Shots fired, your move Euros....

[Frosty]

...and to the "I can just buy a Corvette blah blah blah blah" crew....stay the F out, I don't feel like having another thread locked because of your baseless, ****tard know-nothing opinions/arguing. ;)

http://www.camaronews.com/camaronews-bloggers/official-release-2017-camaro-zl1-vs-everybody/

The 6thgen is still growing on me but my God....that car is poised to be sick...absolutely sick. If I had the $$ I'd say please take it now. I really want to test drive this 10-speed auto. The 8-speed is fantastic in the Corvette and 6thgen.

That is all, we now bring you to your regularly schedule programming.

[sweetbmxrider]

Nice car. The front grill waves throw me off a bit.

[LS1ow]

Very curious as to how it is with a 10 speed. It still blows my mind when i see that im in 8th gear in my audi.

[LTb1ow]

Land barge with a big rig ten speed?

#seemslegit

[Blackbirdws6]

I like it a lot although I probably would prefer a more duckbill spoiler versus the mini high rise deal. This will be a performer for sure.

[BonzoHansen]

Land barge with a big rig ten speed?

#seemslegit

they are smaller than 5th gens

[Frosty]

they are smaller than 5th gens

...and A LOT lighter

[qwikz28]

Any reason why this wouldn't get the Vette's 7 speed manual? Seems odd.

[Frosty]

Any reason why this wouldn't get the Vette's 7 speed manual? Seems odd.

Doesn't fit the chassis.

[qwikz28]

Doesn't fit the chassis.

Makes sense.

[Frosty]

Makes sense.

Yup...and to be honest that 7th gear in the Vette is a bit overkill IMO. It's still a nice trans, shifts like butter but that 7th gear isn't really needed.

[V]

I love it. If I had the money, I'd be all over it. I don't and never will(married with a baby) so oh well.

[Paul Huryk]

10 speed is going to be a really expensive item to fix when it breaks (and it will). I had seen an article a few years ago where a bunch of car engineers were going through the facts that a 7 to 8 speed is optimal in a gas engine car or truck. The less power you have, the more you need more transmission speeds.

I wonder if Chevy fixed the problem with the 5th gen ZL1's power - they never performed in the 1/4 mile as the 580hp should have done. I know the 6th gen is going to be 200lbs lighter and have 60 more hp, but if it doesn't push 125mph it is going to be an issue.

[Frosty]

The problem with the 5thgen ZL1 is that it's so f'in heavy. I'm still considering picking up a 14-15 ZL1 by years end if things fall into place but after driving a few 6thgens you can really, really feel the difference in the chassis and weight.

[sweetbmxrider]

What did you mean by your move euros?

[Frosty]

What did you mean by your move euros?

Easy, this is a world class car...or at least on paper it looks it will be. To hell with Ford, this car is going European car hunting. :)

I can't wait until we get one in at the dealership.

[sweetbmxrider]

Easy, this is a world class car...or at least on paper it looks it will be. To hell with Ford, this car is going European car hunting. :)

I can't wait until we get one in at the dealership.

Right, but what specific offerings from the euro companies?

How do you think a hellcat compares to this zl1?

[Blackbirdws6]

I don't see much cross shopping from the Euro offerings and this car. Sure a few might be swayed to buy this over a M4 but likely not.

I think this car will beat a Challenger Hellcat stock for stock. It may be a close race in a straight line from a roll but that's about it. More tire, less weight and possibly the benefit of the 10 speed should make up for the power deficit.

Hopefully they did a better job managing the heat with this car than the C7Z and CTS-V.

[BonzoHansen]

Others bring up Camaro vs Euros as well: http://www.motortrend.com/news/comparison-2015-bmw-m4-vs-2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss/

[LS1ow]

Easy, this is a world class car...or at least on paper it looks it will be. To hell with Ford, this car is going European car hunting. :)

I can't wait until we get one in at the dealership.

Right, but what specific offerings from the euro companies?

How do you think a hellcat compares to this zl1?

I don't see much cross shopping from the Euro offerings and this car. Sure a few might be swayed to buy this over a M4 but likely not.

I think this car will beat a Challenger Hellcat stock for stock. It may be a close race in a straight line from a roll but that's about it. More tire, less weight and possibly the benefit of the 10 speed should make up for the power deficit.

Hopefully they did a better job managing the heat with this car than the C7Z and CTS-V.

I understand the whole Euro fighter thing but i dont really see it as much as say we used to. M3 used to be the benchmark for everything and i feel like that is beyond us.

I havent sat in a 6th gen yet, but ive driven countless RS5(our closest comparison for the ZL1), and i dont see the ZL1 taking away any RS5 buyers.

two different markets in my opinion.

[sweetbmxrider]

I understand the whole Euro fighter thing but i dont really see it as much as say we used to. M3 used to be the benchmark for everything and i feel like that is beyond us.

I havent sat in a 6th gen yet, but ive driven countless RS5(our closest comparison for the ZL1), and i dont see the ZL1 taking away any RS5 buyers.

two different markets in my opinion.

That was my thought. Euro is thought to have luxury and refinement where America is more raw and get er done in so many words :rofl:

[Frosty]

That was my thought. Euro is thought to have luxury and refinement where America is more raw and get er done in so many words :rofl:

True to a point but the 6thgen is a lot more refined, it might sway some people.

However I wasn't really speaking about consumers cross shopping, more along the lines of bang for the buck and overall performance.

[Frosty]

Others bring up Camaro vs Euros as well: http://www.motortrend.com/news/comparison-2015-bmw-m4-vs-2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss/

Wow, I rarely read magazines, if ever....that's one hell of a glowing review. Glad the "experts" said the same thing, I'm just basing my opinions off of driving experiences...good stuff.

