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Camvill
12-11-2011, 04:08 PM
So I made some bad life choices today. Got off an on ramp and decided to open it up (like most of us do) and got up there in speed. My radar went off at the last possible moment and a cop was sitting over a small hill in a ditch so no one could see him. I immediately pulled over even before he started his car to chase me down. Needless to say this is what I received.

39:3-74 Obstruction of vision (radar detector)
39:3-33 improper display of plates (i have a bracket around the back plate)
39:4-96 Reckless Driving
39:4-98 Speeding in excess of 30-34 mph (114mph in a 65)
39:4-88A Traffic on marked lanes-nearest right lane (driving in the left lane when no one was in the right lane)

Before you leave me messages like "stop breaking the law jackass" etc... I know I was wrong and I'm probably going to be selling my car because of this. It's too tempting to speed. What would you do in this situation? Thanks in advance.

LTb1ow
12-11-2011, 04:12 PM
Go to court, open wallet, see what you can afford.

qwikz28
12-11-2011, 04:19 PM
Reckless driving is a misdemeanor offense. Get a lawyer.

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 04:36 PM
Open medicine cabinet.

Swallow everything.

Call a lawyer.

What's you driver history look like?

Camvill
12-11-2011, 04:37 PM
Havent had a ticket in over 2-3 years

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 04:41 PM
That's good, but I really think you are going to have a bad day in court. How many points are currently on your license? Cause you are looking at around 10 right now and 12 is automatic suspension.

Camvill
12-11-2011, 04:44 PM
currently have no points............... i can plea bargain to get those points down and take an online defensive driving course for another 2

BullittSVT
12-11-2011, 04:46 PM
The speeding ticket is the true ball buster in this case, focus on getting that down as low as you can

Camvill
12-11-2011, 04:55 PM
what would a typical rate be for a lawyer in this case?

Squirrel
12-11-2011, 05:54 PM
The couple grand youll spend on a lawyer now will save you so much more in the long run, so i suggest getting one asap... but in all honesty and this isnt meant to offend anyone, why didnt you run?

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 06:01 PM
You will have a tough time plea bargaining these charges down in my opinion.

zraffz
12-11-2011, 06:09 PM
Worst choice you made was not boogieing.
He railed you with every ticket he could.

WildBillyT
12-11-2011, 06:22 PM
Get a lawyer. No question. Attempting to elude would be a very risky choice. If you get dinged for that and they state that you were a risk to others that's mandatory jail time.

LS1ow
12-11-2011, 06:34 PM
canada.

qwikz28
12-11-2011, 06:35 PM
You are facing imprisonment with a reckless driving ticket. You really don't have many bargaining chips either with those other tickets being so stout. Lawyer up my man.

fmybody
12-11-2011, 06:35 PM
The couple grand youll spend on a lawyer now will save you so much more in the long run, so i suggest getting one asap... but in all honesty and this isnt meant to offend anyone, why didnt you run?

Worst choice you made was not boogieing.
He railed you with every ticket he could.

I agree with anyone who says get a lawyer. Can someone explain to me why he should have ran?

or is this sarcasm im having trouble reading lol

LTb1ow
12-11-2011, 06:39 PM
Because people on the internet always know best.

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Who runs, pull a GTA and have a shootout with the coppa's. moaar stars = moaar fun!

S.J.SLEEPER
12-11-2011, 06:43 PM
lawyer is gonna run ya $500-$1000
best he is gonna do is get:
reckless to a careless
30-35 speeding to a unsafe driver ticket deal for $250
and the obstruction,plate and such will probly get nothing or merged to a smaller fine only ticket.

I would go to court by yourself, talk to prosecuter and see what he can merge them down to. if your not happy with what he gets it down to, you can then claim you need a lawyer and postpone the case.

WildBillyT
12-11-2011, 06:44 PM
lawyer is gonna run ya $500-$1000
best he is gonna do is get:
reckless to a careless
30-35 speeding to a unsafe driver ticket deal for $250
and the obstruction,plate and such will probly get nothing or merged to a smaller fine only ticket.

I would go to court by yourself, talk to prosecuter and see what he can merge them down to. if your not happy with what he gets it down to, you can then claim you need a lawyer and postpone the case.

Insurance charges over time should be factored in too, if they don't just flat drop him.

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 06:45 PM
While you can do that, its not going to do anything for you. The judge and prosecutor are going to want to rail you. If the cop shows up for court, eek.

S.J.SLEEPER
12-11-2011, 06:47 PM
I agree with anyone who says get a lawyer. Can someone explain to me why he should have ran?

or is this sarcasm im having trouble reading lol

as for the "running" thing... Ive done it. but years ago. wouldnt do it now due to the cameras in their cars. they can have the video zoomed in to get your plate.

if he had run, he could have probly got away. @ 114mph...by the time cop got his car in D and pulled onto highway he wuda been a mile down the road already. ( 120mph = 1 mile in 30sec)

S.J.SLEEPER
12-11-2011, 06:51 PM
Insurance charges over time should be factored in too, if they don't just flat drop him.

While you can do that, its not going to do anything for you. The judge and prosecutor are going to want to rail you. If the cop shows up for court, eek.

With those tickets... he's not walkin outa there w/out points....even with Jonny Cochran as his lawyer.

