Paul Walker died?

[band77one]

not sure if internet death hoax or he really died? anyone know ?

[NJ Torque]

this is what instrgram tells me, not sure.

[LTb1ow]

Hoax.

[band77one]

so how do you know its a hoax?

[WildBillyT]

Nobody has confirmed it yet. Everybody reporting it as real ALL credit TMZ as the source.

[band77one]

anything tmz says should be digested with a case of jack daniels

[Dudbird113]

1320vids says he died and daily news does also

[1320B4U]

Appears all associated press websites are buzzing about it and his rep confirmed. Porsche Carrera gt. Appears a lot of celebs have died in Porsche's.......james dean, ryan dunn, and now this guy. Filming of fast 7 is only partially completed too...shame, I liked the dude...was a real car guy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/paul-walker-dies-crash-report-article-1.1533786

[band77one]

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9344669

article from abc news

[wrong generation]

was a real car guy.

only problem is he made movies that inspired kids to like the wrong type of cars. :(

[Blackbirdws6]

Seems to be confirmed on a number of sites including CNN. Pretty sad.

Edit - confirmed by his Facebook and Twitter account. He was a passenger in the car on the way to a charity event.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/detoxx03/2E036DA5-3E98-4B9A-BD02-64484FC797C7_zpsv4j7aao8.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/detoxx03/media/2E036DA5-3E98-4B9A-BD02-64484FC797C7_zpsv4j7aao8.jpg.html)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/detoxx03/AB9BFCA4-B584-4E8F-BFB3-25244BE61C05_zpsanvqaudr.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/detoxx03/media/AB9BFCA4-B584-4E8F-BFB3-25244BE61C05_zpsanvqaudr.jpg.html)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/detoxx03/676C0A6F-56A4-4B64-94F4-34CF9A17C714_zps733fwbdx.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/detoxx03/media/676C0A6F-56A4-4B64-94F4-34CF9A17C714_zps733fwbdx.jpg.html)

[BonzoHansen]

yikes

[qwikz28]

Sad day. Seemed to be helping people in the Philippines with his charity. An absolute shame.

[greenformula92]

This is very sad

[LTb1ow]

So, does anyone else think that picture is a little off for a car that nailed a tree? Seems like the car got clipped by something then maybe hit the tree to come to a stop but a dead on tree hit is different results than that..

Furthermore, some of the reports claim that the car was being driven by the lead driver of some race car team, so how in the world could he lose control so badly...?

And then to really toss on the tin foil hat, another report says the accident was close enough to the charity that people ran to it with fire extinguishers to help put out the blaze..so either he was coming to it and the reports have it backwards, or somehow he left it, and got the car to mach 1 in less than a city block...

IDK. Odd to me.

[sweetbmxrider]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/01/article-2516303-19BF938300000578-301_964x704.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/01/article-2516303-19BF93FE00000578-655_964x680.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71455000/jpg/_71455444_020182249.jpg

[Fast92RS]

thats a pretty bad wreck. They had to be flying.

[BonzoHansen]

i wonder what the rest of the accident scene looks like

[TheV6Guy]

So, does anyone else think that picture is a little off for a car that nailed a tree? Seems like the car got clipped by something then maybe hit the tree to come to a stop but a dead on tree hit is different results than that..

Furthermore, some of the reports claim that the car was being driven by the lead driver of some race car team, so how in the world could he lose control so badly...?

And then to really toss on the tin foil hat, another report says the accident was close enough to the charity that people ran to it with fire extinguishers to help put out the blaze..so either he was coming to it and the reports have it backwards, or somehow he left it, and got the car to mach 1 in less than a city block...

IDK. Odd to me.

He was on his way to the charity by what I've read. He was meeting the person who was driving to go to it and they drove the car they did because it was a car show/charity even paul walker started. And to the person asking about the rest of the scene as sad as it sounds there's actually a video on facebook a person took or the scene before police or the fire departments arrived with the car up in flames. The worst part is in the video the people who took it were more concerned about what kind of car it was and to park somewhere else because it was going to blow up. Even when they saw someone in the car they continued to film and not even try and help. Its disgusting.

