GM SEMA- Camaro 1LE concept

[BonzoHansen]

inb4bigals

swiped verbatim form elsewhere. can't wait to see this at sema this week.

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Camaro 1LE Concept

Born in the Camaro’s third generation and refined further in the fourth generation as a road-racing performance package, the legendary 1LE option code designation returns to the Camaro as a concept intended to carve up road courses. While only a concept, it borrows production components from both the Camaro SS and forthcoming Camaro ZL1 to deliver a competition-ready package. Hash mark graphics on the front fender are pure Chevrolet racing cues, too.

Vehicle highlights:

- Victory Red exterior color, with flat black hood and hash mark extensions
- Satin black splitter, rocker panels, rear spoiler and outside mirrors
- Sport suspension featuring Magnetic Ride Control
- Electric power steering
- Six-speed manual close-ratio transmission
- Lightweight 20x10-inch (front) and 20x11-inch (rear) racing wheels (satin black)
- Goodyear® Eagle F1 Supercar G asymmetrical tires (from the ZL1)
- Brembo® six-piston front calipers, with two-piece front rotors, and four-piston rear calipers (Chevrolet Official Licensed Product)
- Dual exhaust outlets with ZL1-style active exhaust and diffuser
- Shock tower brace
- Chevrolet Accessories red engine cover
- Black leather interior with Light Stone stitching
- Graphite Silver door and instrument panel inserts
- ZL1 shifter with Light Stone stitching
- ZL1 flat-bottom steering wheel
- Chevrolet Accessories pedal kit


“The Camaro 1LE concept is all about the track,” said Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro. “It’s an all-out race car package that pays tribute to that special option from the past.”

[coolmanvette75]

If its all about track, then why does it still have radio, power windows, a/c, and the same heavy curb weight that the SS has. Yes it looks cool, but it isnt the same "stripper" track model it has been in the past...

[Tru2Chevy]

Get used to it man - there will never be another Camaro like the 3rd / 4th gen 1LE cars. For the very small minority of us that would want one to use for it's intended purpose, it sucks, but if you want it that bad, you can always go the BIW route.

I like the concept, aside from the GS hash decals.

- Justin

[redsoxsstink]

i like the deep dish syle 10 spokes but the flat black hood is debatable

[btownws6]

i wish i could afford one of these!!

[band77one]

that steering wheel is standard now. so are the ducktail spoilers. seen em on a few at a local dealership

[NJ Torque]

Looks decent... I like the wheels.

[BigAls87Z28]

that steering wheel is standard now. so are the ducktail spoilers. seen em on a few at a local dealership

Not that particular steering wheel with the flat bottom, but that style yes. And all 2012 Camaros have the spoiler as standard.

A true 1LE package that could be put together quickly would be very easy:
1) FE4 upgraded suspension
2) Convertibles STB
3) Hurst shifter
4) ZL1's brakes
5) Deleting 100lbs of crap out of the car.

[NastyEllEssWon]

am i the only one wishing theyd go with a 5'' ducktail spoiler like the second gens had, the spoiler on it looks decent but i wish it was more aggressive. i like the hashmarks....still hate the car though.




inb4 paul chops one up for his cts :D

[WildBillyT]

ZL1 lite.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Get used to it man - there will never be another Camaro like the 3rd / 4th gen 1LE cars. For the very small minority of us that would want one to use for it's intended purpose, it sucks, but if you want it that bad, you can always go the BIW route.


Did they really ever sell many 1LE cars though?

[1994lt1]

I don't like how these once discrete RPO codes are now going to be full blown decorated models. The ZL1 was a extremely low production model as we know, only 69 were made in 1969. The 1LE, historically was also a model that was low production, though not as low as the ZL1. The original 1LE didnt have any badges that identified it as such, in fact the original 1LE didnt have much of anything! The "Camaro in White" that GM offered for a while (not sure if they still do) is a true nod to the original 1LE, which includes a bare chassis of new Camaro, thats all. IMO they should just stick to their common RPO codes, Z28, SS, RS, Berlinetta, etc.. Idk just a rant

[LS1ow]

this is my favorite 5th gen so far! ohhh myyy i love it!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I don't like how these once discrete RPO codes are now going to be full blown decorated models. The ZL1 was a extremely low production model as we know, only 69 were made in 1969. The 1LE, historically was also a model that was low production, though not as low as the ZL1. The original 1LE didnt have any badges that identified it as such, in fact the original 1LE didnt have much of anything! The "Camaro in White" that GM offered for a while (not sure if they still do) is a true nod to the original 1LE, which includes a bare chassis of new Camaro, thats all. IMO they should just stick to their common RPO codes, Z28, SS, RS, Berlinetta, etc.. Idk just a rant

I agree but it's probably just to copy like the Mustang does.

[LTb1ow]

So a land barge for those tricky rivers with the bends and what not. Sweet.

Whats the GVWR on one of these haulers?

[Blacdout96]

Sooo....what the price tag on one of these? to me, besides a paint scheme, shocks swiped from the Vette, and a few other suspension/brake goodies......it's a SS package Camaro. Give me ten minutes with that car and the designers, and I'll give it a name worth calling it the 1LE package.

