Have you aware

[sweetbmxrider]

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Inspections/inspection.htm

Under the new program, if your passenger vehicle is 1995 or older, you will no longer be required to have an inspection. However, inspections of this type of vehicle will continue until a new program is in place.

:bertstare:

[Blackbirdws6]

Time to buy some roadkill!

[LTb1ow]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[BonzoHansen]

Sweet!

[NJSPEEDER]

This will be interesting. For people like us, enthusiasts, that tend to keep up with maintenance and take care of our own cars its gonna be a nice money and time saver not having to deal with the DMV BS.

On the other hand, when NJ dropped safety inspections the number of maintenance related car accidents more than doubled in two years. You see it every time you drive down the highway and see those epic crap cans with obviously dead shocks, bald tires, and everything else wearing a brand new inspection sticker. How many people are going to find out about this and gravitate towards, or keep unmaintained older cars for even longer beyond their useful life?

[NJSPEEDER]

Also not a fan of the obvious migration towards private facilities. I know government doesn't do anything efficiently, but the number of horror stories I hear annually of private inspections in other states creating completely insane, obvious rip off, repair bills isn't any more appealing.

[ar0ck]

Perfect timing!

http://pacesmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/54432752.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

On the other hand, when NJ dropped safety inspections the number of maintenance related car accidents more than doubled in two years.

Where did you read that? I know when they changed the rule they cited statistics in other states that drop safety who saw no incremental growth. But I never saw any follow up after the change.

I actually thought we would see insurance companies requiring some kind of mechanical inspection for discounts or such

[NJSPEEDER]

It was actually the insurance companies that came out with a big report about it and petitioned the state to put safety inspection back. It was in the papers a few years ago. The state passed it off by saying that federal highway dollars are assigned because of emissions so they kept that instead of having safety only as they originally planned.

[//<86TA>\\]

I like this new thinking, everything I own, minus the Hyundai, is pre 95.

[ThoR294]

Aw. That was the whole reason I bought a 98 Subaru.... So I didn't need a sniffer

[sweetbmxrider]

Also not a fan of the obvious migration towards private facilities. I know government doesn't do anything efficiently, but the number of horror stories I hear annually of private inspections in other states creating completely insane, obvious rip off, repair bills isn't any more appealing.

What? You can only go to an emission repair facility for emission repairs or the owner can perform them. That has always been the case. The state controls the rates that can be charged for the inspection program to a degree and obviously shops can charge their labor rates and part mark up. You also realize that the state did away with safety inspections due to abuse of re-inspections at the state lanes. See: Failing for oil change stickers due to visual impairment.

[NJSPEEDER]

ALL RE-INSPECTIONS will be conducted by the Private Inspection Facilities.

So, if a car fails inspection the owner gets to go pay for a sticker. I don't trust people enough to believe that in all good and glorious faith before God they won't take complete advantage of the uninformed to up sell repairs and services that are completely unnecessary.

[sweetbmxrider]

So, if a car fails inspection the owner gets to go pay for a sticker. I don't trust people enough to believe that in all good and glorious faith before God they won't take complete advantage of the uninformed to up sell repairs and services that are completely unnecessary.

The owner must repair the vehicle before presenting it for re-inspection. Only emission repair facilities can perform emission repairs related to the failed inspection, not any old shady shop. This still has not changed since this inspection program was introduced. You fail, you or an erf repair, you reinsp.

edit: The only change here is the state run facilities are no longer re-inspecting your car. They never did repair work and never will. They did unnecessarily fail vehicles during the days of safety inspection costing the state an absurd amount of money, but the uninformed don't know and don't care.

Your blanket statement can be related to all walks of life, be it a doctor, lawyer, dentist, salesman, waiter, etc etc etc. What is it that you do for a living that we must blindly trust you to not take advantage of the uninformed?

:-?

[NJSPEEDER]

I don't deal with the public, I don't sell anything, and I don't touch anyone's bills or money. So whether or not the general public trusts my work doesn't apply.

If you have trustworthy local shops thats good. The average consumer wouldn't know the difference. Just saying that something will be fixed before reinspection doesn't make a difference since most people don't work on their own car. So where do you think they are going to go to make sure their car gets through inspection? Oh yeah, the shop that they have to buy the sticker from.

[sweetbmxrider]

If an erf does the repair work, the charge for re-inspection is only $2.50 for the pass sticker if it does pass. I think you need to take your tin foil hat off and actually understand how the program works. Actually, continue yelling at the tv. I need some entertain. :D

[NJSPEEDER]

I know the sticker price and I know how the program is intended to work. What I am talking about are all the shops around that have been caught ripping people off yet are still allowed to inspect.

[ThoR294]

So as soon as this date hits (or when they announce it), I can Peel the sticker off of my Dakota? (1992)

[BonzoHansen]

I know the sticker price and I know how the program is intended to work. What I am talking about are all the shops around that have been caught ripping people off yet are still allowed to inspect.

Then the state is screwing up or these supposed ripoffs are not being reported. They used to follow up on us all the time. They had setup cars they used to catch shops. They also came in and checked all our paperwork for all inspections. They harassed us because they saw new tires on a bill with an inspection and no failure. The fact the customer asked for new tires was irrelevant, we were accused of ripping people off. So we had to start artificially failing cars or just billing the inspection on a seperate invoice.

And in the auto service business most 'ripoffs' are accusations based on what their neighbor who was 'good with cars' told them, or now what some dumbass on the interweb said, since only experts post on the web

[NJSPEEDER]

There was a shop in Ewing, that I know the former owner and several former employees, that was busted by the state and successfully sued by customers. Owner jsut paid some fines and carried on business as usual. Thankfully other circumstances caused him to sell the business or he would probably still be at it today.

[Blackbirdws6]

So the poor actions of some shops places blame on the whole process. Got it.

