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qwikz28

03-27-2016, 11:03 AM

The OGs know I've had my fourth gen for a long time and I think it's time to consider it's replacement. What I want is to build a restomod/pro-touring first gen and transfer the drivetrain and some interior parts from my fourth gen to keep the cost down (the truth is, my car is worth more in parts than whole) and keep my car's "spirit" alive. I'm not the most mechanically inclined so I'm taking the time now to do my research and plan/save.

I've been searching a lot on google and forums to find some information, but what I would really like is a cohesive source such as a book or articles to read about building a first gen and what is needed. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Pic for idea of what I have in mind:
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa339/tubbed69/027.jpg

WildBillyT

03-27-2016, 03:16 PM

Best bet might be just to do a lot of reading over at pro-touring and lat G.

BonzoHansen

03-27-2016, 05:29 PM

And buy a completed car then mod from there

qwikz28

03-27-2016, 06:34 PM

Best bet might be just to do a lot of reading over at pro-touring and lat G.

And buy a completed car then mod from there

I've been searching for days but everything I find is about modding the car or specific issues people hit during the restoration process. I know the common rust areas and that everyone thinks Detroit Speed can do no wrong. I also know that inevitably, you can save money by purchasing a completed car. The absolute most I would be willing to do is buy a restored shell to build up with help from a shop.

What I haven't been able to find is much information on the build process (although I found some books on Amazon after I first posted that I may order and breeze through). I am no where near the point of locating a car and what stage of completion the car would be - I really just know the car I want and how I want it to be modded.

omarcamaro

03-27-2016, 06:42 PM

I'm doing the same thing as you I use team Camaro fourm for all my needs you can pm with any question on the classic look with modern twist

sweetbmxrider

03-27-2016, 06:56 PM

I think rust and fabrication will be your biggest hurtles.

03-27-2016, 06:58 PM

I know someone that will come by and collect any unwanted 4th gen parts, lol

qwikz28

03-27-2016, 08:51 PM

lol @ Paul.

I'm not worried about rust and fabrication. If it were needed, I'd outsource it but I found this and would make something like this a starting point if I weren't buying a completed car: http://www.musclecarmetal.com/WIP/rolling_camaro.asp

And thanks Omar, but I'm really just looking for prelim reading material on the basics.

madness410

03-27-2016, 10:03 PM

i cant contribute much but good luck on your build. you are doing what id like to do with a first gen or an 81 or 92 camaro. keep us posted what you do.

btw i also know someone who is willing to collect unwanted fourth gen parts...

KevinW

03-28-2016, 06:30 AM

Quik, Team Camaro has a Pro-touring forum http://www.camaros.net/forums/56-pro-touring/

But you will need to consult the other forums to get the basic body and non-moded portions of the car.

The hardest part about 1st gens is to deal with the body. Almost all the projects we see now are really rusted or pigs with lipstick. So if you do not have major welding skills, you need to find a better cared for car that will provide a good base (but this means way more $$$!).

Another good forum is the "whats it worth" http://www.camaros.net/forums/66-whats-worth/

We talk about ebay and other ads and critique the worthiness of them. So any car you find, post it up and we will give you the good and bad. :)

So join up and stop by the welcome section http://www.camaros.net/forums/67-welcome-wagon/ and say Hi. We will steer you in the right direction :)

KevinW, Mod on Team Camaro

Omar, thanks for the recommendation too!

qwikz28

03-28-2016, 07:36 AM

Thanks, Kevin. I don't have the trained eye to be able to pick out the "pigs with lipstick" and watching that Gas Monkey Garage show made me realize that even experts can make mistakes on purchases and end up losing big money. Since I want to have the car minitubbed and a roll bar installed, the car will need to go to a fabricator anyway and will need to be disassembled. That makes me think that a rolling shell like the one I posted previously is a safe bet rather than taking a gamble on a completed car that may have been poorly patched up. I'm not looking to make a show car, but I want the metal on the car to be in good condition so it can last as long as my 4th gen last me, you know?

I found a post on Team Camaro last week that I'm going to try and dig up. The guy was saying that he bought a completed car to turn into a pro-tourer, but in the end of the day, he spent so much money on fixing the body work and hidden rust, that he concluded it would have been cheaper to start from bare, new sheetmetal since he was replacing so much of the car anyway.

KevinW

03-28-2016, 09:15 AM

Even a completed car may have issues, homework is key! If you can figure out how to get a NJ VIN on a dynacorn body, that might be the way to go, but it wont be cheap :)

This one might be worth a visit http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/5500684361.html still need to see if a NJ title can be obtained. Rusty floor and rockers, but it may not be deep.

BonzoHansen

03-28-2016, 11:11 AM

qwikz28

03-28-2016, 11:44 AM

I'm pretty confident I don't want a dynacorn body. That brings it into kit car status which I do not want to be involved with. And I read on Team Camaro that the fit and finish isn't great.

I'm willing to do my homework, but I just don't know where to start. That craigslist ad you posted, for example, is way beyond my capabilities. I suppose I could save a few bucks by bringing something like that to Paul at RPM and having him finish the body work, but its still not something I would want to do without first learning what is involved in the build process. Without that, I don't think I can even get into what I should be buying. Or how far in over my head I would be when I bought something...

sweetbmxrider

03-28-2016, 12:05 PM

If that is too much project for you, can I ask what you are budgeting towards this?

WildBillyT

03-28-2016, 02:13 PM

There are options like this:

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/5487193901.html

You'd have to sell the engine of course.

Paint will be expensive.

BonzoHansen

03-28-2016, 02:15 PM

holy smokes $18k?

qwikz28

03-28-2016, 02:27 PM

My goodness that is a hell of a find.

I have a great hookup with paint. A friend of mine I do business with owns a body shop. This is an excellent find.

KevinW

03-28-2016, 02:32 PM

My goodness that is a hell of a find.

Sarcasm? :scratch:

Weld inspection for quality is required on that one!

qwikz28

03-28-2016, 02:34 PM

Sarcasm? :scratch:

Weld inspection for quality is required on that one!

Looks it to me. What am I missing? :-?

KevinW

03-28-2016, 02:55 PM

If the body work and welding were done correctly and maybe if the price can be lowered by not taking the engine and trans, it might be worth a look, you never know. Sounds like he has some new parts, that might not be what you want, see if he wants to sell it without those new parts. The initial price tag might sound high, but negotiation always start high. :D A clean NJ title is worth some $$ to avoid the hassles.

That one looks better (potentially) than this one for $15.5K :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-x-11-/121933222703?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1c63c9532f:g:qGMAAOSwAvJW8evj&item=121933222703&rmvSB=true

qwikz28

03-28-2016, 03:15 PM

This is so embarrassing. I am going to buy the books on amazon I found. The prices are all over the place and I have no idea why that is.

