Beware the main street check point at Etown...

[r0nin89]

On main street. Go home another way and avoid the middle of town. Im not one to bitch when tickets are given when deserved but theyre being real ********. Obviously theyve still got a stick up their ass about not being able to shut down the track.

Theyre sitting in the santandar bank hiding behind a fence with a couple uniforms up the road radioing in who to flag down. Must have pulled over 6 or 7 cars in 15 mins after they pulled me over.

Tried telling me my non modified LED tails and tinted headlight housings were illegal. Had nothing to say when I politely told him every light on the truck is DOT approved and street legal and I could show him all the stamps if he wanted. Stuck me with a "loud exhaust" ticket. Cant really argue since I dont have an inspection ticket and a ****ing loud exhaust but still beware. Its not worth the headache.

[Dudbird113]

Thats why i take the dirt road directly across from the main entrance. And take the back roads. Manalapan n oldbridge/englishtown cops are d bags

[Mike]

On main street. Go home another way and avoid the middle of town.Im not one to bitch when tickets are given when deservedbut theyre being real ********. Obviously theyve still got a stick up their ass about not being able to shut down the track.

Theyre sitting in the santandar bank hiding behind a fence with a couple uniforms up the road radioing in who to flag down. Must have pulled over 6 or 7 cars in 15 mins after they pulled me over.

Tried telling me my non modified LED tails and tinted headlight housings were illegal. Had nothing to say when I politely told him every light on the truck is DOT approved and street legal and I could show him all the stamps if he wanted. Stuck me with a "loud exhaust" ticket. Cant really argue since I dont have an inspection ticket and a ****ing loud exhaust but still beware. Its not worth the headache.

:bertstare:

[r0nin89]

:bertstare:

Not really bitching about my ticket. In fact I thanked the cop for not giving me an inspection ticket. Just giving a warning. There were plenty of people there they were being ******** too just to chase money. Like I said trying to imply my light were illegal. Im sure he would have written me for it if I hadnt shown I was well aware they were perfectly legal.

[Mike]

Eh. Happens every year on the swap meet weekends

[maroman88]

Obviously theyve still got a stick up their ass about not being able to shut down the track.

I hope you understand that Officer Joe Blow could give two ****s about what happens with the track, but Officer Joe Blow does have many bosses, aka elected 'officials' and I can guarantee someone asked for enforcement.

[Mike]

I hope you understand that Officer Joe Blow could give two ****s about what happens with the track, but Officer Joe Blow does have many bosses, aka elected 'officials' and I can guarantee someone asked for enforcement.

You can't use logic. Cops are "dbags" and just out to get them

[BonzoHansen]

Just a money grab.

[The Fixer]

I hope you understand that Officer Joe Blow could give two ****s about what happens with the track, but Officer Joe Blow does have many bosses, aka elected 'officials' and I can guarantee someone asked for enforcement.

Especially since this is where Christie was heading by removing the "safety" portion of our annual inspection. This leaves it up to the individual towns to make money on illegal HIDs, tinted windows, loud exhausts, etc., depending on how hard they want to enforce the laws. They know a lot of cars will be rolling through town heading to the Swap Meet, so they might as well make some $$ off them!

I know one town near me has been cracking down on motor vehicle offenses - my friend's dad got pulled over a few weeks back for no front plate, and I was stopped for tinted windows right around the same time.

[madness410]

You can't use logic. Cops are "dbags" and just out to get them

they also pay their salaries, and they'll have their jobs

[Mike]

they also pay their salaries, and they'll have their jobs

What

[LTb1ow]

What


Angry citizens upon being caught doing something illegal, always resort to saying that they as a tax payer pay the cops salaries and somehow that then leads them to think they will have the cop's job.

Logic.

[V]

my last recent run-in with a cop was when one flashed his highbeams at me for going over the speed limit.

for the tax money we pay i demand next time he at least turns around, pulls me over and has the decency to say something to my face. (please sense the sarcasm lol)

[sweetbmxrider]

What

He's on your side and I believe that was partly sarcastic though I kinda agree....:-P

[Mike]

The people bitching don't live in the town (solely based on their public location under their name) and hence do not pay the salaries of the pd there

[LTb1ow]

The people bitching don't live in the town (solely based on their public location under their name) and hence do not pay the salaries of the pd there

I think you missed the train track switch to just bashing cops in general.

