First the opti now the trans blows. Grr

[wrong generation]

Last week the car died turned out my opti-spark took a crap. Well i just blew the transmission fml.

[Blackbirdws6]

That sucks. Were you beating on it when it went? Are you sure it's done?

[wrong generation]

Wasn't beating on it. Being its the daily driver im actually kinda nice to the car. I drove to brick no problem but when i went to leave all the sudden it wouldn't shift into 3rd gear as i was entering the parkway. Pretty sure its fried.

[Jersey Mike]

I would want until December before even looking at that car again. Apparently November just isn't your month.

[LS1ow]

Stick or an Auto?

[wrong generation]

I would want until December before even looking at that car again. Apparently November just isn't your month.

lmao its my only car. and i need it back on the road before 7am. if i could find another trans right now id be out in the street swapping it.

Stick or an Auto?

auto.

[LS1ow]

check north jersey craigslist. When i was looking for a 4L60e for my car there was a handfull of LT1 ones for sale for decent price.


Have you tried to shift it manually ? Any difference between D and OD ?

[wrong generation]

check north jersey craigslist. When i was looking for a 4L60e for my car there was a handfull of LT1 ones for sale for decent price.


Have you tried to shift it manually ? Any difference between D and OD ?

i drove the car home having it in 2nd gear at one point i tried to shift into D but nothing was there lol.

problem with finding a trans in north jersey thats a long ass walk.

can i use any lt1 4l60e or does it have to be from an obd2 fbody ? i still can't believe this.


here is the screwy thing, my dad's 04 avalanche is in the trans shop right now getting the trans in that rebuilt as he lost the 3-4 clutch pack last week. and the week before that the transmission in my sisters car went. both of those were worth the cost of a trans rebuild. but i can't see spending that kind of $ for a 20 year old fbody with no resale value.

[LS1ow]

i drove the car home having it in 2nd gear at one point i tried to shift into D but nothing was there lol.

problem with finding a trans in north jersey thats a long ass walk.

can i use any lt1 4l60e or does it have to be from an obd2 fbody ? i still can't believe this.


here is the screwy thing, my dad's 04 avalanche is in the trans shop right now getting the trans in that rebuilt as he lost the 3-4 clutch pack last week. and the week before that the transmission in my sisters car went. both of those were worth the cost of a trans rebuild. but i can't see spending that kind of $ for a 20 year old fbody with no resale value.


How long is your commute ? Can you get away with second gear?

Im 95% any LT1 60e will work. Ive blown up 2 4L60e trans (so far, check again next year) and 1 was the 3-4 pack being smoked, 1 was sheering the tailshaft off.

And your right, for the money a trans rebuild will cost you may be able to buy an entire parts car.

Best bet is find one on craigs or check facebook forsale pages. Theyll run you under 500 bucks. ive seen them as low as 200. And if need be contract one of your buddys to take the ride to get it

[LS1ow]

i stand corrected, get ready to read

None of the '93 -'97 4L60E's are directly interchangeable, except '93 and '94!!! Here's a list of yearly differences that will show you why. Yes, some years will fit in others and may not even throw a code, but there will be an issue in the long run. The big issues become forced 3-2 downshifts, and converter lock up issues and burnt lock up clutches. When a converter cluych cause it to lose lock up, the 3-4 clutches, in the transmission will soon follow because the 3-4's need lock up to keep them cool while cruising in overdrive.

1993: These were used in trucks only. Not available in F-Bodies

1994: Interchangeable with '93 4L60E with no modifications. The '93-'94 is a NON PWM transmission. This means that the lock up apply strategy is an on /off arrangement. It has an 11 pin case connector. Does not have PWM cast into front pump. 1 piece TCC control valve in the valve body. Plate has holes in plate, marked in diagram below. 1st design 3-2 valve

1995: Will not interchange with any other year. An extra solenoid was added to the valve body to control the pulsed lock up strategy of the conerter clutch. It has a 12 pin case connector, extra wire in the transmission to computer harness and different computer to control the new PWM circuit. Has PWM cast in front pump. Front pump internal passages different to match new TCC strategy. 2 piece TCC control valve in valve body. Has holes in plate, marked in diagram below. 1st design 3-2 valve. 12 pin case connector. '94 computer won't recognise new TCC strategy., and will burn lock-up clutch and 3-4 clutches up. '96 computer isn't compatible with '96 3-2 control solenoid.

