2013 Camaro ZL1: Ask questions

[BigAls87Z28]

Have questions? Ask away. I will be sitting down with Camaro people tonight and all day tomorrow.

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[LTb1ow]

How much will it weigh, how much fancy electronic stuff will it come with, can it blend, and whats the price tag looking like?

[BigAls87Z28]

Weight is 4100lbsish
It has a lot of fancy electronic stuff such as third generation MRC with 5 different modes, including a launch control mode. No additional infotainment stuff such as MyLink in it, and no navigation either.
In PTM 4, it blends like a champ
Price tag is 54,995 with delivery, handful of options from polished wheels to suede inserts are extra.

[LTb1ow]

Is GM planning on offering any cool incentive packages for this?

[Jersey Mike]

60-130?
Production numbers?

[qwikz28]

Can we get one for the members to test drive?

[LS1ow]

Will It Blend?
Can it drift?
Can i drift it?
is it going to get snake bit by the shelby ?

[BonzoHansen]

how long until the goodies like the suspension parts hit the lower models?

[LTb1ow]

Will any of our questions be answered?

[Blackbirdws6]

Will they actually make enough of them?

[sweetbmxrider]

How many times will you stall it? Will you make it spin with launch control on?

[WayFast84]

What is mrc?(serious)

[Jersey Mike]

magnetic ride control.


When can I drive it?

[BigAls87Z28]

Can we get one for the members to test drive?

If by members, you mean member, and by test drive, you mean make a fool of himself, then yes.


Can it drift?
Can i drift it?
is it going to get snake bit by the shelby ?

Yes
No
Camaro team is pretty confident that despite the GT500's extra hp, they still won't beat it.

how long until the goodies like the suspension parts hit the lower models?

The strut tower brace and revised suspension is available in the FE4 package.
Interesting note, they found that the sway bar design in the rear was not up to snuff for the ZL1, so they put in a longer bar and put the sway bar links closer to the wheel. They also revised the rear toe link and rear subframe bushing to handle the power. The revised sway bar design is part of the FE4 package, but will not be available on the V6 because of the sliding piston would actually hit the link in the case that the owner waits too long to replace the rear brakes...yeah, they tested for that.
The "14 bolt" cooled rear diff will be an option in the future, but not from the factory. GM will sell the rear diff set up, including the stronger and different diameter CV shafts as a kit for people who want to put some power to the ground

Will they actually make enough of them?
Define enough?

What is mrc?(serious)

Mike said it, but Magnetic Ride Control. Instead of filling a shock with gas or hydraulic fluid, they fill it with a viscus fluid that contains tiny iron particles. The piston inside the shock has an electromagnet that can adjust the viscosity of the fluid by varying the current going through the EM. This system was put on Cadillacs to improve ride nearly a decade ago, then C5 had them as an option, then Delphi/GM leased the tech to Ferrari which used it in the new 599 GTB. At the time, it was thought that the shocks could not handle the load of racing and that they would over heat or malfunction. Well, Ferrari made it work, so GM went ahead and revised it to fit in the Corvette ZR1 and then the second generation CTS-V's. The ZL1 is the first car to have the third generation system that has a much faster processor and software mapping to have up to 5 different modes, including a launch-control mode that can make you launch like a top fuel master.

[sweetbmxrider]

Everyone but me gets a reply? What a pal....

[Jersey Mike]

Not just you. #choppedliver

[BigAls87Z28]

Ask real questions, get real answers, pal

[Blackbirdws6]

Enough as in demand won't be so ridiculous that dealers gouge on pricing. It will happen in the beginning but does Chevy plan on building as many as they can sell?

[LS1ow]

what kind of traction does it have off the launch control with the stock tires? does it hook ?

[BigAls87Z28]

Enough as in demand won't be so ridiculous that dealers gouge on pricing. It will happen in the beginning but does Chevy plan on building as many as they can sell?

Gouging is going to happen. Even when Camaro was at full tilt, outselling Mustang, there were mark ups. I will ask if there will be a limited number or what


what kind of traction does it have off the launch control with the stock tires? does it hook ?