Here's an interesting post I found on another forum that outlines one guy's cost:
http://www.worldwidecamaroclub.com/forum/worldwide-camaro-club-message-board/first-generation/2817-cost-to-build-a-camaro-from-scratch?p=17744#post17744

BonzoHansen

03-28-2016, 03:15 PM

I might have a book or two here you might be interested in. I'll look.

KevinW

03-28-2016, 04:02 PM

Nothing embarrassing here. 1st gen prices ARE crazy! You have to be picky and look at a lot. I am dead serious, you really need to go look at all these local ones! By seeing what is out there and seeing the rust piles, you will be able to recognize the prize when you finally find it.

What books? I find most of the "how to restore your Camaro" type books are just fluff. I have one of those, its yours real cheap! :)

sweetbmxrider

03-28-2016, 04:36 PM

That one on ebay is roughhhhhhh

Did you see this (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?p=925792#post925792) thread?

KevinW

03-28-2016, 05:35 PM

So 1st gen prices started really going nuts when Barrett Jackson auctions started being televised. Now everyone thinks they have a gold mine. But since the number of project cars has decreased, so finding a good one for a decent price is a real challenge. The equation of buying a car mostly done versus a "start from scratch car" is all about the wallet and how much work can you do yourself. As well as how long to you want to wait for a done car.

I too am part of the problem :) I have had a 69 shell for 34 years and even though there is no rust, there is still a lot of welding work to be done. But I would not let it go for less than $10K at this point. Maybe my widow will sell it cheaper :)

Take a look at the decent build shows (Bitching rides comes to mind, but there are a few more with less scripting). The amount of work these shops do at regular rates, must be in the $50K to $90K for a done car. Lots of hours spent! All those cars must be way underwater! We see a lot of them at BJ (Announcer voice) "over $100,000 spent on the resto, but car goes for $50,000", huh??? Somebody is loosing money big time, or outright lying. :)

So it is all up to you to decide which route you want to go and educate yourself on what is out there. If you want a done car, start looking at the clones. Hopefully you can find one in your budget with a crappy engine and trans to knock the price down.

BonzoHansen

03-28-2016, 07:22 PM

Also don't discount running, workable car just because of the drive train. Unless you plan on blowing it out and doing everything at once. If you are going in stages maybe you start with suspension, etc. and keep it street worthy. Cars in motion tend to stay in motion. Cars that sit tend to sit. I have an example of both. I may not be at owning a shell for 34 years but i'm closer to that then I'd like to admit. Meanwhile the red car is usually ready to go.

qwikz28

03-28-2016, 08:53 PM

I see. Great advice. Thank you guys.

I won't discount any 69 Coupe if the sheetmetal is good. I would be elated to find a running car that I could drive around right away and would delay cutting up my fourth gen. I'll start responding to some ads and checking some out in person to see what each price point will get me.

As for the budget, the number I have in mind is really for the finished product - $50k. I wouldn't be able to put it all down at once so if I found a completed car, it would need to be around $30k-$35k to accommodate for the chassis and interior work. I think having the drivetrain already makes that number attainable. Or perhaps that is more than I'll need. I don't know how to make a budget because I don't know what the build will entail.

KevinW

03-29-2016, 06:31 AM

OK, now that we have you scared, but with an open mind :) time for specifics!

First you need to look at the title and compare them to the VINS (yes, pural).

Read this page: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml (CRG is a wonderful resource!) take pictures of dash VIN and cowl VIN. If car is apart, you might even be able to see the firewall VIN. Plant letter and last 6 digits have to match. It is common for 1st gens to have rust in the dash area and the sheet metal replace, so you have to inspect the dash vin tag area and see how it is attached. Take pics of the front and back as much as you can and post for review. We do it all the time in http://www.camaros.net/forums/15-tag-team/

Next, Metal! So if the car has finished paint or primer, take a Rockauto refrig magnet and check: around rear wheels, lower corners of door opening and door, lower front and rear of fenders and rockers. Basically anywhere you cannot see the backside of a panel.

If the shell has had panel replacement, you need to check fit and finish. Is it on straight? gaps look proper? Look behind panel and where is was welded on. Correct welding is to drill holes, weld on primer, the plug fill the holes with MIG, then grind smooth. If, you see sloppy weld work, it will be an indication of other poor work done on car.

Lots of good examples of weld work here: http://www.camaros.net/forums/133-build-projects/

Don't despair too much if you see sloppy work, most can be fixed, but you don't want to pay extra for sub standard work!

Additional info on body issues: http://www.camaros.net/forums/12-body-shop/

You will see people take on rusty projects, with just the rust is holding it together, After they take it apart, just a few good panels are left. Then using a body jig (sold separately!), the start with the floor and build a brand new Camaro from the floors up. Brave souls!

Lots of other forums to browse! http://www.camaros.net/forums/

BonzoHansen

03-29-2016, 06:58 AM

$50k is pretty easy to burn, especially if that includes the purchase of the car. Make a high level plan and budget now. You can drop $25k on suspension/brakes/wheels/tires if you look at the DSEs of the world.

sweetbmxrider

03-29-2016, 08:19 AM

http://delaware.craigslist.org/cto/5504666843.html

Tough to tell much but could have decent quarters, prob needs floor pans. Decent candidate....

BonzoHansen

03-29-2016, 08:47 AM

http://delaware.craigslist.org/cto/5504666843.html

Tough to tell much but could have decent quarters, prob needs floor pans. Decent candidate....

and an octagon steering wheel.

KevinW

03-29-2016, 09:08 AM

Never saw the steering wheel before, groovy!

Looks like originally Daytona yellow, (white?) vinyl top, white standard interior, built after Dec 68 (curved headrests), manual 4 drum brakes, replaced drivers fender, original pass fender with lower section removed for a patch panel, Z-21 style trim (probably X11 on trim tag), aftermarket short water pump (wrong one!), no console, needs new inst cluster.

I agree, not a bad candidate at all! a fairly honest car and price. posted 6 days ago, I bet it will be sold soon!

sweetbmxrider

03-30-2016, 03:12 PM

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5499050222.html

Not many pics to go by. Prob a bit high for the price. What do you think Kevin?

KevinW

03-30-2016, 07:10 PM

I anyone wants to know how NOT to take pics for an ad, that was a great example! :) The only thing I could make out is a factory looking power brake setup.

qwikz28

03-30-2016, 09:17 PM

With the way people brag about having glass in their ads, you would think its the most expensive part of building the car.

