Am I The Only One

[bencar]

:soapbox: Just wondering if I'm the only one who feels this way about a couple of things.

1. I've about had it with the 'Discovery Channel', and all their so-called 'car enthusiast' oriented programs. I'm waiting for the 'car rust' program next, and betting that I still won't see a car that resembles anything most regular folks, on a limited budget, could actually put together. I mean, come on guys, are the rest of us really that boring, that you couldn't try to put on a program that features something, or someone, I can actually relate to?

2. Has anyone also noticed the explosion of 60's-70's 'Muscle Car' magazines that has been going on for a while now? Much like the 'Discovery Channel' though, all these mags seem to only want to focus on stuff that most of us couldn't afford to build, let alone own, unless we hit it big in several lotteries. Just once I'd like to see a feature article in any one of those mags, that shows a car that looks like some of the ones my friends and I own. Heck, I'd settle for seeing a car in one of those mags that looked like one of the nice, but less than perfect cars, I've seen at the numerous 'Car Shows' and 'Cruise Nights' I've attended over the last 26 years.

[NJSPEEDER]

wow, you just said what i think every time i see boyd coddingtons fat ass barking orders at people who coudl fabricate circles around him in their sleep.
i jstu hate the way that they create this big buck image of teh hobby, it almost serves to scare away potential do-it-yerselfers. maybe we shoudl start our own show, we will even go uber low budget and put it on public access. we will show how a few people who are reasonably brite and willing to try can accomplish tons of cool stuff with a wrench set from sears and a set of jack stands.

later
tim

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

hey guys go out and buy a copy of "ol Skool Rodz" they feature how tos and articles of hot rods and bikes that we the people build on a limited budget i know the guys that put it together and i can tell you its a totally different mag than everything else out there

[bencar]

wow, you just said what i think every time i see boyd coddingtons fat ass barking orders at people who coudl fabricate circles around him in their sleep.
i jstu hate the way that they create this big buck image of teh hobby, it almost serves to scare away potential do-it-yerselfers. maybe we shoudl start our own show, we will even go uber low budget and put it on public access. we will show how a few people who are reasonably brite and willing to try can accomplish tons of cool stuff with a wrench set from sears and a set of jack stands.

later
tim
One of the guys and I from the 'Slant-Six' club I run, are doing something a bit like that on converting from points to Electronic Ignition. Mind you, we're only doing a Computerized 'Slide Show' of photos I've captioned, with a brief narrative, but it's definitely geared more toward the average person, and truly low buck upgrade, than those overblown Boyd Coddington productions, or any of the $5,000.00 'Budget Build-Ups' the mags like to promote as affordable
I suppose a 'local access' program would be a start, but the question is, who is knowledgeable enough to put something credible together, featuring our genre of cars, as opposed to the high buck stuff seen on the 'Discovery Channel' stuff.
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[The Fixer]

i jstu hate the way that they create this big buck image of teh hobby, it almost serves to scare away potential do-it-yerselfers. maybe we shoudl start our own show, we will even go uber low budget and put it on public access. we will show how a few people who are reasonably brite and willing to try can accomplish tons of cool stuff with a wrench set from sears and a set of jack stands.


I'm with you guys! I'm all about hot-rodding on a budget. I have to be, with a mortgage and a baby. My car isn't the quickest or best-looking ride on the planet, but my friend Jim and I built the whole damn thing, and I know it inside and out. Tim saw my '88 SS at the track on Saturday. The whole car was put together in my driveway, on jackstands and without air tools; engine install, wiring, fuel lines, 5-speed conversion, complete front suspension overhaul (front and rear), exhaust, the works. If one of those $100K showcars broke down, the owners wouldn't have the first clue how to fix it. The only thing they know is how to drive it on and off their silly trailers. :roll:

[foff667]

the only show i actually like is the OCC show and the biker buildoffs...i dont even like bikes but just like watching the fabrication and seeing how these guys think and then create this stuff. As far as the biker buildoffs I like it when the low budget ghetto shops win while the high dollar off the shelf designer bikes loose :)

[NJSPEEDER]

i am even getting tired of the OCC stuff. they dont' even make their own frames. every bike is the same exact frame with different stuff hanging off it.
the build off shows are cool, even if they are high budget those guys can make style from scratch.

