The Average Guy's Car Show

[bencar]

:D So, did everyone lose interest in the idea of putting together some kind of program that would feature our kind of cars? For a while the 'Am I the Only One' thread seemed to have blossomed into something that would go places, then it just died. No one out there in this sea of 'Car Themed' TV shows even comes close to featuring our kind of cars, which are the ones we could actually relate to

[BigAls87Z28]

its due to the average short attention span of this website....its only a matter of time till another bright object comes along and distracts us. :lol:

[skorpion317]

its due to the average short attention span of this website....its only a matter of time till another bright object comes along and distracts us. :lol:

or a plastic bag blowing in the wind, or a rubber band or something.

[Amy]

Carshow would be cool-- Oooooo.. skittles.

[Ian]

I can count to a hundred! sorry, couldn't resist.

[Tru2Chevy]

Wow - what a bunch of intellectuals :shakes head:









:j/k:

Ben, I think the idea for the TV show is a great one, but at the present moment, I don't think we (the club) have enough resources to get behind something like that. If there are people who have good connections, then please, tell us who you know, and talk to them. Find out just how feasable this idea really is.

- Justin

[ar0ck]

Look a bird!






- Who has a cam-corder?

[twiztidz28]

i got one but its not digital quality.

*stares at computer screen blankly*

so how took the chicken off the plate and put it in the fridge?

[bencar]

Hmm, seems I always was the one with the stick-to-it-ness my friends severely lacked :(

Well, maybe now we could get that guy back into the fray, you know, the one who said he had the connections we need :D

[twiztidz28]

are you talking about me by any chance? now i can ask what needs to be done to put a pilot out and what happens from there. i could also see if there is any interest in a show like that. my friends wife is a vp at the IFC channel

[bencar]

Probably. I'm willing to at least give this thing a try. Heck, what have we got to lose, except our pride :oops: . I may not have any money to put into this thing, but maybe 30 years experience in the hobby is worth something, not to mention ten years worth of article writing, 10 years running a Chapter of a Club, and then 7 more running that Chapter as an indpendent Club after the national failed, and restoring & maintaining two cars for over 30 years. :burnout:

[bencar]

Wow - what a bunch of intellectuals :shakes head:









:j/k:

Ben, I think the idea for the TV show is a great one, but at the present moment, I don't think we (the club) have enough resources to get behind something like that. If there are people who have good connections, then please, tell us who you know, and talk to them. Find out just how feasable this idea really is.

- Justin

Looks like you might just have the resource needed right within this group. Read twiztidz28's reply :D

[Pat]

i have a mini dv camcorder

[jims69camaro]

i think we do have the resources. it's all about putting them together. and finding someone to run the day-to-day to make sure that they come together. even then you are not guaranteed a good result. like i said before i am willing to get behind this. i'd like to see a show of hands of those who:

1) have a digital camcorder. while the analog variety are ok for home movies, if we are going to make this into a professional looking product, then digital is the way to go. more than one camera taping would mean less moving around than if we only had a single camera.

2) have space where we could shoot. it doesn't have to be a professional garage, but something other than what's attached to most houses is what i am looking for. if it's a seperate structure from the house, that would be ideal. an air compressor for air tools would be a plus. a welder would be a double plus, although if someone has a welder and doesn't have the space to shoot, and wouldn't mind us moving the welder for shooting purposes... rollaway cabinets for tools look really cool, as well. of course, there must be enough room in the structure to move about freely with the camera, lights and sound equipment.

3) have any experience shooting with a tripod. yeah, i know your hands are steady, but a tripod is the way to go. pans and such end up tons smoother. it would also be cool to be able to run seperate sound from the camcorder, as we can use those tracks to fade in music, etc.

4) have any experience with scripts, storyboards or any of the behind the scenes planning that is necessary in order to make a smooth running show.

5) have any experience setting up scenes. interior decorators would be of good use here, in order to tell us that the purple clock doesn't mesh well with the green wall - and stuff like that.

6) would like to volunteer their vehicle for shooting. there won't be any compensation for this, other than the people who show up to work on the car (free labor!). you have to provide the scenario, as in what you want to do to your car, and it should mesh with current projects that most of us either have done or are planning on doing (no twin turbos on your 305, please :D). you have to provide the parts that will be installed on your car. i am sure we can come up with enough tools to get the job done.

7) have experience editting. this will be crucial to the quality of the final product. if we have to hire a professional editor, that might be a consideration down the road. while we may be able to put together enough footage, unless someone has the wherewithall to put it all together in the end... you know what i mean?

if i have left anything out, please chime in now. i think this project has potential. of course, it's important to keep in mind that the final product may not go anywhere but on this website, and no one will likely become a star overnight or get paid for their efforts with this. i'd like to see it be shown somewhere - like being broadcast on cable would be awesome. if you decide to volunteer, then know that the only reward for the time you put into this will be the finished product - the video.

also know that i am just throwing ideas out. if someone wants to take the reigns and run with this, know that you will have my support.

[bencar]

i think we do have the resources. it's all about putting them together. and finding someone to run the day-to-day to make sure that they come together. even then you are not guaranteed a good result. like i said before i am willing to get behind this. i'd like to see a show of hands of those who:

1) have a digital camcorder. while the analog variety are ok for home movies, if we are going to make this into a professional looking product, then digital is the way to go. more than one camera taping would mean less moving around than if we only had a single camera.

2) have space where we could shoot. it doesn't have to be a professional garage, but something other than what's attached to most houses is what i am looking for. if it's a seperate structure from the house, that would be ideal. an air compressor for air tools would be a plus. a welder would be a double plus, although if someone has a welder and doesn't have the space to shoot, and wouldn't mind us moving the welder for shooting purposes... rollaway cabinets for tools look really cool, as well. of course, there must be enough room in the structure to move about freely with the camera, lights and sound equipment.

3) have any experience shooting with a tripod. yeah, i know your hands are steady, but a tripod is the way to go. pans and such end up tons smoother. it would also be cool to be able to run seperate sound from the camcorder, as we can use those tracks to fade in music, etc.

4) have any experience with scripts, storyboards or any of the behind the scenes planning that is necessary in order to make a smooth running show.

5) have any experience setting up scenes. interior decorators would be of good use here, in order to tell us that the purple clock doesn't mesh well with the green wall - and stuff like that.

6) would like to volunteer their vehicle for shooting. there won't be any compensation for this, other than the people who show up to work on the car (free labor!). you have to provide the scenario, as in what you want to do to your car, and it should mesh with current projects that most of us either have done or are planning on doing (no twin turbos on your 305, please :D). you have to provide the parts that will be installed on your car. i am sure we can come up with enough tools to get the job done.

7) have experience editting. this will be crucial to the quality of the final product. if we have to hire a professional editor, that might be a consideration down the road. while we may be able to put together enough footage, unless someone has the wherewithall to put it all together in the end... you know what i mean?

if i have left anything out, please chime in now. i think this project has potential. of course, it's important to keep in mind that the final product may not go anywhere but on this website, and no one will likely become a star overnight or get paid for their efforts with this. i'd like to see it be shown somewhere - like being broadcast on cable would be awesome. if you decide to volunteer, then know that the only reward for the time you put into this will be the finished product - the video.

also know that i am just throwing ideas out. if someone wants to take the reigns and run with this, know that you will have my support.

I'm up for item 6 :D , my availabilty is usually Fridays, and some Sundays

[Tru2Chevy]

I'm all over # 3 and # 7. I know garrettwp is also good with video editing, and he's got a new Mac G5 that I'm sure could use the workout :twisted:

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

there we go... "and they're off..."

come on guys, let's get behind this thing and make it happen!

oh, and i forgot to mention, we need a personality to 'host' the show. if it's more than one, like horsepowerTV, that's fine. the personality(ies) should have presence and a clear speaking voice. it's doesn't matter if you're pretty or not (look at chuck from horsepowerTV... that toupe wearing chevelle president...)

if i am chosen to 'run the show', basically, i couldn't be in front of the camera, too.

and i really like "Average Joe's".