By the way, I'm very thankful for the help, guys. Also for when the time comes and I'm ready to buy, I'll be reaching out for help again.

sweetbmxrider

03-31-2016, 06:24 AM

So I'm jumping the gun here? Got it 8-)

qwikz28

03-31-2016, 06:42 AM

So I'm jumping the gun here? Got it 8-)

Oh definitely, but its helpful :)

sweetbmxrider

03-31-2016, 09:28 AM

I've been fantasizing about something similar. Be it a camaro, bird, gto, etc so I frequent craigslist and dream

qwikz28

03-31-2016, 11:57 AM

I've been fantasizing about something similar. Be it a camaro, bird, gto, etc so I frequent craigslist and dream

Every time I see a 4th gen being sold for essentially scrap prices, I realize how silly it is that I am putting money into a fun car that isn't a classic. I started putting money aside a few months ago when I had the idea and will start looking seriously for a car as soon as the wife and I move out of our apartment.

BonzoHansen

03-31-2016, 12:21 PM

Every time I see a 4th gen being sold for essentially scrap prices, I realize how silly it is that I am putting money into a fun car that isn't a classic. I started putting money aside a few months ago when I had the idea and will start looking seriously for a car as soon as the wife and I move out of our apartment.

Mark Steilow, builder of uber-pro-touring 69 camaros (and a 67) and 5th gen z28 head suspension engineer was once asked why he doesn't build a second gen, or a nova, or something else. His reply was it costs the same about of money to build each of them give or take buying the initial car, but the 69 has a higher resale value.

and it's why i wont buy forgelines for my 77.

qwikz28

03-31-2016, 12:44 PM

Mark Steilow, builder of uber-pro-touring 69 camaros (and a 67) and 5th gen z28 head suspension engineer was once asked why he doesn't build a second gen, or a nova, or something else. His reply was it costs the same about of money to build each of them give or take buying the initial car, but the 69 has a higher resale value.

and it's why i wont buy forgelines for my 77.

That's why its important for me to have a car with a VIN and its why I want to get one as soon as I can - before the prices go even higher than they already have.

WildBillyT

03-31-2016, 01:01 PM

That's why its important for me to have a car with a VIN and its why I want to get one as soon as I can - before the prices go even higher than they already have.

Prices overall have fallen in the past 10 years or so. Flat in the last 5.

I don't think you need to rush.

qwikz28

03-31-2016, 06:32 PM

I didn't know that, Bill. I keep hearing that the prices are just going up but that makes me feel better.

I've been reading through build threads on Team Camaro. A lot of good stuff in the build threads.

Quick question: Is it true that these cars rattle a lot? If so, any way to tighten the car up and make it more solid?

KevinW

04-01-2016, 06:39 AM

The only thing that rattles in my 69 is the top (when up) and the exhaust a little because I have NO clearance by the trans support :) and I have solid subframe bushings! If you get a coupe and put connectors in and sound deaden it, you will not have issues. Of course, I assume all bolts will be tight.

http://www.fototime.com/4BAA3224845D4BC/standard.jpg

qwikz28

04-03-2016, 08:09 PM

I found a great build thread on pro-touring. Full of great info: http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/65204-1968-Camaro-(projekt-1sickT8)

KevinW

04-04-2016, 06:35 AM

Yup, 1st gens always start with body work and welding :D

qwikz28

04-04-2016, 08:27 AM

The guy really made something out of nothing. Got it running with minimal funds and then tweaked from there based on the feel on an autocross course. Makes a lot of sense how he did it.

sweetbmxrider

04-06-2016, 06:44 AM

That was a great read

qwikz28

03-29-2018, 03:14 PM

Is this a steal or am I missing something? https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-camaro-complete-car-no/6544298385.html

Nevermind the completely incorrect pictures in the listing, it's obviously a pickup of some sort. This is cheap enough for me to buy with my side savings and hide from the wife until I can save more money to get a nice subframe package for it.

WildBillyT

03-29-2018, 03:37 PM

Not a steal, IMO.

Might also be a trap based on how well any repair work was done.

qwikz28

03-29-2018, 08:26 PM

Might also be a trap based on how well any repair work was done.

That's actually why I thought it was a good deal. Looks like the work was done by a camaro specific restoration company. It seems to include interior trim as well.

KevinW

03-30-2018, 05:01 AM

qwikz28

03-30-2018, 06:49 AM

The small parts will kill you, so it depends on how much of usable parts are included. If it is a lot of repro parts, then there are fitment issues ahead! A lot of repro parts look shiny and pretty in the box, but fit like crap.

If the VIN is in place and matches hidden VINs (clear NJ title) and sheet metal/welding work is done properly and well. (check panel gaps!) then it might be a deal. Looks like a full floor, but has a 67 manual shifter plate welded to floor, strange.

Frost Green 69s are mostly un-loved, I see the start of resale red on the car :)

Lol, resale red. I haven't heard that term in a while. Car would be painted silver, regardless, to match my 4th gen. :) It won't be a restore build, it's getting a LS1/T56. :drive:

I started an email dialogue with the Seller. If he says it's all genuine parts and bolts and trim are all neatly bagged and labeled, I might take a drive out this weekend to take a first look and chat with the owner. Nothing to lose except some gas money and tolls to Long Island.

It's amazing you can spot the year of shifter plate from that grainy picture, too.

Jersey Mike

03-30-2018, 08:33 AM

qwikz28

04-10-2018, 10:18 AM

Anti_Rice_Guy

04-10-2018, 10:33 AM

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-california-car-real-z28/6554365014.html

Waiting on confirmation from the broker, but planning on going to see this one on Wednesday. Not sure if it's the right car for me, but I'll only know if I go see it.

Having lived in Long Valley for 27 years, I don't recall ever seeing this car. Either it hasn't moved or is new to the area.

I can try to meet you to see if I know the name (or you can PM me).

That location is just the center of town, not their home but you probably already knew that.

WildBillyT

04-10-2018, 10:44 AM

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-california-car-real-z28/6554365014.html

Waiting on confirmation from the broker, but planning on going to see this one on Wednesday. Not sure if it's the right car for me, but I'll only know if I go see it.

Do your homework on Camaros.org.

I would guess that this seller is adding some $ due to it being an original Z. See if it's papered. If it isn't, check every clue to verify if it was what they say. Is it the original trans/rear? Date codes should match, etc.

qwikz28

04-10-2018, 11:12 AM

Having lived in Long Valley for 27 years, I don't recall ever seeing this car. Either it hasn't moved or is new to the area.

I can try to meet you to see if I know the name (or you can PM me).

That location is just the center of town, not their home but you probably already knew that.
The broker wants to meet me at Long Valley Pub and Brewery and then escort me to the car. He won't let me correspond with the owner directly. I made it clear to him that I'm not bringing any money and not willing to commit this week, in case this was a scam and this guy has larceny in his heart. If you want to come for the ride, it will probably be around 4:30 tomorrow. I should be finishing up in Augusta around 3:45-4ish.

Do your homework on Camaros.org.

I would guess that this seller is adding some $ due to it being an original Z. See if it's papered. If it isn't, check every clue to verify if it was what they say. Is it the original trans/rear? Date codes should match, etc.
I think you're right, which is a shame because that doesn't matter to me at all since it won't be kept original.