[sweetbmxrider]

Tim, you sound like a jack ass here :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

If the owner can weather five digit fines and 90, 180 or more days license suspensions then he has a lot of business.

[sweetbmxrider]

Nothing has changed to how erf's are the only businesses that can legally repair emissions related issues that failed during a state inspection. The only change is that state lanes will no longer reinspect thus no longer costing the state stupid money. I guess it doesn't matter when you don't know you are being robbed? :lol:

[WildBillyT]

Nothing has changed to how erf's are the only businesses that can legally repair emissions related issues that failed during a state inspection. The only change is that state lanes will no longer reinspect thus no longer costing the state stupid money. I guess it doesn't matter when you don't know you are being robbed? :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/7lQKXlH.jpg

Yes, I know that he says "Earth" clearly in the movie.

[NJSPEEDER]

Buyer beware. I don't automatically trust shops. I have seen too many shady people doing too many shady things and getting away with it.

[sweetbmxrider]

Buyer beware. I don't automatically trust shops. I have seen too many shady people doing too many shady things and getting away with it.

It has always been this way, do you not understand? This can be said about anything and anyone, anywhere, at any time. Somehow its different because you can turn a wrench too? You have no comment on the millions that the state paid parsons for re-inspections at the state lanes for things like, air fresheners on rear view mirror, oil change stickers, and so on?

[Featherburner]

There was a shop in Ewing, that I know the former owner and several former employees, that was busted by the state and successfully sued by customers. Owner jsut paid some fines and carried on business as usual. Thankfully other circumstances caused him to sell the business or he would probably still be at it today.What shop?

[V]

As far as the news about the inspection program changing... It really doesn't affect me.
Id be more interested in hearing a change to the registration program. So now cars 20 years and older don't get inspected anyway but still 25 to be historic? historic is one time registration fee now, will that soon apply to cars 20 years old and older as well? That's what I'd like to see.

I read the link quick and only saw "passenger-plated vehicles", but would that include pickup trucks(non-commercial)? Once again though, that does not affect me since my '96 ram is already inspection exempt due to being a diesel.

Is the 1995 cutoff based on 20 years old, or is it based on the introduction of the OBDII systems? I know 95 is OBDI still but if they move to 1996 in 2017, then its all ODBII right? Are they just trying to phase out the sniffers altogether with giving it a year to be done with? I could see that as a bigger reason. Just plug in and scan, no need for maintaining older sniffer equipment which barely gets used as more time passes.

[//<86TA>\\]

I figured it will be only for odb2, no reason then for the stations to keep sniffer equipment anymore thus saving money since they wont need the huge stations anymore. Could almost do the whole job with a small shed and a guy with a scanner

[deadtrend1]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F_dMa0ozY3A/VUT1N3gUrcI/AAAAAAAAwJU/bG-u6gDkdIg/s1600/getsmart.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

As far as the news about the inspection program changing... It really doesn't affect me.
Id be more interested in hearing a change to the registration program. So now cars 20 years and older don't get inspected anyway but still 25 to be historic? historic is one time registration fee now, will that soon apply to cars 20 years old and older as well? That's what I'd like to see.

I read the link quick and only saw "passenger-plated vehicles", but would that include pickup trucks(non-commercial)? Once again though, that does not affect me since my '96 ram is already inspection exempt due to being a diesel.

Is the 1995 cutoff based on 20 years old, or is it based on the introduction of the OBDII systems? I know 95 is OBDI still but if they move to 1996 in 2017, then its all ODBII right? Are they just trying to phase out the sniffers altogether with giving it a year to be done with? I could see that as a bigger reason. Just plug in and scan, no need for maintaining older sniffer equipment which barely gets used as more time passes.

Changes to registration would be nice. This is to due away with the sniffer equipment like you said. Commercial plated vehicles are inspected annually and also have to pass the safety test. This was implemented a few years ago, roughly.

[maroman88]

only car i got that would be affected is the 88, but its qq'd anyway. seems ****** to have to go to a private place if you fail and pay for a reinspection.

[Featherburner]

As far as the news about the inspection program changing... It really doesn't affect me.
Id be more interested in hearing a change to the registration program. So now cars 20 years and older don't get inspected anyway but still 25 to be historic? historic is one time registration fee now, will that soon apply to cars 20 years old and older as well? That's what I'd like to see.

I read the link quick and only saw "passenger-plated vehicles", but would that include pickup trucks(non-commercial)? Once again though, that does not affect me since my '96 ram is already inspection exempt due to being a diesel.

Is the 1995 cutoff based on 20 years old, or is it based on the introduction of the OBDII systems? I know 95 is OBDI still but if they move to 1996 in 2017, then its all ODBII right? Are they just trying to phase out the sniffers altogether with giving it a year to be done with? I could see that as a bigger reason. Just plug in and scan, no need for maintaining older sniffer equipment which barely gets used as more time passes.

I figured it will be only for odb2, no reason then for the stations to keep sniffer equipment anymore thus saving money since they wont need the huge stations anymore. Could almost do the whole job with a small shed and a guy with a scannerI just got my 02 Silverado inspected on Wednesday and they still use the sniffer on that.

[sweetbmxrider]

only car i got that would be affected is the 88, but its qq'd anyway. seems ****** to have to go to a private place if you fail and pay for a reinspection.

Why is it ******?

I just got my 02 Silverado inspected on Wednesday and they still use the sniffer on that.

I think someone screwed up. Possibly they didn't establish an obd II connection and can revert to a tail pipe test, I'm not sure.

[maroman88]

Why is it ******?

how is it not? now id have to pay where in the past i didnt...



I think someone screwed up. Possibly they didn't establish an obd II connection and can revert to a tail pipe test, I'm not sure.

no, you fail if obd2 doesnt connect.

[Featherburner]

Why is it ******?



