Diesel 1500 dodge?

[LTb1ow]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/06/ram-1500-likely-to-get-turbo-diesel.html

Al, if this goes through, will GM come out with similar?

[redsoxsstink]

i can see this being fairly popular, as long as the cost of the diesel isnt that much. with speculated power 1500 models will have almost as much as their big brother 2500 gassers.

[sweetbmxrider]

So you are going to have a weak ass diesel on a weak ass frame and people are going to try to tow houses? Great.

[LTb1ow]

So you are going to have a weak ass diesel on a weak ass frame and people are going to try to tow houses? Great.

People think the tundra can tow the space shuttle, so there will always be dumb out there.

Just a cool alternative to getting a gas truck if you don't need a larger diesel.

A well tuned, emissions deleted diesel, in a 1500/Colorado would be a much better MPG setup than a gas engine.

[1320B4U]

People think the tundra can tow the space shuttle, so there will always be dumb out there.

****...anyone want to by a space shuttle...i'll even throw in a taxidermy'd squirrel/snake montage

[Jersey Mike]

****...anyone want to by a space shuttle...i'll even throw in a taxidermy'd squirrel/snake montage

slow golf clap & "Not bad" face here.

[BigAls87Z28]

GM had he MiniMax, but the costs were running out of control.

Cummins has a 5.0 diesel engine that they developed for Nissan's Titan, but Nissan backed out and they are left with a really expensive engine program. GM was in talks to use it for the K2XX trucks.

VM Motori was a joint venture between GM and Fiat. The Cruze's diesel is made by the same company.
The Colorado has a diesel engine already. Basically, Dodge will use a diesel V6 to combat the Ecoboost from Ford.

[sweetbmxrider]

Just a cool alternative to getting a gas truck if you don't need a larger diesel.

Who wouldn't want a full size truck :bertstare:

[LTb1ow]

GM had he MiniMax, but the costs were running out of control.

Cummins has a 5.0 diesel engine that they developed for Nissan's Titan, but Nissan backed out and they are left with a really expensive engine program. GM was in talks to use it for the K2XX trucks.

VM Motori was a joint venture between GM and Fiat. The Cruze's diesel is made by the same company.
The Colorado has a diesel engine already. Basically, Dodge will use a diesel V6 to combat the Ecoboost from Ford.

Thank you, but this is not new.

I was asking if this may prompt GM to bring said diesel in the Colorado to the states, or develop a diesel 1500 chassis. GM only has the 4.8/5.3 to compete with the ecoboost ford BS right?

Who wouldn't want a full size truck :bertstare:

Like a 1 ton truck? Don't think GM makes a 1 ton SRW anymore. And DRW trucks are just silly.

[sweetbmxrider]

No, I mean like a single cab long bed versus a nissan titan :bertstare:

[LTb1ow]

No, I mean like a single cab long bed versus a nissan titan :bertstare:

A 1500 SCLB vs a titan?

Do not follow where you are going here.

[sweetbmxrider]

A 1500 SCLB vs a titan?

Do not follow where you are going here.

:bertstare: (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62280&highlight=%22full+size%22)

Somewhere, out in the boa land of misguided posts, you said something along the lines of there is no point in owning a truck if it isn't full size.

[LTb1ow]

:bertstare: (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62280&highlight=%22full+size%22)

Somewhere, out in the boa land of misguided posts, you said something along the lines of there is no point in owning a truck if it isn't full size.

Well yea, right up there with no point in owning a safari jeep without going on safaris!

[sweetbmxrider]

Well yea, right up there with no point in owning a safari jeep without going on safaris!

Good thing I just came back from one!

[Featherburner]

Diesels are smelly and dirty!:-P

[Dudbird113]

Nothin beats the smell of burning diesel and the sound of spooling turbo through a straight pipe. Next truck i gets gonna be a diesel

[WildBillyT]

Nothin beats the smell of burning diesel and the sound of spooling turbo through a straight pipe. Next truck i gets gonna be a diesel

The smell of c16 through dual exhaust of a 707 BBC.

