car doesnt like to start when hot

[foxriderry]

So i did a heads cam swap this winter, also had to replace the starter, and headers and a bunch of other stuff. Turns out when the car would get hot, it wouldn't wanna start, so i replaced the coolant temp sensor, seemed to fix the problem, but now its happening again. Whenever i drive the car around for a while and shut it down go and get a soda or whatever, and i come back to start it, it just clicks. Sometimes if i put the gas pedal all the way down or play with the key itll start. It doesn't crank or anything when this happens, the only thing that i hear is the click of the starter engaging the flywheel, and ideas?

[NJ Torque]

How are the grounds? Did you miss the ones on the back of the head/are they loose? I ask this since they are a PITA to get to. Could be a starter heatsoaking.

[NJSPEEDER]

How close are the headers to the starter? Sounds like the starter motor is heat soaking from the exhaust.

-Tim

[sweetbmxrider]

Starter, the solenoid is clicking. Its not engaging the flywheel. Coolant temp sensor and gas pedal have nothing to do with it.

[foxriderry]

anyway to prevent the heat soak?

[foxriderry]

i gather ill just go with one of these reflective starter wraps from summit, ill let you guys know how it works out, in the meantime is the starter shot than? it starts on the first crank when its cold

[NJ Torque]

Whats the primary use of the car?

What headers are on it?

[NJSPEEDER]

I am not a fan of the wraps. If you run through any water or a good puddle water can collect in them and that's worse for the starter than just getting warm. look at the shield type ones or just grab some tin and bend one up for yourself.

-Tim

[foxriderry]

car never sees water, but ill look into the shield ones thanks

[foxriderry]

they're LPP headers btw... the second generation its really just a weekend car, I hardly even drive it that much, to be honest I haven't even had it tuned yet

[NJ Torque]

they're LPP headers btw... the second generation its really just a weekend car, I hardly even drive it that much, to be honest I haven't even had it tuned yet


If the car is super lean the exhuast will get extra hot as well...

[LTb1ow]

My starter does the same, and the heat wrap did help a little but it still will throw a fit every once in awhile.

[foxriderry]

hmmm it doesn't smell like its to lean, I do have the headers wrapped up by the primaries down to the collectors, maybe that's what's causing it to get real hot down there

[foxriderry]

someone on tech said to replace the starter relay... does that make sense to anyone?

[LTb1ow]

The starter solenoid will usually be the culprit, least on mine it is.

[NJ Torque]

hmmm it doesn't smell like its to lean, I do have the headers wrapped up by the primaries down to the collectors, maybe that's what's causing it to get real hot down there


You can smell lean?? 8-)

[foxriderry]

You can smell rich...

[Jersey Mike]

Just because a square is a rectangle doesn't mean a rectangle must also be a square

[foxriderry]

Confucius say "he who stand on toilet, is high on pot"

[Jersey Mike]

Where's the "Like" button on this thing?

[V]

defiantly a faulty flux capacitor.

clean terminals, chassis grounds too, and replace any main battery cables that look corroded or beat up.

[sweetbmxrider]

How does the starter smell?

[foxriderry]

idk... never thought to sniff it (are u wondering if it smells burnt), its out of the car at the moment

[NJSPEEDER]

You can smell lean?? 8-)

Yes, you can very much smell lean or rich. Its an old school skill from the days of way back carburetors and no computers. Many of us can also tell by putting our hand behind the tail pipe on a non-catted car :)

-Tim

[ThoR294]

Im about to do longtubes... should fab up a heat shield I guess. dammit lol. Makes sense that headers will cause heat soak of the poor starter. I have a gear reduction starter so maybe ill be ok :) (LT4 starter apparently)

[foxriderry]

ive had the car for over three years, and have had long tubes on it from day 1 and I never ever had a problem until I did the swap... and honestly I replaced the starter at the end of the swap as well (with a napa rebuild) so its very possible the started just kinda... sucks

[BonzoHansen]

dont over look all connections and good grounds.

[foxriderry]

I have class till late tonight, but tomorrow after work im gonna take the starter back to napa, hopefully they will replace it, and my heat shield should be in tomorrow as well so ill report back with how things go, in the mean time im looking into one of these msd dynaforce starters, they look real nice, everything except the price tag

[ThoR294]

dont over look all connections and good grounds.

:nod::nod::nod:

correct. could be a poopy napa starter though. can try running a remote button to it (2 wires and a button), whatever that tool is called lol. that will help see if its a wiring or starter issue

[foxriderry]

ill just see if they'll replace the one I have for now, I don't wanna go getting electrocuted by some finicky starter... not my idea of a good time lolhttp://shaineysfashion.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/man-being-electrocuted-clipart.gif

[Artful Dodger]

How is the battery? I had a battery with a dead cell that would cause the car to not start after it got hot.

[foxriderry]

battery tested good from AAA battery service... (my dads the manager so they better not have effed up lol)

[V]

clean terminals, chassis grounds too, and replace any main battery cables that look corroded or beat up.
...

[Jersey Mike]

i gather ill just go with one of these reflective starter wraps from summit, ill let you guys know how it works out, in the meantime is the starter shot than? it starts on the first crank when its cold

As someone who is also concerned with starter and header clearance, I'm curious in hearing what the more-experienced have to say on this subject.



OP- if you can, post an installed picture of the heat shield you ended up buying

[zraffz]

If the car is super lean the exhuast will get extra hot as well...

Makes even more sense since the car wasn't tuned (according to his sig) after the heads/cam.

[foxriderry]

We'll threw the starter back in today, along with the starter blanket that I bought from summit, and wouldn't you know I had absolutely 0 problems starting the car, however it did have to learn to re idle. I'm also not to sure I'm happy with the blanket set up, it just kinda seems halfast so I think I'll fab up a heat shield out of something, but as for now this works, considering I hardly drive te vehicle, I'll probably focus on getting tune next, as for the pics, I will post some next time I get back under the car, but I did just start my locker install on the jeep, so it may be a little before I get back under there