Sad story.

[BigRocsFirebird]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/motorcyclist_dies_after_head-o.html

who let's a 19 year old drive a ferrari.

[Tru2Chevy]

How old are you again Rocky? That Ferrari only makes ~60hp more than your Mustang stock for stock.....

Regardless of the cause / age of drivers it's still a shame that a seemingly innocent motorcyclist lost his life.

- Justin

[greenformula92]

something tells me a ferrari is faster than his mustang regardless of the little difference in power. Still sad when someone loses a life for such stupidity

[BigRocsFirebird]

How old are you again Rocky? That Ferrari only makes ~60hp more than your Mustang stock for stock.....

Regardless of the cause / age of drivers it's still a shame that a seemingly innocent motorcyclist lost his life.

- Justin

i knew it was coming when i said that, but i payed for my car and i earned it. i respect it unlike a young kid in a ferrari that's not his. i'm sure driving that boosted his ego and he was wreckless. but yes i'm not perfect either and your point is valid.

and the owner of this is the guy from super speeders.. how do does that make you look when your on that show and your wreckless in ferraris. not to good for him.

but yes still very sad for that guy.

[Tru2Chevy]

something tells me a ferrari is faster than his mustang regardless of the little difference in power. Still sad when someone loses a life for such stupidity

I know the Ferrari is faster. I was just pointing out that Rocky is also 19 and driving a new (not stock) GT with similar power levels that most likely won't handle as well as that Ferrari. Not looking to start a fight, just saying that age alone shouldn't be a factor in the discussion.

- Justin

[BigRocsFirebird]

I know the Ferrari is faster. I was just pointing out that Rocky is also 19 and driving a new (not stock) GT with similar power levels that most likely won't handle as well as that Ferrari. Not looking to start a fight, just saying that age alone shouldn't be a factor in the discussion.

- Justin

yeah i know i campletely agree with you.

My 12 has the ford racing handleing pack, front and back sway bars, shocks/springs strut tower bar, adjustable panhard bar. 1 3/8 lower. wider/better tires and rims. off road x and high flow mufflers. i'm getting it tuned and putting my intake back on this week and in a few months i'm looking to slapping on a blower. downs ford will put it on with full warrenty. its a 525hp kit and you keep the full warrenty!.

but the ferrari will walk my car up and down in reverse.

[greenformula92]

I know the Ferrari is faster. I was just pointing out that Rocky is also 19 and driving a new (not stock) GT with similar power levels that most likely won't handle as well as that Ferrari. Not looking to start a fight, just saying that age alone shouldn't be a factor in the discussion.

- Justin

Oh I agree. I didn't mean to start any arguments either. I probobly could of worded that better.

[NJ Torque]

Hmm....

[BigRocsFirebird]

i passed the sports complex today around 12:30, is this near any of you guys? you're all up north mostly right?

[LS1ow]

i passed the sports complex today around 12:30, is this near any of you guys? you're all up north mostly right?

i live less than a mile from the stadium, some of my friends are on the EMT in the town, and they called me so i stopped down. i got a few pics that ill throw up when i get home from work.

btw, i know the ferreti family pretty well threw my father, they own a fairly large scrap metal/carting company. and for those who have ever seen the "Super Speeders" vids of the supercars that are filmed all in NJ and FL a lot of them are Ferreti boys.

[sweetbmxrider]

Wow, terrible to see an innocent rider be killed. Clearly, from the amount of damage, the ferrari was not doing the posted 25 mph. Hope its a wake up call.

[LS1ow]

the cars are down at nick's towing, a couple people i know tow for them so im gunna see if i can get down there. talked to the Feretti thats my age today, very sad man...

[1320B4U]

Sad for the deceased..hope his family sues....

[WildBillyT]

Sad for the deceased..hope his family sues....

I would count on that.

[MyFirstZ]

If i was 19 and had the oppurtunity to drive a ferrari I would be driving like an ******* too. No doubt in my mind, but yeah it sucks

[Mark B]

Wow! How fast was he going for a motorcycle to do that much dammage to the car?

[BigAls87Z28]

I'm assuming that the bike hit the red car and the guy in the 2nd one ganked the wheel, went over a few curbs or whatever, and busted the suspension.

I suggest Man 1 and maybe a few charges for the father for supporting this type of behavior.

[maroman88]

I'm assuming that the bike hit the red car and the guy in the 2nd one ganked the wheel, went over a few curbs or whatever, and busted the suspension.