I think someone screwed up. Possibly they didn't establish an obd II connection and can revert to a tail pipe test, I'm not sure.They have done it every time. I think because it's HD. Something about over 8500GVWR gets the sniffer in addition to the normal OBDII plug in.

[ThoR294]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F_dMa0ozY3A/VUT1N3gUrcI/AAAAAAAAwJU/bG-u6gDkdIg/s1600/getsmart.jpg

yup LOL.

The only way you fail now 96 and up is if your CEL is on, or if your readiness monitors arn't set. So you should know if you'll fail before you even go.

[wrong generation]

how is it not? now id have to pay where in the past i didnt..

iv got the same issue. if the state is going to make us go thru inspection then it should be up to the state to reinspect and for free like they have always done. other wise they should just eleminate inspection all togeather.

[BonzoHansen]

or just don't go through SI with a CEL on lol

[sweetbmxrider]

I'm not sure if you guys can't grasp that you are paying for inspections. Its like saying you go to public school for free.

http://www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/mvinspect.pdf

This is the very long and drawn out investigation from the early years of the contract. Just reading the opening pages will open your eyes a little more.

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/13/05/07/democrats-attack-potential-privatization-of-motor-vehicle-inspections/

Safety inspection was done away with to save state money that you, the taxpayer, give them. Why would they do away with re-inspections?

I wish I could dig up more info on the costs of re-inspections, tail pipe testing equipment, and hard numbers on the vehicles that face these.

how is it not? now id have to pay where in the past i didnt...

no, you fail if obd2 doesnt connect.

You can receive obd II exemption and have a tail pipe test instead but....

They have done it every time. I think because it's HD. Something about over 8500GVWR gets the sniffer in addition to the normal OBDII plug in.

That makes sense. Actually it doesn't make sense but it makes sense for NJ :lol: Its because you are over 8500gvwr yet the exact same equipment can be found in a "lighter"platform and not need a tail pipe test. I guess hauling race cars is detrimental to emissions equipment :rofl:

[iroc86NJ]

I usually don't post but, let me give a slightly different perspective.

Time and time again I see vehicles that have expired inspection stickers with a rejection sticker on old heaps of junk which is marginally road or emissions legal. The owners of said vehicles avoid repairs and fines (summonses) by continually taking their junk down to the state inspection centers, where they fail and give them a piece of paper saying "repair and reinspect within 45 days of "X" date". By forcing these folks to go to a private facility the state for all intents and purposes is saying fix it or park it.

Also, lets see how many pre 95 cars start running around with open header:shock:

[ThoR294]

I thought after a certain amount of fails it needs to be fixed asap

[BonzoHansen]

Also, lets see how many pre 95 cars start running around with open header:shock:

just like the safety stuff (tint, front plate, altered suspension) you can still get tickets.

[Dudbird113]

Cant wait to peel that inspection sticker and all the residue from past stickers off my windshield

[sweetbmxrider]

I usually don't post but, let me give a slightly different perspective.

Time and time again I see vehicles that have expired inspection stickers with a rejection sticker on old heaps of junk which is marginally road or emissions legal. The owners of said vehicles avoid repairs and fines (summonses) by continually taking their junk down to the state inspection centers, where they fail and give them a piece of paper saying "repair and reinspect within 45 days of "X" date". By forcing these folks to go to a private facility the state for all intents and purposes is saying fix it or park it.

Also, lets see how many pre 95 cars start running around with open header:shock:

With the old program, yes. With the new one, this is not supposed to occur. Its 45 days and that is it. There may be people cheating the system but it is designed to not allow this to occur.

[Tru2Chevy]

how is it not? now id have to pay where in the past i didnt...

iv got the same issue. if the state is going to make us go thru inspection then it should be up to the state to reinspect and for free like they have always done.

While being forced to pay for a reinspection does sound crappy to us, many other states (like PA) have always paid for every inspection at state licensed private facilities.

I'm sure Adam or others can correct me if I'm wrong, but 99.9% of the time, if your check engine light isn't on and you haven't reset your PCM recently you'll breeze through the plug-in emissions inspection with no worries. If it is on, or you have reset your PCM for some reason, get that taken care of before you take the vehicle in for inspection and you'll have no worries at all.

- Justin

[NastyEllEssWon]

While being forced to pay for a reinspection does sound crappy to us, many other states (like PA) have always paid for every inspection at state licensed private facilities.

I'm sure Adam or others can correct me if I'm wrong, but 99.9% of the time, if your check engine light isn't on and you haven't reset your PCM recently you'll breeze through the plug-in emissions inspection with no worries. If it is on, or you have reset your PCM for some reason, get that taken care of before you take the vehicle in for inspection and you'll have no worries at all.

- Justin




Just be glad you dont live in California. They'll fail you for a cold air intake mod. Not only do you have to take it to a certified emissions testing facility but you also have to show receipts from a certified emission repair facility performing the repairs and if a cop wants he can pop your hood to check for easily spottable mods...which will send your ass back to the shop yet again.

Jersey is way more lenient than most states.

[sweetbmxrider]

And its getting more lenient yet the divas are still crying :-?

[BonzoHansen]

And its getting more lenient yet the divas are still crying :-?

I'm not! :-P

[WildBillyT]

And its getting more lenient yet the divas are still crying :-?

Meanwhile the QQ restrictions get tighter and tighter.

[BonzoHansen]

Meanwhile the QQ restrictions get tighter and tighter.

Did they change?

[WildBillyT]

I keep hearing about more and more problems registering things that have been modified.

[LTb1ow]

So, maybe I missed it but if there is no inspection, does that mean no sticker?

[sweetbmxrider]

So, maybe I missed it but if there is no inspection, does that mean no sticker?

Of course you get a sticker pal!