[bencar]

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers: :rock: :burnout: :mrgreen:

[bencar]

there we go... "and they're off..."

come on guys, let's get behind this thing and make it happen!

oh, and i forgot to mention, we need a personality to 'host' the show. if it's more than one, like horsepowerTV, that's fine. the personality(ies) should have presence and a clear speaking voice. it's doesn't matter if you're pretty or not (look at chuck from horsepowerTV... that toupe wearing chevelle president...)

if i am chosen to 'run the show', basically, i couldn't be in front of the camera, too.

and i really like "Average Joe's".
Hey, I'm nuts enough to give the Host thing a shot. If I can stand in front of 250 people, like I did for an anti 'Enhanced Inspection' Rally, and not lose it, how hard would it be for me to speak to a tiny little camera :twisted:

[ar0ck]

I can offer a tripod for it.

I have limited DVD production skills, but with time I could build a DVD off of pre-set up video. I can also handle the mass production, if someone gives me DVD-R's.

Aslo um... Im willing to donate my car for a project, when I get one thats worthy... Like how to fix or detect an exhaust leak :lol:

[bencar]

I can offer a tripod for it.

I have limited DVD production skills, but with time I could build a DVD off of pre-set up video. I can also handle the mass production, if someone gives me DVD-R's.

Aslo um... Im willing to donate my car for a project, when I get one thats worthy... Like how to fix or detect an exhaust leak :lol:

You mean like when you've blown out your 14,000th 'Collector Gasket', and it happens so frequently that you anti-seized the bolts for easy removal :lol:
Or how about this one: How to find your funny crackling sound, by physically grabbing a hold of the offending 'Plug Wire', and then getting blasted against your Garage wall, as the Wife watches in horror :twisted:

[ShitOnWheels]

Does it have to be fbody's and sports cars? My Hyundai could use some extra power amoung other things ;)

[bencar]

Does it have to be fbody's and sports cars? My Hyundai could use some extra power amoung other things ;)

I don't know what everyone else would say, but for my money, if it rolls, use it

[Tru2Chevy]

Does it have to be fbody's and sports cars? My Hyundai could use some extra power amoung other things ;)

I don't know what everyone else would say, but for my money, if it rolls, use it

Yea, we could do an episode with a home depot/lowes CAI to keep the hamsters cool :rofl:

- Justin

[bencar]

:mrgreen: Now, now, let's not be too hard on the 'rolling coffin' owner's crowd. Heck, my 'Daily Driver' isn't exactly much to write home about either-a 1982 Ford Fairmont Futura :oops:

[jims69camaro]

we're still moving forward.

[jims69camaro]

oh, and welcome to page two. ;) 8)

[bencar]

Forward is a good direction to be moving, but sideways and forward can also be fun :lol: Seriously though, I really have great hopes for this brainstorm/:idea:

[jims69camaro]

well, we've got to find a place to shoot. i'm still holding out hope that someone with a garage will step forward...

people who showed interest in the project: NJSPEEDER, TPI Monte SS, foff667, BigAls87Z28, TransAm4Life, twiztidz28, Ian, SilverTransAm and Tru2Chevy. Garret was volunteered by Justin, so we'll have to wait and see if he wants in or not.

we have a camera, a tripod, a personality and an editor, and we need just a little bit more of a committment to move forward.

this will benefit all of us. imagine telling someone you belong to NJFBOA, and they say, "oh, yeah, the guys that did 'Average Joe's Car Show'". and what an awesome way to promote the website... i am sure you guys are aware of f-body hideout, right?

[BigAls87Z28]

Im not sure on what exactly was said on the other page...but here is my input. If something like this was said before, bah.

I deffinatly think that having a car care aware show is a good idea. Something that we could put out through NJFBOA. We could also, after we get some sponsors for the site, interview them about their products and services. We could take tours of shops and such, and show what exactly goes on when you take your car in for service. I know a lot of people...and I do mean a LOT of people...that dont even know who, what, or even how you ballance a tire?
I think there is a lot we could do, but many different ways to do it. Also, we could do a review of some track nights, and talk about what to do your first time racing. How many dumbasses have you seen that drive through the water box and line up at the tree...you know there newbs.
I think that it would be great. Id give up my garage, but its attacted to a house, and half of it is jammed with crap. I do have an air tank, but no torch, and if the garage was cleaned out, I could fit 2 cars in there, or at least 1 car and camera equipment.
What would be nice if we had a lift.... 8)

[bencar]

well, we've got to find a place to shoot. i'm still holding out hope that someone with a garage will step forward...

people who showed interest in the project: NJSPEEDER, TPI Monte SS, foff667, BigAls87Z28, TransAm4Life, twiztidz28, Ian, SilverTransAm and Tru2Chevy. Garret was volunteered by Justin, so we'll have to wait and see if he wants in or not.

we have a camera, a tripod, a personality and an editor, and we need just a little bit more of a committment to move forward.

this will benefit all of us. imagine telling someone you belong to NJFBOA, and they say, "oh, yeah, the guys that did 'Average Joe's Car Show'". and what an awesome way to promote the website... i am sure you guys are aware of f-body hideout, right?
Sounds good so far, and might I add, you have bencar (your personality) :D on that list of willing particpants in this project

Oh, and I'm sure I can think of some little project to do on that T/A of mine for use in the filming part of this thing (like inspecting rear brakes or something)

[jims69camaro]

well, we've got to find a place to shoot. i'm still holding out hope that someone with a garage will step forward......
Sounds good so far, and might I add, you have bencar (your personality) :D on that list of willing particpants in this project

Oh, and I'm sure I can think of some little project to do on that T/A of mine for use in the filming part of this thing (like inspecting rear brakes or something)


tag, you're it. i think if we can keep this up at the top someone who hasn't seen it yet will come waltzing in here and say, "hey, i've got a garage you can use..."

[bencar]

well, we've got to find a place to shoot. i'm still holding out hope that someone with a garage will step forward......
Sounds good so far, and might I add, you have bencar (your personality) :D on that list of willing particpants in this project

Oh, and I'm sure I can think of some little project to do on that T/A of mine for use in the filming part of this thing (like inspecting rear brakes or something)


tag, you're it. i think if we can keep this up at the top someone who hasn't seen it yet will come waltzing in here and say, "hey, i've got a garage you can use..."

Tag, you're it! I certainly hope that one of the members of this Forum will be able to come up with a suitable location for filming this project. I'd really hate to see this dream die, :cry: simply due to the lack of a Garage suitable to filming
I know that neither of my Garages would be suitable for filming anything. As it stands now, I can just get the car into it's Garage (a.k.a. Toybox) now, fit all my 'Detailing' stuff

[bencar]

Come on, please don't let this great idea die for want of a Garage to film this thing in. We have people willing to use their cars (like me and I think Jims69Camaro), we have all the other elements, including a 'personality' (yeah I'm nuts enough to volunteer for that job), so all we need is a suitable Garage for filming. PLEASE, someone say you've got what we need

[bencar]

Oh yeah, I forgot somethingHELP!!!!!!!!!! :shock:

[jims69camaro]

al: since most of us don't have a lift anyway, it would be TTL to show a car up on jackstands. clean out your garage. :D

ok, this is what we have so far:
Justin: camera operator, editting

Twiztid: IFC channel hookup (wife's friend is a VP)

SilverTransAm: camera

Bencar: Host

TransAm4Life: tripod, mass production (if we go this route, he needs the discs) and offered up his car. now, the second half of the equation he didn't tell us - what project he can handle footing the bill for. if you want sub-frame connectors installed on your car, you buy the SFCs and we film the installation. CAI: you buy it, we film it and install it. cool?

Big Al: storyboard - you didn't think i was going to let you off the hook with just throwing ideas out, did you? it's not that difficult. do a little research then map the show out for us. so much easier to follow a plan than to just 'wing it'.

me: i'm doing what i do best, and that's getting it all together and hopefully managing the resources to their best avenues. if all goes according to plan, and Big Al's storyboard, all we'll have to do is get everyone's schedule together and shoot.

now, if Al will clean out his 2 car garage then we'll have some place to shoot... 8)

btw: tim, TPI Monte SS, foff667, Ian and Garrett (who hasn't seen this yet? justin, if you could, get a message to him to see if this is something he wants in on): maybe you guys want to sit down with Big Al and come up with the storyboard? i'm hoping you'll all be available for the day(s) of filming, as well, as i know your combined experience can benefit this project.

alrighty, then. i imagine come spring we'll have some film 'in the can' so justin (and garrett?) can put the finishing touches on it.

we are closer to achieving this goal than anyone realizes... especially me.