[BigAls87Z28]

Thank you, but this is not new.

I was asking if this may prompt GM to bring said diesel in the Colorado to the states, or develop a diesel 1500 chassis. GM only has the 4.8/5.3 to compete with the ecoboost ford BS right?



Like a 1 ton truck? Don't think GM makes a 1 ton SRW anymore. And DRW trucks are just silly.


Get your game together brah. New GM trucks have all new engines. No more 4.8, but an all-new Gen V 4.3 V6, 5.3 V8, and 6.2 V8. GM has a twin-turbo V6 for the trucks coming,

[Featherburner]

The smell of c16 through dual exhaust of a 707 BBC.The smell of nitro methane through zoomies on a 500ci supercharged top fuel dragster!

[greenformula92]

I would take a diesel in a 1500 for the fuel economy. I wouldn't need to tow or haul a lot of weight so for someone like me it would be a good choice. But def not for everyone

[LTb1ow]

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/20/nissan-titan-turbo-diesel-v8-cummins/

Well, if you exist Al.. whats GM gonna do against this?

[sweetbmxrider]

Will they option it with a stack?

[91chevywt]

Wow, that is one ugly truck

[maroman88]

Wow, that is one ugly truck

agreed

[WildBillyT]

Will they option it with a stack?

No, but maybe a brown paper bag with eye holes cut in it.

[Jersey Mike]

Will they option it with a stack?

No, but maybe a brown paper bag with eye holes cut in it.

"OMG. No, I still can't do it!" :rofl: :rofl:

[LTb1ow]

The best will be the chummins fan boys who always claim "real" diesels are inline motors, and now... theres an almighty "C" on a V8.

Silly chummins you're not a duramax, go home your drunk.

[V]

Nothing like a 12valve

[1QWIKBIRD]

The best will be the chummins fan boys who always claim "real" diesels are inline motors, and now... theres an almighty "C" on a V8.

Silly chummins you're not a duramax, go home your drunk.

When they start putting duramax motors (or variants) in real trucks let me know. Heck even ford won't put their own diesel into their own med duty trucks, they call on the Cummins 6.7 ISB when there's real work to be done. And Chevrolet is too scared to build a true medium duty truck anymore and got out of the segment (Kodiak and TopKick) last I checked.

The Duramax might be good motors in pickup platforms, I don't know because I don't own/drive one everyday. But if you check the classifieds, the ratio of high mileage Cummins powered rigs that hold their value and are still on the road far outpaces similar Duramax powered rigs, and its not even close. That's not by accident. And now that Cummins has a V-8 variant in the Titan, we'll see how quickly (or not) they are able to school the Duramax crowd on how to do it with a V-8. Should be interesting.

Nothing like a 12valve

Amen. Shouldn't have sold my 97. My "new to me" 2004.5 HO 5.9 HPCR just ain't the same, but I'm still getting used to it.

[V]

my Ram has taken so much abuse over the years and its still going strong. 4feet of water and miles of miles of towing. even a minor engine compartment fire but was fixed easily(fuel solenoid shorted open) and same oil since 2005 lol

[LTb1ow]

When they start putting duramax motors (or variants) in real trucks let me know. Heck even ford won't put their own diesel into their own med duty trucks, they call on the Cummins 6.7 ISB when there's real work to be done. And Chevrolet is too scared to build a true medium duty truck anymore and got out of the segment (Kodiak and TopKick) last I checked.

The Duramax might be good motors in pickup platforms, I don't know because I don't own/drive one everyday. But if you check the classifieds, the ratio of high mileage Cummins powered rigs that hold their value and are still on the road far outpaces similar Duramax powered rigs, and its not even close. That's not by accident. And now that Cummins has a V-8 variant in the Titan, we'll see how quickly (or not) they are able to school the Duramax crowd on how to do it with a V-8. Should be interesting.

