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[BigAls87Z28]

North American International Auto Show is going on in Detroit right now.

Chevy showed off 2 new concepts today, one RWD one FWD.
Cadillac showed off the ATS, the new 3 series fighter
Tomorrow, Buick is showing off the Encore, a small 5 seat crossover.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/

[BonzoHansen]

The ATS sounds interesting.

[KirkEvil]

No LS10, no care

[WildBillyT]

****.

The American turbo manual trans AWD car I've been waiting for and it's a Caddy. Better start saving my nickels.

I gotta ask though. Any thoughts on MSRP?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I've been following this. ATS really seems like a home run.

130R sounds neat except it looks like an even more awkward brother to the BMW 1 series


I gotta ask though. Any thoughts on MSRP?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :lol:

[WildBillyT]

I've been following this. ATS really seems like a home run.

130R sounds neat except it looks like an even more awkward brother to the BMW 1 series



If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :lol:

Yeah, I'm not ballin with two jetskis and no mortgage.

[LS1ow]

What about dodges news 590hp Charger Redline ? :)

[WildBillyT]

What about dodges news 590hp Charger Redline ? :)

Saw this yesterday at Wegman's:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/double_overdrive496/2a703ef1.jpg

Also very impressive out of the MOPAR camp.

But the ATS seems to fit the practicality role very well. I don't want another car to dump money into and have been very underwhelmed looking for a car I really WANT to replace my beater.

[Blackbirdws6]

ATS looks great IMO. Wonder if they come out with a V.

[LS1ow]

Saw this yesterday at Wegman's:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/double_overdrive496/2a703ef1.jpg
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i see they added the 392 hemi badges, they dont come with them from factory. the SRT8 GC is really something else, its one of the perks of my job:mrgreen:

[sweetbmxrider]

I ****ing hate how your site doesn't resize pics to fit in the allotted viewing area.

[Featherburner]

I'll take a 130R with an LS9 in it!

[V]

there have been "rumors" of an ATS-V coming with a twin turbo v6 making 470hp...

I will most likely be getting a lease on a 2014 ATS(when my Cruze is up), for my daily driver. Preferably the coupe if its out by then.
And depending on finances and which models are available then, I will seriously consider an ATS-V, even if I have to finance it.


And as of now, that ATS is still said to be "pre-production" model so I cant wait till it actually hits the showroom floors.

[WayFast84]

Does anyone else think the 130 coupe looked like a BMW and a Camaro had a baby? I like the 140 s though, if it was fwd and started in the mid teens It would be a huge hit with parents and teens. Scion would actually have competition besides a civic..

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

130R sounds neat except it looks like an even more awkward brother to the BMW 1 series

Does anyone else think the 130 coupe looked like a BMW and a Camaro had a baby?

:bertstare:

[V]

...ill say it... I think the 130R thing is hideous.

[sweetbmxrider]

That one thing definitely has some 5th gen in it.

[BigAls87Z28]

You definitely have cataracts. There couldn't be less 5th gen in that car if it was a 2nd gen.

Tear the roof of the 130 and plop on something with more rake, and you have yourself what will be the 6th gen Camaro, give or take.

Both cars are designed with production in mind.

[88WS-6]

I don't want another car to dump money into and have been very underwhelmed looking for a car I really WANT to replace my beater.

Dibs on the Trans Am if you sell it post Caddy purchase.



Also, we should start a thread of who wants to head up to the NY auto show later in the year. I'm seriously considering it.

[sweetbmxrider]

Take the roof and windows off, very similar side profiles. From the back of the rear wheel to the bumper, looks very very similar.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10292610+w750/112_0809_05z+2010_chevrolet_camaro+side_view.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/719/medium/2012_Concept_006.jpg

http://www.techgatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-Chevrolet-Camaro-Convertible-side-view-1024x680.jpg

[BurninrubberGT]

All they did was screw up a 1 series and slightly redisign a civic coupe

[BigAls87Z28]

I ****ing hate how your site doesn't resize pics to fit in the allotted viewing area.

