Want so bad....

[Blacdout96]

The stars are aligning.....to piss me off. This guys in NJ, and has a complete Engine, and yet, do to certain circumstances, funds are low and I must back away....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cosworth-Vega-Engine-4cyl-Inline-Four-Twin-cam-/290784635782?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43b41d6b86&vxp=mtr

Another Cosworth Moment for me was last year when a complete rust free Cosworth was priced to move, or it was getting scrapped.....but was located in Arizona. I just happen to have a friend transporting cars driving by Scottsdale at the time, and yet my budget was just shy to grab it.....I hope it didn't see the inside of the car crusher...


Who else has come across something they wanted/needed, and it was either too good to be true, or it was just out of your reach?

[1320B4U]

Selena Gomez was in ny a month ago....so close yet so far.

[Blacdout96]

Selena Gomez was in ny a month ago....so close yet so far.

I award you 3 brownie points for your witty comment.

[sweetbmxrider]

I'm going to start sending you pictures of my dumps because you seem to be fascinated with crap :lol:

[LTb1ow]

I really want a 48ft gooseneck car trailer, but, have no place for it.

[NastyEllEssWon]

crap in one hand and wish in the other....id rather have the crappy hand :D

[Blacdout96]

I'm going to start sending you pictures of my dumps because you seem to be fascinated with crap :lol:

You may not be able to polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter. :rofl:

[grazi]

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/3395278291.html

[Blacdout96]

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/3395278291.html

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/Balcdout96/Fap_Meme1_RE_Tips_on_how_to_masturbate-s300x300-206447.jpg




Sad to say, I don't want the whole car, I just want the engine and trans. Want to either swap it into an 88 Fiero GT, or a 69-73 Opel GT

[BonzoHansen]

boy, you have a fetish for cars no one else wants. why woud you want that archaic and troublesome motor and efi system is beyond me.

[WildBillyT]

boy, you have a fetish for cars no one else wants. why woud you want that archaic and troublesome motor and efi system is beyond me.

Says Captain Crossfire. LOL.

[unstable bob gable]

There is a Cosworth Vega parked in front of a Psychic's shop that I pass on my way to work. Funny thing is that I always see nice cars parked there. I've seen a Chevelle SS, a nice 90s Vette, a Ferrari 360, etc

Oh, and now that I'm in the process of getting my SRT4 I'm also finding other cars I like...I'm a sucker for a nice Taurus SHO...

[BonzoHansen]

Says Captain Crossfire. LOL.

Notice I don't have one now lol. At least it was a v8! And I don't long to put a cf motor in a pinto or monza

[WildBillyT]

Cosworth Vega is cool in a quirky way. Like a Ferrari 308 QV. Or dare I say a nice GN.

[BonzoHansen]

yes. but taking the drive train out of that and dropping it in an equally quirky car does not make it twice as interesting. Or maybe it does like looking at a car accident lol

[Blacdout96]

There is a Cosworth Vega parked in front of a Psychic's shop that I pass on my way to work. Funny thing is that I always see nice cars parked there. I've seen a Chevelle SS, a nice 90s Vette, a Ferrari 360, etc

Oh, and now that I'm in the process of getting my SRT4 I'm also finding other cars I like...I'm a sucker for a nice Taurus SHO...

YES UBG!!!! I love the intake setup on them, makes my head spin thinking of how to work on that. Seen one a few years back, dark green, stick, and guy wanted 3500, but I'm sure it was whooped and had it's fair share of problems.

yes. but taking the drive train out of that and dropping it in an equally quirky car does not make it twice as interesting. Or maybe it does like looking at a car accident lol

I'm not going to start a fire here, but V8's aren't everything. I understand this is a Camaro/Fire Bird/ Corvette/ Murica, **** Yeah site, but that doesn't mean it has to be V8 or no way does it fly here. As you already know, I do enjoy road racing, and what would be more awesome then a 4 cylinder engine that was designed to produce 180hp stock in 1969?? ( although, due to emissions, it was reduced to 110HP when it came out) Rev around 6500 RPM, but can be built to withstand 8500 RPM with a few changes, and if built right, can support 240-260hp.....mind you, this is America's first DOHC engine, first electronic fuel injection, and was all aluminum. It's a Honda crusher engine from the states, AND is old school.

Then take an Opel GT, weighing less then 2100lbs. stock, and you have the recipe for a underdog road racing car, that can take on some of the best out there. Not quirky, intriguing. Same thing with an 88 Fiero GT, the suspension upgrade for that year made a night and day difference in handling.

