MY SS

[shadowfire]

a little clip of my ss

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=290678850962960

[1984camaroz28]

Thats not a 35th Anniversary with an egr intake unless for some reason you took the ls6 intake off.. also whats up with the exhaust??

[shadowfire]

no its a 2000 with a ls6 block and 2800 stall covert. plus cam and a few other things

[shadowfire]

and what do mean by the exhaust

[WildBillyT]

and what do mean by the exhaust

The 45* out-angle is an atypical setup.

[shadowfire]

when i bought the car it was set up that way, but i kinda like it,....

[MyFirstZ]

What cam you end up installing ?
Numbers?

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Nice car, but that dude is a retard. For one, he doesn't talk like he knows what he's talking about, and two, posts a vid and can't even get the yr/model right...:facepalm:

I also wouldn't post a vid of myself beating on a customers car like that in the end of the video. thats just bad business.

[shadowfire]

What cam you end up installing ?
Numbers?

Here is my cam card:
COMP CAMS

engine:ls6 XR265hr-15
grind number: ls6 XR265Hr-15

intake exhaust

valve adjustment hyd hyd
gross valve lift .558 .563
duration @
.oo6 tappet lift 265 271
vale timing open close
@ .006 int: 18 btdc 68 abdc
exh: 71 bbdc 21 atdc
these specs are for cam installed
@ 115.0 intake center line
intake exhaust
duration @ .050 212 218
lobe lift .3280 .3310
lobe separation 115.0

[WayFast84]

**** them, Seriously took a video powersliding in a customers car? Did they do the trans? Isn't that like a redone stock converter? What camshaft was in it before?

[1994lt1]

How is it a 35th SS if its a 2000? :-?

[shadowfire]

its a 2000 ss the guy .. was looking at my third shirt emblems and i guess he thought it was a 35th

[1994lt1]

its a 2000 ss the guy .. was looking at my third shirt emblems and i guess he thought it was a 35th

Ahhh ok. Sense=you making

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Yank that EGR out....

[usp55]

I also wouldn't post a vid of myself beating on a customers car like that in the end of the video. thats just bad business.

+1

and if that was my car I'd be furious seeing the end of that vid.

[shadowfire]

as for the end of the clip its no big deal, it was with old tires on, and camaros are made to take off...

[S.J.SLEEPER]

as for the end of the clip its no big deal, it was with old tires on, and camaros are made to take off...

I know its no big deal to certain people, bad tires , whatnot, and I am sure you are harder on it than he was..

Its the point,priciple, respect for others property and business ethics that I and others don't approve of.
I've beaten the ever livin sh&t out of my cars in the past, but if I seen that dude do that to my car Id be f'n livid over it.

[shadowfire]

ok np ,,, all i want to do is have a wicked evil street car,, i trying the best i can im not super rich but i dont mind putting money into it,,, slowly but surely i will get this car set up,, after that i hope to get a 2000 or 2001 ws6 ....

[band77one]

nice car, but now i know never use that shop since they beat on customer cars.

[shadowfire]

your wrong ,, that "shop" does some of the best work out thier, they are pricey at that is maybe the only reason to stay away from them... now i know that your not allowed to promote ppl shops ... so i wont,, but you can take a look for yourself

[coolmanvette75]

Did they recommend that cam or did you? How "big" did they say that cam was. I have a theory but need to know those answers to prove it...

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Did they recommend that cam or did you? How "big" did they say that cam was. I have a theory but need to know those answers to prove it...

For the reading impaired... :hammer:

Here is my cam card:
COMP CAMS

engine:ls6 XR265hr-15
grind number: ls6 XR265Hr-15

intake exhaust

valve adjustment hyd hyd
gross valve lift .558 .563
duration @
.oo6 tappet lift 265 271
vale timing open close
@ .006 int: 18 btdc 68 abdc
exh: 71 bbdc 21 atdc
these specs are for cam installed
@ 115.0 intake center line
intake exhaust
duration @ .050 212 218
lobe lift .3280 .3310
lobe separation 115.0

[shadowfire]

Did they recommend that cam or did you? How "big" did they say that cam was. I have a theory but need to know those answers to prove it... they did

[shadowfire]

what do you think?

[Tru2Chevy]

It's a pretty small cam.

