QQ Plates

[The BIG Show]

Got QQ plates for the LeSabre today. Had to get a copy of the title because I couldn't find it. Folks at Flemington DMV were extremely pleasant and helpful.

No more inspections - yay.
3000 mile per year limit. LOL....be lucky if it gets three HUNDRED!

Time to scrape off that ugly inspection sticker and drive over to Paul (RPM -a scant 3 minutes away) to see where to start breathing new life into it.

BTW....what is needed:
1 - Title
2 - Front and side photos
3 - Application (got at site)
4 - License
5 - Registration

Cost me about $110 for copy of title and plates. (Also added BOAT to license for 12 bux).

Now if only I could get a garage so I can put classic insurance on it.

[WildBillyT]

Cool!

Is the Lesabre a 307 car?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Should rock that to the next meet instead of the DD! :mrgreen:

[The BIG Show]

5.0
not sure if 307 or 305
4bbl.
700r4 tranny (built to gn specs)

im sure im nuts to do anything to the car (299+k miles), but it has sentimental value.

[The BIG Show]

Should rock that to the next meet instead of the DD! :mrgreen:

now i have the QQ's i just might. car was due for inspection in october....LOL

[WildBillyT]

Yeah, will be a roller Olds 307.

[The BIG Show]

Yeah, will be a roller Olds 307.

actually mom and dad had original replaced with a jasper by bridgewater motorworks 50k ago (against my advice).

does it make a difference?

[WildBillyT]

LOL. Not really.

[PolarBear]

3000 mile per year limit. LOL....be lucky if it gets three HUNDRED!


There is no mileage limit on Historic plates, only Collectors

[L695speed]

There is no mileage limit on Historic plates, only Collectors

Yeah Collectors is the one with the mileage limit. Historic plates there isn't one unless your insurance company imposed one because its insured under a collectors policy.

[Pampered-Z]

im sure im nuts to do anything to the car.

unlike the WS6, do something different...






DRIVE IT! :kneeslap:

[The BIG Show]

There is no mileage limit on Historic plates, only Collectors

all i can do is repeat what the nice lady at dmv said. i may have to some research. either way, for me 3000 is NOOOOOOO problem.

[The BIG Show]

unlike the WS6, do something different...






DRIVE IT! :kneeslap:

...to the moon, alice!!!! lol

where the heck have YOU been hiding?

[L695speed]

This is the QQ thread so I'm gonna ask here. My brother said from what hes found on the QQs you can run the rear plate only. If this is true I may have my front bumper holes for the bracket filled. The plate looks out of place on the front. So is it true that cars under historic registration can run only the rear plate?

[The BIG Show]

This is the QQ thread so I'm gonna ask here. My brother said from what hes found on the QQs you can run the rear plate only. If this is true I may have my front bumper holes for the bracket filled. The plate looks out of place on the front. So is it true that cars under historic registration can run only the rear plate?

well, no inspection required anymore and i dont plan on putting front plate on, but i think it's still the law.

[WildBillyT]

This is the QQ thread so I'm gonna ask here. My brother said from what hes found on the QQs you can run the rear plate only. If this is true I may have my front bumper holes for the bracket filled. The plate looks out of place on the front. So is it true that cars under historic registration can run only the rear plate?

Pretty sure that's been debunked by the NJDMV.

[BonzoHansen]

This is the QQ thread so I'm gonna ask here. My brother said from what hes found on the QQs you can run the rear plate only. If this is true I may have my front bumper holes for the bracket filled. The plate looks out of place on the front. So is it true that cars under historic registration can run only the rear plate?

i have yet to get even a blink from anyone about no front QQ plate.

[WildBillyT]

i have yet to get even a blink from anyone about no front QQ plate.


Historic vehicles
General inspections are not required for historic or collector vehicles. To be classified as a "historic vehicle" it must be:
At least 25 years old
Specially registered and display QQ plates (1945 and earlier models are required to displayone plateon the rear of the vehicle. 1946 and newer models will be issued two plates and both plates must be displayed, 1 on the front and one on the back of the vehicle).