I didn't say Not to get a lawyer, just told him to see what he can get done by himself first. I have done it and got 3 tickets all point tickets knocked down to fines only, but I have also gone and got no luck therefore postponing and hiring a lawyer.

PolarBear
12-11-2011, 06:51 PM
You are facing imprisonment with a reckless driving ticket.

No he isn't. I got one of those, not a big deal but the POS judge tricked me. I lost my license for 60 days. Not a big deal but that is most likely what will happen if you dont get a lawyer, the other tickets were to get you to plead guilty on the reckless and speeding and they will probably drop the rest.

Lawyer will be able to get the speeding and reckless reduced and the other 3 dropped. Will save you money in the long run.

Camvill
12-11-2011, 06:55 PM
ok thanks for the pointers im going to look into a lawyer. Being that I'm young if i go and talk to the prosecutor by myself it's not going to do much.

r0nin89
12-11-2011, 07:08 PM
No he isn't. I got one of those, not a big deal but the POS judge tricked me. I lost my license for 60 days. Not a big deal but that is most likely what will happen if you dont get a lawyer, the other tickets were to get you to plead guilty on the reckless and speeding and they will probably drop the rest.

Lawyer will be able to get the speeding and reckless reduced and the other 3 dropped. Will save you money in the long run.

Since when is a reckless facing jail time. I got a reckless knocked down to a careless when I was 17 simply by showing up in court with my mother (I was underage), dressed nice, and super respectful and regretful.

Now im not saying thats gonna work with how bad they threw the book at you. That being said its time to lawyer up.

Someone more familiar with the court system can tell you better but you may be able to show for court, speak with the prosecutor and see their position and what theyre willing to do and if you dont like it you may be able to request an extension wanting to hire a lawyer.

spina74
12-11-2011, 07:13 PM
So I made some bad life choices today. Got off an on ramp and decided to open it up (like most of us do) and got up there in speed. My radar went off at the last possible moment and a cop was sitting over a small hill in a ditch so no one could see him. I immediately pulled over even before he started his car to chase me down. Needless to say this is what I received.

39:3-74 Obstruction of vision (radar detector)
39:3-33 improper display of plates (i have a bracket around the back plate)
39:4-96 Reckless Driving
39:4-98 Speeding in excess of 30-34 mph (114mph in a 65)
39:4-88A Traffic on marked lanes-nearest right lane (driving in the left lane when no one was in the right lane)

Before you leave me messages like "stop breaking the law jackass" etc... I know I was wrong and I'm probably going to be selling my car because of this. It's too tempting to speed. What would you do in this situation? Thanks in advance.

what town was the highway running through?

Camvill
12-11-2011, 07:17 PM
my brothers a federal police officer? But i dont see how that would help?

Camvill
12-11-2011, 07:18 PM
what town was the highway running through?

Mantua township on 55

qwikz28
12-11-2011, 07:20 PM
Since when is a reckless facing jail time. I got a reckless knocked down to a careless when I was 17 simply by showing up in court with my mother (I was underage), dressed nice, and super respectful and regretful.

Now im not saying thats gonna work with how bad they threw the book at you. That being said its time to lawyer up.

Someone more familiar with the court system can tell you better but you may be able to show for court, speak with the prosecutor and see their position and what theyre willing to do and if you dont like it you may be able to request an extension wanting to hire a lawyer.

See below:

39:4-96. Reckless driving; punishment

39:4-96. A person who drives a vehicle heedlessly, in willful or wanton disregard of the rights or safety of others, in a manner so as to endanger, or be likely to endanger, a person or property, shall be guilty of reckless driving and be punished by imprisonment in the county or municipal jail for a period of not more than 60 days, or by a fine of not less than $50.00 or more than $200.00, or both.

On a second or subsequent conviction he shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than three months, or by a fine of not less than $100 or more than $500, or both.

S.J.SLEEPER
12-11-2011, 07:28 PM
:popcorn:

WildBillyT
12-11-2011, 07:29 PM
:popcorn:

Ha. I was looking for a larger animated pic of this. Popcorn indeed.

S.J.SLEEPER
12-11-2011, 07:33 PM
we need a "cricket" one, for when someone sets things straight on a thread and then everyone has nothing to say, ie: "hearing nothin but crickets"

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 07:38 PM
ahahha

LTb1ow
12-11-2011, 07:39 PM
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss145/chatterbug70/cute/crickets.gif

Squirrel
12-11-2011, 07:49 PM
I agree with anyone who says get a lawyer. Can someone explain to me why he should have ran?

or is this sarcasm im having trouble reading lol

not sarcasm at all, deciding to run or not is a big decision that is all situational, gotta factor in distance, speed, car, time of day, how many cops are on duty ATM, how well you know the area youre in, if theres a chance a camera could have hit you, the pursuit law in that city, etc.

sweetbmxrider
12-11-2011, 07:52 PM
seems legit.

Demonicbird00
12-11-2011, 08:25 PM
sounds like you got on 55n from the exit 50 and got popped right down the street :)

get a lawyer....might lose your license for the speed

-brandon

BonzoHansen
12-11-2011, 08:35 PM
not sarcasm at all, deciding to run or not is a big decision that is all situational, gotta factor in distance, speed, car, time of day, how many cops are on duty ATM, how well you know the area youre in, if theres a chance a camera could have hit you, the pursuit law in that city, etc.i assume you are kidding, our being super troll. Not sure.

