Camaro Plans

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Trying to be a stage the money in the car, but want to make some changes. Looking for feedback here on both what to do and the order you would do them, recognizing this is over the course of probably 5-6 years.

Backstory: I plan on keeping the car since 1) it's paid for and 2) everyone regrets selling their "first car" or a vehicle that's been in the family for nearly 20 years. It's not worth that much on paper with 81k miles, nor is it a 1 of 3, 1 owner car. I love it as a cruiser and for trips down the shore, along with the spirited backcountry jaunt. For this purpose, the car is perfect with just the boredom that comes with no major changes over that timespan. My biggest gripe if it can be considered one, is that it's become less exciting to drive, especially after daily-driving a stick Colorado for years.

#1-2 are happening this year:

1) Repaint nose of car (at least). Rest of the car is clean - not perfect but clean. Also would do !front plate at this point.
2) replace/paint misc. interior pieces that are cracked or don't look pretty enough.
3) BLS light mod

#3+ are happening in the future and are listed in no particular order:

3) Change wheels. I want 17s or 18s, although I love how the 16" chrome trans am wheels look, after 15 years I want a changeup. Always liked WS6 wheels and ZR1s, but not tied to any OEM. Yes, everyone loves Fikse but I'm not spending that kind of cash on wheels for this car unless I become independently wealthy.
4) Suspension - drop 1-1.5", probobably do koni/stranos. AFAIK, everything is circa 1995, or at least 2000. I don't want to go crazy low despite the amazing looks, since I don't want any problems and my driveway is fairly steep.
5) Trans Swap - I think it's slipping under WOT on the shifts a tad. Not a major problem yet, but may as well spend it on a T56.
6) Headers - I don't know what other engine mods will be forthcoming down the road, but likely nothing crazy. My manifolds are ugly, rusty, and swapping would obviously make for ease of maintenance down the road.
Open to other suggestions not saying I'll do them :lol: from "while you're theres" to prettying up things.

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[WildBillyT]

I'd make the T56 swap a priority, to be honest. There's got to be some people on here or that you know that have parts for a reasonable price. Will really change the attitude of the car.

[Blackbirdws6]

+1 on trans swap for the biggest "attitude" change.

During that time, likely best to do headers since you will have a number of parts out of the way.

As for wheels, getting a good set of 17" wheels these days is not hard if you wait for the right set. 18" wheels are nice but the tires are significantly more expensive. ZR1s stripped and powdercoated a nice color would be a good upgrade. Best to consider grouping wheels/tires with suspension upgrades to see the biggest impact.

I didn't see subframe connectors on the list. They are a must for a vert IMO so I'd do that sooner than later unless you already have them.

I also didn't see audio upgrades on the list. I don't know how much you enjoy listening to music but there are many nice options that are easy to install.

[sweetbmxrider]

ls1/t56 swap :nod:

Headers means motor mounts

[ThoR294]

ls1 swap isn't worth it. if you're gonna do a full engine swap, do an LQ engine or something better ;)

t56 makes the car 100x more enjoyable when its in stockish power. Also, 17" chrome WS6 wheels are way better than 16s. I do like the C5Z wheels on camaros too.

First though I'd ditch those silly headlight covers and do BLS lights.

[unstable bob gable]

I've become a fan of factory wheels, especially if you can fit big fat tyres on them. And a T56 would be a perfect addition to make it a Highway Star.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Actually kinda surprised that everyone agreed T56 first. That was my thinking - or suspension.

ls1 swap isn't worth it. if you're gonna do a full engine swap, do an LQ engine or something better ;)

t56 makes the car 100x more enjoyable when its in stockish power. Also, 17" chrome WS6 wheels are way better than 16s. I do like the C5Z wheels on camaros too.

First though I'd ditch those silly headlight covers and do BLS lights.

Engine swap is not in the cards, sir. Headlights are already on BLS's to do list - done deal.

+1 on trans swap for the biggest "attitude" change.

During that time, likely best to do headers since you will have a number of parts out of the way.

As for wheels, getting a good set of 17" wheels these days is not hard if you wait for the right set. 18" wheels are nice but the tires are significantly more expensive. ZR1s stripped and powdercoated a nice color would be a good upgrade. Best to consider grouping wheels/tires with suspension upgrades to see the biggest impact.

I didn't see subframe connectors on the list. They are a must for a vert IMO so I'd do that sooner than later unless you already have them.

I also didn't see audio upgrades on the list. I don't know how much you enjoy listening to music but there are many nice options that are easy to install.