[sweetbmxrider]

:facepalm: Settle down

[NJSPEEDER]

Especially since this is where Christie was heading by removing the "safety" portion of our annual inspection. This leaves it up to the individual towns to make money on illegal HIDs, tinted windows, loud exhausts, etc., depending on how hard they want to enforce the laws. They know a lot of cars will be rolling through town heading to the Swap Meet, so they might as well make some $$ off them!

I know one town near me has been cracking down on motor vehicle offenses - my friend's dad got pulled over a few weeks back for no front plate, and I was stopped for tinted windows right around the same time.


I wouldn't go blaming the governor for the removal of the safety inspection. The original budgetary decision was planned to be going a few years without the emissions portion of the inspection process in order to save time and thus the resulting labor costs associated with that portion of the inspection process. In steps the EPA and Fed to save the day by telling the state that if emissions inspections were cut then our federal highway funding would be too.

Last I heard there was some sort of action being pushed by the insurance companies to get back to safety inspections since there was a massive jump in deferred maintenance related accidents.

The key to not getting ticketed for little ticky tack stuff is to know the laws that pertain to your car and modifications, and always be courteous. As the OP stated he advised the officer that the lights had DOT numbers on them and were actually legal.

-Tim

[sweetbmxrider]

Just because something is stamped DOT doesn't mean anything other than the manufacturer stamped it DOT. Get into an accident and try telling the judge about your non-oem equipment or modified oem equipment having DOT stamps. I'm sure he and the prosecuting attorney will have a field day there! Don't forget about the insurance company dropping you and denying any coverage.

[NastyEllEssWon]

i always thought those tickets were the cop being nice for not busting your balls for bigger things like inspection stickers and loud exhausts. i used to complain about NJ cops giving tickets for things like that when letting you off without any points tickets, then I lived in California for 5 years. they hit you with EVERY ticket possible. its insane.

[NJSPEEDER]

Just because something is stamped DOT doesn't mean anything other than the manufacturer stamped it DOT. Get into an accident and try telling the judge about your non-oem equipment or modified oem equipment having DOT stamps. I'm sure he and the prosecuting attorney will have a field day there! Don't forget about the insurance company dropping you and denying any coverage.

There are a mountain of cases where having non-oem parts has been made an issue and in every case DOT registered and approved direct replacement or non registry required direct replacement parts were found to be legal and allowable on public highways.

As stated before, the best thing is to know the rules and how they relate to your car.

-Tim

[KevinW]

Just had my daily driver inspected, just two stations, one was the check-in and visual for lights (I assume) and the other was to plug in the OBD, that was it. No emissions check.

[LTb1ow]

OBD2+ emissions is just a plug in check of systems.

Tis a crock.

[sweetbmxrider]

There are a mountain of cases where having non-oem parts has been made an issue and in every case DOT registered and approved direct replacement or non registry required direct replacement parts were found to be legal and allowable on public highways.

As stated before, the best thing is to know the rules and how they relate to your car.

-Tim

So if I make tail lights for my car and put a raised DOT stamp on it, everything is cool? Please, there is no mountain of cases. If someone rear ends me in my camaro with oem tail lights that I tinted, I am ****ed. Anyone can manufacture anything with a DOT marking on them. Its in good faith that it actually does meet DOT criteria. A good blood sucking team of lawyers will destroy you. If the stuff does meet the criteria, then yes you are ok. Assuming everything you buy is DOT approved is not in your best interest.

[1320B4U]

Then as a consumer you would sue the company of the fake 'dot' approved taillights b/c they mislead the consumer/dubious business practices. If it is stamped w/dot and there is paperwork stating this (directions stamped w/dot approval) this would hold up in court. In getting dot approval there should be rigorous tests done to be certified which are available in writing for that specific unit, although you winning that case will be directly related to how much $ you have on fighting this to the end.

Either way if you have something that isn't 100% stock on a vehicle be prepared to potentially be harassed. Its just an opportunity for law enforcement to pull you over. Being polite and courteous goes a long way when talking to the cop.