Amen. Shouldn't have sold my 97. My "new to me" 2004.5 HO 5.9 HPCR just ain't the same, but I'm still getting used to it.


There is a duramax in 7500's.. :nod:

[1QWIKBIRD]

There is a duramax in 7500's.. :nod:

There's also an 8.1L BBC and a CAT C7. But I still don't think they have a med duty truck offering anymore? Check the commercial truck traders, lots of the C7500 have BBC conversions listed as the engine option (what motor do you think they converted from?). There are lots of C7 Cat engines, very few Dmax. It's just not a medium duty diesel platform, that's all. Probably wasn't really ever designed to be. The Cummins platform is a true med duty diesel platform, designed that way from the jump. The variant they put in the dodge truck is so heavily detuned, its not even funny. I'm not a duramax hater or anything, but you can't deny the Cummins platform as a solid performer? You can hate on the many people that do silly things with their cummins powered dodges, but not the platform as a whole. Its a proven and reliable diesel engine family.

[LTb1ow]

There's also an 8.1L BBC and a CAT C7. But I still don't think they have a med duty truck offering anymore? Check the commercial truck traders, lots of the C7500 have BBC conversions listed as the engine option (what motor do you think they converted from?). There are lots of C7 Cat engines, very few Dmax. It's just not a medium duty diesel platform, that's all. Probably wasn't really ever designed to be. The Cummins platform is a true med duty diesel platform, designed that way from the jump. The variant they put in the dodge truck is so heavily detuned, its not even funny. I'm not a duramax hater or anything, but you can't deny the Cummins platform as a solid performer? You can hate on the many people that do silly things with their cummins powered dodges, but not the platform as a whole. Its a proven and reliable diesel engine family.

You are the one who jumped on the defend cummins soap box here, I was just being funny :nod:

I would love an old 12v as a play toy/daily driver/apocalypse vehicle, but I am stuck with a silly old Dmax for now. :lol:

[1QWIKBIRD]

You are the one who jumped on the defend cummins soap box here, I was just being funny :nod:

I would love an old 12v as a play toy/daily driver/apocalypse vehicle, but I am stuck with a silly old Dmax for now. :lol:

Its all good. I just love my cummins power. I'm sure if had a Dmax for a daily, I'd be passionate for them just the same. That motor absolutely put Chevy/GMC back on the map as far as heavy duty pickups go. They were dead in the water with their previous diesel offerings and the traditional BBC was a dinosaur in the current market place. Healthy competition is good, keeps everyone going forward. Peace.

[LTb1ow]

Woo wooo!!

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/08/diesel-power-imminent-for-2015-chevy-colorado-gmc-canyon/

[Blackbirdws6]

Will it tow shamu?

[LTb1ow]

Will it tow shamu?

They are not even 1500's, and a 1500 will not like towing your car. :lol:

[sweetbmxrider]

Dumb

[The_Bishop]

A shining example of 'too little, too late.'

[LTb1ow]

Dumb

A shining example of 'too little, too late.'

Explain?

Smaller diesels in trucks are just starting to come out, and that was only after testing the waters with sedans and diesels. Hopefully this catches on.

[The_Bishop]

They need to quit ****ing around and put a small diesel in the 1500 series already. The Canyorado platform is cool and all, but it's too small to actually do any *work* with.

[sweetbmxrider]

But you could tow a kayak to the lake!

[LTb1ow]

They need to quit ****ing around and put a small diesel in the 1500 series already. The Canyorado platform is cool and all, but it's too small to actually do any *work* with.

But you could tow a kayak to the lake!

I would assume this is a move for better MPG than similar gasser power plants.

[sweetbmxrider]

From what I gathered through light skimming, it will be around a 1-2 mpg improvement. I don't think that outweighs the $/gallon difference of diesel and regular.