[redsoxsstink]

links to the video Doug?

i agree the car looks like it lost control then hit the tree and got split in half. should be interesting to hear the the police come up with once they do their investigation

[TheV6Guy]

Nick. My phone won't let me copy it. I think its on my fb from lastnight when I found it. I rwd a newer article before and it said that speed was the possible cause of the accident but it wasn't definitely comfirmed yet.

[redsoxsstink]

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i cant get on fb from work but a bit of searching netted this. TBH idk if i would run into a car burning like that. i dont blame them for being scared its gonna blow up

[WildBillyT]

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TBH idk if i would run into a car burning like that. i dont blame them for being scared its gonna blow up

Yup. EMT/Fire guys might confirm that logic too. If the people inside can't be saved why risk other lives for no reason? Still sounds like a jerky thing to say, but rings true.

[WildBillyT]

And for what it's worth, google 34.45323, -118.578837 and then street view.

How many of us would screw around on this road during off hours? And supposedly the driver was a seasoned pro driver.

Just shows that anything can happen.

[redsoxsstink]

And for what it's worth, google 34.45323, -118.578837 and then street view.

How many of us would screw around on this road during off hours? And supposedly the driver was a seasoned pro driver.

Just shows that anything can happen.

wow looks like a damn track

[sweetbmxrider]

Supposedly they went through a light post then the tree stopped it. I'm sure the car was at a very high rate of speed and made of very lightweight materials like carbon fiber. At the speeds we all assume they were going, there was nothing that would protect the occupants. They were most likely knocked out on initial impact and I'm sure the car was on fire before it came to a rest.

[BonzoHansen]

There is debris everywhere

[TheV6Guy]

I read that debris actually went through windows of nerby buildings also. I'm seeing so many updated articles on my facebook that ppl share or post your always up to date on things like this.

[1320B4U]

Did a little researching on the Porsche gt. I've driven a 911 before (never pushed it) but everyone that knows those cars, knows they love to oversteer. Now take a 700hp carerra gt from the same manufacturer and you can bet that's a recipe for disaster. Yes, its a different chassis but I would assume they used very much the same principles from the coveted 911.

Interesting car crash and a lawsuit that emerged. Lawyer made his name in the 90's for successfully suing Porsche on the 911 turbo, citing the car was waaayyy to hard to control for the novice driver. Subsequently, the 911 turbo took a hiatus from the US market and when it returned, Porsche offered driver courses for the buyers....
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2006-06-07/carrera-gt-crashes-into-court


Top Gear review of the carerra gt....see 6:20 mark...the stig even lost it around a corner a few times...the c/gt is very unforgiving at high speeds..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_WqdKbTvY

[donnj]

by the amount of rubber on the ground in that area from the google street view seems like others have been there also... very sad

[Paul Huryk]

That hit was at least 125mph, if not closer to 150. I've seen Corvette wrecks at 100 that didn't look 1/2 as bad as that one.

RIP

[WayFast84]

That was a nasty wreck. Maybe his crash will cause tons of people that loved him in the F&F to slow down and save some other lives.

[Jersey Mike]

Gulp.

[sweetbmxrider]

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/12/roger-rodas-paul-walker-crash-dead-dies/

[coolmanvette75]

The first (of multiple I would assume) security camera view's of the crash. Can't see much but it looked like they were moving quick...

http://www.heavy.com/entertainment/2013/12/paul-walker-video-crash/

[L695speed]

I've been doing reading around, it also seems like it could have been a mechanical failure. I remember seeing a video of a lambo crash, was the new model, was doing maybe 40-50 when was clipped from a side street in Brooklyn I believe, the car spilt in half when it hit a pole or building.

This could be a similar scenario. So speed, well excessive speed may not be a factor. Something about the flames around the front of the car and not at the back seem to point to possible steering fluid leak failure. Or, the engines from most porsches of this era have been known to melt their cooling hoses. If it melted coolant dumps out all over the rear tires. The NHTSA is actually investigating this.

Also these cars are not at all easy to drive from all accounts. Leno went for a wild ride years ago at Talladega in one. He was lucky. I know a few people racers included have said it is one of the hardest cars to drive.

