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BigAls87Z28

10-12-2011, 06:08 PM

In case you wanted to know, GM just unleashed a bunch of information over the last 24 hrs.

Caddy shows off its new super-infotainment system called CUE. Will debut in the XTS, then in the 2013 SRX and ATS.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/cadillac-cue-intuitive-connected-driving-2012-a-106258/

Bunch of Chevy news. The Chevy Spark will slot under Sonic, powered by a 93hp 4cyl. There will also be a full electric model that will sorta go after the Leaf.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/officially-official-spark-joining-chevrolet-u-s-lineup-106264/

We will have the new Colorado and Trailblazer coming.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/trailblazer-returns-chevrolet-announces-global-suv-106263/

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f13/new-chevrolet-colorado-pickup-confirmed-u-s-106224/

Oh, and there will be a convertible ZL1.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/camaro-zl1-most-powerful-chevrolet-convertible-ever-106229/

LS1ow

10-12-2011, 06:23 PM

saw the ZL1 droptop on some site yeserday, i like the 5th gen verts more than i do the coupes. looks nice!

but the colorado on the other hand.... NO WAY

redsoxsstink

10-12-2011, 06:25 PM

ohhh... my ..... god that vert is so hot. mixed feelings about the colorado though and the trailblazer just looks the equinox. why gm would do that is weird, the equinox is one of their best selling models

sweetbmxrider

10-12-2011, 06:42 PM

I hear Pontiac is coming back next year, any insight to this news?

LTb1ow

10-12-2011, 06:45 PM

So out of this list...

2012 Aston Martin DB9 Volante – 470 hp / 443 lb.-ft.
2012 Mercedes SL63 AMG – 518 hp / 465 lb.-ft.
2011 Porsche 911 Turbo S – 530 hp / 516 lb.-ft.
2011 Ford Shelby GT500 – 550 hp / 510 lb.-ft.

How many of them weigh significantly less than the new ZL1? I would be they all weigh a lot less.

BigAls87Z28

10-12-2011, 06:49 PM

madness410

10-12-2011, 07:15 PM

yeah whats with the weird picture of the trailblazer i was excited to see what it looks like.

zl1 is sexy..i wonder if esi will get one :twisted:

...probably not though.

maroman88

10-12-2011, 07:33 PM

the AT tires on the colorado dont fit with the minivan front end they stuck on it... other then that the zl1 vert looks great, glad the trailblazer name is coming back (replacing traverse?) mmmm maybe another TBSS!?!?, and dont care about the spark...

i guess caddi needs the entertainment crap to keep up with the competition but it does nada for me

redsoxsstink

10-12-2011, 08:05 PM

sweetbmxrider

10-12-2011, 08:12 PM

Flares bigger, quarter smaller, window chrome divides windows differently, hatch looks narrower.

Big pal, is it a different platform?

Tru2Chevy

10-12-2011, 08:14 PM

The Trailblazer is likely going to slot in between the 'nox and the Traverse crossovers as a tougher, off-road capable BoF SUV based on the Colorado chassis. GM hasn't said for sure that it's coming to the US, but speculation is that it will.

- Justin

BigAls87Z28

10-13-2011, 01:50 AM

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/2013-Chevrolet-TrailBlazer-001.jpg
http://www.productioncars.com/send_file.php/chevy_traverse_rear_grey_2009.jpg
good call maroman they look pretty darn close other than the tailights

That is the Traverse.

Flares bigger, quarter smaller, window chrome divides windows differently, hatch looks narrower.

Big pal, is it a different platform?

Tblazer will be different and slot between Equinox and Traverse, but by the time we get the Tblazer, the Nox and Traverse will be different.

The Trailblazer is likely going to slot in between the 'nox and the Traverse crossovers as a tougher, off-road capable BoF SUV based on the Colorado chassis. GM hasn't said for sure that it's coming to the US, but speculation is that it will.

- Justin

Tblazer will be built off the Colorado chassis, which will be BOF RWD/4WD. Very different than the Nox and Traverse.

WayFast84

10-13-2011, 02:36 AM

Thread title should be renamed to gm neuters Chevy..

Those trucks/suv look horrible. I do like the tiny car though. It says a lot about the brand.

redsoxsstink

10-13-2011, 07:12 AM

when is the cobalt gonna get a revision. scion couldnt make enough 2drs. every kid wants one.

WiMiMc

10-13-2011, 10:05 AM

meh i hope the trailblazer doesn't have the front end like the Colorado. That grille and headlights are okay for things like the Traverse, but keep the Silverado front end for the Trailblazer and Colorado

spina74

10-13-2011, 11:15 AM

I hear Pontiac is coming back next year, any insight to this news?