[sweetbmxrider]

Then as a consumer you would sue the company of the fake 'dot' approved taillights b/c they mislead the consumer/dubious business practices. If it is stamped w/dot and there is paperwork stating this (directions stamped w/dot approval) this would hold up in court. In getting dot approval there should be rigorous tests done to be certified which are available in writing for that specific unit, although you winning that case will be directly related to how much $ you have on fighting this to the end.

Either way if you have something that isn't 100% stock on a vehicle be prepared to potentially be harassed. Its just an opportunity for law enforcement to pull you over. Being polite and courteous goes a long way when talking to the cop.

Should there be rigorous tests etc? Yes. Is there? No.

[Mike]

There is usually a nice "not for street use" somewhere on/in the packaging.

[sweetbmxrider]

You mean like my Hoosier DOT drag radials?

[WildBillyT]

So if I make tail lights for my car and put a raised DOT stamp on it, everything is cool? Please, there is no mountain of cases. If someone rear ends me in my camaro with oem tail lights that I tinted, I am ****ed. Anyone can manufacture anything with a DOT marking on them. Its in good faith that it actually does meet DOT criteria. A good blood sucking team of lawyers will destroy you. If the stuff does meet the criteria, then yes you are ok. Assuming everything you buy is DOT approved is not in your best interest.

Nailed it. :nod:

[LTb1ow]

You mean like my Hoosier DOT drag radials?

DOT approval for racing classes != DOT approval for highway use.

Says right on the disclaimer.

[sweetbmxrider]

DOT approval for racing classes != DOT approval for highway use.

Says right on the disclaimer.

Right but it says DOT approved which means its for highway use. Then there are tires that would be DOT approved but wouldn't meet the minimum tread depth or barely would when new. Please, we all know we aren't complying with jack so don't act like you are. That's been my point. That and you are effed if something happens and someone has a good lawyer(s) or insurance.

[LTb1ow]

Right but it says DOT approved which means its for highway use. Then there are tires that would be DOT approved but wouldn't meet the minimum tread depth or barely would when new. Please, we all know we aren't complying with jack so don't act like you are. That's been my point. That and you are effed if something happens and someone has a good lawyer(s) or insurance.

...wut...

It means its DOT approved for class racing.

Right from their site..

"WARNING: DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires meet Department Of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only and are NOT INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE. It is unsafe to operate any Hoosier Racing Tire including DOT tires on public roads. The prohibited use of Hoosier Racing Tires on public roadways may result in loss of traction, unexpected loss of vehicle control, or sudden loss of tire pressure, resulting in a vehicle crash and possible injury or death. "

:bertstare:

[sweetbmxrider]

Right, DOT approved but not for the highway. So if you didn't seek out this info, you wouldn't know. So what is stopping other companies from making other products with this same misconception?

[LTb1ow]

Right, DOT approved but not for the highway. So if you didn't seek out this info, you wouldn't know. So what is stopping other companies from making other products with this same misconception?

Nothing, but it is up to the consumer to understand the small print.

Personal responsibility, eh?

[sweetbmxrider]

Nothing, but it is up to the consumer to understand the small print.

Personal responsibility, eh?

Yes, unlike most of the misinformation in this thread. And that personal responsibility can turn into a huge lawsuit that your insurance company won't cover or will exceed your policy limits which then puts the rest on you. That is the small grasp I have on the subject. So as I have said, DOT is just 3 raised letters that mean nothing.

[LTb1ow]

Would be curious if having an accident with a car with a bar in it would negate insurance covering any injuries received.

Can insurance companies do such things?

[sweetbmxrider]

Would be curious if having an accident with a car with a bar in it would negate insurance covering any injuries received.

Can insurance companies do such things?

You give them any reason to deny a claim so they can save a buck and they will fully exploit it. There is more to it but I certainly wouldn't bank on things being in your favor.

[WildBillyT]

Would be curious if having an accident with a car with a bar in it would negate insurance covering any injuries received.

Can insurance companies do such things?

Yes. Same with injuries using a 5 pt on the street.

[BonzoHansen]

there are DOI laws that might stop them from denying a claim in such circumstances, but it could lead to policy cancellation. however I am not well versed in auto laws.