I obviously have the time to wait for the right set :wink:. I really like chrome on the car, and wouldn't be sure which color to powdercoat.

I already have UMI 3 pt weld in SFCs so I'm covered. Did that a few years back. I agree should be the first thing done to any of these cars, now that it's done.

It has an older, but upgraded headunit, speakers, and 10"x15" amp in the trunk. To be honest, outside of highway drives I don't really have the radio on. Benefits of living in no man's land :nod:

[ThoR294]

Actually kinda surprised that everyone agreed T56 first. That was my thinking - or suspension.


lol. no one likes a slow slush box. if it is a manual it is way more fun.

Engine swap is not in the cards, sir. Headlights are already on BLS's to do list - done deal.


I figured, just putting it out there. and I mean put them to #1 on the list ;)

[ar0ck]

Man, you need to stop by my parents and take some parts, I have T56 pedals, tubular LCA's, headers & y-pipe & probably some other parts laying around. What about swapping out the front and side signals to a smoked set?

[qwikz28]

ls1 swap isn't worth it.

Why is this man not banned yet?

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ThoR294]

Because the LQ is a better option?

[LS1ow]

Just cut to the chase and live your dream.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/attachments/c3-general/47593185d1148395666-since-they-make-amphibious-camaros-how-about-an-amphibious-corvette-amphibious-camaro.jpg

[wretched73]

Because the LQ is a better option?

PERMA BAN

Alum block or bust if doing an LSX swap with no boost

[ThoR294]

Just cut to the chase and live your dream.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

PERMA BAN

Alum block or bust if doing an LSX swap with no boost

LQ can do pretty gud N/A. I just like the ability to boost with stock internals. :nod:

It's fun watching the junkyard builds, but eh. all depends on yer wallet

[IROCZman15]

cool plans nick. good that you have SFCs. I agree that you could change the look/feel/fun of the car with a 1" drop and some struts/shocks. you might not have the $ for a whole bunch of adjustbale/tubular suspension parts, but with the age of the bushings on the car, might be worth looking into non adjustable basic tube parts with greasable bushings. with a 1" rear drop, you proooobably wont need to re-center the rear so you probably dont need an adjustable panhard bar.

t56 swa would be cool. unsure of how much that could cost though.

[Jersey Mike]

T56 will be your most drastic difference-maker. If you're starting to get bored of the car, then you should do that swap next.

Cost ceiling is in your own control (based on what components you decide to purchase), but figure 2k will get you in the door.


Trans > headers > suspension > wheels. That's how I think you should order them

[qwikz28]

Just cut to the chase and live your dream.

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OMG HAHAHAHAHA.

Post of the year right here.

[ThoR294]

https://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1899861-lt1-t56-transmission.html

there you go! and local(ish)

[sweetbmxrider]

I'd honestly weigh out the investments here and consider another car that is stick and/or lightly modded already. Just to get a perspective with the dollar expense in mind.

[ThoR294]

I'd honestly weigh out the investments here and consider another car that is stick and/or lightly modded already. Just to get a perspective with the dollar expense in mind.

I plan on keeping the car since 1) it's paid for and 2) everyone regrets selling their "first car" or a vehicle that's been in the family for nearly 20 years.

$$$ no object here brah! unless the car gets totaled or something.

[sweetbmxrider]

$$$ no object here brah! unless the car gets totaled or something.

Money no object? Buy a new car :nod:

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/camaro-28-convertible-1997/6580833040.html

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-camaro-z28-convertible/6608475456.html

[TaKid455]

Agree with others in the T56 will change the car's personality. Do the SFCs & headers while you are at it.

Cost wise, it'll be about the same as buying one already equipped for new stuff. Sourcing 2nd hand parts would be your best economical bet if they are not trashed. I would have the trans gone through and updated if going second hand. The ECU wiring will / may need to be repined for the trans. It does on the LS (411) ecus. No a big ordeal if you have the parts and tools.

If you need assistance, I may know a guy.

[ThoR294]

Money no object? Buy a new car :nod:

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/camaro-28-convertible-1997/6580833040.html

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-camaro-z28-convertible/6608475456.html

I 100% agree way easier than swapping a transmission haha but hes attached!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I've been toying with the idea of the 6 spd swap for a while since like Adam said you can buy a whole new car.
Buying a 15-20 year old car is a gamble. I know the history of this car an exactly the condition it's in. That's worth something vs. trading it for a different 20 year old car of mystery happenings. Considering my multitude of hobbies + a house I don't have the budget for an uber clean one or a new one.