Stop messing with the emotions of its fans

BonzoHansen

10-13-2011, 12:37 PM

when is the cobalt gonna get a revision. scion couldnt make enough 2drs. every kid wants one.

Cobalt? Are you joking? It was replaced by the Cruze like 2 years go. Plus the new aveo replacement should entice brain dead ricers.

Hey Al, are you hearing about complaints of paint quality on new GMs, especially camaros?

redsoxsstink

10-13-2011, 01:17 PM

Cobalt? Are you joking? It was replaced by the Cruze like 2 years go. Plus the new aveo replacement should entice brain dead ricers.

Hey Al, are you hearing about complaints of paint quality on new GMs, especially camaros?

chevy needs a cheap 2 door coupe. cruze is 4 doors. look at scion they have a car with options out the ass, its stylish, edgey and dumb people love it. chevy is still a old people group of cars they need somthing young kids want and can afford

sonic avao whatever they want to call it wont do anything. they wont be able to steal the hot hatch market from vw.

BonzoHansen

10-13-2011, 01:36 PM

chevy needs a cheap 2 door coupe. cruze is 4 doors. look at scion they have a car with options out the ass, its stylish, edgey and dumb people love it. chevy is still a old people group of cars they need somthing young kids want and can afford

sonic avao whatever they want to call it wont do anything. they wont be able to steal the hot hatch market from vw.

i'd be curious how many small 2 doors are really sold. the market may not be big enough to really dive into - I mean if the entire market is 50,000 units amongst 2 or three companies, its kind of hard to invest much in that. no company can be all things to all consumers.

What do you consider affordable in that market? $10k? $15k? $20k?

maroman88

10-13-2011, 02:00 PM

LTb1ow

10-13-2011, 03:28 PM

GM needs to install Dmax's in more things.

WiMiMc

10-13-2011, 03:43 PM

aren't the Spark and the Sonic(starts at 13k before they killed the aveo it started at 11k) supposed to be small affordable cars?

fmybody

10-13-2011, 03:47 PM

agree that gm needs a small cheap 2 door.... my area, bergen county, is freakin loaded with civic and accord coupes, altima coupes and scion Tc's... and a ton of cobalts... seems like EVERY high school/college kid gets a new one

agreed. I associate them all with being girl cars. As for the new TC.. but ugly, even for a girls car.

BonzoHansen

10-13-2011, 03:54 PM

http://www.sonicownersforum.com/Pictures/2012-Chevrolet-Sonic-Hatchback-021.jpg

this does not meet such criteria?

maroman88

10-13-2011, 03:57 PM

hows a (hideous) 4 door hatch meeting criteria for a small 2 door coupe?

WildBillyT

10-13-2011, 03:57 PM

http://www.sonicownersforum.com/Pictures/2012-Chevrolet-Sonic-Hatchback-021.jpg

this does not meet such criteria?

Not for a generation of people that were raised on the "fact" that the only good compact cars come from Asia, no.

BonzoHansen

10-13-2011, 03:58 PM

Not for a generation of people that were raised on the "fact" that the only good compact cars come from Asia, no.

then you can't fight that so why spend $1 on trying to?

LTb1ow

10-13-2011, 05:16 PM

then you can't fight that so why spend $1 on trying to?

Because people on the internet say so.

Seriously though, when is GM gonna start pumping out diesel cars/trucks?

BonzoHansen

10-13-2011, 05:17 PM

Because people on the internet say so.

Seriously though, when is GM gonna start pumping out diesel cars/trucks?

when Americans want them. not just people on the internet.

LTb1ow

10-13-2011, 05:22 PM

when Americans want them. not just people on the internet.

This is lame.

People on the internet are sometimes right, 60% of the time. :lol:

sweetbmxrider

10-13-2011, 05:39 PM

Pontiac could rule the small 2 door diesel market with the return of the firebird!!!1!!!11!

LTb1ow

10-13-2011, 05:52 PM

Pontiac could rule the small 2 door diesel market with the return of the firebird!!!1!!!11!

http://www.thefunnyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/awesome-internet-photos-cat-read-relevant-funny.jpg

NastyEllEssWon

10-13-2011, 07:14 PM

We will have the new Colorado and Trailblazer coming.

It's been getting praise elsewhere.

If there is one thing I learned about this place, that whatever the collective group here says, it tends to go the other way.
So if that is any indication, the Colorado should do really well. Right now, GM has no plans to bring it to the US.