212 / 218 .558 / .563 @ 115

- Justin

[WayFast84]

I just wanna know the specs of the camshaft that it came with.

[shadowfire]

yes im thinking that ,,, i to more work to this car, but one the money and two,, not sure if my ideas will work... i want to go with 383 stroker kit and 3:73 gears with 12 bolt ... i know iknow i need to use strange, but i dont think i want too... trying to get hopefuly 450 475 hp at the wheels also was looking at 383 supercharged:-? its starting to get upsetting cause ... i feel like my car sucks :-x

[S.J.SLEEPER]

yes im thinking that ,,, i to more work to this car, but one the money and two,, not sure if my ideas will work... i want to go with 383 stroker kit and 3:73 gears with 12 bolt ... i know iknow i need to use strange, but i dont think i want too... trying to get hopefuly 450 475 hp at the wheels also was looking at 383 supercharged:-? its starting to get upsetting cause ... i feel like my car sucks :-x

I can steer you in the right direction for mods to give you the hp you want... you just have to ask, then listen, then follow through.
There is a million parts out there that say hp this and hp that. but you need to pick the correct part combos to give you the results your looking for.

[shadowfire]

I can steer you in the right direction for mods to give you the hp you want... you just have to ask, then listen, then follow through.
There is a million parts out there that say hp this and hp that. but you need to pick the correct part combos to give you the results your looking for.

ok im listening

[S.J.SLEEPER]

ok im listening

pm me your:
hp goals
track time goals
how "streetable" you want the car to be.
give me a list of existing mods
and I'll give you a run down of what you need to buy and do.

[shadowfire]

i did

[coolmanvette75]

It's a pretty small cam.

212 / 218 .558 / .563 @ 115

- Justin

Exactly what I was thinking. If they picked the cam and you said that you wanted a "wicked evil street car" then they are pretty dumb. I know that that shop deals mainly with older muscle cars. That means old school mentality. To them that cam probably seems a lot bigger than it really is...

[shadowfire]

yea so its back to the drawing board,, i just wish i didnt spend all that money

[WildBillyT]

Exactly what I was thinking. If they picked the cam and you said that you wanted a "wicked evil street car" then they are pretty dumb. I know that that shop deals mainly with older muscle cars. That means old school mentality. To them that cam probably seems a lot bigger than it really is...

FWIW my Nova's cam is pretty mild and it's 224/230 @ .050

[coolmanvette75]

yea so its back to the drawing board,, i just wish i didnt spend all that money

This is why you do tons of research before spending any money. Bringing it to a shop (especially one that doesnt specialize in late model motors) usually wont have as good of a result. If you want that shop to do the work on the car, thats fine. But if I were you I would supply them with all of the parts.

[shadowfire]

yea so now im f@#$%ed cause i spent all that money, and i have to rebuild the thing all over and i dont have the cash so i guess it will sit for awhile

[WildBillyT]

yea so now im f@#$%ed cause i spent all that money, and i have to rebuild the thing all over and i dont have the cash so i guess it will sit for awhile

Your money was not spent in vain. There are way worse things that could happen. Just stick around and ask some questions about your next mods :mrgreen::mrgreen:

[1984camaroz28]

yes im thinking that ,,, i to more work to this car, but one the money and two,, not sure if my ideas will work... i want to go with 383 stroker kit and 3:73 gears with 12 bolt ... i know iknow i need to use strange, but i dont think i want too... trying to get hopefuly 450 475 hp at the wheels also was looking at 383 supercharged:-? its starting to get upsetting cause ... i feel like my car sucks :-x

Thats easy with an m6.. Id go 11.5 to 1 comp , 248/248 cam around 630 lift , with a good set of heads should be low 500s , Should be 470ish with an auto

[shadowfire]

ill stick around np just got to wait for money to build up again its slower for me in the winter not as much cash flow

[shadowfire]

Thats easy with an m6.. Id go 11.5 to 1 comp , 248/248 cam around 630 lift , with a good set of heads should be low 500s , Should be 470ish with an auto

ill just have to wait thanks

[1984camaroz28]

If your going to do a new motor do a .402/408

[shadowfire]

If your going to do a new motor do a .402/408

how much do you think that would cost and what work does that entail

[MyFirstZ]

I would enjoy the car still and just wait and save and when the time comes modify it.