[The_Bishop]

They'd make a better market impact with a diesel 1500.

Lately, it's like GM lost all their steam. The new direct injection motors in the 1500 trucks are not very impressive from a marketing numbers perspective. They're lower in HP than the competition (40 HP behind Dodge, 10 behind Ford), and more expensive to boot. Not enough models/trim levels, it's either a small motor stripper or cowboy cadillac that costs more than some homes. I'm not going to talk about style as that's a relative thing but I will say that square box designs are very 80's.

[89 Trans Am WS6]

I think this is a segment that will actually take off this time around.

GM put 6.5TDs into 1500 series trucks in the 90s and not many of them were made.

Now that consumers (non commercial buyers In the USA) have more confidence in diesel engines, I dont see why it wouldnt sell.

The half ton market is huge..if the power/mpg/price is right, it will sell.

As far as people buying "real trucks" or 'full size" ..for the majority of people its not really worth it. I am more then happy with my F150. Could I have gotten a 3/4 or 1 ton truck? Sure. Will I use that added towing capacity on a regular basis? No way. Is having a truck bed to throw car parts, beach crap, furniture, etc etc that COULD tow stuff much heavier a smarter move for me and a lot of the masses? yes.

Besides, why pay even more for registration/insurance etc. Bad enough Jersey bangs ya for a pass-comm reg on any pickup. ;x

[LTb1ow]

6.5TD... well yea, loud rattley and little power so no wonder why it did not take off in 1500's.

I am sure GM still has mini max plans on the back burner and maybe this move by Nissan will force their hand at tossing a small diesel in the 1500's.

It will be curious to see how complicated cummins made the motor to tune or modify as I am sure Nissan does not want 700ft-lb through their "full size" truck chassis.

[The_Bishop]

You mean they don't want people making steel pretzels?

[LTb1ow]

You mean they don't want people making steel pretzels?

that or just assuming Nissan can't make a transmission for it worth a damn :lol:

[The_Bishop]

Sooo.. Pretzels or trans-friction soup?

[LTb1ow]

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/02/toyota-tundra-cummins-diesel-engine/

Well GM, looks like this should be interesting couple years.

[sweetbmxrider]

Two of the best vehicle manufacturers in the world want a cummins in their respective trucks? Yeah, they know something you don't.

[BigAls87Z28]

Cummins has the rep and the tech that Toyota and Nissan don't have. Plus, they spent soooo much ****ing money on that 5.0 that they had to give it to someone.

[LTb1ow]

Cummins has the rep and the tech that Toyota and Nissan don't have. Plus, they spent soooo much ****ing money on that 5.0 that they had to give it to someone.

Well, will GM be stepping up their 1/2 ton market offerings?

[Savage_Messiah]

Two of the best vehicle manufacturers in the world want a cummins in their respective trucks? Yeah, they know something you don't.

Cummins has the rep and the tech that Toyota and Nissan don't have. Plus, they spent soooo much ****ing money on that 5.0 that they had to give it to someone.

There was no debate/rage :shock:

[r0nin89]

So stupid... Toyota and Nissan both respectively make amazing diesel engines that were never offered here. The cummins nameplate is simply a ploy to get trucks sold to people who no nothing and are probably gonna cut 6in stacks through the bed of their brand new truck...

The mini dmax going in the canyon is enough motor for a half ton. Not offering it is stupid on GMs part...

[LTb1ow]

So, diesel Colorado supposedly third quarter 2015, biGal??

[r0nin89]

So, diesel Colorado supposedly third quarter 2015, biGal??

Yes where is Bisexual Girl when you need her :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

Yep. Just drove the regular ones today. Great truck that is very easy to drive around midtown.

[LTb1ow]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yea, MSRP? EPA mpg?

Details? EHHHHH??