I suggest Man 1 and maybe a few charges for the father for supporting this type of behavior.

one of the articles say the silver car bounced off the curb n did a 180 and the red car went across the double yellow to avoid the silver car

[rickyd13]

i live about 5-10 min from there surprised this is the 1st I'm hearing of it

[NastyEllEssWon]

I'm assuming that the bike hit the red car and the guy in the 2nd one ganked the wheel, went over a few curbs or whatever, and busted the suspension.

I suggest Man 1 and maybe a few charges for the father for supporting this type of behavior.



umm yeah the kids 19 years old, the parents are no longer liable for anything he does, nor should a parent be charged for a child does. i dont come on here often anymore but evertime i do al manages to always have a few fail posts out there. thanks for not changing a thing bro!

[V]

umm yeah the kids 19 years old, the parents are no longer liable for anything he does, nor should a parent be charged for a child does. i dont come on here often anymore but evertime i do al manages to always have a few fail posts out there. thanks for not changing a thing bro!

yes you are right, but theres some lack of reading going on here in the past few posts...
Here are some facts that might make some more sense...

-the 19 y/o spun out in a silver 430... he didn't hit anyone
-the 28 y/o swerved around the silver car with the red 430 and hit the motorcyclist.
-the cars were both owned by Gotham Dream Cars
-both drivers were employees of Gotham
-the 28 y/o has same last name as the Chief Operating Officer of Gotham, so probably his father.

so in the end... Gotham Dream Cars will probably and most likely be held liable. Drivers will probably be charged with vehicle/speed violations. MAYBE manslaughter charge on 28 y/o but since he swerved to avoid and ended up crossing the line, not sure how well that'll stick

[88WS-6]

Very sad indeed.

And just as a note, this accident closed down the SCCA Northeast Divisional Races at Metlife Stadium that day. There's a thread about it in the road racing/auto-x section.

[LS1ow]

that family got plenty money, im shure they get some kind of deal.


i went down last night to check it out. a few flowers and memorials were the biker passed so i stopped and payed my respects. you can see were the red car slid over the sidewalk and into the parking lot. numerous paint marks on the ground indicating were stuff ended up.

[BigAls87Z28]

umm yeah the kids 19 years old, the parents are no longer liable for anything he does, nor should a parent be charged for a child does. i dont come on here often anymore but evertime i do al manages to always have a few fail posts out there. thanks for not changing a thing bro!

Not directly, no the parents cannot be charged with anything but I'm sure there might be a civil case which says that due to the promotion of speeding around on public roads by the father, they could tap the father. It will most likely come up in the case that the father runs does these kinds of videos and there will be questions as to why they two defendants thought it would be cool to mimic them?

Gotham City might be okay as I'm sure there are waivers signed and they make all employees take and sign written agreements saying they will not act like asshats when off the track or outside of an event and that they cannot he held liable if any of their employees do so.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=319762&position=1&news_type=news

Both charged with Death by Auto.

[WildBillyT]

Gotham City might be okay as I'm sure there are waivers signed and they make all employees take and sign written agreements saying they will not act like asshats when off the track or outside of an event and that they cannot he held liable if any of their employees do so.

For whatever it's worth, those waivers seem fine and jim-dandy but when something serious happens or somebody dies they get torn apart by lawyers.

We'll see, I guess. I have a feeling that Gotham will not escape unscathed in the least.

Regarding the charge, that's the same one that landed Billy Lane in prison for killing a motorcyclist, although he was drunk and these idiots were speeding.

[BonzoHansen]

umm yeah the kids 19 years old, the parents are no longer liable for anything he does, nor should a parent be charged for a child does. i dont come on here often anymore but evertime i do al manages to always have a few fail posts out there. thanks for not changing a thing bro!
If a kid lives at home, even at 19, the parents can easily get dragged into civil litigation.

I removed the classy post in question. :rolleyes:

Not directly, no the parents cannot be charged with anything but I'm sure there might be a civil case which says that due to the promotion of speeding around on public roads by the father, they could tap the father. It will most likely come up in the case that the father runs does these kinds of videos and there will be questions as to why they two defendants thought it would be cool to mimic them?

Gotham City might be okay as I'm sure there are waivers signed and they make all employees take and sign written agreements saying they will not act like asshats when off the track or outside of an event and that they cannot he held liable if any of their employees do so.

If the cars were owned by gotham and the drivers were employees you can be sure gotham will be sued. gotham's insurance in on the hook for losses no matter what, both the car insurance and the company's GL insurance. the drivers will get theirs separately, and I'm sure gotham's legal management will be dragged into civil suits as well. I'd wager gotham disappear as a legal entity very soon.

