What I do at work

[MyFirstZ]

Vehicle needed bank one or right side cylidner head. Not going into details why but this is what it takes to do a head swap. The turbos are mounted in the valley on this motor. The car has 3 or 4 water pumps all together including the one mechanical pump that you might be able to see behind all the cooling hoses, for the intercoolers, power steering, oil, transmission and coolant.

This is an N63 out of a 2010 BMW 750il. It's a twin turbo V8.
The table you see is freaking awesome and I will eventually use it on my own project. Cost about 16k i was told

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You can see the exhaust manifold in the valley on the one side that is still on, and yes the license plate had to come off to do this job
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[maroman88]

wow what a mess, i could neverrrrrr lol

repair bill total??

[Lt1_8U]

omggg , well at least you have all the correct tools at your disposal :nod:

[MyFirstZ]

Warranty. I rarely see the price on any of the jobs I do. I know an X6 M, needed a long blck and was 34k for the motor.

This head bare was 2k at our cost

The car is back together running and out the shop but mentally and physically killed me that week

[MyFirstZ]

omggg , well at least you have all the correct tools at your disposal :nod:

Indeed. BMW has an automatic tool shipment for any special tools needed. So since we are a dealer for the all electric 1 series it was a requirement to own that table for repairs.
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[LS1ow]

looks like a big job !

what dealer is that? its doesnt happen to be park ave right ?

[MyFirstZ]

No. It's Morristown.

[LS1ow]

ohh lol i was gunna say im at park ave all the time, never see your car.

[MyFirstZ]

Yeah I don't want to deal with rt 17 traffic

[BonzoHansen]

wow. what is book labor for that?

[MyFirstZ]

Bare head I think is 29 with no diagnosis

[MyFirstZ]

But to check everything, including leak down and compression is probably another 8 hrs

[BonzoHansen]

holy crap lol

[NJ Torque]

Hmm... no longblocks?

[grazi]

I think I've seen your car at BMW of Morristown. I drive by there all the time.

[MyFirstZ]

Maybe. It's usually parked behind the building but possibly.

They wouldn't do a long block for just a head

[WayFast84]

Damn. I guess that's why people lease these...

[Stevoone]

Looks like fun. I just did head gaskets on a northstar. Looks similar to what you just did, I think we charged him ~20 hours total. I have an engine to replace next week on an 04 SRX, book time for a long block is 27 hours. It's surprising how much money people dump into cars that aren't even worth half of the repair (both my jobs are cash. Not warranty)

Did you have to go to a specialty BMW school before getting into a dealership? I had a friend from highschool that works for BMW. He went through some factory program then got a job in Texas.

Your 6th picture makes your bay look like a professional office. Our shop is straight from the 70's, we still have the old Visualine alignment rack from the 1950's.

[chrisfrom nj]

thats a big job

[MyFirstZ]

Yeah I went to BMW step (BMWS training program at the north American hq) after wyotech. Didn't have to go but I was accepted and I knew a dealer tech would be a stable job so I went for it.

Yeah that bay and the one next to it where I have the motor under the car are my bays. Every tech has the same set up too with a work bench, box, cabinets and computer. For every two techs we have our diagnostic computer as well. Pretty modern and high class.

Most everything I do is warranty. If this was customer pay it would have easily been 40 hrs. So 6k in labor

[MyFirstZ]

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[98CamaroSS]

Thats just nuts. No wonder these cars depreciate so much especially after the warrenty expires. :facepalm:

[elle]

HOLY CHIT! I would have used my vacation time when that job came in. lol

[Frosty]

Christ...here I though my shop was big lol.

Good stuff...it's nice to see a clean shop too...it usually means the Service Manager and techs care.

[qwikz28]

wow. I gotta hand it to you for being able to put that all back together when all is said and done. Looks like there is a ton going on there.

[MyFirstZ]

Thanks, just glad its over.

The shop is awesome. Foreman likes it tidy and is pretry strict about it.

Should of. I definitely need a vacation now that I went through that.

[sweetbmxrider]

Just wow.