[WildBillyT]

what would be more awesome then an engine that was designed to produce 180hp stock in 1969??

Engines that made 400+ hp stock in 1969. 302s can turn 7-8000RPM stock.

That's 180 gross, too. Granted I like all the old road race stuff as well, but the engine is cool for being different, not for really setting any records. Wasn't it all aluminum with no liners, too?

[Blacdout96]

Fixed lol. And how much do true DZ engines go for now a days? Yes you can do the 283 block/327 crank deal, but if were going to do engine info, might as well be factory engines.

[WildBillyT]

Fixed lol. And how much do true DZ engines go for now a days? Yes you can do the 283 block/327 crank deal, but if were going to do engine info, might as well be factory engines.


A big part of the Cosworth appeal to me is the fact that the car itself was great for the times. Neutral handling, good stiffness, etc. Kind of like my buddy's '84 SVO.

The lack of cyl liners is a death sentence IMO. Would have to tear it open and have steel installed so I could drive it.

You can have a 302 without the need for a verified DZ. And that's being short sighted for all of the '67 and 68 Z's ;)

[BonzoHansen]

Lol you're so eady to tweak.

I got nothing against 4 cylinders. I drive a turbo 4 everyday. That vega motor, while neat and ahead of it's time (well not really, but advanced for 70s gm think) is certainly not anything I'd want to spend anytime on. Flathead fords can go fast too but I wouldn't want one of them either.

If one must have that ancient engine with dubius reliability is your thing I'd leave it on the vega. Also a light car with a good suspension. what does putting it in an opel get you that the vega does not offer?

[Blacdout96]

The lack of cyl liners is a death sentence IMO. Would have to tear it open and have steel installed so I could drive it.


Absolutely correct, without cast iron liners, a cylinder bridge ( like what high horsepower honda's use) and a couple other goodies, they will literally split in half from the vibrations. Also, GM produced an HD block to correct that, but by the time it came out, GM ditched the Cozy Vega program, and scrapped thousands of regular complete cozy engines sitting in warehouses, and the HD blocks are worth their weight in gold.


what does putting it in an opel get you that the vega does not offer?

600 lbs. difference stock. Cozy Vega is 2700 lbs. stock, Opel is 2100 with the 1.9 Litre, and in the teens with the 1.1 Litre engine and options missing.

Power to weight ratio

DZ 302 Camaro - 0.10 hp/lbs. ( w/ 400hp and 3,765 lbs.)
Opel/Cozy engine - 0.12 hp/lbs ( w 240hp and 1,900 lbs.)

[unstable bob gable]

I remember seeing a Cosworth Vega in a magazine years ago, and the owner had ditched the stock FI for some side draft Webers. Had all kinds of other mods, too. Pretty neat car from what I remember.

And to see a Vega now a days that hadn't rusted on the show room floor is just plain good. :)

[Blacdout96]

I'd either do the Webers ( So sexy with velocity stack on them) or take a modern EFI system, like out of a Cobalt, and use that. Not sure if the computer would allow for 8500 RPM, but I'm sure there's a way around it.

[WildBillyT]

Absolutely correct, without cast iron liners, a cylinder bridge ( like what high horsepower honda's use) and a couple other goodies, they will literally split in half from the vibrations. Also, GM produced an HD block to correct that, but by the time it came out, GM ditched the Cozy Vega program, and scrapped thousands of regular complete cozy engines sitting in warehouses, and the HD blocks are worth their weight in gold.



600 lbs. difference stock. Cozy Vega is 2700 lbs. stock, Opel is 2100 with the 1.9 Litre, and in the teens with the 1.1 Litre engine and options missing.

Power to weight ratio

DZ 302 Camaro - 0.10 hp/lbs. ( w/ 400hp and 3,765 lbs.)
Opel/Cozy engine - 0.12 hp/lbs ( w 240hp and 1,900 lbs.)

3765 is heavy for a first gen Z. Official weight is somewhere around 3300.

I remember seeing a Cosworth Vega in a magazine years ago, and the owner had ditched the stock FI for some side draft Webers. Had all kinds of other mods, too. Pretty neat car from what I remember.

And to see a Vega now a days that hadn't rusted on the show room floor is just plain good. :)

There's a guy on Rt 22 in Lebanon who has an old Formula 5000 engine with Webers on it. Looks sweet as hell on the stand, but I'm sure it's tons of hours and dollars away from ever running again.

[Blacdout96]

There's a guy on Rt 22 in Lebanon who has an old Formula 5000 engine with Webers on it. Looks sweet as hell on the stand, but I'm sure it's tons of hours and dollars away from ever running again.