[1994lt1]

...So as I have said, DOT is just 3 raised letters that mean nothing.

I'm pretty sure they mean Department Of Transportation.

I for one think the police are doing an excellent job and should get a raise.

[WildBillyT]

I'm pretty sure they mean Department Of Transportation.

I for one think the police are doing an excellent job and should get a raise.

I believe he means in a legal sense. You can mark anything with a DOT stamp, that doesn't make it legal. The "good" knockoff/aftermarket companies in Taiwan and China have been known to duplicate products right down to markings and logos. As an example, ungraded bolts with a "line and triangle logo" on them have been known to hit the market. :bertstare:

[1994lt1]

My bad the entire post was sarcastic. Anyway as a LEO we do deal with these issues frequently, especially with the Honda crowd. They think because the eBay listing stated "50 State Legal" and "DOT" approved, that they are good to go. This isn't true when things start changing like color of lenses, volumes of exhausts, brightness of lights etc. One thing I haven't bothered with yet is drag radials, as I would be quite hypocritical, however I can see it becoming an issue in an accident. 50 state legal is so broad, especially when considering local ordinances as well.

[NJSPEEDER]

So if I make tail lights for my car and put a raised DOT stamp on it, everything is cool? Please, there is no mountain of cases. If someone rear ends me in my camaro with oem tail lights that I tinted, I am ****ed. Anyone can manufacture anything with a DOT marking on them. Its in good faith that it actually does meet DOT criteria. A good blood sucking team of lawyers will destroy you. If the stuff does meet the criteria, then yes you are ok. Assuming everything you buy is DOT approved is not in your best interest.

If you alter a part then you are assuming the liability and there are lots of cases that support the rights of owners putting DOT approved parts on their car. Like GI Joe taught us as kids "Knowledge is power!"

You can search the owners bill of rights or just poke around the SEMA site for information if you are still struggling to understand.

-Tim

[Mike]

Adam isn't struggling to understand anything. He is repeatedly pointing out that there are tons of products out there with "DOT" stamped on them that haven't undergone any testing or received any certifications. This is not his opinion. This is fact.

If you use these parts you are liable. Period. If you use aftermarket parts that have undergone testing and were legitimatly awarded their "DOT" markings then yes you have a leg to stand on if a situation arises.

[Dudbird113]

Cops or at least state troopers could care less about qtps on thr street, had at least a dozen right behind me n next to me. Even had them look my car over when my opti **** out, said nice car n left.

[Mike]

Because most people can tell what kind of tire you have while rolling along behind or alongside you......

Situation could change if there's an accident. Which is what everyone has been talking about.

[greenformula92]

so in a nutshell don't buy anything on ebay cause its not DOT approved and empty your wallet for something thats legit.....but I like saving money on things so to hell with that lol. It also depends a little bit on how you do things. don't tint your tail lights so they are black as night. just enough to darken them and swap out to LED bright lights. this will help ease any harrassment from LE. Its become quite obvious that most of us have at least one thing illegal on all of our cars.

[Mike]

so in a nutshell don't buy anything on ebay cause its not DOT approved and empty your wallet for something thats legit.....but I like saving money on things so to hell with that lol. It also depends a little bit on how you do things. don't tint your tail lights so they are black as night. just enough to darken them and swap out to LED bright lights. this will help ease any harrassment from LE.Its become quite obvious that all of us have at least one thing illegal on all of our cars.

False for me

[greenformula92]

False for me

alright I fixed it. I just assumed and we all know what happens when we do that :lol:

[1994lt1]

Its become quite obvious that most of us have at least one thing illegal on all of our cars.

Its a proven fact that MOST brand new cars that pull off the lot are subject to a violation (usually license plate frames). It's not hard to write someone for something, anything, or stop them. It comes down to discretion with the officers. As a car guy I let a lot of things slide because I cannot write or stop someone for modifications I have done or don't have a problem with. These guys in Jersey are probably in response to the high traffic of heavily modified cars, and the complaints from the citizens.

[The_Bishop]

Probably related to the 'THEZE STRAIGHT PIPEZ ARE SOOOO KEWL WATCH ME LAY RUBBER', overly loud/bad image creating subset of 'car people.'