I am too much of an idiot so if I like the car, I'll be paying someone with much more knowledge on first gens to offer their opinion. I've been doing research, but mostly on suspension set ups and modern upgrades.

WildBillyT

04-10-2018, 02:38 PM

The broker wants to meet me at Long Valley Pub and Brewery and then escort me to the car. He won't let me correspond with the owner directly. I made it clear to him that I'm not bringing any money and not willing to commit this week, in case this was a scam and this guy has larceny in his heart. If you want to come for the ride, it will probably be around 4:30 tomorrow. I should be finishing up in Augusta around 3:45-4ish.

I think you're right, which is a shame because that doesn't matter to me at all since it won't be kept original.

I am too much of an idiot so if I like the car, I'll be paying someone with much more knowledge on first gens to offer their opinion. I've been doing research, but mostly on suspension set ups and modern upgrades.

Biggest thing is good pictures of the trim tag, VIN plate, and trans partial VIN. A pic of the axle code on the front of the passenger axle tube would help too- if it falls within the right date range it may be original.

Anti_Rice_Guy

04-10-2018, 03:10 PM

qwikz28

04-10-2018, 08:21 PM

No response from this guy yet. The previous listing, I gave up after the Seller gave me one word answers to all my questions. This guy was supposed to get back to me around noon, and it's now the end of the day with no confirmation of tomorrow's appointment.

Edit: Nevermind, he emailed me instead of calling. Craigslist email went to my spam. Meeting him at 5ish.

TaKid455

04-10-2018, 09:24 PM

Stuck on a Camaro or would a 68 Firebird Conv. be of interest?

TaKid455

04-10-2018, 10:04 PM

Here's an expensive VIN
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/69-camaro-convertible-project/6556723090.html

qwikz28

04-11-2018, 06:03 AM

Stuck on a Camaro or would a 68 Firebird Conv. be of interest?
Unfortunately, I am stuck on a 69 Camaro. The idea is to retire my 2002 4th gen and revive it's spirit in a first gen by transferring the driveline and other bits into the first gen. The car will be lowered on wide tires, and the 69s have the fenders to fit the wider tires. It's a shame, because I really do love vent windows.

Here's an expensive VIN
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/69-camaro-convertible-project/6556723090.html
Yikes. And this is what I don't understand. Prices are everywhere, it's so hard to determine what is a good deal. This makes the one I posted two weeks ago look like a steal.

KevinW

04-11-2018, 07:00 AM

Quik, if the current car you are looking at falls through, maybe you should talk to me about mine. Its way better then that $8,500 POS vert. Mine still needs welding, but it would be a better starting place. clear NJ title in my name from 1982 (yes, It as been garaged/barned as a project all this time, I have never drove it)

69 SS350/4speed, all parts for it, but you can pick and choose what you want included, I will part out the rest :( It is time for me to re-evaluate my projects :facepalm:

http://www.fototime.com/4B5B7FFFD0A470D/standard.jpg

sweetbmxrider

04-11-2018, 08:43 AM

That doesn't look like a no rust clean car. The shot under the dash shows half ass painting up the ebrake pedal and the firewall looks questionable by the gas pedal. The leaf spring looks like it has a spot of heavy scaling. I bet that undercoating spray is hiding more than it is helping. That tpi should be bringing the value down more than it is :rofl:

KevinW

04-11-2018, 08:55 AM

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-california-car-real-z28/6554365014.html

Waiting on confirmation from the broker, but planning on going to see this one on Wednesday. Not sure if it's the right car for me, but I'll only know if I go see it.

Oops, missed this post :)

Nice looking paint, but that is hard to really see in pictures. Has deluxe houndstooth seat covers but standard door panels, a bit of a mismatch here. drivers remote mirror was added (they cut door panel hole in wrong place :D ), exterior mirrors look like 2nd gen. You could not order a Z/28 with AC in 69, this car has factory AC, so it is not a real Z/28. So don't worry about checking for numbers, but DON't pay Z/28 prices, this is a clone.

Tilt column (nice!), factory gauges, but various fit and finish issues when looking closely.

Looking more, the title say California car. If this is an LA build (same as mine), the trim tag will not tell you if Z/28 or not. The only way to prove it is with the original engine.

No VIN listed, but this car has the short spoiler and if original to the car, build date will be July 1968 to Dec 1968, which is considered an "early" car. This also means the cowl hood was added. The headrests are also missing! :eek: that will be a little bit of trouble to fix.

Door panels look like originals, so this should be a "standard interior" car.

WildBillyT

04-11-2018, 09:25 AM

Oops, missed this post :)

Nice looking paint, but that is hard to really see in pictures. Has deluxe houndstooth seat covers but standard door panels, a bit of a mismatch here. drivers remote mirror was added (they cut door panel hole in wrong place :D ), exterior mirrors look like 2nd gen. You could not order a Z/28 with AC in 69, this car has factory AC, so it is not a real Z/28. So don't worry about checking for numbers, but DON't pay Z/28 prices, this is a clone.

Tilt column (nice!), factory gauges, but various fit and finish issues when looking closely.

Looking more, the title say California car. If this is an LA build (same as mine), the trim tag will not tell you if Z/28 or not. The only way to prove it is with the original engine.

No VIN listed, but this car has the short spoiler and if original to the car, build date will be July 1968 to Dec 1968, which is considered an "early" car. This also means the cowl hood was added. The headrests are also missing! :eek: that will be a little bit of trouble to fix.

Door panels look like originals, so this should be a "standard interior" car.

Honestly Kevin I was a bit surprised when this post wasn't here. :mrgreen:

I guess they could have retrofit the A/C switch though, right?

KevinW

04-11-2018, 10:17 AM

Honestly Kevin I was a bit surprised when this post wasn't here. :mrgreen:

I guess they could have retrofit the A/C switch though, right?

Ha! You know me too well! :) It's like a puzzle for me to look over these types of pics and fun.

So the question is about the A/C switch over.

First off, Chevy did not allow you to order A/C with any solid lifter engine (Z/28,L78,L89), opinion is the higher revving engines would throw the A/C belt often.

When looking at this car's A/C components, there is definitely a mismatch of components.

1. A/C "suitcase" in engine compartment is factory. To add this requires cutting firewall, not a small task. A/C only wiring harnesses looks to be there too.

2. "flapper valve in cowl area (under wipers). does not appear to be there. If upper cowl panel was replaced, it might have been lost. You lose Max A/C setting.

3. A/C compressor has been changed to modern version. Why would you change that unless you wanted to get A/C working?

4. Radiator support has been changed, because I see no seal there or holes for the seal. I do see the undrilled factory dimples on the support.

5. A/C condenser is present in front of radiator and dryer is there by battery. Again, you need these only if A/C is in "working" condition.

6. factory A/C dash pad (with upper vent) and heater controls are in place.