Running is the single most selfish and dangerous thing that one can do. It's flat out stupid. The risk/reward is awful. This isn't 1950 or hazard county


OP, lawyer up.

B4C
12-11-2011, 08:35 PM
Mantua township on 55

That was dumb to do on rt 55. Get a lawyer, and reschedual your court date in hopes that the officer cannot make the reschdual date.

69BirdX
12-11-2011, 08:59 PM
Running is the single most selfish and dangerous thing that one can do. It's flat out stupid. The risk/reward is awful. This isn't 1950 or hazard county


OP, lawyer up.

Agreed!!!!!!

WayFast84
12-11-2011, 09:39 PM
Get the records of the radar that flocked you, maybe it hasn't been serviced in a while and can help you out..lawyer for sure though. http://www.bettercallsaul.com/

Camvill
12-11-2011, 11:33 PM
im going to try and call a few lawyers tomorrow and see what i can do thanks

Squirrel
12-11-2011, 11:41 PM
i assume you are kidding, our being super troll. Not sure.

Running is the single most selfish and dangerous thing that one can do. It's flat out stupid. The risk/reward is awful. This isn't 1950 or hazard county


OP, lawyer up.

Well, i respectfully disagree :)

Camvill
12-12-2011, 02:47 AM
I just noticed on the ticket that it says i was speeding in excess of 30-34mph... But in reality he wrote down i was doing 114 in a 65 which is 49mph over the limit....Don't tickets get thrown out if the information is incorrect?

sweetbmxrider
12-12-2011, 07:18 AM
No, that's him giving you a ****ing break.

NJ Torque
12-12-2011, 07:22 AM
It doesnt matter if the officer can show up or not, thats irrelevant to the case.

I've got a traffic lawyer, much less then $1000. . .Maybe cuase I've never had a situation as severe as this?

BonzoHansen
12-12-2011, 08:56 AM
I'm not calling this office the patron saint of breaks. 39:4-88A Traffic on marked lanes-nearest right lane - really? They won't give that ticket to the idiots doing 60 in the *left lane who it is designed for.


*I meant left

WildBillyT
12-12-2011, 09:03 AM
I'm not calling this office the patron saint of breaks. 39:4-88A Traffic on marked lanes-nearest right lane - really? They won't give that ticket to the idiots doing 60 in the right lane who it is designed for.

I pulled my other post. He was not cutting a break in this case. You got the top tier speeding ticket and he included your real speed in there since you were faster than 34 over in a 65.

PolarBear
12-12-2011, 09:47 AM
really? They won't give that ticket to the idiots doing 60 in the right lane who it is designed for.

Wrong! The right lane(s) are designed for EVERYBODY, the law says KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. There are no exceptions for this and IMO this ticket should be handed out like candy. Then maybe the ashats that decide to get in the middle lane and left lanes would realize They are not supposed to ride over there

BonzoHansen
12-12-2011, 09:52 AM
Wrong! The Left lane(s) are designed for EVERYBODY, the law says KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. There are no exceptions for this and IMO this ticket should be handed out like candy. Then maybe the ashats that decide to get in the middle lane and left lanes would realize They are not supposed to ride over there

Please. I meant left lane. right was a typo, I had stay to the right on the mind. they even have a few KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS signs on 295. I meant they never give that ticket the the left lane larries who deserve it.

sweetbmxrider
12-12-2011, 10:02 AM
I pulled my other post. He was not cutting a break in this case. You got the top tier speeding ticket and he included your real speed in there since you were faster than 34 over in a 65.

I believe there is a box for "other" in terms of speed or its just an open area to write in. I also believe there is a spot to just write in the observed speed and then they check the range it falls in.

PolarBear
12-12-2011, 10:06 AM
Please. I meant left lane. right was a typo, I had stay to the right on the mind. they even have a few KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS signs on 295. I meant they never give that ticket the the left lane larries who deserve it.

I know what you meant, and I mean EVERYONE who rides in the left lane(s) deserves a ticket, the only "acceptable" time IMO is when all 3 lanes are full, i.e. during high traffic times.

qwikz28
12-12-2011, 10:19 AM
I know what you meant, and I mean EVERYONE who rides in the left lane(s) deserves a ticket, the only "acceptable" time IMO is when all 3 lanes are full, i.e. during high traffic times.

Slightly off topic, but I have a theory about this. I notice that when I get stuck behind someone in the left lane, I end up getting frustrated and doing some maneuver, which can sometimes be quite aggressive, to pass the offending left-lane hog. If the police enforced the left lane laws like you want them to, I am willing to bet that there will be a decrease in people driving recklessly, and doing risky lane switches. The police would stand to benefit too from increased ticket revenue from the stay right tickets AND the speeding tickets from idiots who try and take advantage of the empty left lanes. Win-win.

BonzoHansen
12-12-2011, 10:29 AM
Yes I agree Jake.

I know what you meant, and I mean EVERYONE who rides in the left lane(s) deserves a ticket, the only "acceptable" time IMO is when all 3 lanes are full, i.e. during high traffic times.