1996: The 3-2 downshift strategy was changed to an on /off arrangement. The TCC control solenoid was changed to a 20-31 OHM solenoid, from the previous 10-15 OHM solenoid. The 3-2 control valve was changed to the second design valve. The easiest way to identify the valve is, the second design valve will fall out as soon as the solenoid is removed. The first design has a plug and retaining clip. TCC solenoid remains 10-15 OHMs, which is the same as the '95 arrangement. Has PWM stamped cast in pump. pump is the same as '95. Will not interchange with '95 unless changing 3-2 solenoid, valvebody casting, and seperator plate. Has holes in plate marked in diagram. '94 or '95 computer will not accept the 20-31 OHM 3-2 solenoid and will throw an SES light and throw the transmission into limp mode. Some less knowledgeable builders will swap the solenoid so the computer will see the correct resistance, but the valve itself then causes downshift issues. If only the solenoid is changed, it will result in a 3-2 downshift cut loose. In other words...3-neutral-2 downshift. Speedo moved to passenger side of tail housing, but easily changed.

1997: Basically the same as '96.

[ThoR294]

Lt1 auto trans are not interchangeable for the most part. As ls1ow said. What do you mean "nothing there"? Does it shift from 1st to 2nd?

[sweetbmxrider]

He lost the 3-4 clutch pack. And yes, the 4l60e is very dependent on application.

[LS1ow]

come up with anything last night ?

[wrong generation]

How long is your commute ? Can you get away with second gear?

my commute isn't what im worried about. i work a mile an a half from work. so ya i could do it in 2nd gear lol. but my girl is 15-20 miles from work. its me getting her to and from work that im worried about.

come up with anything last night ?

nope. well sorta. still weighing my options. there might be a trans in a millville junkyard for $300 granted thats still 50 miles south of me. im also kinda thinking of going and knocking on the door of a guy who use to be a regular customer. who use to rebuild chevy transmissions for a living lol. and seeing if i can convince him to rebuild it for a case of beer.

my parents are of the opinion i shouldn't put any more time effort or cash into this car. they are right now being the devil on my shoulder. my mom is telling me i should go and buy that brand new 2017 zl1 camaro on the lot near her job and my dad is telling me its the perfect time to finally buy the classic 1960s car iv always wanted.

[LS1ow]

I really dont see the debate on what to do if buying a 6G ZL1 is an option

[ThoR294]

If you only have 1 car... 6g zl1 then.

[sweetbmxrider]

Wtf

[BonzoHansen]

Lol how do we go from $1000 beater to $65000 new car lol

[Blackbirdws6]

16 Z06s are HEAVILY discounted these days. Just throwing it out there :).

[wrong generation]

lmfao. my mom has no clue what a zl1 costs. she just mentioned that there is this blue camaro on a lot. near her job said it had a zl1 badge. she thinks i should buy a brand new car. trust me a zl1 isnt a valid option.

[JL8Jeff]

I think the 96 SS I used to own had a 4L60E from an S10 Blazer in it. The bellhousing flange was different and caused some issues when I tried to install some longtube headers. Nothing a hacksaw blade couldn't take care of though. So some of the 2wd trucks and suv's might be interchangeable.

[zraffz]

Wtf

:rofl:

[wrong generation]

i wish i could just drop this car off at a trans shop like the other two and have some one else deal with it but thats just not a realistic option. so looks like ill be climbing under it today to remove the transmission. and going the junkyard route. to bad i can't just find another car for the price i paid for this one lol.

any tips or anything for removing the trans from a 4th gen ? grr i soo don't have any desire to lay on the street and do a trans swap.

[deadtrend1]

any tips or anything for removing the trans from a 4th gen ? grr i soo don't have any desire to lay on the street and do a trans swap.

Gotta get the car high enough to get the trans out from under it, so it really sucks without a lift. Swivel sockets and lots of extensions for the upper bellhousing bolts. I use a old slip yoke as a trans plug.

[ThoR294]

Long impact extension. It's not that hard I've done it 3 times in stones

[wrong generation]

If anyone is wondering. I ended up having a shop install the transmission for me. I was looking at paying this one junkyard $550 for a trans and doing the work my self. Then last minute found another junkyard that had one for $300 and said for another $300 they would install it. Being the $50 difference my dad talked me into letting them install it.

