QQ Plates

[zraffz]

On DMV's website they state the car must be 100% original to qualify for historic plates but I see plenty of vehicles with side pipes, aftermarket body parts/wheels/etc.

Would a car with an aftermarket grill and cowl hood be disqualified for QQ plates? I will have to mail in the Form, Pictures and Check because I want custom QQ plates.

[1QWIKBIRD]

I think as along as the car is 25 years old you'll be fine. I doubt a grill change/cowl hood would hold you up.

[zraffz]

In the example section of DMV's website a cowl hood, grill change, and other things like side pipes fail to meet the requirements. But I see all these cars running around with QQs and aren't 100% stock. I doubt all these guys changed their hoods, exhaust, or anything else for 2 pictures.

[coolmanvette75]

My dad's car is 100% not stock and he has QQ plates...

[BurninrubberGT]

we just got QQ's on the trans am and it has rims and the spoiler that are not original to the year of the car. I have seen plenty of QQ's with obvious aftermarket parts, I don't think they take it as seriously as the website says

[Featherburner]

we just got QQ's on the trans am and it has rims and the spoiler that are not original to the year of the car. I have seen plenty of QQ's with obvious aftermarket parts, I don't think they take it as seriously as the website saysI think Polarbear would say otherwise.

[BonzoHansen]

they have clamped down a bit in the past few years.

what you see on the road matters not. owner could have made changes after reg was done since you only do it once. like taking cats out of a late model after you go through inspection.

you can do it right at dmv, no mailing anything.

[PolarBear]

Would a car with an aftermarket grill and cowl hood be disqualified for QQ plates? I will have to mail in the Form, Pictures and Check because I want custom QQ plates.

Grille? Probably not if it is close to the original design. Cowl hood? Most definitely, but you can try.

On the MVC website they show a car with some gauges on the hood, fail! There are many instances like that, you can look. I provided all the links in the resto section

[zraffz]

I want to change the grill anyway and put a stock one back in. I suppose I can find a beaten up hood, rattle can it to match the car and snap a few pictures.
I would rather not make out a money order and have it declined and waste $40 or w.e it is on the money order.

[PolarBear]

I want to change the grill anyway and put a stock one back in. I suppose I can find a beaten up hood, rattle can it to match the car and snap a few pictures.
I would rather not make out a money order and have it declined and waste $40 or w.e it is on the money order.

Paint wont matter, originality and completion are the only things that do. And rather than waste your time with mailing it, just go to one of the MVC's that do it in person. That way you don't have to wonder if you're going to get them

All the info you need is here (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52570)

[zraffz]

Paint wont matter, originality and completion are the only things that do. And rather than waste your time with mailing it, just go to one of the MVC's that do it in person. That way you don't have to wonder if you're going to get them

All the info you need is here (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52570)

I was under the impression to get custom plates it had to be done through the mail?

[WildBillyT]

I was under the impression to get custom plates it had to be done through the mail?

You will get the plates through the mail.

And FWIW, when I got my plates I sent them pics of my primered car and they did not care.

[zraffz]

So why would I wanna drive an hour+ and waste gas instead of change my grill, hood and send it all in the mail lol?
Am I missing something? Is it easier to do this in person instead of through the mail?

[PolarBear]

Is it easier to do this in person instead of through the mail?

Instant gratification :-?

I am also guessing you havent read the requirements that I linked fully. You are not taking the actual car to the MVC, just pictures

[WildBillyT]

So why would I wanna drive an hour+ and waste gas instead of change my grill, hood and send it all in the mail lol?
Am I missing something? Is it easier to do this in person instead of through the mail?

Basic psychology. It is much easier to deny somebody when they are not staring you in the face.

[zraffz]

Basic psychology. It is much easier to deny somebody when they are not staring you in the face.

I guess so but if the car appears 100% stock but painted with primer and aftermarket wheels, I don't see how they can fail it. Wanted to avoid taking out the hood pins and buying/changing the hood for a few pictures but if it makes me pass I will do it. Either way I wanted a new grill so I'm fine with that lol.

[WildBillyT]

I guess so but if the car appears 100% stock but painted with primer and aftermarket wheels, I don't see how they can fail it. Wanted to avoid taking out the hood pins and buying/changing the hood for a few pictures but if it makes me pass I will do it. Either way I wanted a new grill so I'm fine with that lol.

Take pictures without the pins in place. Cowl hoods were factory on first gens :mrgreen:

[PolarBear]

Cowl hoods were factory on first gens :mrgreen:

As long as you dont get some moron that doesnt know WTF they are talking about.

Remember, the RS front end was the only one available on the early 2nd gens, a standard front end is wrong :rollseye:

[WildBillyT]

Another case for going in person. Bring ammo.

[sweetbmxrider]

Photoshop it

[BonzoHansen]

I'd never suggest bringing in pics of someone else's car. No, I'd never say that. Lol

[zraffz]

I'd never suggest bringing in pics of someone else's car. No, I'd never say that. Lol

I thought about photoshopping it lmao. Would they really know?

[WildBillyT]

I thought about photoshopping it lmao. Would they really know?

If they catch you, is it worth it?

[zraffz]

If they catch you, is it worth it?

Won't just deny my application? Possibility to save like $80 on a beater hood lol.