Ok I guess I don't know why I was Wrong! in complaining they don't give that ticket to the left lane larries more. But we are off topic so we should stop and I will berate you in person on Tuesday. :mrgreen:

sweetbmxrider
12-12-2011, 10:35 AM
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WayFast84
12-12-2011, 10:44 AM
I pulled my other post. He was not cutting a break in this case. You got the top tier speeding ticket and he included your real speed in there since you were faster than 34 over in a 65.
Qft

A break wouldn't be all of those tickets...

sweetbmxrider
12-12-2011, 10:50 AM
49 over to 30-34 is a break.....

qwikz28
12-12-2011, 11:05 AM
49 over to 30-34 is a mistake.....

Yeah. But the question now is, which one will the officer claim in court.

Squirrel
12-12-2011, 11:43 AM
Not to be a dick, but what color and how many miles are on it?

BonzoHansen
12-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Not to be a dick, but what color and how many miles are on it?

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58125

sweetbmxrider
12-12-2011, 01:22 PM
Yeah. But the question now is, which one will the officer claim in court.

Like NJ Torque said, the cop doesn't have to be there and most don't go. The prosecutor acts on the cops behalf yada yada. Have you never gotten a ticket where the officer said, "I'm only going to write you for 55 in a 45...."? He got a break. I have no idea what happens if you are in excess of 34mph over the posted speed limit, but I'm sure its not good. Also, was this in a 65mph zone where the fines are doubled? That will not be a good day for you in court.

Syzygy
12-12-2011, 01:46 PM
I got nailed for 149 in a 65 safe corridor. Oops. Got it reduced to 9 over the limit. The cop was a nice guy who resembled Arcot Ramathorn.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said here or anything but, I'm sure you can have those charges greatly reduced. Just be polite, you are in the wrong here. Nothing to argue.

sweetbmxrider
12-12-2011, 01:54 PM
......:shock:

BullittSVT
12-12-2011, 02:13 PM
I got nailed for 149 in a 65 safe corridor. Oops. Got it reduced to 9 over the limit. The cop was a nice guy who resembled Arcot Ramathorn.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said here or anything but, I'm sure you can have those charges greatly reduced. Just be polite, you are in the wrong here. Nothing to argue.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100329/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg

What did the officer put down as weather conditions etc... ?

fmybody
12-12-2011, 02:40 PM
as for the "running" thing... Ive done it. but years ago. wouldnt do it now due to the cameras in their cars. they can have the video zoomed in to get your plate.

if he had run, he could have probly got away. @ 114mph...by the time cop got his car in D and pulled onto highway he wuda been a mile down the road already. ( 120mph = 1 mile in 30sec)

hahaha good point.

Squirrel
12-12-2011, 02:54 PM
I got nailed for 149 in a 65 safe corridor. Oops. Got it reduced to 9 over the limit. The cop was a nice guy who resembled Arcot Ramathorn.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said here or anything but, I'm sure you can have those charges greatly reduced. Just be polite, you are in the wrong here. Nothing to argue.

You shouldnt have gotten a ticket at all, at that point youre mostly likely going to jail either way, might as well make it exciting

Syzygy
12-12-2011, 03:02 PM
http://img.techpowerup.org/100329/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg

What did the officer put down as weather conditions etc... ?

Dry/Light/Clear. I did it around 1pm on rt18 N in 2005. I did not see the officer. It turns out he was on the southbound side and crossed the median in his Durango. He caught me about a half mile after I took my off-ramp. Had I seen him turning around I would have taken a couple of turns and more than likely gotten away with my actions as I was out of sight of the officer for an extended period of time. He was really trying to get me for racing (I was speeding along side a friend) but I denied that and he had no proof.

I have accrued many tickets over the years, but that one sticks out.

BonzoHansen
12-12-2011, 03:05 PM
You shouldnt have gotten a ticket at all, at that point youre mostly likely going to jail either way, might as well make it exciting

:rolleyes:

WildBillyT
12-12-2011, 03:06 PM
:rolleyes:

Hey, Jake and Elwood had a ****in blast. Why not go for it?

Squirrel
12-12-2011, 03:27 PM
Hey, Jake and Elwood had a ****in blast. Why not go for it?

Exactly, if you get caught just say youre on a mission from god... extra points if youre wearing a tebow jersey

WildBillyT
12-12-2011, 03:34 PM
Exactly, if you get caught just say youre on a mission from god... extra points if youre wearing a tebow jersey

x10 modifier if you are drinking an orange whip

j0n
12-12-2011, 03:46 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/2277663596_7fb0299734.jpg

Frosty
12-12-2011, 04:30 PM
As everyone else said lawyer up...even though they're soulless people they still have a use in society.

Better talk to someone in the know instead of the internet.

At least you're not trying to make excuses or downplay the severity. Good luck man, you're gonna need it.

One thing though, you can't have a license plate bracket in NJ? WTFBBQ

98CamaroSS
12-12-2011, 04:52 PM
Get a lawyer for sure, I got a reckless back in the early 80's for street racing and lost my license for a year(no lawyer). :cry: Plea it down to careless driving if possible. :wink: GL in court. :nod:

fmybody
12-12-2011, 05:09 PM
As everyone else said lawyer up...even though they're soulless people they still have a use in society.

Better talk to someone in the know instead of the internet.

At least you're not trying to make excuses or downplay the severity. Good luck man, you're gonna need it.

One thing though, you can't have a license plate bracket in NJ? WTFBBQ

nope nothing around the plate... learned that a couple years ago, my gf's dad is a cop. That is something they hit you with when they just want to get you for everything.