7. A/C kick panels are NOT there. They are the standard kick panels, likely they were replaced. Not having the right kickpanels has some issues with A/C operation (Max/normal).

Misc: looking closely I see the disc brake round valve, so this car came with Factory disc brakes probably. This can be added, but looks grungy enough to be original. Dirty disc brake pedal is there, a good sign.

Rear springs appear to be factory 4-leaf, but 3.31 rear is normally a SS350 rear. an LM1 or SS350 could have come with a 4 leaf from the factory.

Grill surround should be body color, so this was replaced during the paint job. But the good news is the fit is very well done. Likely GM grill and fenders and other front end parts (repros fit like crap)

Front spoiler is missing, You got both on a factory spoiler car, Check for larger diameter trunk springs to be sure.

6K redline tach is for Z/28s or big block, unknown if original, but you would not get this redline on SS350 or LM1, my guess is it was added.

My guess is that this was a decent low miles SS350 or LM1 (Special order) With A/C. http://www.camaros.org/lm1.shtml
And then they added the emblems. cowl hood and stripes and Wha La, a Z/28! :) and a price increase! :D

qwikz28

04-11-2018, 06:50 PM

I updated Nicken on this already, but I had a strange telephone conversation with the "broker" and decided to reroute back home considering how tired I was from the hectic work week. I might have been misinterpreting the tone of the conversation after discussing with Nicken, so I'm going to reschedule for the weekend. If for nothing else, at least a frame of reference moving forward.

Guys, thank you for all the insight. Especially you, Kevin. I really appreciate all the time you put into this thread. I did get out of him that it is a LA car, but he insists that the cowl hood is evidence enough that it would be a Z28. But then he backtracked and said he has reason to believe it isn't a Z28 car and that they were researching it to be sure, and either way, the price wouldn't be adjusted.

Kevin, I'm going to message you privately about the vert.

KevinW

04-11-2018, 09:42 PM

Hmm, very interesting! Sounds like they bought too high, figured out their error too late and are looking for some other "person" to help them get their money back and get this problem out of their driveway :D

KevinW

04-16-2018, 10:38 AM

Here's an expensive VIN
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/69-camaro-convertible-project/6556723090.html

Wow, the rusty 307 convertible Ad now has:

69 Camaro convertible Project sold /pending - $8500 (Ogdensburg)

Just goes to show how popular 69 Camaro verts are :D

$35,500 Z clone is still available :D

Blackbirdws6

04-16-2018, 10:51 AM

Wow, the rusty 307 convertible Ad now has:

Just goes to show how popular 69 Camaro verts are :D

Wow. That is wild.

sweetbmxrider

04-20-2018, 09:20 AM

https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-chevy-camaro/6562940582.html

Blackbirdws6

04-20-2018, 09:21 AM

https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-chevy-camaro/6562940582.html

Patiently awaiting Kevin's rundown. Loved the detail!!

KevinW

04-20-2018, 10:56 AM

:D

Well, the OP has his heart set on a 69 and this a a 67, but lets take a close look anyways :)

So good news: its a running, driving, registered 1st gen :wink: but prospective buyer would need to confirm VIN on title is same as VIN in door jamb and door jamb vin has not been messed with.

The OP is just looking for a good body, so the 4 wheel power drum, 350/th350/10 bolt would all go on the sell pile. But at least you can drive it for a while as is (once you put mufflers on ).

Interior is crap, but OP wants to change all that, so no big issue. Firebird buckets, 69 Camaro rear seat, repro door panels :)

Bad news: black primer is the go-to if you want to hide poor body work. Sellers note about 80% qtrs and floor patches just mean shortcuts were taken. Expect more hidden rust and fixing shoddy body work. Look very closely in all the hidden places for more rust to get better price.

Unless this is epoxy primer (doubtful), the primer is porous and letting moisture under the primer and is working on the metal, seeing how this looks to be stored outdoors. A total strip and surface de-rust is the way to be sure before putting shiny paint back on.

Nice looking Rallys! Probably a repro cowl hood, most of the small parts are there, but are in "used" condition.

The $14.5K price is not that bad. Get it down to $10K to $12k would be better.

qwikz28

04-21-2018, 05:53 AM

Kevin is right. As much as I love vent windows, it's 69 or nothing for me. The styling and tire clearance with the squared fenders on a lowered car is enough to make the deal for me.

sweetbmxrider

04-21-2018, 10:03 AM

Ah sorry, forgot you were hunting 69's only.

KevinW

04-22-2018, 06:35 AM

This may be worth a call and a trip to Long Island, just posted on Friday 4/20, better hurry!

https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/d/1969-camaro/6564190503.html

1969 chevy camaro
condition: like new
cylinders: 8 cylinders
drive: rwd
fuel: gas
paint color: blue
size: full-size
title status: clean
transmission: automatic

69 CAMARO
X11 CAR
WITH PAPERS AND ORIGINAL BUYERS PLATE
350/350
RUNS & DRIVE
$28,000
718-915-1751

https://images.craigslist.org/01010_cVYOjJm8JTS_1200x900.jpg

Looks like older paint and maybe a houndstooth interior. Probably be some bondo/rust under that old paint, but that is normal. no detail shots :(

Looking closer, headrest are straight which could mean an "early" 69, Dec 68 or earlier build. No engine call-outs so possibly a 6 cyl originally with a transplanted 8 cyl. If it is a deluxe interior, and in usable shape, there is money to be made selling the interior parts. Grill & fenders look good enough for originals, not repros. Rear spoiler looks added.

qwikz28

04-22-2018, 01:59 PM

Kevin, I'm surprised you could see the headrests. I just see some discoloring on the rockers.

Also, found this: https://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/cto/d/gm-427-anniversary-lz1-v8/6563073312.html

Can't copy and past this one. You need to see the whole thing.

sweetbmxrider

04-22-2018, 02:03 PM

Its a scam ad

qwikz28

04-22-2018, 04:21 PM

Its a scam ad

That makes more sense.

KevinW

04-22-2018, 06:26 PM

too bad :(

qwikz28

05-17-2018, 08:38 AM

WildBillyT

05-17-2018, 09:03 AM

How difficult is it to remove a vinyl top? :-? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-18/

Being on BAT, I'm sure it will go for way more than it's worth, but it hits all the right boxes other than that darn vinyl roof.

After the trim is removed and the top is pulled off you'd have to remove the trim pins, weld the holes shut, and then do a respray from probably the pillars up.

Looks like a pretty solid car though. I actually think the vinyl top looks good.

sweetbmxrider

05-17-2018, 10:46 AM

Do vinyl on the hood and trunk. Set a new old school racecar trend!

KevinW

05-18-2018, 07:08 AM

Actually, to repaint the roof and get rid of the vinyl would be a lot of work and expense to match the paint. Live with the vinyl is my .02, an intact one is more rare these days. Another cheaper option is to keep the trim and just paint the roof a contrasting color.

