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rickyd13
10-03-2012, 08:39 AM
my dad sent me a pic of what the next mustang is supposed to look like and i really dont like it i feel that its and insult to all muscle cars because the car looks like and austin martin and really shows no lines to it heritage the same with the new vette taking alway from the musclr car look can only imagine what there going to do the the camaro
Blackbirdws6
10-03-2012, 08:44 AM
People don't like change but it gets tough to keep modifying a design that's been around for year while keeping it fresh and exciting. If they called it something else, would you like it?
WildBillyT
10-03-2012, 08:47 AM
They need to sell cars. End of story.
There's a reason the SS died in 1972 and did not come back officially until the 5th gens. And the Z-28 died in 75-76.
The Camaro itself was almost cancelled in 72-73 outright.
The vette isn't a muscle car. The mustang never really was either.
My opinion, while other "enthusiasts" may hate me for it, is this. The companies are there to turn a profit, there is an estimated 7.03 BILLION people on the planet. If you are conservative and say just 2.5 billion are driving age in countries where they can actually drive, that's still a ton of buyers.
The cars that make it from paper, to clay, to metal, to the dealers have to, as a business model, appeal to the highest number of those people as possible. That is NOT purists and forum junkies and racers. This small group generally hated each new generation of whatever their favorite nameplate is, yet, the cars keep selling and keep growing on people.
Whatever it takes to keep the big 3 selling enough cars to survive is basically what they should do
Lt1_8U
10-03-2012, 08:55 AM
If they made the newer age muscle cars identical to the original cars of the 60s and 70s it would take the excitement out of seeing one. You don't see many on the road and that's what interests people to own a classic car and go to meets to see them.
If they made a new nova identical to mine I'd be pissed.(if mine was completed lol)
BonzoHansen
10-03-2012, 09:04 AM
the rendering I saw a while back looked like the 2014 probe. yippee! lol
mustang sales continue to disappoint, they have milked the retro market. time to change. if that change is good is still to be seen
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 09:49 AM
but you can relate them down the like newer ones i dont think so
but you can relate them down the like newer ones i dont think so
what do you mean? this is missing words, or punctuation, or english??
91chevywt
10-03-2012, 10:35 AM
I think it's a mistake to assume that every modern sports car built needs to look like the old version. It's a totally different car. The old versions are still out there and can easily be bought, if that's what you want.
sweetbmxrider
10-03-2012, 10:37 AM
The aston martin twist on the new ford stuff looks amazing.
1320B4U
10-03-2012, 10:44 AM
They could retro the 70-73 mach fastbacks or retro the early 2nd gen f/bodies...always thought of that but what breathed new life into the who retro theme was the new beetle and mustang when they first came out..seemed like retro worked....but to go w/what MIKE said originally is true...market tests after tests, listening to the buyers and general turn of the industry is what dictates how a car is going to look....even down to the instrumentation that may look apple'ish is to mimic what buyers want or are into at the time.
WayFast84
10-03-2012, 10:48 AM
The aston martin twist on the new ford stuff looks amazing.
The problem is that all of the cars look the same. Now if you don't like the front end you are done looking at fords. They need to have some variation. Just like chevy needs to do. Other than that I agree with the majority here. 10 years of the same general body with only bumper changes is what kills cars. Look at fourth gens.
band77one
10-03-2012, 11:08 AM
They need to sell cars. End of story.
There's a reason the SS died in 1972 and did not come back officially until the 5th gens..
what do you mean officially ? my 4th gen is an ss.
Anti_Rice_Guy
10-03-2012, 11:18 AM
The aston martin twist on the new ford stuff looks amazing.
+1
what do you mean officially ? my 4th gen is an ss.
SLP made it, not GM directly is probably what WBT is getting at.
WildBillyT
10-03-2012, 11:21 AM
+1
SLP made it, not GM directly is probably what WBT is getting at.
Yup. 3rd party involvement.
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 12:35 PM
but they show no heritage of there roots
WildBillyT
10-03-2012, 12:41 PM
but they show no heritage of there roots
You think a 4th gen Camaro does? Only thing I can think of that they share with the previous 2 generatios is the much maligned "cat hump", which stayed due to laziness even after it stopped being necessary.