I've worked with ex cops who said they've given tickets to people for having dirty license plates just when they wanna let them have it.. for people with attitudes and stuff...

Frosty
12-12-2011, 09:49 PM
That's so f'in retarded.

fbirdfreak
12-12-2011, 10:01 PM
Lol frosty you can get tickets for everything, it's kind of just a thing cops can throw at you. For example:

Having any lettering of your license plate covered (that includes the New Jersey and Garden State letterings) or have a dirty plate: Unclear license plate
Having something hanging from the rear view mirror: Obstruction of vision
Not enough tread on your tires: Unsafe vehicle
Not wearing a seatbelt
Headlights out (or any light on your car for that matter)
No turn signal
rolling through a stop sign (that one's 5 points)

Frosty
12-12-2011, 10:03 PM
All of the other ones are legitimate ;)

fbirdfreak
12-12-2011, 10:11 PM
All of the other ones are legitimate ;)

lol yeah having my black ice air freshener hanging from my rearview is really making it hard to see out the windshield :moon:

BonzoHansen
12-12-2011, 10:16 PM
lol yeah having my black ice air freshener hanging from my rearview is really making it hard to see out the windshield :moon:

yet technically illegal

sweetbmxrider
12-13-2011, 07:11 AM
I pulled my other post. He was not cutting a break in this case. You got the top tier speeding ticket and he included your real speed in there since you were faster than 34 over in a 65.I believe there is a box for "other" in terms of speed or its just an open area to write in. I also believe there is a spot to just write in the observed speed and then they check the range it falls in.

I just verified that you are actually correct. They have to write speeding _____ in a _____ zone then check the amount over under that. 30-34 is the highest. OP is ****ed.

88WS-6
12-13-2011, 10:28 AM
Needless to say this is what I received.

39:3-74 Obstruction of vision (radar detector)
39:3-33 improper display of plates (i have a bracket around the back plate)
39:4-96 Reckless Driving
39:4-98 Speeding in excess of 30-34 mph (114mph in a 65)
39:4-88A Traffic on marked lanes-nearest right lane (driving in the left lane when no one was in the right lane)



Sorry that I'm late to this... I'm only quoting the first post to point out that the 1st two infractions will be dropped if you show up to court. Like a few other people said, those are for cops to give out when they don't like you. The last one can be a judgment call, it could stick but many times it gets dropped too.

If you care to indulge me, what was the first thing the officer said to you when you pulled over? Did he ask for your official vehicle documents or just demand you get out of the car? What was the total time you were on the side of the road? Were there any cars around you? Anywhere? Any school buses or tractor trailers? Were you handcuffed? Were you released to drive under your own power?

In case you guys aren't aware, every ticket has a log book with it describing EVERYTHING the officer can think of at the time. This is so if he has to go to your court date three months later he has something to jog his memory and/or so the prosecutor gets a better idea of what happened. Nowadays its even easier for them to do this with their Tough Book computer in the squad car.

First go to court and see what the prosecutor says. You have the right to a court appointed attorney and at that point you can say "No, I'll get my own." The case will be rescheduled and you can lawyer up. Tell your lawyer everything that happened and everything the cop said. Write it all down NOW somewhere so you don't forget any details. It is the officer's job to explain every infraction to you and how you violated it or it can be thrown out.

If you play your cards right, I could see it knocked down to careless driving but I'm thinking you will have a hefty fine of maybe $1-2k (ask for community service) and a loss of license for a few months. That's best case, but I'm not familiar with how the municipality in Mantua works on these cases. One thing you can do is go to the library and look up that municipality's records of how many cases similar were dropped or plead down. You can get an idea of how yours will play out and you could use it as evidence for trend setting.

Sorry you're in this situation, but there's no one else to blame.

79T/A
12-14-2011, 08:52 AM
LAWYER.

Mark B
12-14-2011, 03:24 PM
Did this happen in NJ?

Anti_Rice_Guy
12-14-2011, 03:26 PM
Did this happen in NJ?

:nod: OP said Rt 55 in Mantua somewhere in the thread

Camvill
12-14-2011, 11:31 PM
Sorry that I'm late to this... I'm only quoting the first post to point out that the 1st two infractions will be dropped if you show up to court. Like a few other people said, those are for cops to give out when they don't like you. The last one can be a judgment call, it could stick but many times it gets dropped too.

If you care to indulge me, what was the first thing the officer said to you when you pulled over? Did he ask for your official vehicle documents or just demand you get out of the car? What was the total time you were on the side of the road? Were there any cars around you? Anywhere? Any school buses or tractor trailers? Were you handcuffed? Were you released to drive under your own power?

In case you guys aren't aware, every ticket has a log book with it describing EVERYTHING the officer can think of at the time. This is so if he has to go to your court date three months later he has something to jog his memory and/or so the prosecutor gets a better idea of what happened. Nowadays its even easier for them to do this with their Tough Book computer in the squad car.

First go to court and see what the prosecutor says. You have the right to a court appointed attorney and at that point you can say "No, I'll get my own." The case will be rescheduled and you can lawyer up. Tell your lawyer everything that happened and everything the cop said. Write it all down NOW somewhere so you don't forget any details. It is the officer's job to explain every infraction to you and how you violated it or it can be thrown out.