You may think your window-rattling exhaust is the bee's knees, but when you're number 1,541 in the parade of too-loud cars driving through the neighborhood, people are going to complain and the folks in blue are going to be there. There's a time and place for loud and rowdy, in residential neighborhoods is not it.

[WildBillyT]

I believe the term is TROO DOOLZ.

[The_Bishop]

I stand corrected, good sir.

[LTb1ow]

So if I buy a house next to an airport, I can then complain its too loud?

[WildBillyT]

So if I buy a house next to an airport, I can then complain its too loud?

Yes.


Flemington Speedway is a better example though.

[NJ Torque]

Yes.


Flemington Speedway is a better example though.

So true.

Called NIMBY's

Not In My Back Yard

[Featherburner]

So if I buy a house next to an airport, I can then complain its too loud?

Yes.


Flemington Speedway is a better example though.Good to know! I guess I need to put in a call to the airport and tell them to stop flights between the hours of 3pm and 9am.

[WildBillyT]

Good to know! I guess I need to put in a call to the airport and tell them to stop flights between the hours of 3pm and 9am.

Here:
http://63.68.152.17/noise.asp


And you can join these guys:
http://www.brram.org/

:D

[The_Bishop]

There's a difference between the normal operating noises of a dragstrip and a parade of vehicles with too-loud exhausts running through your neighborhood all day, especially when some of them are prone to reckless behaviour from time to time. On Island's big event days, I hear loud cars on and off all day. I don't have a problem with this. It's the jackasses with straight pipes (special points for black-smoke-belching diesel jackasses with said straight pipes, usually upright in the bed of the truck or morons on motorcycles with drilled out/no mufflers) flooring their vehicles up 517 and doing 60+ miles per hour in a residential area with a *lot* of hidden driveways.

I'm a car guy. I don't always abide by the law, I'll freely admit. But I don't speed through residential neighborhoods making tons of noise/endangering other people and pissing off the folks that live there.

Someone else posted this, and it's appropriate here: "Personal responsibility, eh?" ;)

[r0nin89]

There's a difference between the normal operating noises of a dragstrip and a parade of vehicles with too-loud exhausts running through your neighborhood all day, especially when some of them are prone to reckless behaviour from time to time. On Island's big event days, I hear loud cars on and off all day. I don't have a problem with this. It's the jackasses with straight pipes (special points for black-smoke-belching diesel jackasses with said straight pipes, usually upright in the bed of the truck or morons on motorcycles with drilled out/no mufflers) flooring their vehicles up 517 and doing 60+ miles per hour in a residential area with a *lot* of hidden driveways.

I'm a car guy. I don't always abide by the law, I'll freely admit. But I don't speed through residential neighborhoods making tons of noise/endangering other people and pissing off the folks that live there.

Someone else posted this, and it's appropriate here: "Personal responsibility, eh?" ;)

Meh. Bikes are really a different story. Its true loud pipes saved lives. Ive witnessed it first hand at 70mph going over the Driscal Bridge.

Shouldnt be tearing off like an ******* in residential still. For the record I was just putting along and my trucks not ridiculously loud unless you get on it or its sitting there high idling. Just happened to seem like the police attention could have been better aimed at the dick heads that were bumper to bumper blowing stop signs in the actual residential areas than pull overs for tint and front plates...

[insaneinferno]

I like the magnaflow catback exhaust for the LT1 - it's loud when you gun it, but pretty reasonable at idle and low RPMs.

Also on the subject of speed traps, I was amused by the story of the super corrupt Florida town called Hampton. Basically, they set up a constant speed trap on a major section of highway, but a lot of the revenue just "disappears". They also have a cop for every 25 people living there (a very high ratio). It's so bad, they want to dissolve the entire town. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/us/hampton-florida-corruption/

[Featherburner]

Meh. Bikes are really a different story. Its true loud pipes saved lives. Ive witnessed it first hand at 70mph going over the Driscal Bridge.True because you say so? :facepalm: More internet BS! Loud pipes give all motorcyclists a bad name. Do you know what saves lives for riders? Proper training and instruction. I'll take skill and experience over loud pipes to save my ass any day!

[LTb1ow]

Loud obnoxious bikes just make me want to run over them.