The suspension is maintenance at this point in my eyes, so it really comes down to is that piece of mind worth it to trans swap. If I don't trans swap it, I'm selling it for something else. That's why I was shopping for opinions.

Aside from any sentimental value.

[The_Bishop]

A trans swap makes for a more fun ride, but it's a bit of a challenge getting all the parts together. Could always move forward with other plans, and do a torque converter/shift kit if the transmission is shifting fine.

[LTb1ow]

Don't lower it.

Just ditch the god awful stock wheels and fat tire look.

[ThoR294]

Don't lower it.

Just ditch the god awful stock wheels and fat tire look.

New suspension made the whole car handle so much better and killed that gap in the back. Lowering ftw just nothing over 1.2"

[unstable bob gable]

Don't lower it.

Just ditch the god awful stock wheels and fat tire look.

What's wrong with fat tyres?

[ThoR294]

What's wrong with fat tyres?

im guessing he means get 17s lol maybe "fat" sidewall

[unstable bob gable]

im guessing he means get 17s lol maybe "fat" sidewall

Needs 315s on da back

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Don't lower it.

Just ditch the god awful stock wheels and fat tire look.

Not going stupid low. 1". Look better with no major issues. Dropped looks great but I'm not dealing with those problems. Wheels were/are on the list.

A trans swap makes for a more fun ride, but it's a bit of a challenge getting all the parts together. Could always move forward with other plans, and do a torque converter/shift kit if the transmission is shifting fine.

I have no intention of doing a TC, and it already has a shift kit.

[Jersey Mike]

I have no intention of doing a TC

Is this because you intend to go T56 soon, or did your ex leave you for a torque converter? confused.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Is this because you intend to go T56 soon, or did your ex leave you for a torque converter? confused.

:rofl: Because I'm not spending any money on the 4l60e. Either I'm trans swapping the car, selling it or having some sort of come to jesus moment that would change my mind.

I have no desire to drive automatics any more than I have to. I'm looking to get a stick midsize 2wd worktruck when I eventually replace mine. I'd only driven stick periodically but after my Colorado I legitimately enjoyed driving it and it was slow as a dog. I'm not a drag racer so I have no need for an auto.

[V]

IMO, find a car with a t56 already as a donor. like one with body damage or a crappy motor. Take the parts you need, sell of the rest. That's the cheapest way to get a t56 and all the needed parts.

[LTb1ow]

$1300
http://www.ltxtech.com/forums/showthread.php?31504-T56-w-bellhousing

[TaKid455]

^ Grab this Nick. Great deal!

[WildBillyT]

^ Grab this Nick. Great deal!

Yes. Nick, do this.

[qwikz28]

Yikes, Rochester.

[LTb1ow]

James Short is a OG of the 4th gen crowd though

[ThoR294]

$1300
http://www.ltxtech.com/forums/showthread.php?31504-T56-w-bellhousing

https://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1899861-lt1-t56-transmission.html

there you go! and local(ish)

two of em available GOGOGOGO

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

James Short is a OG of the 4th gen crowd though

In what way? Sounds ominous.

[Blackbirdws6]

In what way? Sounds ominous.

He's has been in the game a long time. Many fbodies, builds, shattered dreams, etc and tons of parts sold.

[sweetbmxrider]

Eh, its not a complete swap so its a meh price. Doesn't even come with clutch/flywheel.

I did buy my 4 bolt lt1 block from him for my 385 with no issues or complaints. Good dude.

[unstable bob gable]

Needs 315s on the back.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Update:

!frontplate
Front bumper repainted

Still need ideas on what wheels to get. My tires are pretty old despite a lack of UV damage and use, so this may be sooner than anticipated. Not locked into OEM wheels. 17" is my first preference but would do 18 if a great deal came along in something that looked good.

Also thoughts on smoked vs clear corners/markers?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-2002-Chevy-Camaro-Front-Rear-Bumper-Parking-Signal-Lights-Clear-Side-Marker/301349225562?fits=Year%3A1995%7CModel%3ACamaro&epid=1640083730&hash=item4629d0445a%3Ag%3AETMAAOSwMYxaAqpZ&_sacat=0&_nkw=95+camaro+side+marker+lights&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313

[qwikz28]

I have something for you in my trunk

[ThoR294]

c5z06 reps look perfect on the camaros

[LTb1ow]

camaro wheels look perfect on the camaros

Agreed

[ThoR294]

17" ws6 wheels look perfect on the camaros


Agreed

Agreed!