Remove the sidebar, pictures go full size broseph.

And there will be a V.

[Blacdout96]

I love the Chevy Sonic, trying to ge my wife into one. The 140S concept however, I am salivating, and hope that is the styling they are goign for if it was to come to production, like a mini Cadillac CTSV, but affordable to me :D I love it, and I hope they'd come out with it. I've gotten old enough where the FWD,compact, gas sipping community has grown on me, so this would be a green light for my purchasing future.

[BonzoHansen]

What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies

[V]

I know it won't be cheap. Expect an ATS-V for at least high 40k.

[WildBillyT]

What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies

Seems to me that this small Caddy may be in the midsize SUV price range.

[BonzoHansen]

Yeah, I was thinking Camaro $$ + 10-15% or something.

[V]

Keep in mind a base CTS sedan starts at 35k. (V at 65k)
The ATS will start probably around 28-30k
ok, so maybe the ATS-V will come in 50-60k lol.

[BonzoHansen]

that is what I'm thinking. Actually that is like 20% which is probably a better guess.

[Blacdout96]

What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/Balcdout96/800px-Cadillac_Cimarron_2_--_07-01-2009_jpg.jpg


100% cadillac....er wait...

[BonzoHansen]

^^^considered one of the biggest mistakes in automotive history!!!!

[WildBillyT]

^^^considered one of the biggest mistakes in automotive history!!!!

Yup. I think Pete Estes even said it was a terrible idea at the time before it was developed.

[V]

yea. lol, that was a bad time for Cadillac.

Cadillac only started their climb back to quality in the mid 90s with the creation of the Northstar engine and other assorted technologies. Yes it had its issues too, but it was one of the first to design a motor that could shut down specific cylinders. At the time it was a "limp-home" mode feature when the engine began overheating, not to conserve fuel. The interiors were also a HUGE improvement over the 80's "Cadillacs". I had a 95 STS and it was amazing for the time. Center console dash trim was real wood.

[Blacdout96]

yea. lol, that was a bad time for Cadillac.

Cadillac only started their climb back to quality in the mid 90s with the creation of the Northstar engine and other assorted technologies. Yes it had its issues too, but it was one of the first to design a motor that could shut down specific cylinders. At the time it was a "limp-home" mode feature when the engine began overheating, not to conserve fuel. The interiors were also a HUGE improvement over the 80's "Cadillacs". I had a 95 STS and it was amazing for the time. Center console dash trim was real wood.

Yes, my friend had a late 90/early 2000 cadillac. Was a nice friggin car, but once the northstar gave it problems, he was missing his wallet. Recently priced a idle air control valve for one....300 buck mechanics cost!!

[WildBillyT]

yea. lol, that was a bad time for Cadillac.

Cadillac only started their climb back to quality in the mid 90s with the creation of the Northstar engine and other assorted technologies. Yes it had its issues too, but it was one of the first to design a motor that could shut down specific cylinders. At the time it was a "limp-home" mode feature when the engine began overheating, not to conserve fuel. The interiors were also a HUGE improvement over the 80's "Cadillacs". I had a 95 STS and it was amazing for the time. Center console dash trim was real wood.

I thought the 8-6-4 was built for fuel economy in the very early 80s?

[BigAls87Z28]

I know it won't be cheap. Expect an ATS-V for at least high 40k.

Higher

What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies


Seems to me that this small Caddy may be in the midsize SUV price range.

Yeah, I was thinking Camaro $$ + 10-15% or something.


Keep in mind a base CTS sedan starts at 35k. (V at 65k)
The ATS will start probably around 28-30k
ok, so maybe the ATS-V will come in 50-60k lol.

Expect it to be priced at around 3 series/C class money, as that is what this car is going after.
CTS is lame duck till it moves to Alpha in 2015-2016.