If you play your cards right, I could see it knocked down to careless driving but I'm thinking you will have a hefty fine of maybe $1-2k (ask for community service) and a loss of license for a few months. That's best case, but I'm not familiar with how the municipality in Mantua works on these cases. One thing you can do is go to the library and look up that municipality's records of how many cases similar were dropped or plead down. You can get an idea of how yours will play out and you could use it as evidence for trend setting.

Sorry you're in this situation, but there's no one else to blame.


asked for documents, looked around the car, asked why i was going that fast, went away for 5 mins, proceeded to hand me 5 tickets.....sped off

Frosty
12-14-2011, 11:38 PM
Just curious, what was your answer when he asked why you were going that fast? I don't know how I'd respond after getting nailed for doing 110+ mph

sweetbmxrider
12-15-2011, 07:08 AM
5 minutes and 5 tickets? I think he writes faster than you drive.

JerzLT1
12-15-2011, 07:15 AM
I only go that fast on my bike so i wouldnt know what to do being pulled over for that speed

Featherburner
12-15-2011, 07:23 AM
I only go that fast on my bike so i wouldnt know what to do being pulled over for that speedOn the track, right?

JerzLT1
12-15-2011, 07:29 AM
On the track, right?

Yup i trap 145 in the 1/4 ;)

LTb1ow
12-15-2011, 11:31 AM
Wait, why would you have been pulled over on the track?

JerzLT1
12-15-2011, 12:29 PM
I only go that fast on my bike so i wouldnt know what to do being pulled over for that speed

Wait, why would you have been pulled over on the track?

I wouldnt...hence not knowing what to do...

Featherburner
12-15-2011, 01:32 PM
Wait, why would you have been pulled over on the track?Track Police!:lol:

fmybody
12-15-2011, 02:52 PM
5 minutes and 5 tickets? I think he writes faster than you drive.

lolz. they usually take their sweet time to torture you more.. when I used to get pulled over alot I would be convinced that if he didnt come right back with my paperwork that he was filling a ticket out.. worked like that most of the time... not all of the time tho

Noodles
12-15-2011, 03:35 PM
Cop was having a bad day adding all that **** to your already severely expensive offense.

dugeman
12-15-2011, 03:35 PM
Appears you had to run into a cop who hadn't had sex in quite some time,because it looks like he tried to screw you as much as he could! Plead ISANITY !!!!!

Noodles
12-15-2011, 03:38 PM
Idk what's wreckless about speeding in a car built to go fast safely...

I will say the one time I got a really bad ticket (4ish years ago) I got a speeding ticket and it came with CARELESS. Which makes sense for the infraction. But wreckless?? The cop is trolling you man. Bring a lawyer.

madness410
12-15-2011, 04:12 PM
did you think it was a bad decision at 113 or did it take you to get clocked at 114 to realize it was a bad decision. you're lucky you didn't kill anybody. people I care about travel the same roads you did this on.

best of luck to you whichever path you decide to take but the lesson you learn from this (if you choose to) to not do it again could save other lives or even your own.

Featherburner
12-15-2011, 04:41 PM
Cop was having a bad day adding all that **** to your already severely expensive offense.Looks to me like he was having a great day! It's not every day an idiot like this comes by.


Idk what's wreckless about speeding in a car built to go fast safely....Do you have any idea how long it takes to stop from 114 mph?


I will say the one time I got a really bad ticket (4ish years ago) I got a speeding ticket and it came with CARELESS. Which makes sense for the infraction. But wreckless?? The cop is trolling you man. Bring a lawyer.Are you for real? The cop is trolling him? In a lot of other states he would have been arrested on the spot! I'm surprised he wasn't.


PS, it's reckless not wreckless.

69BirdX
12-15-2011, 04:42 PM
Idk what's wreckless about speeding in a car built to go fast safely...

I will say the one time I got a really bad ticket (4ish years ago) I got a speeding ticket and it came with CARELESS. Which makes sense for the infraction. But wreckless?? The cop is trolling you man. Bring a lawyer.

Are you serious with that first comment. I'm pretty sure he got wreckless because he was being wreckless. He's lucky he didnt end up in the back of the cruiser and the car getting towed

WayFast84
12-15-2011, 05:09 PM
Wow, all of you need to relax, 114 isn't THAT bad especially when unnamed members her admitted to getting pulled over at 140, going 170(with gps recognition) and people admitting to running. The man already knows he made a mistake don't crucify him...

LTb1ow
12-15-2011, 05:34 PM
Wow, all of you need to relax, 114 isn't THAT bad especially when unnamed members her admitted to getting pulled over at 140, going 170(with gps recognition) and people admitting to running. The man already knows he made a mistake don't crucify him...

114 isnt bad?

Fbody brakes are horrid, and have horrible brake fade, and furthermore stock Fbodies suck at high speed swerving.

What are you on and send me some.

sweetbmxrider
12-15-2011, 05:46 PM
lolz. they usually take their sweet time to torture you more.. when I used to get pulled over alot I would be convinced that if he didnt come right back with my paperwork that he was filling a ticket out.. worked like that most of the time... not all of the time tho

HAHAHAHA SAME! Very rarely did a cop come back within a few minutes and have a ticket. I think sometimes they start filling it out, come up to your door to collect the info, and then fill in the blanks and come back with a ticket :lol:

WayFast84
12-15-2011, 08:25 PM
114 isnt bad?