[bencar]

al: since most of us don't have a lift anyway, it would be TTL to show a car up on jackstands. clean out your garage. :D

ok, this is what we have so far:
Justin: camera operator, editting

Twiztid: IFC channel hookup (wife's friend is a VP)

SilverTransAm: camera

Bencar: Host

TransAm4Life: tripod, mass production (if we go this route, he needs the discs) and offered up his car. now, the second half of the equation he didn't tell us - what project he can handle footing the bill for. if you want sub-frame connectors installed on your car, you buy the SFCs and we film the installation. CAI: you buy it, we film it and install it. cool?

Big Al: storyboard - you didn't think i was going to let you off the hook with just throwing ideas out, did you? it's not that difficult. do a little research then map the show out for us. so much easier to follow a plan than to just 'wing it'.

me: i'm doing what i do best, and that's getting it all together and hopefully managing the resources to their best avenues. if all goes according to plan, and Big Al's storyboard, all we'll have to do is get everyone's schedule together and shoot.

now, if Al will clean out his 2 car garage then we'll have some place to shoot... 8)

btw: tim, TPI Monte SS, foff667, Ian and Garrett (who hasn't seen this yet? justin, if you could, get a message to him to see if this is something he wants in on): maybe you guys want to sit down with Big Al and come up with the storyboard? i'm hoping you'll all be available for the day(s) of filming, as well, as i know your combined experience can benefit this project.

alrighty, then. i imagine come spring we'll have some film 'in the can' so justin (and garrett?) can put the finishing touches on it.

we are closer to achieving this goal than anyone realizes... especially me.
FANTASTIC!!!!!Sorry, but I couldn't contain myself :D. Oh, and though I can't get into anything big, I'd be willing to come up with some kind of small project on my T/A, if you needed any additiional program material.

By the way, Jims69Camaro, if you wish to contact me by phone, drop me a personal E-Mail, and I'll forward that information on to you

[jims69camaro]

yeah, i am sure Big Al will come up with something other than just one project, especially knowing that there is more than one person offering their car up. he will need specifics, though, and we'll also need that information to know where to set up the cameras and how many we'll need. i am sure more than one person on this website will either loan us their camera or bring it and be camera operator for a day.

[BigAls87Z28]

Whoa! Guess I need to get to cleaning huh? It would have to be a "team" effort. I need to build a shed first so I can jamb all that crap in there.
Build it (shed), and they will come....

[jims69camaro]

let me know if you need any help. while i am unable to lift anything, i could help in other ways (all that knowledge my dad stuffed into my head about carpentry might come in handy?!?).

[The Fixer]

Guys, I could get in on something like this. Check out and follow along these two pages from my website -

www.bowtiepower.com/hearttransplant.html

www.bowtiepower.com/T5conversion.html

You can see my friend Jim and I built the whole car in my driveway, without a lift or air tools. From doing the motor conversion/tranny install, to hanging the exhaust and rebuilding the suspension, it all happened in front of my house. :D The only things that I had to farm out was the rearend rebuild (4 years ago) and having my friend weld the crossmember for use with the T5. I had to borrow the cherry picker from a friend; we used it to pull the motor from my '85 SS, and then install it several months later into the '88.

A garage isn't a bad idea, but if someone had a large enough driveway, it might work better for lighting and filming angles. You'd have to add a LOT of light in a small garage, and it would have to be clean (no clutter, for aesthetic purposes). It's pretty cramped working underneath a car while it's on jackstands (to hang an exhaust, to hang an exhaust, for example). Now add another guy in with a camera and you better get the "Censored" button ready for the expletives. :D Working outside would give you the room; you could put the camera low near the ground outside the car, and shoot in towards the action. That's another reason why the guys on HotRod TV and stuff use lifts, so they can get the shots.

And, I could be an extra personality if necessary. I'm a high-school band director, so I'm "performing" every day. I'm also one of the advisors for the annual School Play, so I have some experience with staging and acting. And I wouldn't mind using my car on the show either. Lets keep the thoughts flying!

[twiztidz28]

well i am only able to talk to my friends wife on the weekends and this weekend is so friggen booked i cant even go to the bathroom cause there is no time. but i can assure you that i will talk to her. anyone have any questions that should be asked let me know.

also, could we fix the f'n rattles in my car please :evil:

[jims69camaro]

UPDATED

TPI Monte SS: personality (co-host), vehicle, logistics, storyboard

Justin: camera operator, editting

Twiztid: IFC channel hookup (wife's friend is a VP), fix the rattles on his car, please

SilverTransAm: camera

Bencar: personality (co-host), vehicle

TransAm4Life: tripod, mass production (if we go this route, he needs the discs) and offered up his car. now, the second half of the equation he didn't tell us - what project he can handle footing the bill for. if you want sub-frame connectors installed on your car, you buy the SFCs and we film the installation. CAI: you buy it, we film it and install it. cool?

Big Al: storyboard, garage?

btw: tim, foff667, Ian and Garrett (who hasn't seen this yet? justin, if you could, get a message to him to see if this is something he wants in on): maybe you guys want to sit down with Big Al and come up with the storyboard? i'm hoping you'll all be available for the day(s) of filming, as well, as i know your combined experience can benefit this project.

anyone else, who isn't previously mentioned, that would like to contribute, we'd be appreciative. as for questions to ask about the production, i wouldn't know where to start. i think we're off to a good start, and setting spring as the readiness date is a good goal.

[jims69camaro]

just a little clarification on offering up your vehicle for use in the production: you also need to let us know what project you'd like to have done to your car, and you supply the parts. if this is not known beforehand, Big Al and his team are going to have a tough time working up a storyboard.

[foff667]

im down...once i get my v6 4th gen i think that would be a great little project car...It'll probably be stock when i get it...ive got a bunch of suspension parts left from the Z we could put on. If at some point i get the truck up and running and can get it off my pad we could work out there, though im not sure if thats the surroundings youd prefer.

[Pat]

we could do a show on my spring/shock swap.

i have no problem filming, but it's impossible for me to be home during the week. even some weekends are tough. but if we make a set date, i could try hard to clear it up.

[foff667]

fwiw ive got an 8mm digi at home & did go to school for communications among other things so i know a little about editing and storyboards and crap.

[Tru2Chevy]

You'd have to add a LOT of light in a small garage

FWIW - I have several 2'x4' light fixtures that hold 4 48" tubes. I would be willing to donate a few to the lucky garage....

- Justin

[twiztidz28]

I could also operate a camera. be the guy who gets coffee food whatever. Also i could maybe throw some money in if needbe. im not saying a lot but def something with no more then 3 numbers. IE: 100-700.

[ShitOnWheels]

I could also operate a camera. be the guy who gets coffee food whatever. Also i could maybe throw some money in if needbe. im not saying a lot but def something with no more then 3 numbers. IE: 100-700.
I'll take $700 :)

[foff667]

I could also operate a camera. be the guy who gets coffee food whatever. Also i could maybe throw some money in if needbe. im not saying a lot but def something with no more then 3 numbers. IE: 100-700.
I'll take $700 :)

:stupid:

[twiztidz28]

yes please someone give me $700 also.

Oh wait that was me who said that. The money would be going to cost of tapes and things for the show if needed.

Hey Miss ****. Everyone always wants something for nothing. But few are willing to give anything back.

[ShitOnWheels]

yes please someone give me $700 also.

Oh wait that was me who said that. The money would be going to cost of tapes and things for the show if needed.

Hey Miss ****. Everyone always wants something for nothing. But few are willing to give anything back.
Then it wouldn't be "something for nothing" if I gave something back, now would it? :)

[twiztidz28]

if you are refering to anything along the lines of this :nutkick: or maybe this :knock: i dont want it. But if its anything else i might accept the offer. 8)

[jims69camaro]

thanks for the offer of the 7 bills. i am sure it will cover all of our expenses, as other than tapes and food for the filming days, and justin&garret's expenses for editing (will there be any?) i can't imagine much else.

the list of volunteers and donated stuff is climbing. i am fairly confident we could begin shooting as soon as we get Big Al's garage cleaned out. people's availability will be the next issue to conquer.

i am available on a 24 hour notice. for example, if we decided to shoot tomorrow at 7:pm, i could be there.