[ThoR294]

The only thing in euro mind is how to over engineer the shyte out of their car. ZL1 better be good because the 5.bro ain't playing around this time.

[elle]

I would just buy a Vette

[Paul Huryk]

I'm going to agree with you.

Considering the price and the fact that bolt-ons would get you close in terms of speed (not power since the 6th gen is heavy) with a Stingray.

Sure you would lose the back seats - not an issue for most buyers.

I would just buy a Vette

[sweetbmxrider]

True to a point but the 6thgen is a lot more refined, it might sway some people.

However I wasn't really speaking about consumers cross shopping, more along the lines of bang for the buck and overall performance.

You have my interests peaked, I'm considering NYIAS to check it out along with some of the euro offerings. Dat press pass 8-)

[unstable bob gable]

Dayum nice looking car.

[Mike]

Only people shopping straight from the comparison tests will be swayed...drivers shopping the big euro emblems won't even consider a Chevrolet regardless of its numbers

[Frosty]

You have my interests peaked, I'm considering NYIAS to check it out along with some of the euro offerings. Dat press pass 8-)

I love my 5thgen, the small mods done to it performance wise, the cosmetic stuff done to it...it's right where I want it to be. However the 6thgen is a completely different car. It's lighter, more nimble, more refined...the looks are just subjective.

Only people shopping straight from the comparison tests will be swayed...drivers shopping the big euro emblems won't even consider a Chevrolet regardless of its numbers


Probably true, their loss really.

[sweetbmxrider]

I love my 5thgen, the small mods done to it performance wise, the cosmetic stuff done to it...it's right where I want it to be. However the 6thgen is a completely different car. It's lighter, more nimble, more refined...the looks are just subjective.

Where do I sign?!?!?!?!?!? :lol:

[Frosty]

Where do I sign?!?!?!?!?!? :lol:

You local Chevy dealer...make sure you get the NPP exhaust and Magnetic Ride Control...skip the 6 piston caliper upgrade lol

So far my customers like them, had 2 customers ditch their Mustangs for them. I hate the auto industry but at least there are some cool perks of working in the service department, I get to drive everything. :)

[NJ Torque]

You local Chevy dealer...make sure you get the NPP exhaust and Magnetic Ride Control...skip the 6 piston caliper upgrade lol

So far my customers like them, had 2 customers ditch their Mustangs for them. I hate the auto industry but at least there are some cool perks of working in the service department, I get to drive everything. :)

other then that, it sucks.

The extended/overnight test drives are lovely too.

[NastyEllEssWon]

geez. those are probably the most flattering shots I've seen of the new Camaro yet. I look forward to seeing one in person now :nod:

[Frosty]

other then that, it sucks.

The extended/overnight test drives are lovely too.

lol, I rarely get that chance since I'm a service advisor. On the off chance I do drive a customer's car I don't mess around. If it's our car, well...then it's our car lol. I don't like driving customer's cars, too much liability but I will if they ask me to, especially my Camaro and Corvette customes. I had a customer with a 2012 C6 with an Eforce supercharger on it, had a rattle on the driver's side, insisted I drive it....who am I to deny a customer's request? ;) :kneeslap:

Here's a driving clip of the ZL1. I'm now taking bids on my blood, sperm and right side kidney. All offers will be considered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=131&v=wLDSlYvprTM

[V]

Pics from NYIAS

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12928173_10153347730066394_6827688336596088094_n.j pg?oh=be6546df840de0091f1eb2bdeabcb819&oe=577FAA2E
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12670705_10153347730041394_6194247629008695596_n.j pg?oh=1b66b2c8a85ca750dfe48dadb9039a42&oe=57905810
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12924568_10153347729946394_7293800139846769392_n.j pg?oh=b582c6d0aae0d79d10cb9b56da8c6246&oe=577D304E

[maroman88]

dat asssssssss

[V]

The zl1 is really nice.

I also checked out and sat in a regular 2016 Camaro. I had been considering getting one when my 2014 lease is up in February. However there is even less room in the back seat and not even one babyseat would fit nevertheless two. So that option is out.

I also checked out the ats-v. They had a sedan and coupe. The sedan would fit two babyseats. But stars at 65k. **Sigh**
So ill be shopping for a gen 2 cts-V i guess.

[sweetbmxrider]

How is the visibility out of a 6th gen compared to a 5th gen?

[qwikz28]

I was surprised how comfortable the front seats of the 6th gen were. The interior is quite nice.

[V]

Yes. The interior feels like a completely different car compared to my '14.

I didn't consider the visibility much since i was so disappointed by the lack of space in the back but nothing stood out compared to my car. Side doors and windows seemed similar and windshield was close to the same low line. I did notice the back window seemed small though. Hard to tell real visibility with people standing all around the car.

[BigAls87Z28]

6th gen felt the same as a 5th gen, only with a smaller back seat, but I feel that due to the smaller size, I know where the ends of the car are better than the 5th gen.

[elle]

How is the visibility out of a 6th gen compared to a 5th gen?


still can't see anything

[sweetbmxrider]

D87tO7VUs2I&nohtml5

[qwikz28]

I watched the video earlier and it's unbelievable that they didn't make one mention about the difference in tires. The M4 has Michelin Pilot Super Sports and the Camaro has runflats. I know they wanted to show how similar the numbers are, but they should have at least pointed out that with if the M4 didn't have such expensive, sticky tires, the match wouldn't have been so close.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I hope they keep dragging that roofline back into a hatch for the next generation model. They're getting there with the styling but still too much 5th gen look in the front end. They cleaned up the back end to the point that I actually like the rear view now....but that front needs work.