Shut the front door! What's the asking price for it? I would return that to museum quality, and sit it in my living room or man cave...


and 400/3300 is 0.12 ratio, same as the cozy

[BonzoHansen]

I remember seeing a Cosworth Vega in a magazine years ago, and the owner had ditched the stock FI for some side draft Webers. Had all kinds of other mods, too. Pretty neat car from what I remember.

And to see a Vega now a days that hadn't rusted on the show room floor is just plain good. :)

all true!

600 lbs. difference stock. Cozy Vega is 2700 lbs. stock, Opel is 2100 with the 1.9 Litre, and in the teens with the 1.1 Litre engine and options missing.

Power to weight ratio

DZ 302 Camaro - 0.10 hp/lbs. ( w/ 400hp and 3,765 lbs.)
Opel/Cozy engine - 0.12 hp/lbs ( w 240hp and 1,900 lbs.)
I love weight talk. a race trim z28 is probably closer to 3200 lbs. it's longer & wider too, I'd guess and that should help on a road course, at least to offset some of the weight. To be apples to apples let's estimate a basic race trim z28 with a far more reliable drive train

600hp / 3200 = 0.1875 hp/lbs
550 / 3200 = 0.1719

huh.

vega has a half decent suspension for racing. not sure what the opel has or how easy it is to get parts. can you even get parts for it? you cannot overlook the entire package in the single name of weight.

plus it would be silly to take apart a good cosworth vega. it's a cool little car.

I'd rather build a mustang II with an LS motor in it. put some stickies on it and some other stuff and go racing. far better than an old opal and a troublesome cosworth motor. An ecotech, a honda vtec or hell even a full built quad 4 is better. I can think out of the box. But you have to identify the bad, more expensive, albeit maybe 'cooler' boxes lol

different can be cool. the cosworth vega is cool. a fiero with a northstar or lsx for instance. it can be stupid too, like a 3rd gen with 24s on it, one with a turbo 2.8L.

I'll take cubic displacement for $500 Alex.

[Blacdout96]

Well then Bonzo, lets do this, go buy, or build an authentic DZ Z28, Ill build my Cozy Opel, and see which one is better. Numbers are numbers really, until you put them to the test. Then, when were done, we'll put our bills together of what it cost, and see which one was more bang for you buck.

[WildBillyT]

Well then Bonzo, lets do this, go buy, or build an authentic DZ Z28, Ill build my Cozy Opel, and see which one is better. Numbers are numbers really, until you put them to the test. Then, when were done, we'll put our bills together of what it cost, and see which one was more bang for you buck.

http://www.publispain.com/posters/you_got_served.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

i bet I can build a solid 302 cheaper than a solid cosworth! :)

302 is proven, parts are ample, as is knowledge.

hey, school us. show us how to build that motor and costs. I'll give all props on it.

what if we put my 600hp SBC into that opal!

[Blacdout96]

It would probably tear in half. In fact, it would be looney tune style, where the front half stays still, but the back half would spin like a propeller

[BonzoHansen]

LOL

http://content9.flixster.com/photo/11/06/02/11060291_gal.jpg

[unstable bob gable]

Back in da day there were lots of V8 powered Opals being put together, mostly as drag cars. I'd like to see one done up with a hi-po 4 cylinder.

Hey, whatever floats your boat. Different is cool. I want a Viper, was ready to look at Chargers, and ended up with a Caliber SRT4, lol.

[sweetbmxrider]

They have opal's from time to time on pass time and they go fast.

[Featherburner]

Flathead fords can go fast too but I wouldn't want one of them either.
Really? I'd love to have one!

[Blacdout96]

Back in da day there were lots of V8 powered Opals being put together, mostly as drag cars. I'd like to see one done up with a hi-po 4 cylinder.

Hey, whatever floats your boat. Different is cool. I want a Viper, was ready to look at Chargers, and ended up with a Caliber SRT4, lol.

They have opal's from time to time on pass time and they go fast.

http://www.dinosaursandrobots.com/2008/09/opel-gt-drag-car.html

Tubalicious!!!

[BonzoHansen]

Really? I'd love to have one!

It would just sit on your shelf

[Featherburner]

It would just sit on your shelf

Still would be cool!

[Blacdout96]

Found another little gem. I'd rebuild this, and stuff a 331cu Hemi with a 4 speed to her, and have a blast at vintage festivals.....oh and make it road legal!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1961-Fiberglass-race-car-/150954662473?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2325995a49