[heavy_chevy29]

cant wait to fiill the race car up with alcohol and cruise the streets lol

[Tru2Chevy]

Just be glad you dont live in California. They'll fail you for a cold air intake mod. Not only do you have to take it to a certified emissions testing facility but you also have to show receipts from a certified emission repair facility performing the repairs and if a cop wants he can pop your hood to check for easily spottable mods...which will send your ass back to the shop yet again.

Jersey is way more lenient than most states.

Yea, everybody knows that Cali is crazy. Went through this a little while ago on Jeepforum - a guy with an older Cherokee was trying to find the lower part of the heat riser / stove pipe system (the emissions do-dad that takes the warm air off of your exhaust manifold and pumps it into the intake to help with warm up). Long since discontinued by Mopar, no aftermarket source found in weeks of searching, and Cali refuses to pass the Jeep without out in place.

- Justin

[84355z28]

I keep hearing about more and more problems registering things that have been modified.

There's always a way around, i just got my 84 QQ registered

[6spdg37s]

The state heavily regulates the private inspection facilities and send test/dummy cars in on a regular basis. So they can't really screw people the way that people think you can get screwed...

[sweetbmxrider]

Have some inform

On March 22, 2016 notices were mailed out to roughly 9500 motorists, who own vehicles that are exempted from the NJVIP due to the ending of tailpipe testing on May 1, 2016. These notices are only for vehicles due for inspection in May 2016. These mailings will continue for the next 24 months until all of the exempted vehicles have been notified. The exempted vehicles that will be receiving the notification are as follows: gas powered vehicles registered passenger model year 1995 and older with a GVWR 8500 pounds or less; gas powered vehicles registered passenger model year 2007 and older with a GVWR 8501 to 14000 pounds; and gas powered vehicles registered passenger model year 2013 and older with a GVWR 14001 pounds or more. The notice will instruct the motorist to remove the inspection sticker from the vehicle's windshield. Motorists are told not to remove these inspection stickers from an exempted vehicle until the sticker has expired. If an exempted vehicle is presented for inspection prior to May 1, 2016, they may be inspected. If an exempted vehicle is presented on May 1 2016 or later, they are not to be inspected.

Thanks Parsons :|

[V]

Ok, So since it says the "end of tailpipe testing", is it safe to assume the 1995 model year cut off is only due to the standard introduction of OBDII in 1996 and the cutoff year will not be a rolling thing, like next year 1996, the year after 1997 etc etc..?

[sweetbmxrider]

Yes, at this point in time and in the short term future.

[LTb1ow]

so excite

[ThoR294]

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Inspections/tailpipe.htm

Cessation of Tailpipe Emission Testing

Beginning May 1, 2016, the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission is changing the inspection requirements for certain vehicles. Due to the cessation of tailpipe emission testing, the following passenger vehicles now will be exempted from inspection:
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 1995 & older with a GVWR 8,500 pounds or less.
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 2007 & older with a GVWR 8,501 to 14,000 pounds.
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 2013 & older with a GVWR 14,001 pounds or more.

A passenger vehicle is considered any vehicle registered with one of the following registration codes:
1 through 9
12 (not utilized to transport passengers as in the manner of a bus)
15
31
73

You can find your registration code on your registration as illustrated below.....

mah Dakota!!! wheee

[BonzoHansen]

Mmmm...probable cause lol

Additionally, Law Enforcement also has been advised of these changes through the notice below in an effort to prevent unnecessary stops for vehicles which do not display inspection stickers.

[V]

Mmmm...probable cause lol


I get stopped or questioned every so often with my Dodge ram. One rookie cop followed me for like 3 miles and we stopped at several stop signs. When I asked him what the problem was when he finally pulled me over, he said "you have no inspection sticker" I replied with "yea, its diesel" and gave him the Bert stare. Another cop stopped me at a road checkpoint came to my window, with the truck running, and asked "Is this diesel?" I said yes and he waved me through. Do people not know what a diesel sounds like? a cummins 12 valve doesn't really try to hide what it is.

so.. I can just image all the cars that will get pulled over. Do cops know the difference between a 95 and 96 camaro or trans am? without running the plate? no. lol.

[sweetbmxrider]

I get stopped or questioned every so often with my Dodge ram. One rookie cop followed me for like 3 miles and we stopped at several stop signs. When I asked him what the problem was when he finally pulled me over, he said "you have no inspection sticker" I replied with "yea, its diesel" and gave him the Bert stare. Another cop stopped me at a road checkpoint came to my window, with the truck running, and asked "Is this diesel?" I said yes and he waved me through. Do people not know what a diesel sounds like? a cummins 12 valve doesn't really try to hide what it is.

so.. I can just image all the cars that will get pulled over. Do cops know the difference between a 95 and 96 camaro or trans am? without running the plate? no. lol.

12 valve can very easily be confused with a broken flex pipe on any 4 banger eco box to the untrained ear :rofl::rofl:

[ThoR294]

Judging by the site, OBD1 cahs don't get any sticker... or am I reading it wrong?

[sweetbmxrider]

Judging by the site, OBD1 cahs don't get any sticker... or am I reading it wrong?

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

[ThoR294]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

cops see a cah with no stickah. they gunna pull me ovah!!!! :bertstare:

also, what if said OBD1 cah is overdue for inspection.... do you get said notice :D (my Dakota isn't just curious)

[sweetbmxrider]

obd1 has **** to do with this. obd2 will still be tested. Did you read nothing? It clearly talks about mailing notices from May 2016-May 2018 since inspections are on a 2 year cycle. I'm currently reporting your plates to the Chief Administrator :nick:

[ThoR294]

obdjuan has errthang to do with this. they are pre96 cahs! I has inspection! it's a fwend who recently failed :bertstare:

[sweetbmxrider]

Read the paragraph :bertstare:

[ThoR294]

Read the paragraph :bertstare:

8500 is like a dumptruck... ok fine or a mustang :bertstare:

[V]

My reg cab longbed pickup is 8800

[ThoR294]

05 chevy 1500 GVWR is 7k :|

Vehicles 8,500-10,000 GVWR (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwig5s7j0dfLAhVEVh4KHQaUAyYQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fueleconomy.gov%2Ffeg%2Fpdfs% 2FCat3VehicleList.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFvX2NPp1DW03q5ZkkscHryFy281g)

[LTb1ow]

Tiny truck, tiny GVWR.