[WildBillyT]

If the cars were owned by gotham and the drivers were employees you can be sure gotham will be sued. gotham's insurance in on the hook for losses no matter what, both the car insurance and the company's GL insurance. the drivers will get theirs separately, and I'm sure gotham's legal management will be dragged into civil suits as well. I'd wager gotham disappear as a legal entity very soon.

Yup, that's what I was thinking. The companies aren't just going to say "WELP, HERE'S YOUR CHECK", they are going to look for every way to avoid payment or make sure that somebody pays up for them having to pay out.

[BigAls87Z28]

If a kid lives at home, even at 19, the parents can easily get dragged into civil litigation.

I removed the classy post in question. :rolleyes:



If the cars were owned by gotham and the drivers were employees you can be sure gotham will be sued. gotham's insurance in on the hook for losses no matter what, both the car insurance and the company's GL insurance. the drivers will get theirs separately, and I'm sure gotham's legal management will be dragged into civil suits as well. I'd wager gotham disappear as a legal entity very soon.

I'm sure that Gotham will have to pay out for something, but I don't think it will be much more than an insurance pay out. You will have to prove that Gotham was someone responsible for the ****heads driving.
The legal docs that they have to sign are not that easy to blow through. When you are talking about several hundred thousands of dollars of cars being driven by people who have various levels of driving education around track conditions, expect these docs to be pretty tough to get through.

Yup, that's what I was thinking. The companies aren't just going to say "WELP, HERE'S YOUR CHECK", they are going to look for every way to avoid payment or make sure that somebody pays up for them having to pay out.

Whatever money Gotham has to pay out, if they have to pay out, they are going to sue the kids for damage of company property, breach of contract, and maybe something along the lines of damage to the company's image, etc etc.

[The Fixer]

I hope truth comes out in this story and the family can receive some sort of justice. Seems like the kid in the silver Ferrari lost control and the other driver, while trying to avoid the first wreck, went into the oncoming lane and met the motorcycle head on. They must have been flying around that access road though.

I also discovered in the updated articles that the motorcyclist who was killed owned a record store in the town I work in. I noticed a few flowers and notes left by the front door when I passed it today. He was a really cool guy, I remember stopping in there a few times when I first started working here years ago to look at CDs and stuff.

[sweetbmxrider]

What does a waiver have to do with employees working aside from ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?

[BonzoHansen]

I've never signed any waivers as an employee driving company vehicles, or customer cars.

[WildBillyT]

I've never signed any waivers as an employee driving company vehicles, or customer cars.

Doesn't really matter. I've seen non-competes and confidentiality clauses (with much more than the price of a Ferrari on the line) get shot down.

[BonzoHansen]

true dat

[sweetbmxrider]

But, but big pal said so?

[BigAls87Z28]

I originally thought they payed to be in the event, but if they are an employee, they had to sign some sort of paperwork and training for insurance purposes that says they cannot be asshats, etc etc.

[BigAls87Z28]

Doesn't really matter. I've seen non-competes and confidentiality clauses (with much more than the price of a Ferrari on the line) get shot down.

Yeah, but how many of them, if broken, could kill someone?

[88WS-6]

I originally thought they payed to be in the event, but if they are an employee, they had to sign some sort of paperwork and training for insurance purposes that says they cannot be asshats, etc etc.

While I tend to agree with you on this, you are assuming a lot of things here. This company sounds like a family that bought a bunch of super cars and then rents them out for money. I wouldn't be surprised if they had no waiver even just for the son.

[BigAls87Z28]

While I tend to agree with you on this, you are assuming a lot of things here. This company sounds like a family that bought a bunch of super cars and then rents them out for money. I wouldn't be surprised if they had no waiver even just for the son.

Gotham is actually a pretty well known company. The family issue is the Ferreti family that owns a scrap yard, but the father also does Super Speeders that promotes fast driving in exotic cars.

Gotham could be nailed for hiring someone who was part of that family, especially since the videos are very well known around the high-end super car community.

I await Jalopnik's hit piece on this whole thing.

[V]

I see the 19 y/o getting sentenced to 5 years in prison, serving only 2-3(minus time served prior to conviction), and 3 years probation.
and the 28 y/o getting sentenced to 8 in prison, serving 4.5-5(minus time served), 3 years probation.

I also see Gotham going out of business. BUT most likely, many of their assests are not actually under Gotham Dream Cars name, LLC, etc. They will go out since their insurance company will drop them and they wont be able to afford future coverage. Once that happens, A similar company(maybe one such as "Big Apple Exotics") will pop up eventually with many of the same higher-ups, just not the same C.O.O., if indeed he is the father of the 28 y/o.