GM actually sold two tone 69 Camaros!

1969 Two-Tone Coupe Colors
DC -- -- 53-50 Glacier Blue/Dover White
KC -- -- 55-50 Azure Turquoise/Dover White
DE -- -- 53-51 Glacier Blue/Dusk Blue
ED -- -- 51-53 Dusk Blue/Glacier Blue
GC -- -- 65-50 Olympic Gold/Dover White
SM -- -- 61-63 Burnished Brown/Champagne

But lets get to this car: Cowl hood and rosewood added of course. Its not a real SS with those power drums :)

Something funky with the headlights, they seem recessed too much, hard to tell what is going on.

likely repro fenders and grill, exterior looks like a decent job, but you need to see in person to be sure

Original door panels! Bucket seat cover replaced with poor quality PUI (not that well either), but headrests look factory. Rear seat still original cover. hint, look at the difference in the puffiness of the pleats in center of seat cover, orig=puffy, repro=flat. But oddly enough door panels are the exact opposite, orig=flat, repro=puffy :D The door panels are flat, so original! Repro dash pad, but rest looks original. Aftermarket radio, so some cutting may have happened.

Trunk looks unmolested, radiator swapped, Floor pans patched, factory leaf springs.

All in all, not that bad of frame-on redo, not great, but it does have some redeeming originality. But unlikely to go cheap enough to detail the rest of it without going underwater. It is a SS350 clone, probably came with a 307 3 speed.

LS1ow

05-18-2018, 07:44 AM

I like the black top on the silver...

Let me know when the 4th gen part out is.

qwikz28

05-18-2018, 11:09 AM

I've been asking around and the general consensus is the removal of the vinyl top is more expensive than I thought. I'm going to bid, but likely a number that won't be able to lock this one in.

I just can't get myself to like the vinyl top.

B4C

08-22-2018, 08:38 AM

https://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-chevy-camaro/6674658048.html

qwikz28

08-22-2018, 07:14 PM

https://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-chevy-camaro/6674658048.html

Been looking at it all day. It's the right color, right year, etc., but it's rough. I can't understand why it has both column and floor shifters as well. I appreciate the post, but this one isn't for me. I'd rather wait for a cleaner example.

Thanks again for remembering me. :)

B4C

08-23-2018, 08:35 AM

Been looking at it all day. It's the right color, right year, etc., but it's rough. I can't understand why it has both column and floor shifters as well. I appreciate the post, but this one isn't for me. I'd rather wait for a cleaner example.

Thanks again for remembering me. :)

had nothing better to do at work, probably have nothing better to do today at work later, will look again lol. :nick:

B4C

08-23-2018, 09:06 AM

https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/power-disk-brakes-on-front/6650800112.html

looks pretty nice for the price.

BonzoHansen

08-23-2018, 10:52 AM

https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/power-disk-brakes-on-front/6650800112.html

looks pretty nice for the price.

my scam warning is going off on this. too low a price, 1 pic, the "tribute Big Block SS" comment while nothing about the car looks SS at all.

and those wheels, ugh lol

B4C

08-23-2018, 12:17 PM

my scam warning is going off on this. too low a price, 1 pic, the "tribute Big Block SS" comment while nothing about the car looks SS at all.

and those wheels, ugh lol

True it may be, or they could just know nothing about the car, bought it off ebay that way now selling it. Yes the wheels are ugly.

sweetbmxrider

08-23-2018, 04:21 PM

Its a scam

qwikz28

08-23-2018, 06:23 PM

"Power Disk brakes on front 1969 Chevy Camaro SS"

KevinW

08-24-2018, 06:27 AM

my scam warning is going off on this. too low a price, 1 pic, the "tribute Big Block SS" comment while nothing about the car looks SS at all.

and those wheels, ugh lol

I too think that price is too low, looks like custom paint and real sellers would put more pics up then one! I think the last line said it all "not a true car" :)

08-25-2018, 11:04 PM

https://mfpclassiccars.com/chevrolet/386500-1967-camaro-super-nice-big-block-5-speed-vintage-air.html

read the first line of the description here... lol

wretched73

08-28-2018, 09:38 AM

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-camaro-x66-4-speed/6664449155.html

KevinW

08-28-2018, 05:36 PM

Well, that one is looking promising! Craiglist map is showing around New-Egypt which is close to Cream ridge (around my neck of the woods!). Phone number comes back from that area (cell phone).

The L78 (375 hp) cannot be proven without the original engine or documentation. X66 (Big Block) may be there on tag, but without a pic, can't really tell.

Will need a bunch of metal work obviously, std black interior looks factory, aftermarket shifter (they cut trans tunnel :(). Might have been Garnet red originally, not a bad color combo.

Correct BB heater box, but looks like a small block radiator. Wrong master cyl, so either it does not have disc brakes (and then not a SS396) or some swapping has gone on. Heater core is probably shot based on the loop.

Some detailed detective work needs to be done before you pay real Big Block prices!

Most likely a clone with body issues. But if you are up for a challenge, it might be worth contacting owner Rob. I see a 70s Chevelle in the pics, so he know chevys, but that is also not a good thing if you are looking for a good price :D

KevinW

08-28-2018, 05:42 PM

Actually, correct BB radiator is on the floor by the gold Chevelle. Make sure that is included in deal! :D

BonzoHansen

08-28-2018, 10:31 PM

I don't know. Seems like you'd be paying for provenance you don't care about.

"What I want is to build a restomod/pro-touring first gen"

If that statement holds true then keep looking for a physically better car. They are out there at that price level.

KevinW

08-29-2018, 05:49 AM

The Black one has already been deleted from CNJ.

Here is a blue one for $13,500 from the same seller as the black BB above in Cream ridge nj.

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-camaro/6681091601.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00Q0Q_7zKYEfjsZR5_1200x900.jpg

Interior looks to be factory and in pretty good shape, Its a "late"built after Jan 1969 based on the curved headrests. Auto trans with console TH350, small block (emblems say 350), aftermarket cowl hood, but alternator mount is all wrong, components they used did not work together. Again with the power drum master cyl (what is it with this guy?).

Trunks floor has issues, rest of body probably does too! Paint and body work look to be poor quality. This will be a strip it and start from a bare body project.

Or you can go with a Real Project! again in Cream ridge :D but different seller for $1,200

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-camaro-shell/6649185332.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00707_8g63tFKUEVj_1200x900.jpg

B4C

08-29-2018, 01:28 PM

BonzoHansen

09-30-2018, 01:15 PM

So what you want is out there. Ready to write a check?

qwikz28

10-01-2018, 09:17 AM

Close, but I am looking for a car that doesn't already have an LS and suspension so I can use my drivetrain and pick out my own suspension, etc. The built cars I've found are just way too expensive.