[BigAls87Z28]

No idea. The ones we were driving around in today ranged from high 20's to high 30's depending on trim and options.
I'd say diesel 4x4 crew cab, short bed, will be under 40k aka the cheapest diesel truck you can buy on the market.
I'd also guess near 30mpg? Maybe more? The 3.6 gets 26mpg, so low 30 range would be my guess.
Nothing confirmed till next year.

[LTb1ow]

Should be the same as the current overseas offering?

You think it will be cheaper than a cummapart nissian or toy?

[BigAls87Z28]

Should be the same as the current overseas offering?

You think it will be cheaper than a cummapart nissian or toy?

The truck oversees is a totally different truck.

Since there is no diesel Toyota or Nissan, yes?

[LTb1ow]

Its a different power plant?

[BigAls87Z28]

Same engine, different specs in a different truck.

[The_Bishop]

So, is there any truth to the 8 speed rumor for the next model year?

[NJ346]

Over 30mpg is easily achievable in the ecodiesel 1500(Epa rating 28 mpg), so I would hope that the smaller GM trucks come with a sticker of at least 5mpg better.

[BigAls87Z28]

So, is there any truth to the 8 speed rumor for the next model year?

They said that they have things planned to keep the truck fresh. Right now, only the 6.2 get the 8-speeds, which are very smooth. I had a chance to drive a new Denali with the MRC and the 8-speed. Vurrrry nice.

Over 30mpg is easily achievable in the ecodiesel 1500(Epa rating 28 mpg), so I would hope that the smaller GM trucks come with a sticker of at least 5mpg better.

If they were going for efficiency, sure, but they will probably get it around the 30mpg marker and tweak for torque.

[The_Bishop]

They said that they have things planned to keep the truck fresh. Right now, only the 6.2 get the 8-speeds, which are very smooth. I had a chance to drive a new Denali with the MRC and the 8-speed. Vurrrry nice. .

This is where GM f's themselves, every time. To get new feature 'A' you need to order the $50k model. Or wait an extra year or two, when it's not new anymore. Meanwhile, competitors offer the latest features across all tiers without making potential buyers wait.

[NJSPEEDER]

This is where GM f's themselves, every time. To get new feature 'A' you need to order the $50k model. Or wait an extra year or two, when it's not new anymore. Meanwhile, competitors offer the latest features across all tiers without making potential buyers wait.

It is a sign of the times. All the manufactures to it to some extent. Instead of just building the best vehicles possible they target segments, marketing, and other such calculated tactics. Seems to me the easiest way to sell anything is just to offer the best vehicle you can make for a competitive price.

I am thinking about spending the money on the EcoDiesel Grand Cherokee. 7k lbs towing and the new GC's are extremely nice. I think they are rated at 27 or 28 highway, on some of the jeep sites people are saying after they get some miles on them they are seeing 30-31 on straight highway road trips.

Along the lines of what Bishop said the Jeep is only available with the diesel in some of the higher trims so you are looking at about 42-43k at the cheapest. You can equip the Dodge 1500 diesel as low as about 36k on their site but that is more work truck than something most people would be willing to drive.

-Tim

[LTb1ow]

The diesel in the Colorado is gonna be urea/DPF etc equipped?

[The_Bishop]

Yeah, pretty much any oil-burner from here on out will be until they discover something better.

[LTb1ow]

I haz a sad, keeping my dinosaur :lol:

Although a duramax with an 8 speed Allison... yum

Edit: http://www.tfltruck.com/2014/07/2016-gmc-canyon-duramax-prototype-caught-in-the-wild-spied/

Thats one fugly truck

[BigAls87Z28]

This is where GM f's themselves, every time. To get new feature 'A' you need to order the $50k model. Or wait an extra year or two, when it's not new anymore. Meanwhile, competitors offer the latest features across all tiers without making potential buyers wait.

It's going to take time to spool up production. They trucks that will produce the highest profit will always be the higher priced ones so it helps offset the difference. They did this for the six speeds, giving it a solid year to roll it out, and then offered it across the line.
Everyone does this.