Fbody brakes are horrid, and have horrible brake fade, and furthermore stock Fbodies suck at high speed swerving.

What are you on and send me some.
A sports car going 114 is so baaad. Coming from a guy who
Dmax pwnz car trailers btw, lulz @ me passing you fools doing 70

LTb1ow
12-15-2011, 08:29 PM
Yes, 5 mph over posted speed limit equates to 114 in a 65.

You and your logic. Impeccable as always.

69BirdX
12-15-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm not attacking the Op. Just attacking the comment about it not being wreckless. It's absolutely positively wreckless.

WildBillyT
12-15-2011, 09:49 PM
Idk what's wreckless about speeding in a car built to go fast safely...

I will say the one time I got a really bad ticket (4ish years ago) I got a speeding ticket and it came with CARELESS. Which makes sense for the infraction. But wreckless?? The cop is trolling you man. Bring a lawyer.

Are you serious with that first comment. I'm pretty sure he got wreckless because he was being wreckless. He's lucky he didnt end up in the back of the cruiser and the car getting towed

A sports car going 114 is so baaad. Coming from a guy who

Combine the condition of the road and the skill level of the driver in this situation (of us all in this case, this is not a bash) and it's easily reckless driving. Careless is making a mistake because you are dumb or not thinking. Reckless is doing something dangerous on purpose.

WRECKLESS is not getting in to a wreck. So yes, this was wreckless in that he did not crash.

69BirdX
12-15-2011, 09:54 PM
Combine the condition of the road and the skill level of the driver in this situation (of us all in this case, this is not a bash) and it's easily reckless driving. Careless is making a mistake because you are dumb or not thinking. Reckless is doing something dangerous on purpose.

WRECKLESS is not getting in to a wreck. So yes, this was wreckless in that he did not crash.

Haha I thought I had that wrong. Meh stupid but I also know when I'm being reckless

WayFast84
12-15-2011, 10:33 PM
Yes, 5 mph over posted speed limit equates to 114 in a 65.

You and your logic. Impeccable as always.

Speeding with a loaded car trailer and your talking about braking man.. oh yeah and 55mph is the limit uhaul sets. FYI...

WayFast84
12-15-2011, 10:59 PM
Combine the condition of the road and the skill level of the driver in this situation (of us all in this case, this is not a bash) and it's easily reckless driving. Careless is making a mistake because you are dumb or not thinking. Reckless is doing something dangerous on purpose.

WRECKLESS is not getting in to a wreck. So yes, this was wreckless in that he did not crash.

I don't disagree with the op being wrong and dangerous. I don't disagree with the tickets(except the bs tag,and rearview).

trashman01
12-16-2011, 04:08 AM
Speeding with a loaded car trailer and your talking about braking man.. oh yeah and 55mph is the limit uhaul sets. FYI...

uhaul sets that as a limit cause their trailers are usually in poor conidition and dont want any blame for wreck caused by that or a blow out. if you ever get a trailer with the tires looking shady, refuse it

btw 114 is never ok, but im sure most of us have pulled away from a stop sign once or twice, did about 50 in a 25, hell back home there is a school speed limit sign that reads 15mph, well at 2am there is no kids and when i was younger and dumber i use to float up that road doing 45

LTb1ow
12-16-2011, 06:33 AM
Speeding with a loaded car trailer and your talking about braking man.. oh yeah and 55mph is the limit uhaul sets. FYI...

Truck was and is overkill for towing a light fbod on a dual axle trailer. Was not issue with braking so, not sure what your point is here. Furthermore, that was posted after I had dropped the car off at home and went to return an EMPTY two axle trailer behind a friggen 12,000lb tow capacity truck. Your point is invalid and you look silly.

Rather than stay behind someone going well below the speed limit they were passed as to not tailgate them and that was that.

Continue to grasp at straws using me as your only argument that 114mph in an fbod is safe.

Mike
12-16-2011, 10:00 AM
Idk what's wreckless about speeding in a car built to go fast safely...

I will say the one time I got a really bad ticket (4ish years ago) I got a speeding ticket and it came with CARELESS. Which makes sense for the infraction. But wreckless?? The cop is trolling you man. Bring a lawyer.

im not sure what you mean by built to go fast safely, so please elaborate prior to me ripping your point of view to shreds.

Mike
12-16-2011, 10:04 AM
Speeding with a loaded car trailer and your talking about braking man.. oh yeah and 55mph is the limit uhaul sets. FYI...

truck has brakes, trailer has brakes.... probably stops faster from 70 than the stockish f-body would have from 114.

gain some experience towing, then comment on how to tow

BonzoHansen
12-16-2011, 10:12 AM
truck has brakes, trailer has brakes.... probably stops faster from 70 than the stockish f-body would have from 114.

gain some experience towing, then comment on how to tow

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PolarBear
12-16-2011, 10:40 AM
Idk what's wreckless about speeding in a car built to go fast safely...


When you are going SO fast that the posted speeding fines/offenses dont cover the excess speed you are traveling you are, in fact, being RECKLESS. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, TRICKED BY THE JUDGE, LOSS OF LICENSE FOR 60 DAYS!