[bencar]

I've got an idea, it's not a soup it up thing, it's how to touch up the detailing on your car's engine project. I'm always finding little spots where the engine paint has chipped, peeled, gotten discolored, or burned off, and therefore I'm retouching things from time to time. I know this isn't a biggie, but for the guys and gals who like that clean look, detailing, and keeping that look, is something they might want to know about. I can easily supply the items needed for that kind of demo :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

Detailing could deffinatly be one of the shows. We could recomend a cleaning product, even if we dont get paid for it.

I suggest that we start off at something like changing the oil and the steps you take to go about doing it right. We need to act like we are talking to 5 year olds, cause thats how people really think.

We should have a whole show dedicated to how to take care to your car, and things you can do to make sure you have a long happy life with your car.

We could even have a show dedicated to drive train, and what the difference between FWD, RWD, and AWD.

There are many different angles we can take on this.

[bencar]

Detailing could deffinatly be one of the shows. We could recomend a cleaning product, even if we dont get paid for it.

I suggest that we start off at something like changing the oil and the steps you take to go about doing it right. We need to act like we are talking to 5 year olds, cause thats how people really think.

We should have a whole show dedicated to how to take care to your car, and things you can do to make sure you have a long happy life with your car.

We could even have a show dedicated to drive train, and what the difference between FWD, RWD, and AWD.

There are many different angles we can take on this.

Actually, I was thinking of something more along the lines of simply retouching the paint on one's engine, and a few of the simple but effective tricks I use to do that. If you want to get into exterior paint detailing, you might even be able to get a company like Mequiars to help out, either by donating product, or literature on it

[jims69camaro]

Detailing could deffinatly be one of the shows. We could recomend a cleaning product, even if we dont get paid for it.

I suggest that we start off at something like changing the oil and the steps you take to go about doing it right. We need to act like we are talking to 5 year olds, cause thats how people really think.

We should have a whole show dedicated to how to take care to your car, and things you can do to make sure you have a long happy life with your car.

We could even have a show dedicated to drive train, and what the difference between FWD, RWD, and AWD.

There are many different angles we can take on this.

this is why i want you on storyboard. along with the others that want to participate, i am sure you'll come up with a decent format. we could even incorporate computer graphics to explain things, ala PHRtv.

[bencar]

Detailing could deffinatly be one of the shows. We could recomend a cleaning product, even if we dont get paid for it.

I suggest that we start off at something like changing the oil and the steps you take to go about doing it right. We need to act like we are talking to 5 year olds, cause thats how people really think.

We should have a whole show dedicated to how to take care to your car, and things you can do to make sure you have a long happy life with your car.

We could even have a show dedicated to drive train, and what the difference between FWD, RWD, and AWD.

There are many different angles we can take on this.

this is why i want you on storyboard. along with the others that want to participate, i am sure you'll come up with a decent format. we could even incorporate computer graphics to explain things, ala PHRtv.

You mean me, or 'Big Al?' No problem if you meant me too, just wanted to know. I have a few contacts with places like Eastwood, Hemmings, and occassionally Mequiars, maybe that would help.

[twiztidz28]

for detaling the exterior paint i have all ways been partial to formula 113. or big willies detail. both are kind of local one guy is in ny and big willy is in NJ. Big willy is also in a wheel chair and i am sure he will be more then willing to send some products. He is a good friend of Craig the owner of Topo Customs. He creates cars for movies celebs for car shows. he does all of wyclef's cars and countless other celebs. maybe i can see what he can help us with. he is working on my friends lexus sc400 now and is a real cool guy with a lot off pull and contacts.

[ar0ck]

Wanna make a group purchase of my car and use it as a long-term project. Sorta like Project Super-Nova?

[foff667]

Wanna make a group purchase of my car and use it as a long-term project. Sorta like Project Super-Nova?

um no...but how bout we do a GP on my 4th gen :) it would probably be as expensive as what your asking for your car and within a few weeks would probably be faster :lol:

[bencar]

Here's another one of those, 'just a thought' things. I had mentioned Mequiars because I have personal experience with their 'Professional' numbered series products for over 10 years now, and they also work great. Maybe we could do a comparison detailing series.

Like I said, just a thought, not a requirement

[jims69camaro]

keep the ideas coming. i had meant al for the storyboard, as i know he has the kind of brain that works that way. not to exclude you - the opposite, in fact - if you wanted to participate then there is only to get with al when he holds the storyboard meetings.

btw, that is my attitude throughout. if you want to participate, and you know when the meeting for such-and-such is being held, then get your butt out there and participate. i would never exclude anyone from active participation.

[jims69camaro]

Here's another one of those, 'just a thought' things. I had mentioned Mequiars because I have personal experience with their 'Professional' numbered series products for over 10 years now, and they also work great. Maybe we could do a comparison detailing series.

Like I said, just a thought, not a requirement

i only have one concern with this, and that's that both companies involved give us thier ok to do a comparo. some companies don't like being pitted against the competition, as they don't fare so well... :rofl:

[jims69camaro]

UPDATED 9-25-04

TPI Monte SS: personality (co-host), vehicle, logistics, storyboard

Justin: camera operator, editting

Twiztid: IFC channel hookup (wife's friend is a VP), fix the rattles on his car, please

Amy: severe availablity problems, but would like to help out

skorpion317: would like to donate a plastic bag or a rubber band or something :lol: seriously, get involved where you can. we need you, as well as anyone else who wants to participate.

SilverTransAm: camera

Bencar: personality (co-host), vehicle - detailing the engine bay or side-by-side exterior detailing products

TransAm4Life: tripod, mass production (if we go this route, he needs the discs) and offered up his car. now, the second half of the equation he didn't tell us - what project he can handle footing the bill for. if you want sub-frame connectors installed on your car, you buy the SFCs and we film the installation. CAI: you buy it, we film it and install it. cool?

Big Al: storyboard, garage?

btw: tim, foff667, Ian and Garrett (who hasn't seen this yet? justin, if you could, get a message to him to see if this is something he wants in on): maybe you guys want to sit down with Big Al and come up with the storyboard? i'm hoping you'll all be available for the day(s) of filming, as well, as i know your combined experience can benefit this project.

anyone else, who isn't previously mentioned, that would like to contribute, we'd be appreciative. as for questions to ask about the production, i wouldn't know where to start. i think we're off to a good start, and setting spring as the readiness date is a good goal.

anyone who would like to get involved, please think seriously about this. as you can see, this is not just a passing phase - it's a serious project that is being taking seriously by several, myself included. while we are a ways off from actually filming, there is no reason why you couldn't help out with some of the behind-the-scenes-stuff. i will not hold anyone's feet to the fire - participation is strictly voluntary and no one should feel obligated to help out.

i think it would be a cool idea if one of the females could jump in as co-host. how many car shows have you seen with a female co-host that was more than just fluff or window-dressing? by participating in this capacity, you would have the same responsibilities as one of the other co-hosts, which would include time in front of the camera. think about it.

[bencar]

Here's another one of those, 'just a thought' things. I had mentioned Mequiars because I have personal experience with their 'Professional' numbered series products for over 10 years now, and they also work great. Maybe we could do a comparison detailing series.

Like I said, just a thought, not a requirement

i only have one concern with this, and that's that both companies involved give us thier ok to do a comparo. some companies don't like being pitted against the competition, as they don't fare so well... :rofl:

I had planned on telling my contact at Mequiars that we would be doing a comparison

[bencar]

keep the ideas coming. i had meant al for the storyboard, as i know he has the kind of brain that works that way. not to exclude you - the opposite, in fact - if you wanted to participate then there is only to get with al when he holds the storyboard meetings.

btw, that is my attitude throughout. if you want to participate, and you know when the meeting for such-and-such is being held, then get your butt out there and participate. i would never exclude anyone from active participation.

I didn't think you were intending to exclude anyone, I just wasn't sure who you were referring to. I'll do my best in regards to meetings, but if for any reason my schedule prevents me from making a meeting-Can we do phone conferencing? I don't want to miss out on something, just because I wasn't able to make a meeting

[bencar]

UPDATED 9-25-04

TPI Monte SS: personality (co-host), vehicle, logistics, storyboard

Justin: camera operator, editting

Twiztid: IFC channel hookup (wife's friend is a VP), fix the rattles on his car, please

Amy: severe availablity problems, but would like to help out

skorpion317: would like to donate a plastic bag or a rubber band or something :lol: seriously, get involved where you can. we need you, as well as anyone else who wants to participate.