later
tim

[bencar]

I'll give the O.C.C. guys their due, their show is one of the few I actually like, and for the same reason, they show real creativity. That said, I still feel that there isn't one show on that Channel that showcases the kind of stuff I have, or for that matter, the kind of stuff anyone I know has

[jims69camaro]

the impersonator series was fairly affordable. certainly not 5k.

i get the point, but i still like to watch the shows for their entertainment value. i know i'll most likely never have the rolling bucks needed for one of those cars, so it's pure fantasy for me. it's all about the ratings.

and most of those shows get the parts donated for special "promotional coverage" of the names of the companies donating said products. if you could get some of those companies interested in a grassroots effort, i am sure you could come close to putting a whole car together for less than 10k - that's about as low budget as you can get. i am sure most of us, without thinking about it or referring back to our shoebox full of receipts, have spent that much (price of car included).

[BigAls87Z28]

Like Jim said, I think its for pure entertainment value. A lot of car rags get letters like this about how people shoud do more low buck stuff. Putting on these high dollar parts is for pure entertainment value. I would love to make a roadster with a supercharged small block, and I plan on doing it with my little brother so when he finaly gets his "freedom" in 9 years, he will have an awesome ride to drive to school. 8)

If you wanted to watch a good show, you should watch Chop, Cut, Rebuild. The show was about these 3 cars, The Supervan, a 1970 Chevelle, and a 1990 Ranger. They also had a few other cars on there like a super-WRX, and a older Suburban. The Supervan was restored back to its original look back inthe 70's, the Chevelle was turned into an awesome g-machine, and the Ranger was turned into a show truck. To watch them put these cars together was great, even if the show itself was very boring. They delt with the rust and problems that happens when you do a build up.

[bencar]

I think NJ Speeder still has the right idea, that maybe we start our own 'Car Themed' show, but I'd modify his idea, in that I'd like to know if anyone in this group has the skills necessary to produce a decent looking show, and if they do, then get it on regular Cable, not some rinky dink 'Public Access Channel.' Yeah, those other show are all about fantasy, but they hurt the hobby more than help it, by convincing everyone in 'John Q Public' land that we car hobbyists are all stinking rich, can afford whatever we want, and are an excellent source of cash when the Federal, State, and local governments need money. We could use something that shows the other face of our hobby, and in the process, cars we can relate to, not too mention something that shows just how hard some of us struggle to get and keep what little we have.

[jims69camaro]

can you smell this? it's an idea brewing...

isn't someone from one of the sites in television production on some level? if it goes down, i want the lead role. i can do an awesome imitation of boyd coddington (i'd have to grow my breard and dye it like his, though). i can do an impression of paul sr., and the boys in the editting room can have fun bleeping out the seven words you can't say on tv. plus, i can throw things great distances so they break and i even look a little like him. i could groom the facial hair a bit to get his fu manchu that grows down his throat, and i have enough gray to not have to fool with the color at all... i could even do a passable chip foose - just stand around looking goofy and spouting lame "second-grader jokes" all of the time (i don't have his mad pencil skills, though). i actually have much more character than all three of those esteemed tv personalities... this show is a guaranteed hit.

or, we could pull a michael moore and just drop in on certain shops in the area, asking them embarassing questions about their failures...

ok, back to reality. i think it's an awesome idea, one i could get behind completely.

[bencar]

Hey, you ought to see me in action when I'm working on my car. According to the Wife, an unfed Paranha is more friendly than I am when things aren't quite working the way they should. Imagine, your throwing skills, and my head removing temper, man, what a hit :)!
Seriously though, I'm obviously with you on this idea, the question still remains though-Do we have someone among this group with the production skills to make this idea a reality?

[foff667]

i do a darn good jesse james impersonation and Im the man when it comes to rita's runs :lol: i might even turn a wrench if need be, or at least try hehe.

[ar0ck]

One big thing that bugs me is especially shows on Spike like Trucks & Horsepower TV. Trucks tends to be alot more informative, but everything they use is brand spanking new, top of the barrel products. It bugs me, because average joe-blow doesnt have those kind of tules laying around in the garage waiting to be borrowed :x As well as the new performance parts. That one show Hot Rod television, was pretty informative I think, as well as two guys garage, but some of the things they use to show off the cool things are ungodly nice.