[ThoR294]

I feel like the list of gas vehicles that heavy is small

[V]

Some suburbans are 8600. Excursions start at 8500/8600. Expeditions can probably be up there too. Then think about the 250/2500 series trucks, 350/3500 series. Maybe RVs fall in that category too(depends on registration code)

My truck is 96 diesel so I'm exempt due to that already.

[sweetbmxrider]

The first thing it says is 95 vehicles less than 8501 GVWR, what the **** is the confusion?

[ThoR294]

The first thing it says is 95 vehicles less than 8501 GVWR, what the **** is the confusion?

I think you're confusing yourself...

What I was saying was does EVERY SINGLE CAR BEFORE 1995 CURRENTLY REGISTERED have to have that stupid little thing in the glovebox?

[V]

What's in the glovebox?

[sweetbmxrider]

:-?

[ThoR294]

What's in the glovebox?


Additionally, owners of the exempted vehicles will be sent a notice (below) six (6) to eight (8) weeks before their vehicle would have been due for inspection. Owners should remove the inspection sticker once it expires and keep this notice with their vehicle.
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/images/exemptnotice.png


Since some people are overdue for inspection... do they even get this? What if you buy a Pre 95 cah from another state? :O I guess you get one from da DMV?

[sweetbmxrider]

No, you don't. You are "special"

[ThoR294]

No, you don't. You are "special"

reeeeed dangit I has inspection till 2017!!! :bertstare::bertstare:

[Jersey Mike]

This is interesting.

I wonder how the logistics of sales in the immediate future work.
What if you purchase a 1995 model car, say April 25th. I think you have 10 business days to register it, from the date of sale on the title. Would you be better off waiting until after May 1 to register it, or should it not make a difference?


The language of that passage is interesting.

That letter "should" be kept in the vehicle? Okay, what if it's not? Is that a misprint that should read "must," or are they just recommending it?
What if a vehicle is purchased without a sticker on the windshield?
What if a vehicle is purchased after May 1, but has an expired sticker?
What if a vehicle is purchased before May 1, but has an expired sticker--Could the new owner wait a few weeks and then rip it off, never getting the car sniffer tested?
Assuming there is no sticker on the windshield, is there any way for any one to figure out when the inspection is set to, or has, expired?


It's finally a slow day at work :rofl:

[Punkmaster 98]

My formula has been off the road in storage for 9 yrs. I got it from DE. Its not registered but is titled in my name now and almost ready for the rd. i guess ill have to bring it in?

[sweetbmxrider]

The state has record of when a vehicle was last inspected.

[Jersey Mike]

The state has record of when a vehicle was last inspected.

Yeah, but "The State" is such an ambiguous designation.

Does the Officer in the squad car, pulling folks over for Moving Violations, have access to that info?

Scenario: John Doe buys a '95 "performance car" without a sticker today. It's likely overdue & not gonna pass b/c of a CEL [or insert your reason here]. May 2nd he's pulled over for not having an Inspection sticker. John Doe says, "It's a '95." Is that enough to get John Doe off the hook & on his merry way home?

In reality, I'm sure 95% of patrolmen aren't going to give a "p00p" about any of this. I'm just asking because the language peaked my curiosity.

[sweetbmxrider]

95 can have a cel, 96 and up its an issue. You get a pink card to have your vehicle inspected within 2 weeks. You can also ride the current sticker if it is still valid. As for change of registration and inspection history, I do not know.

[V]

Honestly, if someone gets pulled over for no inspection and they tell the cop, its a 1995 and now exempt, the cop will most likely just make sure registration is valid and insurance is up to date on the card. That is all.
I highly doubt they will go back to their car and run any sort of search, not worth their time.

When I have issues with the Ram in say a roadside checkpoint, , I don't even tell them what year it is. They usually just ask "diesel?" I say yes and they wave me though. In the future it'll probably be "1995? yea? ok on your way". When I get stopped and the cop asks why no inspection, I also say "exempt, diesel" and they just check that I have my paperwork and then let me go, No running my info or anything.

The whole exact date thing with, If i buy a car today... is really just silly. If someone is worried, just wait till may. Then if its a 95 or older, most likely at the dmv they will say right then that its exempt. No worries then. For those cars coming due, most likely they will get a letter stating exemption begins when sticker expires. They are only sending letters right now to cars coming due, not ones due next year yet. In any case, once may hits, its basically all 95 and older are exempt. not much to be worried about. If you have no sticker after that fine, if you have a sticker that says 2017, also fine. in 2017 peel it off, or if you're a baddass, peel it off now.

[The_Bishop]

I wonder if the deadline will stay '95 (Tied to the last remnants of OBDI?) or if it will roll forward every year.

[sweetbmxrider]

Honestly, if someone gets pulled over for no inspection and they tell the cop, its a 1995 and now exempt, the cop will most likely just make sure registration is valid and insurance is up to date on the card. That is all.
I highly doubt they will go back to their car and run any sort of search, not worth their time.

When I have issues with the Ram in say a roadside checkpoint, , I don't even tell them what year it is. They usually just ask "diesel?" I say yes and they wave me though. In the future it'll probably be "1995? yea? ok on your way". When I get stopped and the cop asks why no inspection, I also say "exempt, diesel" and they just check that I have my paperwork and then let me go, No running my info or anything.