[BonzoHansen]

Just wow.

so Adam, are those the jobs where you'd say "yeaaaah, you ought to take this to the dealer" lol

[MyFirstZ]

I don't get to use that "you're going to have to take it to the dealer" excuse anymore

[NJ Torque]

Wow. They dont want us touching the insides of the motors... longblocks only. Do you need to be certified to get paid diag times?

[MyFirstZ]

We do heads, we normally don't do any bottom end work. But I have sen multiple guys do bare blocks.......

For this job I'm sure you would have the certifications just to be able to diagnose it. But no you don't need to be certified to get diag time.

There's more to it but I don't know, I have all my certs from BMW so I never really thought about it

[88WS-6]

That is a lot of work.

I bet business is good, since everyone in Morristown owns a BMW.

[KevinW]

I echo the WOW! But what are all those lines in the back of the motor? oil lines for the turbos?

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[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Ridiculous.

[NJ346]

That is awesome. If I ever decided to be an auto tech, that's the kinda place I would want to be working at.

[MyFirstZ]

uhh that picture you have right there is the front. But those are all cooling lines for different fluids. Not sure which one you are referring to.

[KevinW]

:) I wasnt reffereing to a specific line, just all of them, the rubber ones (like power steering hoses) that run from one side of the engine to another.

[MyFirstZ]

The arched hoses are power steering, active roll stabilization and coolant. The metal one along the side are fuel lines, also have trans/oil lines and coolant hoses.

Also have some turbo coolant lines hanging down in that picture.

[LS1ow]

active roll stabilization.

like roll, like suspention monitering ?

[WildBillyT]

like roll, like suspention monitering ?

Nope, for when you are bringing food home for Thanksgiving dinner.

[LS1ow]

Nope, for when you are bringing food home for Thanksgiving dinner.

:bertstare:

was shure if it was for active suspention or for oil or something sloshing around in pan during cornering.

[MyFirstZ]

It's for the sway bar, the actual sway bar will use hydraulic pressure to twist to help prevent body roll.

[Frosty]

Nope, for when you are bringing food home for Thanksgiving dinner.

Win!

[LS1ow]

It's for the sway bar, the actual sway bar will use hydraulic pressure to twist to help prevent body roll.

us at jeep... swaybar disconnects... to encourage body roll !

[MyFirstZ]

Haha nice

[EODMonkey]

germans... over engineering the s**t out of everything imaginable. i'll never buy one cause they cost too much to fix. big props to you for fixing it

[sweetbmxrider]

so Adam, are those the jobs where you'd say "yeaaaah, you ought to take this to the dealer" lol

Yes :lol:

[Blacdout96]

germans... over engineering the s**t out of everything imaginable. i'll never buy one cause they cost too much to fix.

Case in point, my wifes 2005 Mini Cooper S is 700 for the electric power steering pump, and about 1000 for the supercharger, which you literally have to take the front end off to get to it to check the fluid, oh and the water pump runs off of the supercharger, so if the back half dries up, yeah your beat (Common problem). The Aisin 6 speed auto trans is about 6000-7000 for a unit, and to change the fluid and filter, you once again have to remove the front end. The fan for the electric power steering pump is about 120 bucks, and is common to go bad. Collant tank, power steering lines, etc. All are prone to leaking, and BMW (who owns MINI) Doesn't want to man up and issue recalls for any of these, especially the transmission deal. The CVT's have a class action lawsuit on them right now, and were waiting for the Aisin to be added to the lawsuit.

About 80K is the average before they start to let go, and MINI slapped life time fluid stickers all over the pan, warning you can potentially void your warrenty if you replace the fluid. What they mean by that is the lifetime of the warrenty, then good luck from there, but it should be replaced every 40K. The other problem if the Valve body egg shapes due to using aluminum for the body and steel for the pistons. They have repair kits, but just to get an upgraded valve body it's 1200.....It's a money pit but damn it's fun to drive.

[MyFirstZ]

I still do recommend these cars, but with disclaimers...... Only get it in warranty, and if you do get out of warranty and/or modify I say you better have some money to drop on repairs

[sweetbmxrider]

I still do recommend these cars, but with disclaimers...... Only get it in warranty, and if you do get out of warranty and/or modify I say you better have some money to drop on repairs

I can agree with that statement.