From

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Inspectio...clesExempt.htm


BUT


20 Notwithstanding the provisions of R.S.39:3-33 or any other law to
21 the contrary, an owner of a vehicle registered as an historic vehicle
22 shall not be required to display more than one special license plate
23 issued for that vehicle, which plate shall be displayed on the rear of the
24 vehicle.


So who knows. I say if the car looks like hell just run the rear plate. Some cars (my Nova) have front plate provisions built into the bumper so it flows very well.

You could print this: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/9899/Bills/a0500/463_i1.pdf

And keep it in your glove box but you might seem like a dick to the cop who pulled you over. I think this law was originally for cars with no provision up front, like a Model T etc.

[L695speed]

Ok guys, technically, my car doesn't have provisions for the front plate. They had to make up some hacky looking front bracket to be able to run them on the front bumper. It looks much cleaner without it. I guess this is where the cop's mood will make a difference. I just don't want to go through the trouble of filling in the holes if its 100% illegal. But it seems even the state code and laws are conflicting on the issue.

[88WS-6]

Keep the front plate in the trunk and roll the dice. How much is a no front plate fine anyway?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Just get the hideaway plate that everyone else uses.

[PolarBear]

all i can do is repeat what the nice lady at dmv said. i may have to some research. either way, for me 3000 is NOOOOOOO problem.

There is a reason have gone out of my way to not go to the Flemington DMV for historic plates, THEY DONT KNOW WTF they are talking about.

I put it all in a thread already, but the long and short was the lady said the front sheet metal I had on the car was not correct for my year car. I really wanted to jump over the counter and punch the lady in the face. My cousin said he doesnt like that woman either when he has had to deal with her.



Again, just so you know you can drive your car as many miles as you want within the provisions of the law with historic plates 8-)

[WildBillyT]

Before they opened their new facility, the reps at Flemington told me to go to Trenton on a Saturday morning to get my QQ plates.

Trenton historic is closed on a Saturday.

[L695speed]

I'll have to see what I want to do when I get there. If I get this thing going again, test runs will probably be done with the front plate in the windshield.

As for the DMV and getting the plates. I went in 09 down to Trenton I believe during the week, and I was in and out of the place in 10 minutes no questions asked. Now however I'll have to put the car back on insurance for 30 days or so for plate renewal.

And I also stand by no mileage limits with the historic plates. Its the Collectors plates which is used on cars newer than 25 that have a 3000 mile limit. An example I can think of off the bat that would use Collectors plates would be a McLaren F1. Never officially imported here but was allowed through the Show and Go laws (or whatever the laws are called) Under the law a car imported under those laws is limited to 2500 miles a year. Once they turn 25 though all the rules go out the window.

Mileage limits with Historic plates are mostly due to collectors insurance limitations. Though some companies couldn't care less how much you drive it as long as you have a true daily driver.

[PolarBear]

Mileage limits with Historic plates are mostly due to collectors insurance limitations.

You dont have to have collectors insurance for Historic plates. I am just trying to reinforce that the state has restrictions in place for you to be able to drive the car, they make no limitations on mileage though. I think people keep confusing all the rules here.

If your insurance imposes a mileage restriction on your collector car that is up to them, but it has no tie to the historic registration. IMO if your insurance company restricts you like that he/she should look for another insurer.

[L695speed]

You dont have to have collectors insurance for Historic plates. I am just trying to reinforce that the state has restrictions in place for you to be able to drive the car, they make no limitations on mileage though. I think people keep confusing all the rules here.

If your insurance imposes a mileage restriction on your collector car that is up to them, but it has no tie to the historic registration. IMO if your insurance company restricts you like that he/she should look for another insurer.