408 and forced induction are on my current wishlist. . . just a matter of when

[S.J.SLEEPER]

pm sent
stock block/pistons w/what I suggested will give you what your looking for.

I'm not knocking Charlie, just the expense of a 402/408 isn't really justified unless you plan on going F.I. or on the bottle, as the stock short block can hold 500+ w/out a problem

[1984camaroz28]

pm sent
stock block/pistons w/what I suggested will give you what your looking for.

I'm not knocking Charlie, just the expense of a 402/408 isn't really justified unless you plan on going F.I. or on the bottle, as the stock short block can hold 500+ w/out a problem

475rwhp threw an auto on stock ci will not be very well street mannered. You can build a 408 and make 500rwhp and still drive very well. Stock CI has its limitations.

[1984camaroz28]

how much do you think that would cost and what work does that entail

Depends on how crazy you go and what you want to do for cylinder heads

[coolmanvette75]

475rwhp threw an auto on stock ci will not be very well street mannered. You can build a 408 and make 500rwhp and still drive very well. Stock CI has its limitations.
Not that true. Kirk puts down almost 460 thru his stalled auto on a stock bottom end, runs 10s, and drives the car on the street no problem...

Guess it depends on you opinion on street manners though. It varies for different people...

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Not that true. Kirk puts down almost 460 thru his stalled auto on a stock bottom end, runs 10s, and drives the car on the street no problem...

Guess it depends on you opinion on street manners though. It varies for different people...

^^^^I agree^^^^

also proven 525hp+ @ flywheel (roughly 430-440rwhp) using TFS heads/cam combo which has decent street manners with it tuned properly.

I've also put down 442rwhp with cnc'd heads w/ms3 cam 3800 stall/12bolt and I drove it everywhere without any serious drivability issues.

[WayFast84]

Since this turned to motor talk how much power can the stock crank take? I want to build a shortblock using an iron block, I plan on 440ish n/a and spray a 200 shot if I go this route.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

In the ballpark of a setup you would like.

http://guerragroup.com/2000TA.htm

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Since this turned to motor talk how much power can the stock crank take? I want to build a shortblock using an iron block, I plan on 440ish n/a and spray a 200 shot if I go this route.

Stock Ls crank will hold 1000hp. Its been proven with turbo setups.
Would I push a stock Ls crank to 1000hp? No, but have ran it 700+ for 2yrs.
The stock crack design gm rods only good to about 500-600hp w/arp bolts.

To give you an example:
My 2000 SS w/
stock block,crank,rods,pistons
Heads/Cam package
made 442rwhp & ran a 250hp shot (NX wetkit) for 2 yrs and track'd it almost every weekend + street racing @ night.
Never blew up, Just sold car cause I was building my house.

[WayFast84]

Well that's good to hear. I don't wanna risk it though since my motor has 88k and has had a questionable life. Can you ballpark a machining and assembly cost? I have an idea on the price of parts.

[1984camaroz28]

^^^^I agree^^^^

also proven 525hp+ @ flywheel (roughly 430-440rwhp) using TFS heads/cam combo which has decent street manners with it tuned properly.

I've also put down 442rwhp with cnc'd heads w/ms3 cam 3800 stall/12bolt and I drove it everywhere without any serious drivability issues.

Still missing the point hes looking for 475 rwhp 440 is 35hp shy.... it takes alot to make another 35hp. a 408 will make so much more tq and be so much more street friendly.. It will take a cam in the 250s duration to make that kinda power and i dont think anyone of you guys have drive a cam like that on the street.

[1984camaroz28]

Well that's good to hear. I don't wanna risk it though since my motor has 88k and has had a questionable life. Can you ballpark a machining and assembly cost? I have an idea on the price of parts.

We use MCP on are ls6 heads hes the best with lsx engine. Hes right in your back yard if your interested pm me.

[WayFast84]

I see everyone's point. Everyone understands it is possible and it has been done, but these all out stock short block 475whp set up's are expensive! You really need to know your goals and the budget you have, like would you rather have $1500 in a ported 102/102 n/a or an ls6 intake and a 100shot for a just over half the price of the 102/102?

Pm sent.

[shadowfire]

im trying to stay away from the NOS

[elle]

Good advertisement of where not to go for some upgrades. So who is the guy in the video? It seems he thinks everyone should know him. Good luck on your future goals.