Look how I am coming off? No, I know how I am coming off, it is meant to sound like that. If GM had to use this place to gauge what customer response would be for future vehicles, they would have melted down in Chapter 7.

You, sir, are way off base with your comparision to the SSR.
First off, the SSR was a halo car, a car where GM can exercise some design over function. That huge flop lasted a few years, sold what it needed to, did what it had to do, and was gone.
They aren't "testing the waters" with this truck, this is the truck that will be produced for places like Thailand, Australia, and other Far East markets. But there is a good chance that we could see this here in the US, despite the official word out of GM.

They have several designers working these cars, but yes, there is a brand language that Chevrolet wants to have. The Colorado wears it, as will most Chevy products.

Some people, yes, but the people that do need a truck usually go with a Silvy over a Colorado. There are many people that are fighting for the Americans to stay in this market, and it just won't happen. Profit margins are way higher, and production capacity at the full size plants would love to keep the doors open.
If you price out a crew cab, 4wd, long bed, 5.3 liter Colorado, you are looking deep into the 30's.

hello foot....i have a friend id like to introduce you to...his name is mouth. i guess you missed that day at the water cool then :D

LTb1ow

10-13-2011, 07:19 PM

http://reaction.ralfvandenboom.nl/img/PpBKRupzI1.gif

qwikz28

10-13-2011, 10:37 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/13/2013-chevrolet-trailblazer-not-coming-to-the-u-s/

What's going on Al?

redsoxsstink

10-13-2011, 10:45 PM

the 15-20grand range would be competitive. i think i see commercials for the fully loaded scion god edition is like 22k? to me the sonic is just an update of the terrible aveo. idk if any of you have driven a new one and compared it to the old one but the old one was crap i feel.

chevy needs something to compete with accord/civic coupes, and scions. also on a side note, just something i was thinking abt. the update of the camaro should come one the AWD cts platform:wink: people want a car they can drive year round. yes it possible to people to drive rwd in the snow but that requires 1/2 a brain which most people dont have

maroman88

10-14-2011, 12:24 AM

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/13/2013-chevrolet-trailblazer-not-coming-to-the-u-s/

What's going on Al?

oh joy... were stuck with the traverse

WayFast84

10-14-2011, 01:34 AM

Bonzo is that gm's version of the focus or fiesta?

BigAls87Z28

10-14-2011, 07:40 PM

aren't the Spark and the Sonic(starts at 13k before they killed the aveo it started at 11k) supposed to be small affordable cars?

Sonic starts at 14.5k, tops out at 19.5k. Spark will slot beneath that.

Because people on the internet say so.

Seriously though, when is GM gonna start pumping out diesel cars/trucks?

MY2014 with the revised Cruze. They already announced a diesel Cruze.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/13/2013-chevrolet-trailblazer-not-coming-to-the-u-s/

What's going on Al?

95% chance it will come here. It will be quite some time off, since Colorado won't start production for a bit

hello foot....i have a friend id like to introduce you to...his name is mouth. i guess you missed that day at the water cool then :D

I was wrong, by my editor in chief was right. Meh, no big deal. Still shocked they are bringing it here, but due to Dodge and Ford leaving the market open, could mean big sales.

Bonzo is that gm's version of the focus or fiesta?

That is the Sonic, and it goes against the Fiesta, Fit, Versa, Accent, and Yaris.

Cruze goes against Focus. There are no plans for a Cruze coupe. For the life of me, they did not see the need for a Cruze coupe when developing the car. Namely because most of the Cruze's development was based in GM Korea. They are HUGE sedan fans, not big on coupes or hatches.

sweetbmxrider

10-14-2011, 07:51 PM

Give me 4 doors any day of the week, I hate climbing into the back of coupes.

BigAls87Z28

10-14-2011, 08:14 PM

Coupes have their place. Not a **** will be given by the owners, they want style over function.

BTW drove the Sonic yesterday. Very good car for someone looking to downsize.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/315774_2363184391893_1018838304_2708459_1461923426 _n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/302947_2363189752027_1018838304_2708463_103290388_ n.jpg

WayFast84

10-15-2011, 02:19 AM

qwikz28

10-15-2011, 10:52 AM

Al, link us up to the full write up on the Sonic when you do. Actually, I'll ask here: how is the interior noise at highway speed? After living with the Saturn and that being my primary complaint with it, that will be a deal breaker on a new car.

LTb1ow

10-15-2011, 12:18 PM

That is a funny looking toy car there.