[greenformula92]

To give a little insight here my cousin for QQ for his 77 blazer. With a cowl hood, lifted 4 inches and spray bombed black. You shouldn't have an issue

[Blackbirdws6]

Won't just deny my application? Possibility to save like $80 on a beater hood lol.

I don't think you want to try and fraud the state because that's simply what it is. Not qualifying is one thing but purposely providing falsified documents would likely not end well. Submit the application, if it gets denied, spend the money on the hood.

[WildBillyT]

Won't just deny my application? Possibility to save like $80 on a beater hood lol.

Doubt it. It's fraud, and they probably don't take too kindly to people trying to abuse the new system after the old one was trashed so bad.

[V]

Even if they deny for the hood, can't you maybe just find someone who can lend you one? lay it on, take a picture then remove it. No need to even bolt it on, I doubt they will care about perfect fitment.

[zraffz]

Even if they deny for the hood, can't you maybe just find someone who can lend you one? lay it on, take a picture then remove it. No need to even bolt it on, I doubt they will care about perfect fitment.

This would be ideal. I found one that "needs paint" for $70 in central jersey (but that's a 2 hour trip).

[84z350crate]

I have a cowl hood on my 84. All that matters is the car must be 25 years old

[PolarBear]

I have a cowl hood on my 84. All that matters is the car must be 25 years old

You may have gotten your Historic plates while having a cowl hood, but this is NOT correct information. According to the MVC the car MUST BE STOCK IN APPEARANCE.

[L695speed]

You may have gotten your Historic plates while having a cowl hood, but this is NOT correct information. According to the MVC the car MUST BE STOCK IN APPEARANCE.

I don't recall who it was, it may have been yourself, but didn't someone get denied for having a stock 77 TA front clip, that was original to the car because it was claimed by them to be not stock? All because it had a shaker hood?

FWIW, my brother took the bra off his beat to hell Fiero, snapped the photos and got the plates. When I did my 84 TA, I had a hood half in primer. Went to trenton (back before they expanded it) and got the plates was in and out of the building in less than 30 min.

[BonzoHansen]

I think the point is they have changed or tightened up the rules in the past year or so. what flew 5 years ago might not anymore.

I don;t think you can even get them in Trenton anymore. that is where I got mine.

[zraffz]

I'm doing it through the mail no matter what. I don't think they give a damn about paint or wheels. Regardless I will call and double check; if it's an issue I'll primer the car so it's one color.
They seem to be concerned about factory appearance as far as body panels go. No aftermarket style grilles, mirrors, additional body parts, or especially missing parts.

Now, I'd like to just go buy a 2" or 2.5" cowl hood (whatever came stock on some of them; since the vin won't distinguish the exact model anyway) but I have some doubts about it clearing with a victor jr and spray plate. With a large air cleaner, no plate and the victor jr I might be able to fit a 4" hood but that would be very tight. Even with a shorter air cleaner I can't see it fitting with the addition of the spray plate.

I guess to play it on the safe side I take the carb, air cleaner and hood pins off and get a stock hood to snap a few pictures.

[PolarBear]

I don't recall who it was, it may have been yourself, but didn't someone get denied for having a stock 77 TA front clip, that was original to the car because it was claimed by them to be not stock? All because it had a shaker hood?

I have a 73 and when I went for my plates the car had a standard front end and the dumbass woman said it was "wrong".

My point was that you are trying to say that all that matters is 25 years old, when this is simply not correct. I did not want someone to go through with a car without stock appearance and then get denied, and wonder why.

[amargari]

I have a 73 and when I went for my plates the car had a standard front end and the dumbass woman said it was "wrong".

My point was that you are trying to say that all that matters is 25 years old, when this is simply not correct. I did not want someone to go through with a car without stock appearance and then get denied, and wonder why.

Wow. I am glad I got mine 3 years ago.

[KevinW]

This is from the NJ MVC Historic (QQ) registration application :)

Brief Description & Eligibility - Historic registration may be assigned to an antique vehicle which is at least twenty-five (25) years old. The vehicle must be owned as a collector’s item and used solely for exhibition or educational purposes. Please note that the vehicle cannot be altered from the manufacturer’s original design in any way and must be equipped for legal operation on New Jersey roadways. Historic registration must be renewed every three (3) years, but there will be no-fee for the renewal.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/Vehicles/SP-121.pdf

I underlined that surprising sentence :D

[zraffz]

You can have different wheels but that's about it. As far as outside appearance it needs to look 100% stock.

[L695speed]

This is from the NJ MVC Historic (QQ) registration application :)



http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/Vehicles/SP-121.pdf

I underlined that surprising sentence :D

When did they put that sentence in? I got my plates three years ago.

[andy78TA]

I don't recall who it was, it may have been yourself, but didn't someone get denied for having a stock 77 TA front clip, that was original to the car because it was claimed by them to be not stock? All because it had a shaker hood?

FWIW, my brother took the bra off his beat to hell Fiero, snapped the photos and got the plates. When I did my 84 TA, I had a hood half in primer. Went to trenton (back before they expanded it) and got the plates was in and out of the building in less than 30 min.

I think that was me actually... A 78 but yeah I was denied because of the shaker hood and a bunch of other stupid little things including tires and the roof. In the end DO NOT GO TO FLEMINGTON. I got my plates no problem in Somerville. Brought the same pictures and I was all set. It is A LOT harder now though. It used to be anyone really could go in, but I also know a lot of people who just pulled pictures off the internet and gave them that.