The diesel in the Colorado is gonna be urea/DPF etc equipped?

Create a diesel system that will pass Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions without it, and you will be rolling in duckets.

[LTb1ow]

And, here... we... go...

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/12/2016-nissan-titan-xd-detroit-official/#image-40

All dat torque!

[NJ346]

And, here... we... go...

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/12/2016-nissan-titan-xd-detroit-official/#image-40

All dat torque!

Technically that's not a 1500.

[redsoxsstink]

Technically that's not a 1500.

12k towing capacity rivals that of the 2015 f150s and 1500 silverados, payload is average. its like the 1500HD that chevy did from 2001-06, which imo flopped. but the datsun does look like a nice truck

[NJ346]

^taken from the link The best way to explain the difference is that if the Titan competes with a Silverado 1500, the XD competes with something a step higher, but not a full 2500. Think of it as a Silverado 2000 or something – a step between light and heavy duty.

[LTb1ow]

Lil jelli of the numbers of the baby cummins thats for sure, but I really hope they made that trans and frame able to handle what idiots will certainly try and tow.

[NJ346]

Lil jelli of the numbers of the baby cummins thats for sure, but I really hope they made that trans and frame able to handle what idiots will certainly try and tow.

Another press release says the trans will be made by Aisin which also make the current trans behind the heavy duty Rams. I don't work with the diesel stuff so I don't know the quality of it in the Ram, but I know Aisin has been around for a while so the trans should be pretty good.

[BigAls87Z28]

And, here... we... go...

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/12/2016-nissan-titan-xd-detroit-official/#image-40

All dat torque!

Yeah, in the world's ugliest truck. You want to buy a Nissan full-size pickup truck just to get a diesel v8? Knock yourself out.

meanwhile, it can only match the ratings of the gasoline powered half ton trucks from the Americans.

[WildBillyT]

Yeah, in the world's ugliest truck. You want to buy a Nissan full-size pickup truck just to get a diesel v8? Knock yourself out.

meanwhile, it can only match the ratings of the gasoline powered half ton trucks from the Americans.

Yeah, the old "great engine surrounded by a ****** truck" situation.

[BigAls87Z28]

That new Titan is ugly as sin. Really ugly. They just upsized the grill and headlights to keep up with the Big Three, but they totally forgot about making it work with the new body panels.
That 5.0 Cummins is damn near a decade old at this point. All that, and it doesn't do anything that a typical gas engine does.

Dodge did something smart and challenged Ford at the economy game by introducing a diesel V6, because they realized that the diesel V8 would be nice, but the truck's limitations have been reached. To spend the money that Cummins did on that diesel to net another 500-1k towing is not worth it.

That's why the Mini-Max never made it.

[LTb1ow]

Minimax and a tahoe, zomggsss would be so cool.

S10, with the 2.0 rumored the end of this year?

[BigAls87Z28]

S10? LOLWUT? Are you in a time machine?

[LTb1ow]

S10? LOLWUT? Are you in a time machine?

S10, Colorado, Tacoma, whatever... pint size 4x4..

I read the new colorado will be able to be optioned with le diesel?

[BigAls87Z28]

The Colorado is a decently sized pickup.
And yes, we talked about the diesel Colorado 100 times. It's coming later this year.

[LTb1ow]

101 times is better though. Diesel all the things!

[The_Bishop]

Still want to know what the price point and mileage is going to be. So far the numbers for the Colorado aren't exactly awe-inspiring. I get similar (1-2 lower) in a full size hemi 1500 that has nearly 100HP more on tap, and mine is the older trans version with the '6' speed (really a 5 speed).

[BigAls87Z28]

So you are comparing real-world numbers vs EPA numbers? Please don't do that.

[The_Bishop]

Well, as soon as I have real world numbers on the colorado I'll be sure to compare.