I know there was talk of an S2000 within the crime scene tape. Possible street race. Seriously, I don't think Walker and his buddy are that stupid being racers themselves. I watched the security video to see if the S2000 drove by, I didn't see it due to not being clear. But the BMW that drove by with the video asking what car it was, did stop and sprint back to the scene. So I wouldn't be too hard on them just yet. Though no doubt they were rubbernecking....

[L695speed]

That hit was at least 125mph, if not closer to 150. I've seen Corvette wrecks at 100 that didn't look 1/2 as bad as that one.

RIP

Don't forget Paul, these things were probably designed to come apart. See this video, yes the lambo was speeding but that is not the point here. Rate of speed for the lambo was probably around 50. Still a dumbass. But far from doing 125.

Scroll down there is CCTV footage of the wreck.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2430190/Lamborghini-Aventador-sliced-HALF-Brooklyn-car-crash-VIDEO.html

[sweetbmxrider]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516403-19C018CF00000578-607_964x581.jpg

That doesn't look like a safety cell to me.

Notable technology includes a pure carbon fiber monocoque and subframe, dry sump lubrication and inboard suspension. The carbon fiber monocoque and subframe were produced and assembled by ATR Composites Group of Italy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT

Carbon fiber can be anywhere from 2-5 times stronger than steel. I can't find much on what happens to it in extreme impacts like this though. I was always under the impression that once its structurally compromised, it splinters the fiber strands. Nonetheless, speed had to be a large factor here. Also, there is no fire damage to the hood paint from what I can tell, minimal at best. The majority of that fire had to be from gasoline with how quickly it grew and how large eyewitnesses said it was.

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[TheV6Guy]

For anyone still curious about this. Theres currently a special episode of extra on channel 4 in memory of paul and info. The police investigators determined that they were not speeding and were doing the speed limit during that crash and that their now looking into problems to the car that couldve cause the crash.

[1320B4U]

Fuel cell is in the front of the Carrera gt, so flames in the front could be attributed to this...however mechanical failure is definitely plausable.

Just a real shame.

[sweetbmxrider]

Fuel cell is in the front of the Carrera gt, so flames in the front could be attributed to this...however mechanical failure is definitely plausable.

Just a real shame.

Right but there is no fire damage up there nor is there much structural damage. The lines going to the motor broke and the air/fuel ratio would be more than ideal along with plenty of ignition sources to start the fire. That's why I think most of the fire damage is concentrated where the car split and the flammable interior naturally burnt away.

[L695speed]

If Doug's info is right and they were not speeding, then it had to have been mechanical failure. What I'm not clear on is does carbon fiber melt? If it does, the initial damage may have been magnified a hundred times over to what we see in that picture. It seems the fire burned hot and fast. Was there any magnesium on the CGT?

Most of the time I see carbon fiber splinter and shatter, but I dont' often see it burn. If it melts, maybe that is why it seems worse than it is. Also how much damage did the rescuers do to get at them once the fire was out? That is another factor.

[sweetbmxrider]

I was wondering what first responders might have done to the car as well but who knows. The info may surface. I'll join the tinfoil hat club and say it wouldn't surprise me to see coverup in the full details of the accident. How much damage would be done to the fast and the furious franchise which is worth over $2 billion if a leading star was killed from events portrayed in the movie yada yada? I probably sound pretty cold hearted here but I will truly miss Paul, I quote the movies almost daily. I probably wouldn't be here without the movies.

[LTb1ow]

Well, radio is already referring to the crash as "drag racing" related.

Called em up and set em straight.

[Jersey Mike]

Which station? I'll go on and listen to ol' smash on the replay! Lol

[1320B4U]

I was wondering what first responders might have done to the car as well but who knows. The info may surface. I'll join the tinfoil hat club and say it wouldn't surprise me to see coverup in the full details of the accident. How much damage would be done to the fast and the furious franchise which is worth over $2 billion if a leading star was killed from events portrayed in the movie yada yada? I probably sound pretty cold hearted here but I will truly miss Paul, I quote the movies almost daily. I probably wouldn't be here without the movies.