That being said the car was fine for a little over a week. Then last Sunday i heard what sounded like my exhaust rattling. Yesterday i finally had time to climb under the car. To my suprise the exhaust was fine. Started the car climbed back under and realized the sound was coming from my bellhousing. Took the car to the place that did the trans. When they removed the cover. They found a peace of my starter broken off inside it. Told me thThat they never removed the starter when doing the transmission and that it wasn't their issue that it broke.

This damn car just wants to bleed me dry latly. A starter is $150 lol. Sooo any advice on installing a starter in this freezing cold weather?

[sweetbmxrider]

Corvette starter, gear reduction. Cool noises. Other then that, its a sbc starter. 2 bolts and 2 wires and huzzah

[wrong generation]

Corvette starter, gear reduction. Cool noises. Other then that, its a sbc starter. 2 bolts and 2 wires and huzzah

Whats diff between the corvette and fbody starter? Any advice for removing or installing with out removing the ypipe?

[Jersey Mike]

Sooo any advice on installing a starter in this freezing cold weather?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Aav_FctJsYM/maxresdefault.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

Whats diff between the corvette and fbody starter? Any advice for removing or installing with out removing the ypipe?

Gear reduction. Smash has a thread on here. Google as well. The stock y is an issue? Should clear with a little effort.

[FlyingDutchman]

Gear reduction. Smash has a thread on here. Google as well. The stock y is an issue? Should clear with a little effort.

Like Adam said, get one for a 1996 Corvette Grand Sport, it's a bit more compact and puts out more torque. Fbody is larger, heavier and last time I looked cost more.

Vette Starter P/N 17124 (duralast) $121 + shipping
Fbody Starter P/N DL9989S (duralast) $140 + shipping

They have acdelco also for like 15-25$ more. I've had no issues with my autozone vette Starter though.

It will take you longer to jack the car up than to change the starter. A shop will charge $250-350 easily.

[wrong generation]

Why doesn't any one stock the vette starter? Need to do this today. Lol

[DirtyBird]

Advancec auto in lakewood on new hanpshire ave had 1 in stock a while ago. Still may since i doubt anyone needed one haha

[wrong generation]

The advance in toms river has one.

By looking at the pictures of the vette starter. My broken starter should be fine. But i guess they are built different?

So do i just pull the trans cover off and pull the starter thru there or ??

[BonzoHansen]

pull cover off? the starter isn't bolted to the block in front of the trans like any other SBC?

My truck and my 77 both have that GM gear reduction type of starter, they bolted up like any other starter.

[FlyingDutchman]

The advance in toms river has one.

By looking at the pictures of the vette starter. My broken starter should be fine. But i guess they are built different?

So do i just pull the trans cover off and pull the starter thru there or ??

Nope. Undo two bolts going up into the block and slide starter back. Lower down and undo the power and signal wires or disconnect wires first if you can. Don't forget to disconnect the battery first!

[wrong generation]

Nope. Undo two bolts going up into the block and slide starter back. Lower down and undo the power and signal wires or disconnect wires first if you can. Don't forget to disconnect the battery first!

Lmao i know to do that but your reply assumes there isnt a car on the way. These in's would be great if it was on an engine stand.

[sweetbmxrider]

Lmao i know to do that but your reply assumes there isnt a car on the way. These in's would be great if it was on an engine stand.

Do you not have a stock setup or something? The starter is next to the oil pan, the exhaust is next to the starter. It'll clear without issue. I think you are overthinking this. Not only would it not fit through the opening to the trans, there is a flexplate in the way :-?

[LTb1ow]

Shorties with a aftermarket Y pipe will be a struggle to clear the LT4 starter.

Either way its prob one of the easiest things to replace on the underside of the car.

[wrong generation]

Ok you guys were right was deff over thinkng it. But between the freezing cold weather and going thru a screwy breakup. Iv been over thinking alot lately. Anyways the noise the vette starter makes is gona take alot of getting use to. Lol

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol:

[greenformula92]

Well I'm a little late to the show on this one haha. Glad she's running again. How the hell did we get to a ZL1? Hahaha.