SilverTransAm: camera

Bencar: personality (co-host), vehicle - detailing the engine bay or side-by-side exterior detailing products

TransAm4Life: tripod, mass production (if we go this route, he needs the discs) and offered up his car. now, the second half of the equation he didn't tell us - what project he can handle footing the bill for. if you want sub-frame connectors installed on your car, you buy the SFCs and we film the installation. CAI: you buy it, we film it and install it. cool?

Big Al: storyboard, garage?

btw: tim, foff667, Ian and Garrett (who hasn't seen this yet? justin, if you could, get a message to him to see if this is something he wants in on): maybe you guys want to sit down with Big Al and come up with the storyboard? i'm hoping you'll all be available for the day(s) of filming, as well, as i know your combined experience can benefit this project.

anyone else, who isn't previously mentioned, that would like to contribute, we'd be appreciative. as for questions to ask about the production, i wouldn't know where to start. i think we're off to a good start, and setting spring as the readiness date is a good goal.

anyone who would like to get involved, please think seriously about this. as you can see, this is not just a passing phase - it's a serious project that is being taking seriously by several, myself included. while we are a ways off from actually filming, there is no reason why you couldn't help out with some of the behind-the-scenes-stuff. i will not hold anyone's feet to the fire - participation is strictly voluntary and no one should feel obligated to help out.

i think it would be a cool idea if one of the females could jump in as co-host. how many car shows have you seen with a female co-host that was more than just fluff or window-dressing? by participating in this capacity, you would have the same responsibilities as one of the other co-hosts, which would include time in front of the camera. think about it.

Kudos on the last item, I agree, let's show em that the women can be just as invovled as the guys are. We know that, now we can show everyone else that it's true :D

[jims69camaro]

keep the ideas coming. i had meant al for the storyboard, as i know he has the kind of brain that works that way. not to exclude you - the opposite, in fact - if you wanted to participate then there is only to get with al when he holds the storyboard meetings.

btw, that is my attitude throughout. if you want to participate, and you know when the meeting for such-and-such is being held, then get your butt out there and participate. i would never exclude anyone from active participation.

I didn't think you were intending to exclude anyone, I just wasn't sure who you were referring to. I'll do my best in regards to meetings, but if for any reason my schedule prevents me from making a meeting-Can we do phone conferencing? I don't want to miss out on something, just because I wasn't able to make a meeting

good idea. another, since we all use the computer, would be an aol chatroom meeting - just to keep the ones who were unable to attend a face-to-face meeting in the groove.

i think there is much to be said about being in a room with a bunch of other individuals. the ideas tend to flow better, there is a better opportunity to illustrate your idea and a good time is usually had by all. of course, people's schedules conflict, and that should be kept in mind when trying to schedule a meeting. be as flexible as possible, but don't hold up progress - that's how i look at it.

[bencar]

keep the ideas coming. i had meant al for the storyboard, as i know he has the kind of brain that works that way. not to exclude you - the opposite, in fact - if you wanted to participate then there is only to get with al when he holds the storyboard meetings.

btw, that is my attitude throughout. if you want to participate, and you know when the meeting for such-and-such is being held, then get your butt out there and participate. i would never exclude anyone from active participation.

I didn't think you were intending to exclude anyone, I just wasn't sure who you were referring to. I'll do my best in regards to meetings, but if for any reason my schedule prevents me from making a meeting-Can we do phone conferencing? I don't want to miss out on something, just because I wasn't able to make a meeting

good idea. another, since we all use the computer, would be an aol chatroom meeting - just to keep the ones who were unable to attend a face-to-face meeting in the groove.

i think there is much to be said about being in a room with a bunch of other individuals. the ideas tend to flow better, there is a better opportunity to illustrate your idea and a good time is usually had by all. of course, people's schedules conflict, and that should be kept in mind when trying to schedule a meeting. be as flexible as possible, but don't hold up progress - that's how i look at it.

I definitely want to be at as many face-to-face meetings as I can, but I'm also being realistic, in that I live a good 30-40 miles north of most of you folks, and especially on a weeknight, might have a problem in being able to get to a meeting. That said, I'd prefer phone contact for those times when I'm unable to make it to a meeting, versus anything involving typing, like I often say, I talk better than I type :lol: . If a 'Chatroom' is easier on everyone, then I'll go with that. Bottom line, I want this thing to succeed, I don't want to be that guy I've hated in every other Club I've been in, the one who promises, and then fails to deliver, or his counterpart, the 'roadblock' guy, who finds more ways then you can imagine to throw 'Monkey Wrenches' into the works. Hopefully 30 years in this hobby has taught me a few good lessons I can build on

[jims69camaro]

I want this thing to succeed, I don't want to be that guy I've hated in every other Club I've been in, the one who promises, and then fails to deliver, or his counterpart, the 'roadblock' guy, who finds more ways then you can imagine to throw 'Monkey Wrenches' into the works. Hopefully 30 years in this hobby has taught me a few good lessons I can build on[/b]

i'm counting on it. your attitude is refreshing and infectious. were your ears ringing? we were talking about you tonight.

[bencar]

I want this thing to succeed, I don't want to be that guy I've hated in every other Club I've been in, the one who promises, and then fails to deliver, or his counterpart, the 'roadblock' guy, who finds more ways then you can imagine to throw 'Monkey Wrenches' into the works. Hopefully 30 years in this hobby has taught me a few good lessons I can build on[/b]

i'm counting on it. your attitude is refreshing and infectious. were your ears ringing? we were talking about you tonight.

So that's why my ears were ringing! And here I thought it was because I'd smacked my head on the undercarriage of my 'Daily Driver' I was working on :lol: .

In regards to my attitude, I suppose you could say that when you really enjoy something, it shows. I may not have museum quality cars, but I have a passion for this hobby that exceeds what I have, it's just that I lack the with what to do much. Hopefully, with the collective effort of all, we can really do something worthwhile here :cheers:

[Tru2Chevy]

Hopefully, with the collective effort of all, we can really do something worthwhile here :cheers:

:werd:

- Justin

[bencar]

Hopefully, with the collective effort of all, we can really do something worthwhile here :cheers:

:werd:

- Justin
:?

Oh, by the way, met one of the guys from the group at E-Town on Sunday, said he might be interested in joining to help with this project.

E-Town was kinda of deserted on Sunday. Seems that for the last few years the attendance on Sunday hasn't been what it used to be.

[Tru2Chevy]

Oh, by the way, met one of the guys from the group at E-Town on Sunday, said he might be interested in joining to help with this project.

That's great! Are you refering to Harcore Z28? I was talking to Jim, Big Al, and Chuck for a little while on Saturday at the meet about this. I think we can count on this being a serious undertaking for the club this spring. Lets just hope Chuck can pull the right strigs with his friend's wife.

E-Town was kinda of deserted on Sunday. Seems that for the last few years the attendance on Sunday hasn't been what it used to be.

I've heard the same thing. I personally slept in Sunday after only getting 3 hours of sleep on Friday night, being at E-town from 8 am to 4 pm, then being at the meet from 6-11ish, then partying at my house afterwards till 2am.

Plus I think that most people assume all the good deals on parts are already taken.

- Justin

[twiztidz28]

then partying at my house afterwards till 2am.

- Justin

What is this. a party and no one tells me. this is some :bs: . next time you let me know there is a party otherwise no party after the nov meet. but there is always time for a party. oh by the way
ttiwwp

[HardcoreZ28]

Yeah I'm the one that met Ben at E-Town. I'd be interested in helping you guys with the show. Let me know how I can help.

[Tru2Chevy]

What is this. a party and no one tells me. this is some :bs: . next time you let me know there is a party otherwise no party after the nov meet.

Sorry Chuck.....It was pretty much just the local Ewing crew. I didn't want to scare my neighbors/family (yet :twisted: ) by rolling up to my house 30 F-bodies deep.

Besides, it was less of a party, and more like a few hours of scaring j0n with inside jokes....he knows way too much about us now :shakes head:

- Justin

[/party]

[bencar]

Oh, by the way, met one of the guys from the group at E-Town on Sunday, said he might be interested in joining to help with this project.

That's great! Are you refering to Harcore Z28? I was talking to Jim, Big Al, and Chuck for a little while on Saturday at the meet about this. I think we can count on this being a serious undertaking for the club this spring. Lets just hope Chuck can pull the right strigs with his friend's wife.