[WildBillyT]

Yeah, but how many of them, if broken, could kill someone?

Unless it's a document drawn up by an ace team of lawyers it will be shot at very hard and there is a good chance it will crumple. And I hope you are not underestimating large corporations giving more of a crap about money than human life. Stuff like beefy patents are worth more to them.

Example: If an airline makes you agree to not sue upon death via a legally binding agreement (during ticket purchase) and a plane goes down due to neglegence they would still have to pay. Etc etc.

[1320B4U]

Scrap metal owner probably has some pull in the judicial system...if the kid had a clean record he may get 6months w/the rest on probation for 4-5 years...i dont' see this kid getting any substantial jail time due to mom/dad. Its a game.

I used to deal w/this guy as he was in the import scene...he started up a exotic rental agency out of passaic. We no longer speak as there were 'issues' to say the least.
policy:
http://www.broadwaysupercars.com/#!policies|c1erv
rental form: (download and check it out)
http://www.broadwaysupercars.com/#!rental_forms|c1v49

not much in terms of standards or insurance by your provider to cover the claim in the event a lambo gets totalled...



...and gotham will probably go under but reimerge under a different entity as stated earlier, the cars are probably under a different name/organization. Bottomline is someone lost their lives and the legal procedings will probably take the next 5-10 years to pan out w/o any monetary dealings between both parties.

[LS1ow]

Feretti got plenty of pull in bergen county.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/5076463496_aea0a5d1ed.jpg

thats the "famous" roll off. beautiful truck, and its no slouch eather ! think STEAMS

[The Fixer]

Feretti got plenty of pull in bergen county.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/5076463496_aea0a5d1ed.jpg

thats the "famous" roll off. beautiful truck, and its no slouch eather ! think STEAMS

Oh yeah, I've seen that at Whiskey before! I imagine Ferretti knows people - most of the big construction/contractor businesses are involved with politics. Creamer is another one that comes to mind, they get almost every road repair contract in Bergen, and he's Chairman of the Board at Hackensack Hospital.

[LS1ow]

yeap. Sanzari too, some of the family lives up the street from me still, and 1 is a cop in town.

The Feretti family are really great people, some may look down at them now because of the accidient, but it was just that, an accident. They've always been nice to me whenever ive stopped by the yard to chat and they have always helped my dad out with the buisness recomending people to him.

[sweetbmxrider]

I see the 19 y/o getting sentenced to 5 years in prison, serving only 2-3(minus time served prior to conviction), and 3 years probation.
and the 28 y/o getting sentenced to 8 in prison, serving 4.5-5(minus time served), 3 years probation.

I also see Gotham going out of business. BUT most likely, many of their assests are not actually under Gotham Dream Cars name, LLC, etc. They will go out since their insurance company will drop them and they wont be able to afford future coverage. Once that happens, A similar company(maybe one such as "Big Apple Exotics") will pop up eventually with many of the same higher-ups, just not the same C.O.O., if indeed he is the father of the 28 y/o.

If this were a normal joe, yes. In this case, no way. This might disappear completely.

[BigAls87Z28]

I love it when the system works

[L695speed]

I heard about this, we were heading to the city that day. Don't know how fast they were going but mid engine cars can spin even at 25 with the weight in the back if they nail the throttle and don't respect the car. I'm not defending them, I'm 26 myself. But anyone with some common sense would treat high powered cars like that with respect no matter whether they'll do anything bad or not. As for the wreck, if there was no speeding involved, I have to say its a case of wrong place at the wrong time. My dad was involved in a similar style wreck at lower speeds. This sounds like a similar scenario. First instinct when someone wipes out is to get on the brakes or avoid no matter what it takes. You see this at the tracks too and even then its not always successful. I think this is hitting headlines because it was a bike fatality. Don't care what it is, bikes on cars rarely end well.

[LS1ow]

http://www.cliffviewpilot.com/bergen/3794-mugshots-released-of-two-charged-with-death-by-auto-that-killed-popular-cliffside-park-record-store-owner

[L695speed]

If they were speeding excessively then the morons have only themselves to blame, they were heading to the autocross for gods sake couldn't they have waited? Would Gotham Dream cars be hiring by any chance now? I need work!

[88WS-6]

If they were speeding excessively then the morons have only themselves to blame, they were heading to the autocross for gods sake couldn't they have waited? Would Gotham Dream cars be hiring by any chance now? I need work!

They were not heading to, or leaving from and have no association with the SCCA auto-x Divisionals that were going on that day. That was a coincidence.