Should we go back to carbs too?
jam01
10-03-2012, 01:52 PM
They need to sell cars. End of story.
There's a reason the SS died in 1972 and did not come back officially until the 5th gens. And the Z-28 died in 75-76.
The Camaro itself was almost cancelled in 72-73 outright.
1976 nova ss.
Blackbirdws6
10-03-2012, 02:02 PM
Should we go back to carbs too?
Careful you don't get Kohler too excited.
1320B4U
10-03-2012, 02:05 PM
I think making modern engines look pretty will continue to be done w/plastic overlays for factory setups.....
...inconjunction w/ cleverly placed 'windows'
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 02:12 PM
look at the head lights from the 3rd gen to lt1 and in that time cars were getting modernised and more sleek look at the 93-94 mustangs
WildBillyT
10-03-2012, 02:29 PM
1976 nova ss.
I was talking about the F-body...
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 05:45 PM
as long as a car was out sourced i dont feel its a truly made by that company like people say the gt500 beat the zl1 so ford wins no shelby modified a ford mustake to be good send a zl1 to a tuning company and see what happens
as long as a car was out sourced i dont feel its a truly made by that company like people say the gt500 beat the zl1 so ford wins no shelby modified a ford mustake to be good send a zl1 to a tuning company and see what happens
If it can be ordered from a dealer and carries a warranty it is made by that company.
Also. You picked a 100% incorrect example, the gt500 is built at and by ford and simply lisenced by Shelby
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 06:15 PM
then the ss is also made bu chevy that would mean?
then the ss is also made bu chevy that would mean?
Yes. There is no slp or asc dealers. All that was mentioned before is that the name wasn't afficially carried on by gm.
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 06:19 PM
ehh lost me there
ehh lost me there
the ss nameplate was licensed to slp to modify z28 camaros into ss camaros. they were ordered at gm dealers, and built at gm factories as z28s. then shipped to slp to be modified. then shipped to the customers dealer. all the paperwork the customer signs is with gm. the car is warrentied by gm, replacement parts are bought at gm.. it IS a gm
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 06:41 PM
so gm sold SS cars
deadtrend1
10-03-2012, 06:48 PM
so gm sold SS cars
Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn IS Finkle!!
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 06:50 PM
so gm sold it through a slp license but its not a true gm car right
LTb1ow
10-03-2012, 06:50 PM
My car was made by canadians
if you run the vin. it is a z28, so it IS a true gm car, but it is NOT a true gm ss car
grazi
10-03-2012, 06:52 PM
Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn IS Finkle!!
Your gun is digging in to my hip
deadtrend1
10-03-2012, 06:53 PM
so gm sold it through a slp license but its not a true gm car right
its not complicated so here we go ...
Somewhere in Canada, Gm made a 99 camaro Z28. Shipped it nextdoor to SLP's temporary facility. SLP put on a hood, rims, exhaust, airbox and some badges that said SS.
The car was sent to a dealer in which a customer bought it. That dealership and many GM ones like it, warranty everything on it. And everyone lived happily and drove the cars and won trophies and bitches ...
its not complicated so here we go ...
Somewhere in Canada, Gm made a 99 camaro Z28. Shipped it nextdoor to SLP's temporary facility. SLP put on a hood, rims, exhaust, airbox and some badges that said SS.
The car was sent to a dealer in which a customer bought it. That dealership and many GM ones like it, warranty everything on it. And everyone lived happily and drove the cars and won trophies and bitches ...
i feel like someone said that already... but maybe i saw it on google
rickyd13
10-03-2012, 06:56 PM
so its the same as the gt500 an out of house car when the zl1 is an in house build
deadtrend1
10-03-2012, 06:57 PM
so its the same as the gt500 an out of house car when the zl1 is an in house build
I think we are comparing apples to cucumbers here
so its the same as the gt500 an out of house car when the zl1 is an in house build
NO
the gt500 and zl1 are both in house cars.
If it can be ordered from a dealer and carries a warranty it is made by that company.