When you get in, suspension is already set to Sport, not Touring which I thought was funny since the CTS-V always starts in Touring.
I kept it in PTM 3, which turns of traction control, but leaves stability control in optimal dry conditions. They said that they wish it was raining because the rain mode is "impressive".
That said, in PTM3, car spun first, second, by third it settled down.

I did not try out the launch control, but that will be tomorrow.

[LS1ow]

auto or stick ?

[coolmanvette75]

Any interior differences from the 2ss?

[BigAls87Z28]

There is an auto car here, but I haven't driven it yet. the 0-60 of 3.9 was set with an auto.

[V]

LSA correct? is the motor identical to the CTS-V? any other upgrades done or different tuning? I think i remember you saying it had >556 hp, so that means its at least somewhat different that the cts-v lsa.

[BigAls87Z28]

Any interior differences from the 2ss?

Suede inserts are optional, steering wheel has a flat-bottom, shifter is different.

[BigAls87Z28]

LSA correct? is the motor identical to the CTS-V? any other upgrades done or different tuning? I think i remember you saying it had >556 hp, so that means its at least somewhat different that the cts-v lsa.

580hp due to better exhaust design compared to CTS-V. Same reason that the CTS with the LFX makes less power than a Camaro with the same LFX. Still an LSA

[BigAls87Z28]

Brian, since the 2012 model run will only be so long, there will be a limited number for 2012, but only because the model year. They will make as many as they can sell, there will be no limited number per year.

[Blackbirdws6]

Brian, since the 2012 model run will only be so long, there will be a limited number for 2012, but only because the model year. They will make as many as they can sell, there will be no limited number per year.

Got it. So the guys that gotta have it first will get hammered with the pricing but hopefully it will calm down after the initial run.

[BonzoHansen]

this car was on a list of top 10 potential/future collector's cars in an email from Hagerty today "2012 Hagerty Hot List"

[DaSkinnyGuy]

is it going to get snake bit by the shelby ?

I say yes.

My question is how loud are these camaros from the exterior with the butterflys open?

[BigAls87Z28]

Loud. Even sitting there, the car is noticiablly louder than the SS cars. The exhaust, while routed almost the same, doesn't have the center resonators nor the big utter mufflers. They said, if you open the butterfly valve, you could roll a golf ball all the way to the cat without hitting anything.

[BonzoHansen]

they can't be quieter than the other production cars. They are nearly silent!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

they can't be quieter than the other production cars. They are nearly silent!

On this note, how come SS cars are about 4x quieter than say, an Escalade?

[LTb1ow]

On this note, how come SS cars are about 4x quieter than say, an Escalade?

How you seen the amount of exhaust tubing, resonators, mufflers, cats, flux capictors and misc nonsense GM likes to cut the balls of their cars with thrown under these barges?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

How you seen the amount of exhaust tubing, resonators, mufflers, cats, flux capictors and misc nonsense GM likes to cut the balls of their cars with thrown under these barges?

Yes, that's what confused me. I understand stock cars are not supposed to be loud, but when it's marginally louder than a Prius and shamed by an SUV from the same company. Mustangs and the Challengers you can sort of hear.

[Raist103]

why with 580 it is such a turd in the 1/4? ive seen 113-117 that is sad

[LTb1ow]

why with 580 it is such a turd in the 1/4? ive seen 113-117 that is sad

It weighs close what a 2500HD does, thats why. :kneeslap:

[elle]

Top Gear boys just wrecked one:facepalm:

[WildBillyT]

Let me preface this by saying I'm being totally serious and not just hating.

What components make it weigh so much? 4100 lbs in an aluminum engined car?

[LTb1ow]

Let me preface this by saying I'm being totally serious and not just hating.

What components make it weigh so much? 4100 lbs in an aluminum engined car?

Inb4IRS and if you can't afford it, don't question it bro.

[BonzoHansen]

Let me preface this by saying I'm being totally serious and not just hating.