[Blacdout96]

Mercedes,Audi, and BMW, I see a ton of them at these one owner dealerships like Autolenders. People wonder why they're affordable now and they're so clean, and low mileage....most were a lease, and thats the smartest thing you can do with those three companies. They're over engineered because one's trying to outdo the other, but in the end it hurts the consumer. I can do without the hydraulic sway bar and 4 wheel stability managment blah blah blah. It's luxury I get it, you bought it for that, but my favorite line when someone who owns one and comes into my store ( Land Rover owners especially) Why so much? I tell them straight up you gotta pay to play, and you bought a luxury car, they come with luxury price tags. They don't like what I have to tell them, but tough, buy a focus next time.

I knew what I was getting into when my wife wanted a MINI. I told her," You want a MINI, you got a MINI." Now when I say that, she tells me to shut the hell up mid sentence. European cars aren't for the faint of heart or wallet. In the end, when a car's life before killing your wallet is 3-5 years, is it really a quality produced car? I don't care how many gadgets are in it, that's a horrendously short life spand for a so called quality build. I keep hearing people hark on Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge, and with the exception of Dodge, most of the Big three's line up stands up pretty well into the 10 year range without selling your first born. The Malaise era is gone and so is Chevrolet's bad rep of building ****** cars. I'll take the plastic squeek in the interior, GM decided they didn't need to place a special lubricant only a small shop in the Alps produces made by the tears of orphans and Narwal horns on the back of it, they said screw it, turn the radio up.

And it's not just my experience with customers and my wife's car, there are several other family members and friends who own BMW's and tell me the same thing I told you. They lease and nothign more. I'll never buy anything beyond a MINI Cooper, I'll stick with my plastic fantastic live axle Camaro, or another American car, or even Korean at that, even if I had money to burn, cause at the same time I prefer to work on all my cars, brand new or old as dirt, and after seeing those photos, I'd of poured gas in that mofo, and set it ablaze.

[WildBillyT]

Mercedes,Audi, and BMW, I see a ton of them at these one owner dealerships like Autolenders. People wonder why they're affordable now and they're so clean, and low mileage....most were a lease, and thats the smartest thing you can do with those three companies. They're over engineered because one's trying to outdo the other, but in the end it hurts the consumer. I can do without the hydraulic sway bar and 4 wheel stability managment blah blah blah. It's luxury I get it, you bought it for that, but my favorite line when someone who owns one and comes into my store ( Land Rover owners especially) Why so much? I tell them straight up you gotta pay to play, and you bought a luxury car, they come with luxury price tags. They don't like what I have to tell them, but tough, buy a focus next time.

I knew what I was getting into when my wife wanted a MINI. I told her," You want a MINI, you got a MINI." Now when I say that, she tells me to shut the hell up mid sentence. European cars aren't for the faint of heart or wallet. In the end, when a car's life before killing your wallet is 3-5 years, is it really a quality produced car? I don't care how many gadgets are in it, that's a horrendously short life spand for a so called quality build. I keep hearing people hark on Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge, and with the exception of Dodge, most of the Big three's line up stands up pretty well into the 10 year range without selling your first born. The Malaise era is gone and so is Chevrolet's bad rep of building ****** cars. I'll take the plastic squeek in the interior, GM decided they didn't need to place a special lubricant only a small shop in the Alps produces made by the tears of orphans and Narwal horns on the back of it, they said screw it, turn the radio up.

And it's not just my experience with customers and my wife's car, there are several other family members and friends who own BMW's and tell me the same thing I told you. They lease and nothign more. I'll never buy anything beyond a MINI Cooper, I'll stick with my plastic fantastic live axle Camaro, or another American car, or even Korean at that, even if I had money to burn, cause at the same time I prefer to work on all my cars, brand new or old as dirt, and after seeing those photos, I'd of poured gas in that mofo, and set it ablaze.

I told that to somebody griping about a $1700 catalytic converter for their Benz.

[maroman88]

I told that to somebody griping about a $1700 catalytic converter for their Benz.

LOL ive bought a handful of cars for less then that that didnt need any work