[LTb1ow]

Didn't take long :rofl:

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/88pioneer/Screenshot_20160510-070811.png

[sweetbmxrider]

Such a nice truck

[LTb1ow]

http://www.trucktrend.com/future-trucks/1706-spied-2019-chevrolet-silverado-1500-diesel/

[Blackbirdws6]

Sadly this won't bring down the prices of the HD trucks but perhaps just bolster their price even more. Damnit!!

[sweetbmxrider]

Wonder how its sporting that dual exhaust with regen shens?

[MDSheds_SS]

So you are going to have a weak ass diesel on a weak ass frame and people are going to try to tow houses? Great.

http://a65.tinypic.com/2a9bifs.jpg

Speaking of towing around houses.... Dam I miss my 1500 an that 6.2

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl::rofl: damn itttttt

Wish I had a pic but I saw a dodge towing a big ass office trailer, lots o squat :lol:

Semi behind him made it look even more ridiculous....

[LTb1ow]

Inline six dmax! Cummins wanna be status unlocked

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/silverado-1500/2019/2019-chevrolet-silverado-1500-first-look-models-powertrain-choices/

[Blackbirdws6]

Inline six dmax! Cummins wanna be status unlocked

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/silverado-1500/2019/2019-chevrolet-silverado-1500-first-look-models-powertrain-choices/

Read that as well. Pretty cool they are opening up the diesel game. The use of lightweight materials in certain areas is a nice touch. Aluminum body panels means hopefully less chance of corrosion too.

I wonder if GM will offer a bigger infotainment screen like the new Ram.

https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/wXhvCIHYwbQLydIXoqDEb5hWa40=/936x527/2018/01/14/644c03e0-b9c4-4903-82e3-43f32cbc7809/2019-ram-1500-8.jpg

[wretched73]

Read that as well. Pretty cool they are opening up the diesel game. The use of lightweight materials in certain areas is a nice touch. Aluminum body panels means hopefully less chance of corrosion too.

I wonder if GM will offer a bigger infotainment screen like the new Ram.


WOW! That's huge!

[Blackbirdws6]

WOW! That's huge!

12" screen. Shame the rest of the truck will probably be garbage.

[BonzoHansen]

Do you need a full sized iPad in your dash to help call AAA and Ram service? Seems like an iPad mini would work as well for that.

[Blackbirdws6]

Do you need a full sized iPad in your dash to help call AAA and Ram service? Seems like an iPad mini would work as well for that.

No but the nice thing is that you can do both at the same time since the bigger screen allows for split screen. Efficiency!

[wretched73]

Will the screen at least rattle as much as the rest of the vehicle?

[WildBillyT]

Do you need a full sized iPad in your dash to help call AAA and Ram service? Seems like an iPad mini would work as well for that.

Gotta be able to watch Netflix while waiting for the tow

[The_Bishop]

On the whole "Aluminum = Less corrosion"... Yeah, nope.

Almost all of out newer fire trucks are aluminum bodied. The ones that are getting to the 5-6 year old mark have corrosion issues where there aren't any holes, but the paint is coming up in sheets with white powdery aluminum oxide under it.

[Blackbirdws6]

On the whole "Aluminum = Less corrosion"... Yeah, nope.

Almost all of out newer fire trucks are aluminum bodied. The ones that are getting to the 5-6 year old mark have corrosion issues where there aren't any holes, but the paint is coming up in sheets with white powdery aluminum oxide under it.

Nah. Dodge has a good history of fine quality paint.

http://beautyandbedlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Dodge-Caravan-2003.JPG

[sweetbmxrider]

That screen is huge!

Different grades of aluminum out there will hold up to natural elements differently.....I'm sure it'll be **** :rofl:

[BonzoHansen]

On the whole "Aluminum = Less corrosion"... Yeah, nope.

more correctly it should rear like the warranties do..."less corrosion perforation" - that aluminum takes longer to rot to the point of perforation than steel.

corrosion warranty on new cars is junk. here is your 2017 ford corrosion 'not covered'. other makes i have rear seem similar.