E-Town was kinda of deserted on Sunday. Seems that for the last few years the attendance on Sunday hasn't been what it used to be.

I've heard the same thing. I personally slept in Sunday after only getting 3 hours of sleep on Friday night, being at E-town from 8 am to 4 pm, then being at the meet from 6-11ish, then partying at my house afterwards till 2am.

Plus I think that most people assume all the good deals on parts are already taken.

- Justin

In regards to who it was that I saw on Sunday, the answer is yes, it was HardcoreZ28

I also hope that Chuck can get us the in that we need. I really, really, really, really, don't want to see this thing go right into the Crapper. Start PRAYING now!

I suppose a little walking :lol: might have tuckered you out, not to mention a wee bit of partying, but, as you now know, you didn't miss much on Sunday. It just seems that for the last several years now, the attendance has been dropping at the Sunday Fall 'Car Show & Swap Meet.' I've heard a lot of my local 'Car Friends' say that they stay away from that event because of the traffic, the dust, screwy enforcement of what they do and don't let in to the Show, and the fact that they don't seem to be able to find much anymore in the 'Swap Meet.' A lot of the big Vendors aren't making the trek these days out to E-Town, not with ever increasing gasoline prices, and the ability to do just as well over the Internet, without the hassles of traveling long distances.

[bencar]

then partying at my house afterwards till 2am.

- Justin

What is this. a party and no one tells me. this is some :bs: . next time you let me know there is a party otherwise no party after the nov meet. but there is always time for a party. oh by the way
ttiwwp

Okay, here's a pic. Okay, probably not quite what you meant, but it is a pic :lol:
http://bencar.freeyellow.com/00000009ENGINE.jpg

[twiztidz28]

no definatly not. but hey whatever. its a picture

[jims69camaro]

I also hope that Chuck can get us the in that we need. I really, really, really, really, don't want to see this thing go right into the Crapper.

we discussed alternatives to the independent cable hookup saturday night. if this goes beyond just an internet video, there are ways of selling it to interested parties. basically i want to concentrate on getting the first few shows 'in the can' before i start thinking about 'showing it all over town'.

don't worry, that part of the project will almost run itself. once it hits the internet word of mouth should get it to the right people. i'm not saying that we are't goig to actively pursue it, but it should certainly make the job easier.

[twiztidz28]

well Jim as i discussed with you justin and al. my guy at topo creations should come in handy as well. we cant forget about the carshow king can we. I have also recently discovered that he is a huge muscel car guy. he has a sick nove/chevell cant remember which one that i will see shortly. maybe he can get some big names he knows with fbodies to tag along. maybe do a celeb section on a couple shows.

[BigAls87Z28]

Ah...bad news. Cant use my garage. :oops: We gotta find somewhere else.

[twiztidz28]

if my garage wasnt really small id say we could use that but you can barely get my car in there.

[jims69camaro]

no problem, al. good idea, chuck. ok, so i will step my expectations down a little bit. basically, anyone with a garage that is halfway decent-size-wise that we could shoot in? lighting will be less of a problem in a smaller space.

speaking of lighting, i learned a few tricks from a photographer friend of mine a few years ago. instead of shining a shop light directly on the subject, you bounce the light off of a white sheet. they have sophisticated equipment and what-not, but it's not that hard to reproduce using "macgyver" methods.

[twiztidz28]

ok well we have to clean out the garage and have a yard sale to get rid of most the crap on the left side. oh yea its a 2 car garage. :wink: and then it would have to be on the weekend when my roommate can take his lexus out if its not being worked on. ill run it by him if we cant get another place. after all he owns the house.

[jims69camaro]

well Jim as i discussed with you justin and al. my guy at topo creations should come in handy as well. we cant forget about the carshow king can we. I have also recently discovered that he is a huge muscel car guy. he has a sick nove/chevell cant remember which one that i will see shortly. maybe he can get some big names he knows with fbodies to tag along. maybe do a celeb section on a couple shows.

this is pretty awesome, in and of itself. the 6-degrees theory notwithstanding... i'm certain if we pulled together all of our resources and just talked this thing up, people would come out of the woodwork to help us out. especially once they find out we're all amateurs trying to knock down a goliath of a project.

you never know who you are talking to or who they might know that could advance this project beyond our expectations.

[bencar]

Just another one of my thoughts here, not necessarily a good thought, but a thought none-the-less.

I think that waiting until Springtime to really get going on this thing, might be a bad idea. Now I realize that the Holidays will soon be upon us, and most of us have our share of nutzoness do deal with, but I'm afraid that if we wait until Spring to first start doing any real shooting, once we have a location that is, we could loose a lot of people. Time has a funny way of working against the best laid plans, if it isn't used judiciously

[ar0ck]

I will volunteer the Z28 since it is completely bone stock. I will of course purchase the product. It will most likely start with the basic bolt ons, so we can make it simple and it wouldnt take up much time. Perfect for a 30-60minute show.

[bencar]

Sounds good, so far we have my 76 T/A, your Z28, and I believe at least one or two other cars. We have a Host, and me as Co-Host, and by the looks of things, a possibility of a Garage to use, a definite on a Camera, Tripod, Storyboard Editor, and lighting person.

So, are we going to try to move the start date up like I think we should? I'm just afraid if we wait too long, we'll lose momentum, we'll lose people, and we could lose our opportunity to market this thing

[BigAls87Z28]

First project..

How to lash your valves on a small block chevy.... :cry:

please, I want my car to start before the snow does.

[bencar]

First project..

How to lash your valves on a small block chevy.... :cry:

please, I want my car to start before the snow does.

Don't cry, and your project idea sounds fine by me. :D

[HardcoreZ28]

Lashing valves won't make for a very long segment. There's a lot more work and little talking you can do about it.....trust me I know. I only needed a 5 minute explanation and 3 hours to get mine right the first time. But it would be great if you're going to do valve lashing and something else in the same show.

[bencar]

Lashing valves won't make for a very long segment. There's a lot more work and little talking you can do about it.....trust me I know. I only needed a 5 minute explanation and 3 hours to get mine right the first time. But it would be great if you're going to do valve lashing and something else in the same show.

Um, you could try forgetting to put the 'Adjusting Clips' on the Rockers' to spice things up a bit :j/k: Seriously though, maybe he could throw in a 'basic tune-up' as part of the exercise

[HardcoreZ28]

Adjusting clips? Do you mean those clips you can by to prevent oil from spurting out of the pushrods? Did you know those only work on stock stamped rockers?? Everytime I do my valves I have to let oil get all over my clean engine. Started more than 1 fire in the last couple years doing valves. Now I do them without running the engine and have had pretty good success.

[ar0ck]

Well if a project takes longer then the explenation, you can always fast-forward in editing like they do on the TV shows, like go from a speach, and show the first couple of minutes while speaking of what to do to get at the valves. Then fast forward time to the the last valve that needs to be lashed, or have it ready, so you can finish up the job and fire up the car or whatever needs to be done. While giving the final statement. Saying stuff like approximate times, and a corny joke.

[bencar]

Adjusting clips? Do you mean those clips you can by to prevent oil from spurting out of the pushrods? Did you know those only work on stock stamped rockers?? Everytime I do my valves I have to let oil get all over my clean engine. Started more than 1 fire in the last couple years doing valves. Now I do them without running the engine and have had pretty good success.

Dems is da ones. They'll also work on 'Roller Tip' Rockers if you bend the center tab just a bit. Doubt they'd fit on full 'Roller Rockers' though :cry: Otherwise, like you said, YUCK! Oh, I also use a 'Valve Cover' cut in half, with the top cut out, and a half gasket, so this way what drains on to the top if the cylinder head, doesn't run down the side of the engine block. Now there's something we could also feature on this program of ours.

I'd also like to just remind everyone, that though this is the NJFBOA, the program is the 'Average Guy's Car Show', and as much as I may be branded a heretic for saying this, we will need to feature other brands of vehicles, other than G.M. Fbody cars. We can start out with G.M . Fbody cars, but we do need to show other makes and models too :hammer: Please don't smack me too hard for what I've just said :lol:

[ar0ck]

I have a friend with a pretty Fah Vo, but Im not sure if he needs anything else done to it...