Whether I'm still ready to write a check or not, I'm not sure anymore. My wife is trying to talk me into selling my car and getting something safer, like a new Camaro, instead so I can drive my daughter around with me. I started this thread about a month prior to finding out my wife and I were expecting. Now, my daughter eight months old and she's really attached to me. We have to trick her by distracting her with toys if I need to leave. I'd love to enjoy the car with her, but wonder if now is the right time. I found this thread, and it gives me hope that I can still exercise my dream, but wonder if I'm being foolish: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?9195801-After-16-years-finally-got-my-fun-car-(warning-cubic-inches)&p=112263073&viewfull=1#post112263073

I'm very much an immediate gratification kind of guy, so it's hard for me to be patient and kick the project down the road.

BonzoHansen

10-01-2018, 10:05 AM

I put 3 point belts in the back of my Z

10-01-2018, 05:12 PM

Jake, I have 2 kids and 3, or 4, project vehicles (maybe even 5 if you wanna be technical). One day I do plan to get to all of them. Some are kid friendly, others not so much, but I figure by the time I finish them, maybe my boys will be off to college so its all good. If you have a dream to use your drivetrain in a 1st gen, do it, even if it takes years. maybe tear your car apart now and keep the motor trans stored on the side. That way when you do move forward, you truly know the condition of the motor unlike buying a used one. However, if the project takes too long, the motor will be outdated(Ask me about my 6k mile LT1 in my '79 vette, lol).

qwikz28

10-27-2018, 01:07 PM

Well, this is spot on to what I'm looking for: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-396-4SPD-PS-PDB-/192702670272?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

Silver 69 Coupe. Big block, manual, black interior. Clean, with no rust (some surface rust in the truck, actually). A nice platform to drive around and enjoy for a few years and then upgrade into a pro-touring car in a few years. Is it crazy to put an offer on a classic car sight-unseen across the country?

KevinW

10-27-2018, 03:29 PM

Well, you can put a bid in but make sure you can fly out to ohio to see the car before you bid over $25K to make sure body work was done well. It's an X44 with 10 bolt non SS, non Z, so engine and trans are not original. But that might be in your favor since you want to LS/6speed it. Selling the 396 and trans will get you back a few bucks :) I predict the reserve is in the mid to high 30s. He has to recoup what he spent on the engine/trans, plus paint and body work :D

What I see: Dash top metal was replaced, so you know it had rust issues around the windshield/cowl. The black stripes are not done well, but it you can live with it, OK.

Fenders/grill/ front end looks straight and aligned well, nice job there! repro cowl hood and repro interior panels.

Fender emblem was installed way too low! If they drilled holes fender is screwed :( But rest of paint and body work looks well done. GM door sticker put in wrong place, you can just take them off.

Missing lower steering column cover, which means tabs in dash are broken (they can be glued back on).

Dash area looks pretty good, dash pad might need replacing, console looks to be repro, seats look good and might be original, no rips, but foam might be shot.

Seat belts are missing, expensive to get back, but if you are going with 3 point, then all good! Steering wheel looks to be repro. Hurst shifter is an aftermarket, not an original 69 version. Am radio is there, dash does not look cut, which is good!

moving under the car, floor is very undercoated, might mean it is hiding areas. Trunk might have had a patch, I see a seam, not sure why it is there.

Exterior color was 63 B, Champagne with black vinyl top, 711 black standard interior, 08E build (last week of aug 1969), vin is 124379N679586 which aligns well with the 08E date.

Champagne paint is the rarest of Camaro colors, only 0.5% of Camaros in 69 came in that color, around 1,215 cars out of 243,085! I like that color!

If they just did a little more research and painted it the original color it would be worth a whole bunch more $$, :sigh:

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/super-rare-supercar-1969-chevrolet-camaro-ss396-sports-375-hp-champagne-metallic-paint/

qwikz28

10-27-2018, 09:02 PM

Kevin, you've taught me well because I noticed a few of those things (especially the fender emblems).

But, the wrong engine and color are fine by me like you say. Same with the steering column and seatbelts, both of those would be replaced in the upgrade phase.

There's no way I have the time these days to fly out to Ohio to see the car. Nor would I have any idea what I would be looking for. The undercoating worries me, to be honest, but the car looks like enough of a driver to feel like it should be good enough. Also, I would need get the car for below $35k for it to make sense with tax and shipping. Maybe I'll follow your advice and max the bid at $25k for now...

KevinW

10-28-2018, 06:45 AM

Good luck! You should contact the seller and ask some serious questions about how the car drives, noises, clunks, etc, shipping and anything else you can think of. That will see if suspension has been sorted out and establish a dialog between you two. It will show if he is a serious seller and you are a serious buyer.

You do need to bid at least over $10,200 to get yourself on the board, don't go up to your max right away. You save that until your last bid 1 min before auction ends :D If you do not put a bid in, seller will not have as much incentive to discuss the car with you.

:D I just saw the BIN price of $39,500, like I said he is looking for mid $30s to recoup what he spent.

I think this auction will not meet the reserve, which will give you time to continue the dialog and maybe go out to see the car and negotiate the old fashioned way using the flaws to get the price where it needs to be.

KevinW

10-28-2018, 06:59 AM

Here is a little game to play about 69 VIN tags. first is the VIN tag from the silver car auction. Then some random pic from google. Which ones are original and which ones have new sheet metal work? :D

http://www.fototime.com/%7B5B771675-AFF4-45EA-8FD3-C2C5D8BB2A4E%7D/sspict/640/exp=f&modt=43388.624199213&ssdyn=1/DSC_0473.JPG

http://y2camaro.com/tag/img/69-12437NOR284945c.jpg

http://www.racehome.com/delete_images/dash-5.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9eXzpnQDNYXzaXt0TSB9WGtmgCSgYN QB8ZTuZ-RbeTpJphmHJ

qwikz28

10-28-2018, 07:38 AM

WTF, was that just glued on?

Kevin, those are good ideas, but I'm going to still bid to put myself on the map. Cincinnati is about a 9 hour drive from me, so I'm thinking if I can negotiate and get more information over the course of the upcoming weeks, I'll actually be able to drive out there in a rented pickup, check it out, and tow it home if looks as good in person too.

Time to start asking questions and looking serious...

qwikz28

10-28-2018, 07:46 AM

It looks like this guy might be a consignment dealer. Look at all the cars on his YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Stingraydog427/videos

KevinW

10-28-2018, 07:56 AM

Wow, yes he is! time to find the real owner!

As to the Vins, the factory dash vin uses two 1/8" holes that rosette rivets hold the vin plate and a backer plate. When installed the vin is nicely centered in hole and the rounded corners of the vin plate match the cutout in the dash.

Repro dashes have a square hole without rounded corners and holes are not drilled in the right place. If you just mount up the vin without checking, you get offset vins.