[Blacdout96]

140S is still the sexy one.

[BigAls87Z28]

I do like the 140 over the 130, but the idea of the 130R is attractive.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I do like the 140 over the 130, but the idea of the 130R is attractive.

Key word.

[BigAls87Z28]

If you guys didn't read, they asked a whole bunch of young people what they wanted in a car.
These two were the most popular ideas that they came up with. An exotic looking hatchback, and a more upright RWD sports coupe, starting around 20k.

Both designs were put together by GM's Advanced Design Studio in North Hollywood.

[sweetbmxrider]

Can we get a follow up as to whether or not a single one of those young people buys one?

[WildBillyT]

Can we get a follow up as to whether or not a single one of those young people buys one?

Watch GM make a great car that's semi-affordable... and then insurance companies push them out of reach of the target demographic.

[Blacdout96]

An exotic looking hatchback, and a more upright RWD sports coupe, starting around 20k.



Put the engine in the back of the 140S, and it would fool me as GM's new supercar. I like it alot.

Watch GM make a great car that's semi-affordable... and then insurance companies push them out of reach of the target demographic.

Truth right there.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

If you guys didn't read, they asked a whole bunch of young people what they wanted in a car.
These two were the most popular ideas that they came up with. An exotic looking hatchback, and a more upright RWD sports coupe, starting around 20k.

Both designs were put together by GM's Advanced Design Studio in North Hollywood.

What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.

[Blacdout96]

What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.

Standford,Yale, Princeton, somwhere around those campuses lol.

[sweetbmxrider]

Watch GM make a great car that's semi-affordable... and then insurance companies push them out of reach of the target demographic.

Yeah, can definitely see that happen.

What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.

Standford,Yale, Princeton, somwhere around those campuses lol.

Or someone that's a fan of Bumble Bee :rofl:

[BonzoHansen]

it seems cars designed for young people often backfire. iirc the average element owner is like 55 years old. i know there are some other examples but I can't think of them right now. and scion sales are in the tank.

[NastyEllEssWon]

am i the only hoping to see a revival of the z24/z26 nameplate on these cars :D

[nj85z28]

Al thanks for all the info!! Wish I coulda went this year.

[maroman88]

am i the only hoping to see a revival of the z24/z26 nameplate on these cars :D

Like

[WiMiMc]

Ah if they made the 140 Rear/midmount and RWD, ahhh :drool:
But as is i would drive it, and i prefer my RWD vehicles.

I too love the idea of the 130R, More to work on, but i like the direction.

I also read that they asked younger people what they wanted, which said a modern muscle, with functionality blah blah, hence the fender flares and long hood. about how tall is the 130R? comparable to a 4th gen?

[Featherburner]

am i the only hoping to see a revival of the z24/z26 nameplate on these cars :DNot the name plate but the z26 RPO from the late 60's!:nod:

[BigAls87Z28]

What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.

They didn't say "upright" car...use your brain. They look at cars like the 1 series. Most RWD coupes are tough to look out of, so they wanted something that was a bit more functional, hence the tall and more open greenhouse.
First people say Camaro is too tough to look out of, but realize that if Camaro team listened to people like that, the 5th gen could have been similar to this.

Ah if they made the 140 Rear/midmount and RWD, ahhh :drool:
But as is i would drive it, and i prefer my RWD vehicles.

I too love the idea of the 130R, More to work on, but i like the direction.

I also read that they asked younger people what they wanted, which said a modern muscle, with functionality blah blah, hence the fender flares and long hood. about how tall is the 130R? comparable to a 4th gen?

54.7 inches. 4th gen is 51.2 inches.

[sweetbmxrider]

it seems cars designed for young people often backfire. iirc the average element owner is like 55 years old. i know there are some other examples but I can't think of them right now. and scion sales are in the tank.