The whole exact date thing with, If i buy a car today... is really just silly. If someone is worried, just wait till may. Then if its a 95 or older, most likely at the dmv they will say right then that its exempt. No worries then. For those cars coming due, most likely they will get a letter stating exemption begins when sticker expires. They are only sending letters right now to cars coming due, not ones due next year yet. In any case, once may hits, its basically all 95 and older are exempt. not much to be worried about. If you have no sticker after that fine, if you have a sticker that says 2017, also fine. in 2017 peel it off, or if you're a baddass, peel it off now.

Ya, this is exactly what I imagine as well. I like to entertain Mike :rofl:

I wonder if the deadline will stay '95 (Tied to the last remnants of OBDI?) or if it will roll forward every year.

No, it will not roll forward with the current program. Yes, it is precisely due to OBD II implementations.

[LTb1ow]

OBD3 shall soon become aware.

[unstable bob gable]

Ah, so nice to reap more benefits by dailying in my classic 91 K car. Lol

[zraffz]

Pretty cool. If I bump the GVWR on my 2500HD both my vehicles are exempt!

[ThoR294]

Scenario: John Doe buys a '95 "performance car" without a sticker today. It's likely overdue & not gonna pass b/c of a CEL [or insert your reason here]. May 2nd he's pulled over for not having an Inspection sticker. John Doe says, "It's a '95." Is that enough to get John Doe off the hook & on his merry way home?


That's my question.

http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2016/04/one_strike_and_youre_out_at_state_inspection_stati .html

teehee fun comments read!

[Featherburner]

Pretty cool. If I bump the GVWR on my 2500HD both my vehicles are exempt!You can't change the GVWR. It goes by vin.

[LTb1ow]

You can't change the GVWR. It goes by vin.

Commercial vehicles are allowed to set their GVWR. AFAIK.

[sweetbmxrider]

You can't change the GVWR. It goes by vin.

You can change it on registration, but not for inspection. That is set by the manufacturer/upfitter.

[ThoR294]

GVWR goes by VIN? IF that's the case my Dakota is off by 2000 then lol

[sweetbmxrider]

I don't think so since it varies so much. Its on the door tag. Maybe its tied in?

[LTb1ow]

Does VIN change with upfitting?

[Featherburner]

You can change it on registration, but not for inspection. That is set by the manufacturer/upfitter.Correct, you can register you HD for 6000 pounds which is cheaper but it's on you if you get stopped and are overweight. Not that would ever happen but with the MVC mobile inspections I guess anything is possible. But no matter what it's registered for, they go by the vin for the GVWR. My truck is an 02 2500HD and gets the tailpipe test every 2 years because the vin lists the GVWR at 9200 pounds. I'm due 12/17 for inspection but I guess I'll be exempt.:w00t:

[sweetbmxrider]

Does VIN change with upfitting?

No :facepalm:

Correct, you can register you HD for 6000 pounds which is cheaper but it's on you if you get stopped and are overweight. Not that would ever happen but with the MVC mobile inspections I guess anything is possible. But no matter what it's registered for, they go by the vin for the GVWR. My truck is an 02 2500HD and gets the tailpipe test every 2 years because the vin lists the GVWR at 9200 pounds. I'm due 12/17 for inspection but I guess I'll be exempt.:w00t:

They look at your door sticker to verify GVWR. The barcode on the sticker does contain GVWR info but it does not mean the vehicle is still rated the same. Consider incomplete chassis trucks, work vans, etc. GM does put their barcode with the dash vin on most every vehicle so the same information is contained within that barcode but it does not mean the vin dictates the GVWR.

Edit: I was actually rethinking this. The GVWR is part of the registration card barcode. It is printed on the door sticker. That barcode does not contain vehicle info afaik.

[maroman88]

Beginning May 1, 2016, the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission is changing the inspection requirements for certain vehicles. Due to the cessation of tailpipe emission testing, the following passenger vehicles now will be exempted from inspection:

Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 1995 & older with a GVWR 8,500 pounds or less.
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 2007 & older with a GVWR 8,501 to 14,000 pounds.
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 2013 & older with a GVWR 14,001 pounds or more.

Commercial still requires inspection

also, my PD was notified and this was posted at our desk.

[ThoR294]

Kay so mah truck is 4300 GVWR and reg is 5000. guess they round up lol.

I just realized most OBD1 cahs can be antiques to say the least.

[unstable bob gable]

Mebbe I should get back in the game with a nice or not so nice turd gen. I know where I can get a sweet 4 cyl. Camerro. :D

[Featherburner]

No :facepalm:



They look at your door sticker to verify GVWR. The barcode on the sticker does contain GVWR info but it does not mean the vehicle is still rated the same. Consider incomplete chassis trucks, work vans, etc. GM does put their barcode with the dash vin on most every vehicle so the same information is contained within that barcode but it does not mean the vin dictates the GVWR.

Edit: I was actually rethinking this. The GVWR is part of the registration card barcode. It is printed on the door sticker. That barcode does not contain vehicle info afaik.I went to MVC last December and the guy was having a hard time scanning the barcode off the vin plate because I had the windshield replaced and the installer got a small amount of butyl on the bar code. He ended up having to input the vin manually before he could continue with the inspection. I know my truck is registered for 6000lbs. GVWR but they run the inspection as 9200lbs. GVWR. Correct me if I'm wrong but the GVWR wouldn't change if it were an incomplete chassis truck. The weight you could carry might change depending how outfitted (utility box vs. flatbed ect.) but the GVWR which is set by the chassis and suspension wouldn't change.