To me, this car is nothing more then another Camaro to sit in someones temperature controlled garage, waiting for it to hit Barret Jackson's block instead of hitting the track :(

I understand in this world, no one would buy a radio delete optioned car ( Cept me) but at least create light weight panels, and front seats of Kevlar/Carbon.

This car isn't targeted for the track day driver, in fact none of these new Camaro's are, they just keep getting built for the mid life crisis who couldn't afford a Corvette ( or is too fat for one :lol: )

[LTb1ow]

Sooo....what the price tag on one of these? to me, besides a paint scheme, shocks swiped from the Vette, and a few other suspension/brake goodies......it's a SS package Camaro. Give me ten minutes with that car and the designers, and I'll give it a name worth calling it the 1LE package.

To me, this car is nothing more then another Camaro to sit in someones temperature controlled garage, waiting for it to hit Barret Jackson's block instead of hitting the track :(

I understand in this world, no one would buy a radio delete optioned car ( Cept me) but at least create light weight panels, and front seats of Kevlar/Carbon.

This car isn't targeted for the track day driver, in fact none of these new Camaro's are, they just keep getting built for the mid life crisis who couldn't afford a Corvette ( or is too fat for one :lol: )

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/lazytown_oh_you.jpg

Logic, you silly.

[JL8Jeff]

It really depends if somebody decides to create a specific racing series for these cars. Canada did it years ago with the 1LE or B4C so the cars actually were used on the race track. But GM never made the options public knowledge like they do now. So yes, some investors will buy these cars and park them away and then lose their investment when it doesn't pan out.

[Blacdout96]

Well another thing, if they're considering this as the road racing car, what will the Z28 optioned car be targeted for?

[BigAls87Z28]

This is a "concept" not a production model.

[trashman01]

before GM destroys another option code, rename it the "im a wanna be STI"

[BigAls87Z28]

before GM destroys another option code, rename it the "im a wanna be STI"

Uh...wut?

[Frosty]

The days of no radio, no A/C, no options are LONG gone. I won't say NO ONE wants a car like that because maybe 10 people in the world do and 8 of them can't afford a car like this, lol. The fact is people still want their options...and if they don't they'll build the car themselves. Lets say the car costs $50K(just using that figure as an example), most people will have the mentality that they can buy a SS for $40K, build a better track monster and STILL have radio, AC, etc. Hell that's what I would do, spending $40K for a car with no A/C or any creature comforts? F THAT.

[LS1ow]

The days of no radio, no A/C, no options are LONG gone. I won't say NO ONE wants a car like that because maybe 10 people in the world do and 8 of them can't afford a car like this, lol. The fact is people still want their options...and if they don't they'll build the car themselves. Lets say the car costs $50K(just using that figure as an example), most people will have the mentality that they can buy a SS for $40K, build a better track monster and STILL have radio, AC, etc. Hell that's what I would do, spending $40K for a car with no A/C or any creature comforts? F THAT.

uptil this weekend i drove my car the whole time with no radio... and it SUCKED

[WildBillyT]

uptil this weekend i drove my car the whole time with no radio... and it SUCKED

Yeah, I was going to say that. No A/C? OK. No heat? That means no defroster on fall nights, but OK. No radio? No way. I did a DC to Central NJ drive with no radio- that sucked badly.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

If you buy a car sans everything, chances are you won't driving it long distances, or in the winter, or any of those scenarios..If you buy a 1LE camaro chances are it's a 2nd/3rd car and is relegated to nice day/weekend warrior status.

I wish you could buy cars without options. Leather seats usually suck, I use AC like 4 times a year, heat maybe 10 times a year, and could do without power everything else. Radio would be important for a DD but I can easily do without anything else. Maybe it's because I'm so used to driving big trucks with no radio, no seatbelts, no air, no heat, roll down windows, etc. but all this power ***** is a waste of money.

[BigAls87Z28]

Issue is that it would cost more to engineer the car without it than with it.
Radio you could probably delete, but the weight savings is zilch with modern stuff. Most power window motor systems weight less than roll up, especially if you had to engineer the damn system from scratch since there are no roll up windows for it.
AC removal would also dictate some reengineering of the HVAC system.

Let me put it this way, would you pay another 1,500-2k over a base level 1SS for a 1LE stripper package?

[Blacdout96]

Issue is that it would cost more to engineer the car without it than with it.
Radio you could probably delete, but the weight savings is zilch with modern stuff. Most power window motor systems weight less than roll up, especially if you had to engineer the damn system from scratch since there are no roll up windows for it.
AC removal would also dictate some reengineering of the HVAC system.

Let me put it this way, would you pay another 1,500-2k over a base level 1SS for a 1LE stripper package?

If I was in the market for a Camaro, yes, I would prefer that over the SS package, and pay the extra for less, as long as it had the 1LE designation.

[V]

Let me at it!

[Blacdout96]

I think Jeff brought up a good point earlier in the post. Is there a racing series this could roll right up to and participate in the US? ( excluding autocross events) That was the main appeal to the original 1LE, to compete against Fords twisty bit cars. Baffled fuel tank, manual only, etc, it really was a true track car.