Elements are actually pretty cool cars. If they were maybe a little taller and a little less ugly, I'd be into it. Nothing like hosing out your interior and nothing happening 8-)

[WiMiMc]

Am i just connecting imaginary dots or could 130R be the basis of the new Camaro?

Alpha Platform
Shares the same wheelbase as the ATS
RWD
2+2 Seating coupe
Starting under $25,000
Is apparently a little taller than 4th gens
Appears to be MUCH lighter which was one of the biggest concerns with the new Camaro (as well as blind spots)

[sweetbmxrider]

I think you are referring to the new pontiac :lol:

[maroman88]

Tranz Amz

[BigAls87Z28]

Am i just connecting imaginary dots or could 130R be the basis of the new Camaro?

Alpha Platform
Shares the same wheelbase as the ATS
RWD
2+2 Seating coupe
Starting under $25,000
Is apparently a little taller than 4th gens
Appears to be MUCH lighter which was one of the biggest concerns with the new Camaro (as well as blind spots)

The Code 130R is about a foot off what the 6th gen will be, and maybe another half-foot wider. Height is similar.


As for the Pontiac jokes, you have no idea how right you are.....if this was 2007.

[WiMiMc]

Considering them saying the ATS @ ~3,400 lbs, any lukewarm ballpark ideas of what the Code130R or 6th gen Camaro will weigh in at?

[BigAls87Z28]

There was no weight listed for the 130R, but much smaller engine, smaller overall dimensions, I would venture that a car, in production trim, could be anywhere from 2900-3100lbs.

Turbo 4 6th gen Camaro will probably be around 3400lbs with V6 at 3500 and V8 3600lbs.

[WayFast84]

There was no weight listed for the 130R, but much smaller engine, smaller overall dimensions, I would venture that a car, in production trim, could be anywhere from 2900-3100lbs.

Turbo 4 6th gen Camaro will probably be around 3400lbs with V6 at 3500 and V8 3600lbs.

Will there be an n/a v6 option for cost purpose?

[LS1ow]

in4vidsofal

[sweetbmxrider]

You crazy with those weights pal.

[LTb1ow]

They be 4th gen weights, how did they make a barge weigh that little? Do the bilge pumps and oars come optional now?

[Blacdout96]

Ah if they made the 140 Rear/midmount and RWD, ahhh :drool:


New Pontiac Fiero?

I can't see it being cost effective to come out with anther mid-ship engined car anytime soon. I still dream of owning a 1988 Fiero GT.

[WiMiMc]

New Pontiac Fiero?

I can't see it being cost effective to come out with anther mid-ship engined car anytime soon. I still dream of owning a 1988 Fiero GT.

Yeah probably not but it would be awesome. I also have wanted one of those with the hatch glass mod. That and the 1990 Fiero GT prototype

[Blacdout96]

That and the 1990 Fiero GT prototype

Shame that never became a reality, but it still would of been watered down in production, can't have it beating the Corvette flagship, for a portion of the price.

[WiMiMc]

Shame that never became a reality, but it still would of been watered down in production, can't have it beating the Corvette flagship, for a portion of the price.

I know, though if i'm not mistaken, they got some inspiration for the 4th gens from the GT prototype

[BigAls87Z28]

Will there be an n/a v6 option for cost purpose?

There was no weight listed for the 130R, but much smaller engine, smaller overall dimensions, I would venture that a car, in production trim, could be anywhere from 2900-3100lbs.

Turbo 4 6th gen Camaro will probably be around 3400lbs with V6 at 3500 and V8 3600lbs.

:bertstare:

in4vidsofal

http://youtu.be/GgpaQ_oqUbg

http://youtu.be/diK1KDzG4U4

http://youtu.be/DDUPcE9MnDc

They be 4th gen weights, how did they make a barge weigh that little? Do the bilge pumps and oars come optional now?

Wow, you should work for GMI since you have seen the 6th gen Camaro and know that it will be a barge, but only in physical dimensions, and not in actual weight. Please, do tell us more!