[LTb1ow]

I went to MVC last December and the guy was having a hard time scanning the barcode off the vin plate because I had the windshield replaced and the installer got a small amount of butyl on the bar code. He ended up having to input the vin manually before he could continue with the inspection. I know my truck is registered for 6000lbs. GVWR but they run the inspection as 9200lbs. GVWR. Correct me if I'm wrong but the GVWR wouldn't change if it were an incomplete chassis truck. The weight you could carry might change depending how outfitted (utility box vs. flatbed ect.) but the GVWR which is set by the chassis and suspension wouldn't change.

An uplifter can uprate or derate the GVWR on trucks/vans when playing the game of sneaking around or above commercial limits.

Same goes for if you tag a truck commerically, the GVWR is moot, the DOT guy cares about GAWR and GCWR more than GVWR.

Which is why you see tons of gasser 3500 d00lyz, biggest tow capacity under a CDL A :kneeslap:

[sweetbmxrider]

How the truck is registered is not how it is tested. They read the door sticker and input it manually. It saves afterwards into the system. If no sticker is present, the gvwr is estimated.

http://www.worktruckonline.com/channel/operations/article/story/2008/03/re-rating-gvwr-why-and-how-it-s-done.aspx

I hope its not butyl, urethane is the correct snot :lol:

[IROCZman15]

Beginning May 1, 2016, the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission is changing the inspection requirements for certain vehicles. Due to the cessation of tailpipe emission testing, the following passenger vehicles now will be exempted from inspection:

Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 1995 & older with a GVWR 8,500 pounds or less.
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 2007 & older with a GVWR 8,501 to 14,000 pounds.
Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 2013 & older with a GVWR 14,001 pounds or more.

Commercial still requires inspection

also, my PD was notified and this was posted at our desk.


correct. I have pulled a few people over already who are very confused by all of this. Firstly I tell them that it is not yet May 1, 2016 an the old rules still apply. Secondly they have trouble understanding that the GVWR is also a factor and not the year only. Their typical response is "oh, my friend told me that I didn't need inspection anymore" I kindly tell them that they should look up the exact rules by themself because what their friend told them is incorrect.

Bottom line... It is somewhat expected that some people will be confused, especially if hearing about the law change from an unofficial source, but it is still their responsibility to find out the correct info for themselves; especially if they think that the law change actually might apply to their vehicle.

For me, I am happy because 2 of my vehicles are exempt . The 87 camaro, and my 95 jeep. The 2006 dodge ram will still need inspection, but I'm not modding it like crazy, and the wife's 2010 mazda 6 will still have to go. No problem really, I live 5 mins from the Randolph DMV.

perhaps it is time to pump some nitro-methane into my 95 wrangler inline 4 banger to boost up the stock 110 hp!!!

[unstable bob gable]

perhaps it is time to pump some nitro-methane into my 95 wrangler inline 4 banger to boost up the stock 110 hp!!!

It needs NOS, turbo, a blower, a supercharger, and nitro!

[PolarBear]

Does VIN change with upfitting?

I would imagine you could. When I was failing insppection with my Suburban, I think because someone did an engine swap, the guy at the state inspection told me that the state would have to re-vin my vehicle so it would have the proper engine for the vin so I would be able to pass for the proper specs. The Burb came from Arizona and had a new engine certification tag from AZ riveted in the door jamb.

[Jersey Mike]

Welp, 5 days into May. If any of you brave souls decide to rip your stickers off, let us know how things play out hereforth!

[PolarBear]

I will be running without one on the Suburban, as I already have been.... lol

[zraffz]

Welp, 5 days into May. If any of you brave souls decide to rip your stickers off, let us know how things play out hereforth!

I got pulled over by the NJSP back in mid April for no inspection sticker in my 2005 2500HD (6500 registered GVWR) and told them come May I planned on upping the GVWR for the exemption.

They laughed and told me to have a good day.

[sweetbmxrider]

I got pulled over by the NJSP back in mid April for no inspection sticker in my 2005 2500HD (6500 registered GVWR) and told them come May I planned on upping the GVWR for the exemption.

They laughed and told me to have a good day.

GVWR is on the door sticker, not what you register it for.

[WSex]

My s4 is inspection free. Yay

[ThoR294]

GVWR is on the door sticker, not what you register it for.

Yeah they rounded the gvwr up on my Dakota from the door sticker.

[zraffz]

GVWR is on the door sticker, not what you register it for.

I am kinda doubting this. You can derate the registered weight during registration to whatever you want. By default, it's 5,000lbs and you pay extra to raise it. It does not automatically get set by VIN when you go to the DMV because neither my 2500HD or M923 (6x6) was capped at 5,000lhs from the vin.

So I don't have to up my GVWR on my registration to be exempt since this truck has a 9200lb GVWR from GM?

I know with the self inspect at 10,0001lbs, you needed to physically raise the registered GVWR (as long as it didn't exceed the manufacturer's rating).

[sweetbmxrider]

I am kinda doubting this. You can derate the registered weight during registration to whatever you want. By default, it's 5,000lbs and you pay extra to raise it. It does not automatically get set by VIN when you go to the DMV because neither my 2500HD or M923 (6x6) was capped at 5,000lhs from the vin.

So I don't have to up my GVWR on my registration to be exempt since this truck has a 9200lb GVWR from GM?

I know with the self inspect at 10,0001lbs, you needed to physically raise the registered GVWR (as long as it didn't exceed the manufacturer's rating).

You deal with big trucks right? If you get caught hauling more than you are tagged for, you are in trouble. The inspection wouldn't change because you tagged it lower. Your hd was a tail pipe test before, correct? And its 07 or older?

[zraffz]

You deal with big trucks right? If you get caught hauling more than you are tagged for, you are in trouble. The inspection wouldn't change because you tagged it lower. Your hd was a tail pipe test before, correct? And its 07 or older?

Yes to all but where do you see its being based off the manufacturer's spec and not the registered weight? I am aware the VIN will tell the GVWR from the factory but i am skeptical, why would the DMV let me register this truck for less than it actually weighs (for example it's tagged for 5,000lbs GVWR which isn't even the curb weight)?