Also. You picked a 100% incorrect example, the gt500 is built at and by ford and simply lisenced by Shelby
just quoting this so its easy to find again
BonzoHansen
10-03-2012, 07:12 PM
Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn IS Finkle!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_11Ys6wmW_BM/TLp5VilNQKI/AAAAAAAABgY/dxOIgqx9rTw/s1600/fyvush-poster.jpg
donnj
10-03-2012, 07:20 PM
man o man, must be the weather... rain rain go away
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BigAls87Z28
10-05-2012, 07:04 AM
Prepare for the brain-**** of this thread....
Sometime in 1999-2000, SLP stopped doing the retrofits and became a Tier 1 supplier, so all hoods, wheels, exhausts and all the rest of the stuff were sent to the St.Therese plant so that it could be built on the line along with the rest of the cars.
SLP Engineering of Michigan, not SLP Performance of Toms River, made the parts and shipped them to the plant like many other Tier 1 suppliers.
As for the OP, a few things:
The rendering your dad sent you is most likely wrong. They are taking information or just plain guessing on what the next Mustang will look like based of Ford's new "One Ford" global design language (aka the Aston face). That's it. At this point, no one outside of a few dozen design people and Ford executives know what the car looks like, and event then, that design isn't set in stone.
New Mustang isn't going to show it's face till January 2014, so there is a lot of time between now and then.
With that said, I like most of the design "ideas" that a few outlets have put out because 1) the One Ford face is beautiful, and 2) they will keep the heritage body cues that they have now and just integrate them into the new design theme.
Chevy is moving away from the dual-port grill and moving to a more "Camaro" like face for some of its vehicles. The new Impala and to a lesser extent, the Traverse, all wear this new face.
Things change, so don't let your panties get caught in a knot.
WildBillyT
10-05-2012, 07:16 AM
Prepare for the brain-**** of this thread....
Sometime in 1999-2000, SLP stopped doing the retrofits and became a Tier 1 supplier, so all hoods, wheels, exhausts and all the rest of the stuff were sent to the St.Therese plant so that it could be built on the line along with the rest of the cars.
SLP Engineering of Michigan, not SLP Performance of Toms River, made the parts and shipped them to the plant like many other Tier 1 suppliers.
As for the OP, a few things:
The rendering your dad sent you is most likely wrong. They are taking information or just plain guessing on what the next Mustang will look like based of Ford's new "One Ford" global design language (aka the Aston face). That's it. At this point, no one outside of a few dozen design people and Ford executives know what the car looks like, and event then, that design isn't set in stone.
New Mustang isn't going to show it's face till January 2014, so there is a lot of time between now and then.
With that said, I like most of the design "ideas" that a few outlets have put out because 1) the One Ford face is beautiful, and 2) they will keep the heritage body cues that they have now and just integrate them into the new design theme.
Chevy is moving away from the dual-port grill and moving to a more "Camaro" like face for some of its vehicles. The new Impala and to a lesser extent, the Traverse, all wear this new face.
Things change, so don't let your panties get caught in a knot.
Al:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I'm under the impression that SLP was the ones who designed the hoods, mods, etc for the car. Right?
BigAls87Z28
10-05-2012, 09:30 PM
Al:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I'm under the impression that SLP was the ones who designed the hoods, mods, etc for the car. Right?
Yes, designed and made. In 96-98 I believe all cars were shipped to SLP for the upgrades, but it wasn't till 99 or 2000 when SLP parts were shipped to the plant for both cars just like any other tier 1 supplier.
Yes, designed and made. In 96-98 I believe all cars were shipped to SLP for the upgrades, but it wasn't till 99 or 2000 when SLP parts were shipped to the plant for both cars just like any other tier 1 supplier.
read from 1993 on...
http://www.zekesauto.com/en/history.htm
WildBillyT
10-06-2012, 12:18 PM
Yes, designed and made. In 96-98 I believe all cars were shipped to SLP for the upgrades, but it wasn't till 99 or 2000 when SLP parts were shipped to the plant for both cars just like any other tier 1 supplier.
Thanks Al.
So yes. 1996-2002 SS cars were not traditional GM trim levels as they were created and executed by SLP.
Further proof is the GM ZL1 and SLP ZL1 cars. Only one is "official". It ain't the SLP version.
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