Also, has anyone driven an electrical steering vehicle? Is there a slight delay like when an electric throttle body opens up?

[NastyEllEssWon]

I think Jeff brought up a good point earlier in the post. Is there a racing series this could roll right up to and participate in the US? ( excluding autocross events) That was the main appeal to the original 1LE, to compete against Fords twisty bit cars. Baffled fuel tank, manual only, etc, it really was a true track car.

Also, has anyone driven an electrical steering vehicle? Is there a slight delay like when an electric throttle body opens up?




my ion has electric steering. feels normal to me. its not like an electrical signal is sent to a digital gearbox moving the rack, its still hooked to the rack, but rather has an electrical motor to give it the power steering, rather than fluid. my electrical steering went out (common on these and was warrantied) and it was just like driving without power steering.

[BigAls87Z28]

I think Jeff brought up a good point earlier in the post. Is there a racing series this could roll right up to and participate in the US? ( excluding autocross events) That was the main appeal to the original 1LE, to compete against Fords twisty bit cars. Baffled fuel tank, manual only, etc, it really was a true track car.

Also, has anyone driven an electrical steering vehicle? Is there a slight delay like when an electric throttle body opens up?

Lots of cars have it now. Feed back depends on who makes it and its intent.

[91camaroracer]

so a strut tower brace and some fender stripes and its a 1LE? intresting...

[Tru2Chevy]

so a strut tower brace and some fender stripes and its a 1LE? intresting...

I think you missed the following as well:

- Sport suspension featuring Magnetic Ride Control
- Six-speed manual close-ratio transmission
- Lightweight 20x10-inch (front) and 20x11-inch (rear) racing wheels (satin black)
- Goodyear® Eagle F1 Supercar G asymmetrical tires (from the ZL1)
- Brembo® six-piston front calipers, with two-piece front rotors, and four-piston rear calipers (Chevrolet Official Licensed Product)

....just sayin'

- Justin

[qwikz28]

I think as I've grown older, I've realized just how irrelevant a stripped down car like this is. Old farts can't tolerate it, young guys can't afford it, racers don't care because they rip everything out anyways and don't care how it came from the factory. I'd much rather a comfy GT car than a rattly sports or muscle car these days. I wish forums like LS1tech would stop telling people they need to strip down their cars and turn them into race cars.

http://i.qkme.me/5q0w.jpg

[Tru2Chevy]

I see your point in generalizations Jake, but in regards to stripped down 4th gens and such (typical 'tech situation), it's really all a matter of what you are willing to live with to go fast. Some people are in a situation where many of those creature comforts that others can't live without are irrelevant. For example - I haven't daily driven a vehicle with working AC since February '07 and I spent most of the last 2 years daily driving a Jeep with bare metal floors and no radio. :shrug:

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

Or you just have a daily driver with those comforts and driving a fast tin car every once and awhile is enjoyable.

[LS1ow]

i daily on QTPS...

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/096/044/trollface.jpg?1296494117

[qwikz28]

I see your point in generalizations Jake, but in regards to stripped down 4th gens and such (typical 'tech situation), it's really all a matter of what you are willing to live with to go fast. Some people are in a situation where many of those creature comforts that others can't live without are irrelevant. For example - I haven't daily driven a vehicle with working AC since February '07 and I spent most of the last 2 years daily driving a Jeep with bare metal floors and no radio. :shrug:

- Justin
I suppose you are right. I've lived without AC in the camaro for years, and have barely noticed it. Others would cry going a day without it in the summer. Rereading it, my perspective is different being that I don't race my car. I had street driving, and the marginal gains associated with stripping down your interior, in mind when I wrote that.

Or you just have a daily driver with those comforts and driving a fast tin car every once and awhile is enjoyable.

Which is what I'm doing now, although at this point, I'd much rather an all-purpose vehicle that could do both. But I'm sure once I get one of those, I'll miss having a more hardcore sports cars.

Man, the grass really is always greener on the other side.

[98CamaroSS]

Luv it...:nod: but wish they more then just victory red. :cry:

[BigAls87Z28]

Luv it...:nod: but wish they more then just victory red. :cry:

It's a concept. Color is just for SEMA.

[sweetbmxrider]

It should look more like this....

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Chevrolet/2011-Chevy-Camaro-SSX_Track-Car-Concept-03.jpg

http://www.topcargallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Chevrolet-Camaro-SSX-Track-Car-Concept-Classic-Car-Show.jpg

[LS1ow]

winning.

[Blacdout96]

Now that's worthy of the 1LE name!! Maybe sans the big wing and roll cage, but hell I'll take whatever.

[91camaroracer]

I think you missed the following as well:

- Sport suspension featuring Magnetic Ride Control
- Six-speed manual close-ratio transmission
- Lightweight 20x10-inch (front) and 20x11-inch (rear) racing wheels (satin black)
- Goodyear® Eagle F1 Supercar G asymmetrical tires (from the ZL1)
- Brembo® six-piston front calipers, with two-piece front rotors, and four-piston rear calipers (Chevrolet Official Licensed Product)

....just sayin'

- Justin

oppsss..my bad