am still going to be working 10 hour days, going to school and paying a car payment. I will also still have money in my checking, savings and CD accounts, I even manage to keep my stock...

I know all of you are perfect and managed to buy a responsible DD and purchased a house as soon as you were old enough to drink, because this is GoodHousekeeping.org but as for me, I will be taking a different route and will still manage to have a house when I am ready for one in the 3+ years it will take me graduate..

This thread is as good as done. If you want you can continue to call me a dumb ass and come up with cute pet nick names for me here or you can do it in the basement, your choice :mrgreen:

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Get a Boss Mustang.

[Blacdout96]

Get a Boss Mustang Laguna Seca Edition .

Fixed.

[BigAls87Z28]

If he has the cash and is not a puss, sure.

[Blacdout96]

Al, where have you been the last two pages, of course he can afford it. He doesn't want no economical car, he wants to go to the dealership, pick up a sports car, and make it rain on them. Why? Because, Wayfast.

Nothing says a solid income and no worries in the future like a bad economy, car payments, and an unknown career. HE CAN'T LOSE!!

[BigAls87Z28]

Or owning a 400+hp muscle car that gets teens in MPG dept, as gas prices keep rising.

Want to be a baller, drop 40 large on a car, and not have to worry? Get a Volt.

[sweetbmxrider]

Get two.

[qwikz28]

Al, where have you been the last two pages, of course he can afford it. He doesn't want no economical car, he wants to go to the dealership, pick up a sports car, and make it rain on them. Why? Because, Wayfast.

Nothing says a solid income and no worries in the future like a bad economy, car payments, and an unknown career. HE CAN'T LOSE!!

That's not fair. The same applies to everyone. By that logic, even doctors and CEOs should then also buy Corollas because we are unable to tell the future.

If he can afford it, then what's the problem? Life is too short to worry about depreciating assets and stuff like that. Sports cars are not a logical purchase, for anyone. In the end, people will get what they want for no other reason than it makes them happy. As long as I've known Matt (Matt, not Wayfast guys. Whether we like it or not, he is an adult now) on this forum, he has loved cars. Now that he has the fiscal means, he should be able to realize that dream. So to all of you guys trying to be logical, I laugh at you, because no logical purchase got you to this forum.

[Frosty]

Wayfast, I feel you make these posts just to troll, and have people actually talk about you. You've seen these same threads over and over again, and you STILL chime in with your own. I'm not sure if you were expecting us to exempt you from what opinions we give you, but if you were expecting us to say go for this car instead of save you're money and be a smart person so you can afford stuff later in life, then I am truely disappointed in you, and I'm sure I am not alone.

Agreed.

Wayfast, some people may rip on you because they think it's cool but some people gave you solid advice. For what it's worth they also gave **** to some other people that wanted to spend big $$$ on cars. It's not just you.

However, with that said you know your reputation here, you know some people will rip on you for the sake of ripping on you yet you post stuff like this. I'm not saying they get a pass for giving you **** but you're trolling, plain and simple. You knew it would turn into a flame fest.

Best of luck on what you decide, just remember, you can't live at home forever...

[elle]

just remember, you can't live at home forever...

It's 2011 amd 1/2 the US is living at home with Mom and Dad. People have no dive to move out and see no need to. ****, i left at 18 and thoughtb doing my own laundry, cooking, cleaning and picking up after myself would be cool. After i found out it suked i wen t and got a wife that didn't do any of it for me either! I miss living at home........

[BonzoHansen]

It's 2011 amd 1/2 the US is living at home with Mom and Dad.

that is because so many of the people in this country live above their means, are ass deep in debt and chase the latest & greatest materialistic things, which is exactly how the country ended up in the economic mess it is in. everyone needed a bigger house and new cars, etc.. Selfishness runs amok in the US.

nothing wrong with living at home a few years if the funds are not there or you are saving money. but if a person lives at home just so they can spend themselves into a hole, that is a total failure. or so mom can do your laundry, that is total selfish failure. at some point a person needs to realize they are an adult, devise and execute a plan for living.

This thread has runs it's course as it has gotten personal to some degree. I also think we've had enough of the recent spate of sub 21 year olds posting look at me I'm cool because I want to go ass deep in debt so I can say I have a cool new car, and to hell with everyone who knows better trying to help me threads. This is the 3rd or 4th one and it is getting redundant.