Damage Caused by Use and/or the Environment
The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover surface rust,
deterioration and damage of paint, trim, upholstery, and other
appearance items that result from use and/or exposure to the elements.
You, as the owner, are responsible for these items. Some examples are:
•dings, dents
•cuts, burns, punctures or tears
•road salt
•tree sap, bird and bee droppings
•windstorm, lightening, hail
•earthquake
•freezing, water or flood
•stone chips, scratches (some examples are on paint and glass)
•windshield stress cracks. However, limited coverage on windshield
stress cracks will be provided for the first 12 months or 12,000 miles
(which ever occurs first), even though caused by use and/or exposure
to the elements

[LTb1ow]

On the whole "Aluminum = Less corrosion"... Yeah, nope.

Almost all of out newer fire trucks are aluminum bodied. The ones that are getting to the 5-6 year old mark have corrosion issues where there aren't any holes, but the paint is coming up in sheets with white powdery aluminum oxide under it.

Meh, depends.

All the stuff I make at work is aluminum based, and we never have rust/corrosion issues.

All depends on how the metal is coated.

[wretched73]

That screen is huge!

Different grades of aluminum out there will hold up to natural elements differently.....I'm sure it'll be **** :rofl:

Meh, depends.

All the stuff I make at work is aluminum based, and we never have rust/corrosion issues.

All depends on how the metal is coated.

I'm sure you're using aerospace grades, 2024/7050/7075 maybe even some 6061.

The new cars and trucks are probably 3003/5052 or some other commercial alloy.

[LS1ow]

Must be a scary future for body shop guys with all the aluminum. It cost us a ton of money to get all the tools and training to do aluminum repair. I cant imagine a private body shop being able to swing such a thing as easy. And part availability is a nightmare as well. Only certain people can order them (Im one of them) so sometimes you cant even use your normal supply guy. I think the days of bringing your car to anything but a in house dealer body shop are going to end. For anything new atleast lol

[Featherburner]

Must be a scary future for body shop guys with all the aluminum. It cost us a ton of money to get all the tools and training to do aluminum repair. I cant imagine a private body shop being able to swing such a thing as easy. And part availability is a nightmare as well. Only certain people can order them (Im one of them) so sometimes you cant even use your normal supply guy. I think the days of bringing your car to anything but a in house dealer body shop are going to end. For anything new atleast lolYou don't think the aftermarket won't reproduce everything in steel?

[LS1ow]

You don't think the aftermarket won't reproduce everything in steel?

Bolt on parts yeah, they already do it for our cars. But anything that is "bolt on" you dont need to be certified for. For instance if the door on your car is Aluminum, any one can walk in and buy one. But if your looking for something like a frame rail or the inner section of the 1/4, anything structural(the stuff you have to be certified to buy/work on), i don't think so. Or at least i haven't seen anything yet.

[maroman88]

On the whole "Aluminum = Less corrosion"... Yeah, nope.

Almost all of out newer fire trucks are aluminum bodied. The ones that are getting to the 5-6 year old mark have corrosion issues where there aren't any holes, but the paint is coming up in sheets with white powdery aluminum oxide under it.

go with the stainless bodies, ours are holding up great, ones almost 30 years old with zero paint issues

our explorer police cars hoods all had to be repainted under warranty for the paint peeling off the aluminum.

[BonzoHansen]

our explorer police cars hoods all had to be repainted under warranty for the paint peeling off the aluminum.
ours did that and ford denied the claim. that was the last straw, i traded it in after that.

[The_Bishop]

go with the stainless bodies, ours are holding up great, ones almost 30 years old with zero paint issues

our explorer police cars hoods all had to be repainted under warranty for the paint peeling off the aluminum.

Trying to convince the department heads that it's worth the added expense is similar to trying to ice-skate uphill.