I wasn't inferring that there was a tie in I drove mine rain or shine when I had it running right. Passed cops and they didn't care. I was just saying those who think there are mileage limits are probably thinking so due to insurance reasons. But I know there is no actual limit on historic plates. I was running with a regular insurance policy on my car. Same as the daily driver. No collectors insurance here with the QQs.

[andy78TA]

I had theworst people in flemington. I will never go back there for anything again. They couldn't confirm that my hood scoop was stock so they denied me. The BIT-- of a woman even wrote no QQ all over the title so i couldn't get it somewhere else. Lucky for me im smart enough to realize i could get a duplicate title. did it in somerville no problem.

[L695speed]

I had theworst people in flemington. I will never go back there for anything again. They couldn't confirm that my hood scoop was stock so they denied me. The BIT-- of a woman even wrote no QQ all over the title so i couldn't get it somewhere else. Lucky for me im smart enough to realize i could get a duplicate title. did it in somerville no problem.

That is BS, she obviously can't do math. Anyway, for reference, as I may have stated before, Trenton did it no questions asked when I did my 84 in '09. Given its been a couple years procedure may have changed.

[TAdan]

I got my QQ's in Somerville with no trouble at all. :)

[andy78TA]

The people at somerville were great. I would tell everyone to go there.

[Tru2Chevy]

If I get this thing going again, test runs will probably be done with the front plate in the windshield.

I would skip that idea if I were you. Does nothing but draw attention to the fact that your plate isn't on the front of the car where it belongs, and if the officer wants, they can write you for not having the plate mounted legally, as well as obstruction of view.

Store it somewhere in the car.

- Justin

[L695speed]

I got my QQ's in Somerville with no trouble at all. :)

I'll have to remember that, they're closer in Trenton, and Tru2Chevy, I will take that advice.

[TAdan]

I'll have to remember that, they're closer in Trenton, and Tru2Chevy, I will take that advice.

Chris, I'm pretty close to Somerville if you come down this way I'll have to show you my 84.

I've got to say that every time I've gone to the Somerville DMV they have been great. Everyone I've encountered has been friendly and competent. (Of course I make sure my paperwork is in order before going). I think they are really screwing up my perception of how awful the DMV really is. :lol:

[88WS-6]

Chris, I'm pretty close to Somerville if you come down this way I'll have to show you my 84.

I've got to say that every time I've gone to the Somerville DMV they have been great. Everyone I've encountered has been friendly and competent. (Of course I make sure my paperwork is in order before going). I think they are really screwing up my perception of how awful the DMV really is. :lol:

They are pretty good as fas as DMVs go. I aways use Somerville, but before they remodeled it a few years ago, it was a closet. You couldn't fit more than 20 people in it and there were always 51 in line... It's much better now.

[L695speed]

Chris, I'm pretty close to Somerville if you come down this way I'll have to show you my 84.

doesn't have to be when I go down there to the DMV. Could be down there for another reason too. If you go to the June club meet at the Chatterbox I'll be there for sure. Don't know if I will have the car but I will be there.

[Phoenixfire1989]

i have yet to get even a blink from anyone about no front QQ plate.

Ive been pulled over several times..i had to get one of those flip/hide plates to mount it underneath so i wouldn't have to drill holes.. But i live near medford and they look for any excuse to pull someone over..I used to have the plate in my front window..

[WildBillyT]

Ive been pulled over several times..i had to get one of those flip/hide plates to mount it underneath so i wouldn't have to drill holes.. But i live near medford and they look for any excuse to pull someone over..I used to have the plate in my front window..

Pulled over for using a QQ for non-QQ stuff, or for not having a front plate?

[Phoenixfire1989]

Pulled over for using a QQ for non-QQ stuff, or for not having a front plate?

For not having the plate mounted on my front bumper..i wasn't drilling holes in a 25 year old car!

[L695speed]

May depend on the town and cop......

[BonzoHansen]

And that a third gen may not seem old and therefore not get the benefit of the doubt