That's why I don't understand if this exemption is based off registered GVWR or manufacturer GVWR.


You can derate a hydraulic brake commercial vehicle a certain percentage (let's say your axles total 28,000; you can register that legally below 26,001 and beat the CDL requirement). I'd imagine when a police officer runs your plate all they see is the registered weight and not the manufacturer's rated capacity... the state wants you to pay for running heavy (the higher the GVWR the more the registration costs), why would they reward people like me that have a truck that meets the requirements but isn't paying the state for it?

[LTb1ow]

GVWR is for stopping idiots ruining motors/trans and warranties, a DOT guy will care more about GCWR and axle weights.

[sweetbmxrider]

Because reasons :lol:

Mainly head in ass nj.

You are welcome to register it however you want. I would leave it where it is. If you aren't exempt but you qualify, point to your door sticker showing GVWR. I doubt that situation will arise though.

[zraffz]

GVWR is for stopping idiots ruining motors/trans and warranties, a DOT guy will care more about GCWR and axle weights.

It absolutely has to do with transmission warrantees and stopping power.

Your GVWR is figured based off axle weights (generally the combination of the two, minus 15-20% to reduce odds of damage while off road).

It's usually difficult to reach your GVWR without overloading the rear though.


If we want to get technical, almost anybody you see with a plow on the front of their pickup truck is overloading the front axle and in violation of the law.

[zraffz]

Because reasons :lol:

Mainly head in ass nj.

You are welcome to register it however you want. I would leave it where it is. If you aren't exempt but you qualify, point to your door sticker showing GVWR. I doubt that situation will arise though.

The NJSP already laughed when I got pulled over and couldn't clarify the law (this was mid april)

[LTb1ow]

It absolutely has to do with transmission warrantees and stopping power.

Your GVWR is figured based off axle weights (generally the combination of the two, minus 15-20% to reduce odds of damage while off road).

It's usually difficult to reach your GVWR without overloading the rear though.


If we want to get technical, almost anybody you see with a plow on the front of their pickup truck is overloading the front axle and in violation of the law.

On a duramax, I can most definitely hit GCWR well before GVWR, or GAWR. RCLB though.

Axle is rated 10,800lb

Light duty truck stuff :lol:

[Featherburner]

I am kinda doubting this. You can derate the registered weight during registration to whatever you want. By default, it's 5,000lbs and you pay extra to raise it. It does not automatically get set by VIN when you go to the DMV because neither my 2500HD or M923 (6x6) was capped at 5,000lhs from the vin.

So I don't have to up my GVWR on my registration to be exempt since this truck has a 9200lb GVWR from GM?

I know with the self inspect at 10,0001lbs, you needed to physically raise the registered GVWR (as long as it didn't exceed the manufacturer's rating).I sure MVC is inspecting your truck as HD even though you are registered at 6000lbs. If they were doing the tailpipe test they were doing the HD inspection. If they were testing it as registered it would have gotten plugged in under the dash and that would have been it.

[sweetbmxrider]

The NJSP already laughed when I got pulled over and couldn't clarify the law (this was mid april)

State Police are law enforcement officials, if they don't know the law and granted it is changing, that is their agenda. State Inspectors perform State Inspections.

I sure MVC is inspecting your truck as HD even though you are registered at 6000lbs. If they were doing the tailpipe test they were doing the HD inspection. If they were testing it as registered it would have gotten plugged in under the dash and that would have been it.

Very well put, thank you!

[zraffz]

On a duramax, I can most definitely hit GCWR well before GVWR, or GAWR. RCLB though.

Axle is rated 10,800lb

Light duty truck stuff :lol:

Notice I said GVWR for a reason. In the world of the big trucks, you might have a single axle with a 20k front axle and 26k rear (this is the biggest set of axles that I know of in a SA truck). If you cross the scales at your 46,000lb GVWR, you can certainly assume the rear is overloaded lol.


Let's take a 2016 2500HD as the example. It has a combined axle weight of 10,600. The GVWR is only 9,300. Your front axle weight is rated at 4,400 but empty the truck already has 3,216lbs on it. This means an extra 1,184lbs brings you to the legal limit on just that axle. For example, a 8' western ultra mount is just shy of 900lbs but I'd imagine because of the weight being in front of the axle, you will transfer a little bit of weight from the rear and probably come close to overloading that axle. On the older 3/4 ton trucks or the dieseld, you can almost count that the 8' plow is overloading the front axles legal capacity.

That truck as a single cab long bed 6.0 weighs 5,717. You could theoretically hold 5,083lbs in the trucks bed but your rear axle can only hold 3,699lbs before it's overloaded. Unless the bulk of that weight is directly behind the cab and transferring weight forward, it would probably overload the rear.


All of this is factoring in the truck's axle weight rating of 10,600 as being the GVWR, which it isn't. The good news is that truck can weigh 21,100 while towing (11,800 capacity) which would make it impossible to overload the rear axle unless you have no concept for how to evenly distribute weight onto a trailer.


I see flatbed trucks and box trucks get put out of commission all the time by the DOT just on my local commutes (on state highways).

[LTb1ow]

Yea, try figuring GM recommended king pin weight. :lol:

Either way, like you said the DOT guy will go off of axle weight limits and not really concern over GVWR.

[sweetbmxrider]

And none of which a state inspector will care about. GVWR on door sticker, that's it.

[LTb1ow]

And none of which a state inspector will care about. GVWR on door sticker, that's it.

Yes, but who cares about the inspector, we shifted topics to tow things!

:bertstare:

[sweetbmxrider]

Yes, but who cares about the inspector, we shifted topics to tow things!

:bertstare:

Towing is ghey bro :nick: Rollin coal in a cummins is the sheit!!!