[Dudbird113]

Lol

[r0nin89]

True because you say so? :facepalm: More internet BS! Loud pipes give all motorcyclists a bad name. Do you know what saves lives for riders? Proper training and instruction. I'll take skill and experience over loud pipes to save my ass any day!

O ok Im sorry. I didnt witness a guy with loud pipes on a bike stop someone from running him off the road by being able to blatantly make his presence aware. There was no where for the guy to go. He stopped someone from killing him. The guy driving the car was an unaware ****tard that had no clue he was there.

But please continue to explain to me how your proper training and instruction is going to make someone aware of you on the road that isnt paying attention worth a ****. Im dying to hear it. :facepalm:

Theres no topic of discussion that someone on this site cant seem to ruin or turn into a horrific internet trainwreck...

[The_Bishop]

Are you serious? You think the 'loud pipes' saved him?

Here's the real deal - He's a jackass for getting into the situation in the first place. I rode motorcycles for *years*. The only way you can get jammed up 'with no where left to go' is if you go there in the first place. You have to ride like you're invisible, not like you own the road. Whats the matter, his brakes didn't work? Never had any training in defensive driving? You *always* leave yourself an 'out' for situations like that, you don't rely on 'loud pipes'.

[r0nin89]

Are you serious? You think the 'loud pipes' saved him?

Here's the real deal - He's a jackass for getting into the situation in the first place. I rode motorcycles for *years*. The only way you can get jammed up 'with no where left to go' is if you go there in the first place. You have to ride like you're invisible, not like you own the road. Whats the matter, his brakes didn't work? Never had any training in defensive driving? You *always* leave yourself an 'out' for situations like that, you don't rely on 'loud pipes'.

On the Driscoll bridge in packed rush hour traffic? Yeah what an.idiot that guy was for being around cars...

[WildBillyT]

Take it easy and try to keep it civil, please.

[Mike]

O I'm so sorry Mr. All knowing and condescending Police man. I seem to have forgotten that witness testimony is insufficient in the eyes of the law when we have great public servant such as yourself to try to spin everything on people. I must have been wrong when I saw the guy start to change lanes, the bike crack his throttle and the guy jump and swerve back over 10 ft in front of me.

People like you are what wrong with the justice system... Yes but HOW did you know that's what you saw?! Shove it.

A. You don't know me
B. you most likely don't know **** about the justice system
C. I'm not a street cop

The guy swerving "over ten feet" could have endangered more lives than it could have saved if there Was a car on that side. Would the loud pipes still have saved lives?

[Featherburner]

O ok Im sorry. I didnt witness a guy with loud pipes on a bike stop someone from running him off the road by being able to blatantly make his presence aware. There was no where for the guy to go. He stopped someone from killing him. The guy driving the car was an unaware ****tard that had no clue he was there.

But please continue to explain to me how your proper training and instruction is going to make someone aware of you on the road that isnt paying attention worth a ****. Im dying to hear it. :facepalm:

Theres no topic of discussion that someone on this site cant seem to ruin or turn into a horrific internet trainwreck...OK Jackass, here is how training and skill work in this situation. The skill you would use here is called situational awareness, a skill I have been honing for the last 28 years I have ridden on the street. You take in your surroundings and expect the worst possible outcome then avoid it BEFORE it can happen. How do you do this without loud pipes you ask? Let me tell you. You don't ride in someone's blind spot. You switch lanes. Speed up. Slow down. Ride in the left hand or right hand portion of your lane depending on the need. You expect the unexpected. You expect the person coming the other way IS going to turn left in front of you even though their turn signal isn't on. You also have a horn at your disposal. The most important part is you must be vigilant! There is no such thing as a carefree ride. You need 100% attention 100% of the time.

[Featherburner]

Are you serious? You think the 'loud pipes' saved him?

Here's the real deal - He's a jackass for getting into the situation in the first place. I rode motorcycles for *years*. The only way you can get jammed up 'with no where left to go' is if you go there in the first place. You have to ride like you're invisible, not like you own the road. Whats the matter, his brakes didn't work? Never had any training in defensive driving? You *always* leave yourself an 'out' for situations like that, you don't rely on 'loud pipes'.This!

[BonzoHansen]

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