What components make it weigh so much? 4100 lbs in an aluminum engined car?

in general, comparing the new one to a previous gen, sound deadener, a fairly beefy structure (5 star crash rating,etc.), big wheels, big tire, a pile of air bags.

this car appears to add ~200 lbs to that of a similar S. bigger brakes and I'm guessing the mag shock stuff adds weight. and the lsa motor is heavier too.

[WildBillyT]

in general, comparing the new one to a previous gen, sound deadener, a fairly beefy structure (5 star crash rating,etc.), big wheels, big tire, a pile of air bags.

this car appears to add ~200 lbs to that of a similar S. bigger brakes and I'm guessing the mag shock stuff adds weight. and the lsa motor is heavier too.

But that much weight? Really? Wasn't an LS1 car like 3400 or so, with 17" rims?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Granted it was on a transfer station scale, but with me in it, the vert weighed 3800 even. With 1/8 tank of gas. Everything to possibly make it heavier except 17" wheels. and obviously an iron block.

[WildBillyT]

Granted it was on a transfer station scale, but with me in it, the vert weighed 3800 even. With 1/8 tank of gas. Everything to possibly make it heavier except 17" wheels. and obviously an iron block.

So your vert was 3750 curb weight? I stand corrected.

Seriously though, I get that cool stuff weighs more like rotors, calipers, and big wheels. But that's really beefy for a car built for handling.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Well you have to take out ~150 for me. 3650 with minimal gas. And again, it's a transfer station scale so it may not be perfectly calibrated for lower weights.

I know transampete had his car's race weight at 4200 but that was an ls1 ws6 6spd with aftermarket rear, cage, nitrous, heavy wheels.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yikes, alright...well

Camaro SS is just under 3900lbs, so it's an addition of 200lbs.
MRC shocks weight more, larger brakes and calipers, larger 14 bolt iron rear end, thicker roll bars, larger and HD CV axles, supercharger with cooling systems, larger radiator, and overall revised and strenghtened chassis parts.
That adds up to 200lbs.

Arron Gold, who consults for Top Gear USA did wreck the same car I went off the track with. Made me feel a little bit better about going off.

[BigAls87Z28]

why with 580 it is such a turd in the 1/4? ive seen 113-117 that is sad

I haven't seen any 1/4 times considering it isn't in production yet...

[Jersey Mike]

Arron Gold, who consults for Top Gear USA did wreck the same car I went off the track with. Made me feel a little bit better about going off.

I've seen you GoKart. He was probably actually trying to put up a competitive time :lol:

[LTb1ow]

I've seen you GoKart. He was probably actually trying to put up a competitive time

Repped good sir, repped

[BigAls87Z28]

How you seen the amount of exhaust tubing, resonators, mufflers, cats, flux capictors and misc nonsense GM likes to cut the balls of their cars with thrown under these barges?

Uh....wut?

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Looks pretty much like a normal exhaust...

:bertstare:

[LTb1ow]

With bathtubs?

[BigAls87Z28]

I've seen you GoKart. He was probably actually trying to put up a competitive time :lol:

There was no competition...he just tried taking a turn, in the rain, at 75mph.

But that much weight? Really? Wasn't an LS1 car like 3400 or so, with 17" rims?

Pretty sure no LS1 car with 17's came in under 3500lbs.

With bathtubs?

Mufflers...they are called mufflers.

[LTb1ow]

Mufflers...they are called mufflers.

That look like bathtubs.

[BigAls87Z28]

I feel bad for you if you think that looks like a bath tub.

[LTb1ow]

I feel bad for you if you think that looks like a bath tub.

Bro, I make those things.

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, then you suck at your job.

[elle]

Well, then you suck at your job.

lol

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I'm pretty sure there are several cars in production with engines smaller than those mufflers

[BurninrubberGT]

I'm pretty sure there are several cars in production with engines smaller than those mufflers

you could probably fit a miata in them

[BigAls87Z28]

Welp, it's all up. Thanks for the questions...most of you anyway. Click the picture

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[maroman88]

when can i get repros of the rims!?

[sweetbmxrider]

I want one!

[Blackbirdws6]

I want one!

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[LS1ow]

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