We can do one on installing a nitrous kit... (even though its already installed) And it would be pretty quick.

[Tru2Chevy]

I'll volunteer the beater for a short segment on cleaning your engine bay ('91 Chevy Lumina)

- Justin

[bencar]

I'll volunteer the beater for a short segment on cleaning your engine bay ('91 Chevy Lumina)

- Justin

Sounds like another good idea to me, and something that sounds simple enough, but to a novice it could seem like a daunting task, until they've seen the process laid out for them

[bencar]

I have a friend with a pretty Fah Vo, but Im not sure if he needs anything else done to it...

We can do one on installing a nitrous kit... (even though its already installed) And it would be pretty quick.

I think I had responded to this post before, but since it doesn't seem to be on the 'Message Board', I'll respond again.

If you mean a Volvo, well, I suppose it could be used for something, just not sure what, maybe someone else would like to weigh in on this one.

The Nitrous kit thing would be useful if we do a segment on Race Track only vehicles, since it isn't Street Legal, and in this type of program, we can't be promoting the installation of anything that would run afoul of the law. Sorry, but that's why you don't see that sort of thing on the current crop of car themed programs.

Oh, and a rather interesting comment at the bottom of your post.

[BigAls87Z28]

If it wont take too long....THEN LETS DO IT THIS WEDNESDAY!! Then we can finish my 305 project, and get her started.
I still have a header to put on, connect the y pipe, put on the intake, reconnect all the fuel and electiral hook ups, and then set the timing for the diz.

sounds like a good project huh? 8)

[jims69camaro]

[edit: remove the list]

on the other issues, i don't think we should tackle anything other than f-bodies at this point. while the show is Average Joe's, it is for and will be produced by f-body enthusiasts. we can certainly talk about other projects/vehicles at a later date. there are a ton of third generation f-bodies on the market and they either are or will be the next big 'cheap' (read: affordable) project available to enthusiasts. right now it's the second gen, for sure, as they are getting quite a bit more exposure in the media.

yes, even the fourth genners are being seen and heard, as horsepowerTV has two of them in some stage of production. i am not against doing up a mustang, as that is also a very popular car for enthusiasts at this point in time - there are a ton of them out on the road. there is also room for a project on a sport truck or SUV. i think it's important not to let personal feelings enter into this, as if it does become commercially viable, we would want to appeal to as many people out there as is possible. while i am personally against japanese or korean cars, if it is decided that one of those cars would bring viewers, then it will be done.

[Tru2Chevy]

Count me out....I have class every Tuesday and Wednesday till the middle of december. :(

- Justin

[bencar]

ok, everyone, weigh in on availability this wednesday, october 6, 2004...

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we should plan to meet at 6:00 p.m. or as shortly thereafter as is humanly possible. which project(s) are we filming, al? make sure that person(people) is(are) available. i haven't seen the storyboard yet, so i think this is a little premature, but if everyone else is available i will not hold the project up. the lack of a storyboard may make it run slowly or chaotic, but i am available and will show up to do my part.

on the other issues, i don't think we should tackle anything other than f-bodies at this point. while the show is Average Joe's, it is for and will be produced by f-body enthusiasts. we can certainly talk about other projects/vehicles at a later date. there are a ton of third generation f-bodies on the market and they either are or will be the next big 'cheap' (read: affordable) project available to enthusiasts. right now it's the second gen, for sure, as they are getting quite a bit more exposure in the media.

yes, even the fourth genners are being seen and heard, as horsepowerTV has two of them in some stage of production. i am not against doing up a mustang, as that is also a very popular car for enthusiasts at this point in time - there are a ton of them out on the road. there is also room for a project on a sport truck or SUV. i think it's important not to let personal feelings enter into this, as if it does become commercially viable, we would want to appeal to as many people out there as is possible. while i am personally against japanese or korean cars, if it is decided that one of those cars would bring viewers, then it will be done.

Damn! :cry: Wednesday, October 6th is the last Metuchen Downtown 'Cruise Night', and since I sort of helped get that thing going, I have to be there. Is there a possibility of maybe Thursday the 14th? If not, then I don't want to be the 'Monkey Wrench' in the works.

[j0n]

ok yea i havent looked in this post like ever cuz i thought it would be too complicated for a 17 yr old...but now that im lookin i kin be the gopher(go for this, go for that) or pilot(pile it here, pile it there) and i have no trouble offering my car up 2 be butchered :lol: ...it needs o2 sensors, i needa replace an exhaust manifold gasket...and the engine bay could use some cleaning up(hiding wires, etc.)...i think i may be available for this wednesday...soccer permitting...so put me down as a maybe

p.s. sorry about my overuse of "..." :P

[jims69camaro]

ok, i had a point to make, but i think it's already been made.

this type of thing cannot just be thrown together and done at the drop of a hat. this was proven by the response (and lack thereof) given by those who had an interest in it. i agree with striking while the iron is hot, but there is also a process called Rockwell hardening that heats the metal over and over again until it will cut through anything - including other metals. i won't discuss this but this one time, that i am all for this and i will push to get it done, but we have many people's schedule to take into account and there is the issue of running off half-cocked :oops: that i'd rather not do again. if people had some time, even a few weeks, to plan their lives around this (yeah, some of them have lives) then i believe it will come together nicely.

patience is needed when developing any group-effort project. the reasons why i set the original goal for spring time are many, and scheduling was just one of them. i do not want to be outside in the freezing cold trying to keep a camera steady or, worse, trying to hold onto a wrench. if this project idea had happened earlier in the year, then i think we could've worked around a couple of brisk fall days rather than bitter cold winter.

ok, enough soapbox. i would like to have the preliminary stuff done first before we even get together to set the cameras up, or clean someone's garage out so we have someplace to film. it will happen so much smoother that way. i don't think anyone can disagree with that.

i will continue to push for this project, because i believe in it and i believe it can be something out of the ordinary - perhaps even moderately successful. like i said before, i will never get in the way of progress. and if i ever do, and i am not aware of it, i would appreciate it if others could point it out to me. that is, if we are ready to move forward. ;)

[bencar]

ok, i had a point to make, but i think it's already been made.

this type of thing cannot just be thrown together and done at the drop of a hat. this was proven by the response (and lack thereof) given by those who had an interest in it. i agree with striking while the iron is hot, but there is also a process called Rockwell hardening that heats the metal over and over again until it will cut through anything - including other metals. i won't discuss this but this one time, that i am all for this and i will push to get it done, but we have many people's schedule to take into account and there is the issue of running off half-cocked :oops: that i'd rather not do again. if people had some time, even a few weeks, to plan their lives around this (yeah, some of them have lives) then i believe it will come together nicely.

patience is needed when developing any group-effort project. the reasons why i set the original goal for spring time are many, and scheduling was just one of them. i do not want to be outside in the freezing cold trying to keep a camera steady or, worse, trying to hold onto a wrench. if this project idea had happened earlier in the year, then i think we could've worked around a couple of brisk fall days rather than bitter cold winter.

ok, enough soapbox. i would like to have the preliminary stuff done first before we even get together to set the cameras up, or clean someone's garage out so we have someplace to film. it will happen so much smoother that way. i don't think anyone can disagree with that.

i will continue to push for this project, because i believe in it and i believe it can be something out of the ordinary - perhaps even moderately successful. like i said before, i will never get in the way of progress. and if i ever do, and i am not aware of it, i would appreciate it if others could point it out to me. that is, if we are ready to move forward. ;)

Though my response may not indicate it, I do agree with not rushing things. I'm just afraid, hopefully without justification, that if we wait too long to get started, we could wind up with this thing falling apart. One thing I'm now sure of, neither you, or I, want to let this thing die, and with some time, and a bit of luck, we'll have a dynamite program :D . If you can, drop me an E-Mail, for instance, when you're up to a planning session, or other pre-production work on this project.

[ar0ck]

Im only available on the weekends, sorry if it may be an inconvienece. But I work 2 jobs and go to school full time to support my hobby.

But I just ordered my first rounds of easy mods.

RK Sport LT-1 Air-Foil
RK Sport Skip Shift Eliminator
& RK Sport Smoked Head-lights.

And I also have a pro-form shift-light that wants to get installed.

[bencar]

Im only available on the weekends, sorry if it may be an inconvienece. But I work 2 jobs and go to school full time to support my hobby.

But I just ordered my first rounds of easy mods.