I had to replace my dash and had the body guy weld up the repro holes and drill then in the correct place. I wish I would have had him weld/round the corners too :sigh:

qwikz28

10-28-2018, 11:40 AM

I sent an email. We'll see. For some reason, he posts driving videos of other cars, but he didn't for this one. I'll ask him to do that when he responds.

The dealer definitely has a ton of positive feedback on eBay which puts me at ease a little. I'm thinking of seeing if there is a reputable shop around there that I could pay to inspect it for me.

KevinW

10-28-2018, 12:41 PM

There are some negative feedback in with the positives, but it does appear he works with buyers.

qwikz28

10-29-2018, 08:32 PM

This guy's email is as funny as his eBay descriptions:

The previous owner had it restored and the work done. Runs and drives great. No rattles or strange noises. Suspension is basically stock type stuff in good working order. With the new wheels and tires it will require an alignment. I’m trying to get it done on my end if I can get Scheduled in

It’s not heavily undercoated...it’s semi gloss black paint on the underside

Very nice car..very good car....the stuff works and it runs and drives excellent

I can sell outright if you are interested

Please let me know thanks Dan

B4C

10-30-2018, 06:35 PM

https://poconos.craigslist.org/cto/d/69-camaro-ss-350/6736631131.html

KevinW

11-15-2018, 09:43 AM

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-camaro-z28/6749137917.html

Piscataway, pretty close by! $15,000

1969 Camaro Z28 (styling) - One owner since 1983, stored in garage since 1987. I have had this car since I was 16 and planned to restore it with my son when he was 16. It never happened and he is 22 now. Time to let someone else have the fun. Has not been driven since 1991.

Motor: 1970 350 LT1 (corvette motor)
Trans: Turbo 400 (with quicksilver shifter)
Rear: (411:1 and extra set of 488:1 gears in good condition)
Narrowed rear with Sommers Brothers Axles

Needs work and not a real Z of course, but maybe worth a look see!

https://images.craigslist.org/00j0j_g2OXyGy8LWa_600x450.jpg

sweetbmxrider

11-15-2018, 04:33 PM

Its gone :-?

BonzoHansen

11-15-2018, 05:00 PM

It seemed really cheap just based on above info

Blackbirdws6

11-15-2018, 05:23 PM

I bought it.

BonzoHansen

11-15-2018, 05:24 PM

I bought it.

Lies!

qwikz28

11-16-2018, 07:21 AM

I saw the listing before it was taken down. Seems like a roll bar was welded in and the car was set up for drag racing. Probably too much work to make into what I am looking for anyway.

The car on eBay was exactly what I was looking for but the Seller just wasn't answering my emails and I just can't afford to leave my wife home alone with my daughter for a couple days while I fly out since my daughter is still less than a year old. Hopefully something similar will roll around closer to home. I'm keeping my eyes peeled because my wife is completely on board with this now that our student loans and my Cadillac are both paid off.

KevinW

11-16-2018, 11:44 AM

?? Ad is still up on craigslist :) Cutting a rollbar off a car just takes a sawzall and a 4" grinder, easy peezy, would take about an hour, then a trip to the scrap metal place and make some $$ :D

The 4:11 rear could be sold off too

KevinW

11-16-2018, 11:53 AM

How do you like the color blue? :) $23,450 (overpriced I think) New Milford Conn.

https://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/d/69-camaro/6726533480.html

https://images.craigslist.org/01111_hOshDFfysQF_1200x900.jpg

qwikz28

11-21-2018, 11:09 AM

Still very stuck on the color Silver, because painting door jams and the like will probably put me way over budget.

This one looks promising for the price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro/223220576480?hash=item33f8fbb0e0:g:z0kAAOSwIBpb4h1 X:rk:1:pf:0&vxp=mtr

The paint is a nice driver quality...

That means the paint is crummy, right?

BonzoHansen

11-21-2018, 12:07 PM

Not necessarily. It might mean there's swirl marks in it, there's a chip here or there in it. but it's a good 20 footer or a good 10 footer that looks great a cruise night but isn't it a go out and win you best of show anywhere. could be the difference between an $8000 paint job and a $28000 are paint job.

If you plan on driving it a lot the $28000 paint job makes it hard to go out driving a lot.

At quick glance this car maybe worth a flight to Texas and back. Looks like it might check a lot of your boxes. Although I wait to hear from Kevin on value I feel that's borderline

KevinW

11-21-2018, 01:18 PM

OK, silver it is! So this car is from a dealer, so you will pay more for less, always! :D

Here is the dealer page for this car http://accelautogroup.com/vehicle-details/?cid=463

Vin is VIN: 123379N708138, the 3 in the 3rd position means it started out life as a 6 cyl. Which is fine if you are paying "clone" prices.

It has a 454 with a th350 (SB trans weaker then the factory TH400).

Driver quality paint means it looks fine from a distance, but when you get up close, you can see flaws like orange peel, drips, dullness, poor under surface prep, etc.

Horn, radio and heater, no workee! :)

Wipers: Yes
Horn: No
Brakelights: Yes
Radio: No
Seatbelts: Yes
Heater: No
Air Condition: No

Poor fit & finish around the grill and hood.
Headlight bucket wrong (headlight is 45 deg sideways)
Stiff trunk seal causing trunk to raise up
Original mono leaf 10 bolt rear looks to be there
subframe connectors

Lots of little things poorly done, just throws up red flags for me. If they don't fix the little things, how good are the big things done?

Lipstick on a pig here IMO. Not if it was in the low to mid 20s, then you can overlook a lot of issues, but mid 30s, nah

sweetbmxrider

11-21-2018, 05:25 PM

Dropping 30k and afraid of door jambs? I dono sir

B4C

12-11-2018, 05:05 PM

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-camaro-convertible/6757753011.html

IROCZman15

12-31-2018, 01:18 PM

I saw this one for sale just yesterday while driving through Royersford PA

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7866/32671295478_b8bb25fba4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RM3VTU)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/RM3VTU) by David Martin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/123927173@N02/), on Flickr

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https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4848/46544424761_7bca273f8c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dUYkU6)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2dUYkU6) by David Martin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/123927173@N02/), on Flickr

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Blackbirdws6

12-31-2018, 04:23 PM

https://i.redd.it/ha9k8sklnrx11.jpg

qwikz28

12-31-2018, 05:45 PM

Actually, I found this the other day: https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/pomona-1969-camaro/6783724780.html

Needs an entire interior because the red is too... red. The exterior would need to be stripped and painted as well, but it's literally one town over. I've been a little tied up with the holidays and the thirteen trips to the dealership to lock in the new car, but I'm going to go check this out immediately.

It's going to need to be cheap to work though. I don't have it in me anymore to turn wrenches for days on end, so the car is going to need to be stripped down and reassembled by a shop, so it will still need to make sense over just being patient and finding a good, complete silver car.