[shadowfire]

can i just not answer you:lol:

[coolmanvette75]

They def look like guy I would trust driving my car...

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=290678850962960#!/video/video.php?v=276339815730197

Seriously why would you post this on the internet...

[shadowfire]

check out the other ones with them drag raceing

[elle]

They def look like guy I would trust driving my car...

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=290678850962960#!/video/video.php?v=276339815730197

Seriously why would you post this on the internet...


:shock:GOOD LORD:shock:

[shadowfire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNbQ8g3TksU&context=C399fabbADOEgsToPDskLhpSTjI4Nm5Gjf-Zj3oVGA

[shadowfire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XcA7j7Crg&context=C3eba17fADOEgsToPDskJEcSgber0dYZwmv-lPAaHK

[shadowfire]

not to be a @#$$%$ but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIE0mCrOlnU&context=C331541bADOEgsToPDskJGJQMnDviymSqCDPd7JJVZ

[shadowfire]

just maybe these guys know what thier doing

[maroman88]

the point everyone was making was that shop beating on customer cars, a test drive is one thing...

[S.J.SLEEPER]

good luck with them, you have already been taken for a ride,so has you car, so mite as well go for another...

p.s. tell the idiot in the video, that the "term" for the wing is kinda umm ohh ahh for holding the car down and uuhhh..... is called DOWNFORCE !!! F&%kin Moron...I can't stand hearing him speak.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

OP, nobody doubted this guy's ability to build cars...it was just that they didn't like he he beats on his customer's cars.

[fbirdfreak]

Will never go there ever.... I flipped on the guy at motor vehicle inspection for just revving it in the station line! That's ridiculous!

[LS1ow]

wow, and i thought i romp on the SRTs here at work. thess guys are shot

[elle]

Well his black jeans date well with the Monza. lol I really hope these videos aren't supposed to be helping his business.

[NJ346]

Still missing the point hes looking for 475 rwhp 440 is 35hp shy.... it takes alot to make another 35hp. a 408 will make so much more tq and be so much more street friendly.. It will take a cam in the 250s duration to make that kinda power and i dont think anyone of you guys have drive a cam like that on the street.

Not trying to knock on you because your right that a 402/408 will make more power while being more streetable with the same cam and heads, but you can build a stock ci longblock for less than a 402/408 shortblock. I don't think the OP will really care about 35 hp when it comes down to the savings of staying stock ci. If you have the $$, definitely go 402/408, but I think staying stock ci is more than enough to make a 10 second streetable car.

[shadowfire]

i guess everyone hate my car and my choice of shop,, if i knew onther place close to me that cost less i would go,, i really feel bad about this, i just wanted to meet ppl who would help me get the best car i could....... :facepalm:

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

i guess everyone hate my car and my choice of shop,, if i knew onther place close to me that cost less i would go,, i really feel bad about this, i just wanted to meet ppl who would help me get the best car i could....... :facepalm:

I don't see anyone hating on your car, only trying to help you get it where you want it.

[elle]

Wait???????? Now i'm confused:-?

I thought you were making fun of the shop and that's why you posted all the vids?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Wait???????? Now i'm confused:-?

I thought you were making fun of the shop and that's why you posted all the vids?

That's the shop who did the work to his car.

[elle]

Yeah, i got that part. I just thought he found out they were a bunch of idiots after they did his car and posted the vids to prove it.

[shadowfire]

Yeah, i got that part. I just thought he found out they were a bunch of idiots after they did his car and posted the vids to prove it.

i thank any one who is try to help , the car needs it and when i get more money ill go back to working on it,, but i think the vids where more about looking at the cars and work the shop does i dont think their idiots at all. they have a rich and diverse set of cars and clients.

also its a big business . i wonder if there are any others out their doing this kind of work or running this kind of business. they most be doing something right because if you got to their two web sites, im seeing very nice cars some are very expansive ... also i have been to shop of course and again the cars and the work they do are way over most ppls head... ....

to be honest its really about what should i do to make my car better so i would be nice to give me some ideas about my car not about the "shop"

thanks

[elle]

gotcha

[townsend]

I saw Ur car sitting outside of there today and me personally id get it the hell outta there ASAP....last shop i went to did stuff like that to my car and tranny fell out two weeks after I got it back. Just sayin...

Otherwise u got a nice car man sounds nice