What is wrong with your brain that you can not comprehend that excess SPEED is not safe no matter where you are or how the car was built? I remember you didnt comprehend this years ago and I had a problem then. No matter what you do to the car or how it is "built" going fast is DANGEROUS. Just ask Dale Earnhardt. NASCAR car is built in to mitigate accidents/crashes damage at speed but he still died. This is a relatively controlled environment, nothing like driving on the street where there could be any number of things that could happen unforeseen.

You and others around you can still get hurt when you dont follow the posted speed limits regardless of what you think the car can do.

WildBillyT
12-16-2011, 10:55 AM
When you are going SO fast that the posted speeding fines/offenses dont cover the excess speed you are traveling you are, in fact, being RECKLESS. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, TRICKED BY THE JUDGE, LOSS OF LICENSE FOR 60 DAYS!

What is wrong with your brain that you can not comprehend that excess SPEED is not safe no matter where you are or how the car was built? I remember you didnt comprehend this years ago and I had a problem then. No matter what you do to the car or how it is "built" going fast is DANGEROUS. Just ask Dale Earnhardt. NASCAR car is built in to mitigate accidents/crashes damage at speed but he still died. This is a relatively controlled environment, nothing like driving on the street where there could be any number of things that could happen unforeseen.

You and others around you can still get hurt when you dont follow the posted speed limits regardless of what you think the car can do.

E = 1/2mv^2

BonzoHansen
12-16-2011, 11:07 AM
All it takes is a blow out or other mishap to send a car into the grass median, where stopping at 100+ is impossible. Until you land in the the lanes and kill someone coming head on. That is the reason why they are now installing guardrails in medians on the big highways all over.

For the most part, yeah, we've all done dumb things, no one is a saint, and we all know it was reckless. Even the OP acknowledges that.

LTb1ow
12-16-2011, 11:43 AM
Has any one suggested running to mexico yet? If not, do that.

Frosty
12-16-2011, 11:54 AM
im not sure what you mean by built to go fast safely, so please elaborate prior to me ripping your point of view to shreds.

I think what he meant is that it's "safer" to travel that fast in a LS1 Fbody than...say maybe a Hyundai Elantra? I don't know...that's what I'm thinking he meant.

Mike
12-16-2011, 12:01 PM
I think what he meant is that it's "safer" to travel that fast in a LS1 Fbody than...say maybe a Hyundai Elantra? I don't know...that's what I'm thinking he meant.

an elantra has more air bags... so is it?

Frosty
12-16-2011, 12:08 PM
No idea, don't care lol.

I think he meant from a handling standpoint and car's performance standpoint. I guess he'll have to clarify. I'm not defending his point of view.

Featherburner
12-16-2011, 12:21 PM
No idea, don't care lol.

I think he meant from a handling standpoint and car's performance standpoint. I guess he'll have to clarify. I'm not defending his point of view.There is no defence for his point of view but I'd like to see him step on his dic..I mean, try!

V
12-17-2011, 11:47 AM
quick note to add to this mess of an off-topic thread...
speed does not generally make cars unsafe. especially a mere 114.
I direct your attention to the Autobahn and German roads/driving in general. Even the oldest domestic bmws there can sustain 100+ with no issues, AND the death rate on the autobahn is a fraction of our roads at 2.7 per billion as compared to the US at 4.5 per billion. What DOES make the difference is maintenance of older cars(road-worthiness is decided by a government agency), and upkeep of newer ones, design and construction or roads capable of allowing higher speeds(bends and banking), laws governing speed and lane choice, and most important of all, Drivers ed/Training(which costs around $2,000 and the test asks about mechanical knowledge of vehicles too).

But yes, with that said, for untrained drivers on roads not intended for higher speeds, populated with other drivers also maybe not the best trained in poorer maintained cars... You can make the argument that speed is dangerous. However the generalization that speed kills.... is flawed.

Squirrel
12-17-2011, 03:32 PM
+ 1 on everything paul said... if the driving test was an actual test instead of an exercise, roads would be a LOT safer

sweetbmxrider
12-17-2011, 05:51 PM
1 deer, 1 squirrel, 1 blow out, 1 *******, 1 anything will quickly change that though. I understand your point and agree that many cars and drivers are not up to the task of sustained triple digit travel but I don't think changing that would make the roads safe for that high rate of travel. The roads were not built for that intention.

shadowfire
12-18-2011, 05:34 AM
Get a lawyer!!!!!!!!!!

7998
12-19-2011, 09:46 AM
Find a lawyer that used to be a judge or prosecutor in that town or county, pay through your nose, probably get the 10 points to around 5, keep your license, learn when and where to speed.

fmybody
12-19-2011, 04:04 PM
could possibly do better than that.. When i went to court once they merged 2 separate incidents into 1 court date...

Incident 1: got into an accident by going through a red light
2 point careless (i think),
2 point failure to obey signal and a 5 point

Incident 2: some guy was lost and stopping at every street corner so apparently when i was stopping behind him i was:
5 point fallowing to closely (tailgating)

My dad paid the lawyer (idk how much i think like 800 per ticket) and before we went into court the judge was a substitute and luckily knew my judge personally (kiss on the cheek and all).

They combined my 4 points from the accident into 1 no point unsafe driving
and dropped the tailgaiting ticket

I paid the court fees.. came out to like 500 bucks... this was when i was 18 i think and Im 22 now