[79dizZy28]

That one show Hot Rod television, was pretty informative I think,
Popular hot rodding television is probably one of the most informative shows as to how things work. I suggest it to all my friends who wanna start learnin about cars. 8)

[twiztidz28]

this is a good idea and could sprout into something, maybe not a big something but a something none the less. When it comes to production and editing the important thing is a lot of footage and i would say at elast 3 cameras. cause you dont want to miss a thing. Given the right tools i could fabricate almost anything, the problem is not havign the tools since they are really pricey. I could do body work and paint. im not good artistically like with airbrush but i could map out flames stripes and differnt grafix but you give me an air brush im in trouble if you want major detail. the artsy side of my brain never functioned but the creative part must have took over that spot also.

it just sucks that i sit at a desk all day and dont have a job where i can put my talents to use. I will be painting my car this winter and also my moms boyfriends suburban and doing all the body work and interior restoration on it this winter also.

But going back to production at first we probably will not have to pay for cost of production cause im sure people will be willing to help out the only money that will be needed are some high quality cameras and a lot of batteries. the key to a show like that is no retakes nothing can be scripted. i think that is the hardest part of those kind of shows. problems are going to happen things are going to get broken, misplaced, lost you name it we film it. if we are serious about this i know a vp at the IFC chanell. Its a close friends of mine wife. they just dont do movies and they have other chanells that they are assoicated with and there is a connection right there.

[BigAls87Z28]

PHR TV was a great show, and it sucks that TNN/Spike pulled it off the air. I usualy try and put it on at work so people know whats going on. Also, 2 guys garage is alright, and they do a lot more normal maintence stuff now, with very few high performance shows.

[Ian]

That would rule if we had a TV show dealing with fixing and hopping up cars! :twisted:

[BigAls87Z28]

Actualy, a guy around where I live had a plan for something like that.

NJFBOA presents..."Be Car Care Aware!"

[bencar]

I've got an idea as to what we could call our version of a 'Car Themed' program-'Average Joe's Car Show.'

I really think that done right, a program that shows our kind of cars, and how to put them together, would really fly. It would be great to show people that a 'budget build-up' doesn't have to start at $5,000.00, but could be $500.00, or maybe a whole lot less, depending on what one wants to accomplish. Heck, my MSD unit, that made a world of difference when it came to cold weather starts with my T/A, sells for around $150.00. Now that's a real 'budget build-up', or if you prefer, a 'budget improvement.' :D

[bencar]

this is a good idea and could sprout into something, maybe not a big something but a something none the less. When it comes to production and editing the important thing is a lot of footage and i would say at elast 3 cameras. cause you dont want to miss a thing. Given the right tools i could fabricate almost anything, the problem is not havign the tools since they are really pricey. I could do body work and paint. im not good artistically like with airbrush but i could map out flames stripes and differnt grafix but you give me an air brush im in trouble if you want major detail. the artsy side of my brain never functioned but the creative part must have took over that spot also.

it just sucks that i sit at a desk all day and dont have a job where i can put my talents to use. I will be painting my car this winter and also my moms boyfriends suburban and doing all the body work and interior restoration on it this winter also.

But going back to production at first we probably will not have to pay for cost of production cause im sure people will be willing to help out the only money that will be needed are some high quality cameras and a lot of batteries. the key to a show like that is no retakes nothing can be scripted. i think that is the hardest part of those kind of shows. problems are going to happen things are going to get broken, misplaced, lost you name it we film it. if we are serious about this i know a vp at the IFC chanell. Its a close friends of mine wife. they just dont do movies and they have other chanells that they are assoicated with and there is a connection right there.

I'm serious, and if you read my latest post, maybe I've got an idea as to what to call this project. Hey, we have nothing to lose by trying

[bencar]

Actualy, a guy around where I live had a plan for something like that.

NJFBOA presents..."Be Car Care Aware!"

..."Be Car Care Aware!" is another possibilty for a name for this project. My thought though is to make this thing come across as something more than just another 'fix-your-car' guide

[bencar]

Okay, so did this thread just come unraveled? :burnout:

[jims69camaro]

bump

[bencar]

Guess that answers my question