Blacdout96

10-15-2011, 12:49 PM

May I say I do fancy the Sonic....alot. My wife wants a small compact car, and really wants a Mini. As much as I would enjoy that car, the maintenance on them would be a little out of her range given some of the parts I've sold arent cheap. However, I would like to sway her to a sonic if I could. The Yaris is ugly as sin, and even at an entry level price of 12K, I had a hell of a time selling them.

My sister has a Fit, and though there are a lot of pluses about the car, the cabin layout is a bit too much, and the second side windows is bothersom when driving. The Sonic looks great with those mean front lenses, and coming in the base market under 20K is not bad, will certainly open the market and give an alternative choice for new drivers/college kids not looking for a box on wheels or Celica wanna be. I'm just worried it has the fit n finish and road noise like an Aveo. Hopefully the ABS plastic squeeks are next to nill.

BigAls87Z28

10-15-2011, 09:15 PM

How's the interior? Back when I wanted a nice little car(like my old Saturn) unchecked out the fiesta which was amazing. The only problem with it was 1 of the six cup holders was on the drivers side door and jabbed into my left quad. It pisses me of when company do something so stupid like that.

I'm also wondering do cars come with column gear shifts still? Every new car I've seen has the one in the center..

No more column shifters in cars. Last one was the Panther cars, and they died last month.
Interior is cool. The IP is very Motorcycle like, looks very similar to the CBR's lay out.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315894_2363179951782_1018838304_2708455_1170315931 _n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310792_2363130710551_1018838304_2708439_1154781361 _n.jpg

Al, link us up to the full write up on the Sonic when you do. Actually, I'll ask here: how is the interior noise at highway speed? After living with the Saturn and that being my primary complaint with it, that will be a deal breaker on a new car.

Interior noise is very quiet, probably best in class. Sonic is being built along side the Buick Verano, so it gets some of the spray insulation that is part of "Quiet Tuning". The chief engineer said it adds a bit of weight, but quiets down the car so much. Also, standard alloy wheels dropped dB levels by 3-4 compared to steelies. I will be getting one for review hopefully in a few weeks. This was a nice drive from midtown to upstate new york, back down.

May I say I do fancy the Sonic....alot. My wife wants a small compact car, and really wants a Mini. As much as I would enjoy that car, the maintenance on them would be a little out of her range given some of the parts I've sold arent cheap. However, I would like to sway her to a sonic if I could. The Yaris is ugly as sin, and even at an entry level price of 12K, I had a hell of a time selling them.

My sister has a Fit, and though there are a lot of pluses about the car, the cabin layout is a bit too much, and the second side windows is bothersom when driving. The Sonic looks great with those mean front lenses, and coming in the base market under 20K is not bad, will certainly open the market and give an alternative choice for new drivers/college kids not looking for a box on wheels or Celica wanna be. I'm just worried it has the fit n finish and road noise like an Aveo. Hopefully the ABS plastic squeeks are next to nill.

Fit an finish should be very good. They really focused in on Fit and Fiesta. Fit for its sales (considering it is only a hatch) and Fiesta for the fun-to-drive factor. They asked me a lot about the Accent I drove. A LOT about the Accent.

Blacdout96

10-15-2011, 10:55 PM

I will be getting one for review hopefully in a few weeks. This was a nice drive from midtown to upstate new york, back down.

I'm sure it's a bit of a stretch, but when you get that test drive,and if i was free, would you be willing to give me a ride to let me gain an opinion on it? I've been waiting since the Philly auto show for it to come to the showroom so I could test drive one.

BigAls87Z28

10-15-2011, 11:44 PM

Sure we could work something out. I'll let you know.

T69SS

10-16-2011, 03:36 PM

I can see where the TrailBlazer styling is coming from... Buick Enclave 100%

BigAls87Z28

10-16-2011, 06:37 PM

They won't look anything alike.

LS1ow

10-16-2011, 07:50 PM

i feel like the new small chevy cars look like new evos. lol

sweetbmxrider

10-17-2011, 07:13 AM

Ya I thought it had some evo in it too

T69SS

10-17-2011, 12:39 PM

i feel like the new small chevy cars look like new evos. lol

I can definitely see that

WiMiMc

10-17-2011, 04:22 PM

the Sonics don't look bad, but i would jump all over a Cruze instead

maroman88

10-17-2011, 05:19 PM

i was very impressed by the Cruze i drove... from inside it doesnt look or feel like the little car it is... theyve come so far from cavalier/cobalts interior its amazing

WiMiMc

10-20-2011, 12:37 PM

i feel like the new small chevy cars look like new evos. lol

same with the new charger