...for the conspiracy theorists out there....
http://thelibertydigest.com/2013/12/01/allegations-of-foul-play-surface-in-death-of-fast-and-furious-star-paul-walker/

[BonzoHansen]

...for the conspiracy theorists out there....
http://thelibertydigest.com/2013/12/01/allegations-of-foul-play-surface-in-death-of-fast-and-furious-star-paul-walker/

um, wow....

[sweetbmxrider]

Yeah I didn't say anything about a cia coverup here. I think it was a tragic accident, I just don't know if the real details will surface.

[PolarBear]

I heard power steering fluid leading to the scene so it may have coated the rear tires

[1320B4U]

Yeah I didn't say anything about a cia coverup here. I think it was a tragic accident, I just don't know if the real details will surface.

Wasn't calling you out on this...lol.

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol: Got ya!

[BigAls87Z28]

Did a little researching on the Porsche gt. I've driven a 911 before (never pushed it) but everyone that knows those cars, knows they love to oversteer. Now take a 700hp carerra gt from the same manufacturer and you can bet that's a recipe for disaster. Yes, its a different chassis but I would assume they used very much the same principles from the coveted 911.

Interesting car crash and a lawsuit that emerged. Lawyer made his name in the 90's for successfully suing Porsche on the 911 turbo, citing the car was waaayyy to hard to control for the novice driver. Subsequently, the 911 turbo took a hiatus from the US market and when it returned, Porsche offered driver courses for the buyers....
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2006-06-07/carrera-gt-crashes-into-court

911 and the CGT are two very different cars. One is has engine mounted in the middle and the other has it mounted aft of the rear tires.
A lot of people have come out talking about the car, but anyone who has had any seat time in the car have praised it. Yeah, it's a little froggy, but what car isn't with that much power and such little weight?

911 Turbo cars that you are talking about are the trailing arm type that were notorious for killing Yuppies left and right. They ran into the same issues that made the Corvair of the 60's such a "dangerous" vehicle to drive. Add more power, and there were issues.

Also, the new 918 hybrid-electric supercar that Porsche is making uses the same carbon tub set up as the CGT.

[WildBillyT]

911 and the CGT are two very different cars. One is has engine mounted in the middle and the other has it mounted aft of the rear tires.
A lot of people have come out talking about the car, but anyone who has had any seat time in the car have praised it. Yeah, it's a little froggy, but what car isn't with that much power and such little weight?

911 Turbo cars that you are talking about are the trailing arm type that were notorious for killing Yuppies left and right. They ran into the same issues that made the Corvair of the 60's such a "dangerous" vehicle to drive. Add more power, and there were issues.

Also, the new 918 hybrid-electric supercar that Porsche is making uses the same carbon tub set up as the CGT.

To further your point about the 911/Corvair and weight distribution, the 70's turbo (930) version was/is also famous for flipping people into the woods due to the insane turbo lag and less forgiving tires. Even the 80's turbos have brutal lag. Nowhere near modern.

[ar0ck]

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/994646_767090046640219_1515013128_n.jpg

Too soon?

[1320B4U]

Car just appeared too crazy and given it didn't have Porsche's now mandated traction/stability control made it just an insane car to control (given what I read). There are other mid/rear mounted supercars w/the same hp or greater but none have garner more attention than the c/gt from what I've seen.

[Blackbirdws6]

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[89 Trans Am WS6]

/cry ^

I will say I was genuinely bothered by this accident. F&F/PW was def a big part of my life growing up, esp with car scene stuff. Very sad no matter how it happened.

[The_Bishop]

Followup:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/03/showbiz/paul-walker-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Going in excess of 100 mph.

[V]

Followup:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/03/showbiz/paul-walker-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Going in excess of 100 mph.


makes sense, but... is this something a coroner had the expertise to say? Shouldn't it come for the investigators? perhaps I'm just not sure of the skills and duties of a coroner.

[WildBillyT]

Might be based on body trauma.

[sweetbmxrider]

http://news.yahoo.com/porsche-sued-over-crash-killed-paul-walker-234527307.html

[NastyEllEssWon]

that lawsuit is a stain on both mens memory, cant believe a judge will actually hear it.