RK Sport LT-1 Air-Foil
RK Sport Skip Shift Eliminator
& RK Sport Smoked Head-lights.

And I also have a pro-form shift-light that wants to get installed.

We'll manage somehow to work with everyone's schedules. Never said that this was going to be easy, but we'll manage, hang in there

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, we can always break it up into teams. A few could meet on Weds and discuss about what is going to be done.
Then another crew could get together another day and discuss how they are gunna set up.
Then we could go throug some dry runs, so we dont have to keep taping over and over and editing all of it out.
Then we can tape it and have another team cut it up. Then we watch it before we launch it, and back to square 1.

Just an idea. I can do a lot of stuff tuesday night into weds, friday and saturday nights.

[twiztidz28]

well just an idea since it seems not all of us can get to one place at the same time during the week. we all need to make it to the october meet and sit and talk about some things. just an idea. I know me, alex (even if he doesnt drive ill bring his ass), al, justin, jim, ben should all be at the meet. and anyone else i missed. I'm working a **** load of over time this week so me trying to get out of work to do something is next to impossible. :twisted:

[jims69camaro]

ok yea i havent looked in this post like ever cuz i thought it would be too complicated for a 17 yr old...but now that im lookin i kin be the gopher(go for this, go for that) or pilot(pile it here, pile it there) and i have no trouble offering my car up 2 be butchered :lol: ...it needs o2 sensors, i needa replace an exhaust manifold gasket...and the engine bay could use some cleaning up(hiding wires, etc.)...i think i may be available for this wednesday...soccer permitting...so put me down as a maybe

there is nothing complicated about this, really, it's just a series of simple tasks that in the end will look complicated. :D i welcome anyone who wants to participate, and i am sure we can find more for you to do than be gopher and pilot.

does everyone have the ability to video conference via their computer? i do, as well as voice only conference (thinking about ben's idea for a telephone conference). if this capability exists, i would like to exploit it. we could have smaller group (or larger group, depending on the need) meetings just about every night assuming everyone that needed to be there could be there. we could always start out with an AOHell chatroom and take it from there. i do remember that voice conferencing from my last position used a service - everyone dialed into the same 800 number with the conference number and got connected that way. i'd also like to have a way to record the minutes, so what has been discussed and decided on can be refreshed at the beginning of each new meeting. it keeps the idea fires stoked and also keeps us from rehashing things that don't need to be discussed further. and, naturally, that is so much easier to do with the computer...

i'd like to say that i'll be at the october meet for sure, as it's in my old hometown, but winter's are especially rough for me physically. it's day-to-day for me, although i have every intention of making it.

[bencar]

ok yea i havent looked in this post like ever cuz i thought it would be too complicated for a 17 yr old...but now that im lookin i kin be the gopher(go for this, go for that) or pilot(pile it here, pile it there) and i have no trouble offering my car up 2 be butchered :lol: ...it needs o2 sensors, i needa replace an exhaust manifold gasket...and the engine bay could use some cleaning up(hiding wires, etc.)...i think i may be available for this wednesday...soccer permitting...so put me down as a maybe

there is nothing complicated about this, really, it's just a series of simple tasks that in the end will look complicated. :D i welcome anyone who wants to participate, and i am sure we can find more for you to do than be gopher and pilot.

does everyone have the ability to video conference via their computer? i do, as well as voice only conference (thinking about ben's idea for a telephone conference). if this capability exists, i would like to exploit it. we could have smaller group (or larger group, depending on the need) meetings just about every night assuming everyone that needed to be there could be there. we could always start out with an AOHell chatroom and take it from there. i do remember that voice conferencing from my last position used a service - everyone dialed into the same 800 number with the conference number and got connected that way. i'd also like to have a way to record the minutes, so what has been discussed and decided on can be refreshed at the beginning of each new meeting. it keeps the idea fires stoked and also keeps us from rehashing things that don't need to be discussed further. and, naturally, that is so much easier to do with the computer...

i'd like to say that i'll be at the october meet for sure, as it's in my old hometown, but winter's are especially rough for me physically. it's day-to-day for me, although i have every intention of making it.

If the phone conferencing thing can be set up, that would work for me. If not, the Chatroom idea would be an alternative. We just need to set up some type of protocol for recognizing each person as they want to say something, pretty much like you'd do at a physical meeting

Ah, the fun of getting things organized :lol:

[jims69camaro]

for the meetings we could adopt the Robert's Rules of Parliamentary Procedure, also known as Robert's Rules of Order and simply, Robert's Rules. i know the name sounds intimidating, but it's really just a group of rules to govern parliament, meetings, organizations, etc. anyone wishing more info can check out Robert's Rules Online (http://www.rulesonline.com/).

or we could just take turns talking, going down the list of attendees. of course, respect would have to be given to the person speaking, everyone else would have to take notes if there are any questions and then bring them up when it's their turn. kind of simplistic, but i've seen it work well.

what is a good date/time to try to set up a meeting? i am available whenever, but wednesday night seems to work for some. all you'd have to do is get near a computer with internet access and AOHell installed on it to participate in the conference.

i will check into the costs of the 800 number conference calls, as that seems like a good idea and no one would have to worry about it being a toll call.

[bencar]

If I get the bondo work done on the 'Daily Driver', then next Wednesday would work for me. If for any reason I run into an extra day's work, then hopefully by Thursday of next week, I'd be available, or any night thereafter. If all else fails, and someone doesn't mind, then I could always call a designated 'Contact Person', in order to get up to speed on things.

Having run a few meetings, it was exactly 'Roberts Rules of Order' that In was thinking of. It would probably be the fairest way to run the conference.

My schedule may be a nightmare, but as long as there's some way for me to stay in touch, I'll manage to do so.

[bencar]

Um Jim, did my last suggestion sound feasible to you?

[jims69camaro]

designated contact person? sure. or was it something else?

[bencar]

designated contact person? sure. or was it something else?

That be it. I just want to make sure that if for any reason I can't make a planning session, I still have someone who's able to spare the time to bring me up to speed on what happened.

[jims69camaro]

my whole reasoning behind recording the minutes.

[bencar]

my whole reasoning behind recording the minutes.

Okay, but please, when and as feasible, let me know who I can talk to, I talk better than I type :lol: Oh, and thanks for all you've done thus far to move this project along.

:idea: On a separate note here, I had a sort of idea, mind you it's only an idea, but it might be worth pursing. I know a guy who owns a 'Repair Shop' in Edison, he already does a morning 'Radio Show' on 'Car Repair', and maybe, just maybe, he might warm to the idea of us filming in his Shop, that is if he can get around the ever present 'Insurance' hurdle. My only fear though of involving this guy, is that he might try to shanghai our project. I can't say for certain that he'd do something like that, but it is a concern of mine.

So, what do you think? Should I approach this guy about our project?

[jims69camaro]

yeah, i had thought about that when this idea first surfaced, but never said anything about it for the reasons you list.

i get an antsy feeling involving anyone outside of our little group. call it a control thing (yes, i am a control freak) or whatever, but i just get the willies thinking about losing our project to someone not even involved in the website/car club. there are no copyrights involved, and there really is nothing to copyright at this point other than the idea, which is kind of pointless until we have something else.

what does this guy's shop look like? i mean, cleanliness is next to godliness and all, which is why i had the idea of someone's garage which is an extension of their home, and thereby an extension of their image (mostly clean, is where i am going). take a look at any of the shows on TV at this point, and you'll see elaborately decorated sets. they really are just rented space in an industrial park (look at Two Guy's Garage the next time they are outside). this could be something we could shoot for after some money looks at our project and decides to back us for serious production - i am getting way ahead of where the project is at this point. i always have tried to stay on the ground, which is why you'll see way back when this post started i said "don't think we'll make anything on this" and stuff like that. we may be way off base as far as what a producer would want to see in the saturday line-up of the powerblock, but that's not the reason i wanted to get this project off the ground to begin with. i'd lose my job, at the very least. which would make me very happy. seriously.

it's an awesome idea - Average Guy's - plain and simple. it's something i would enjoy watching, not to mention getting in there behind the scenes.

so, i guess if this guy's shop is halfway decent, and it's not a major trek for anyone to get to, and no one objects to it, and we can get him to sign a waiver, and we sign waivers against his insurance (if we get hurt there we are on our own, just like if we were in our own garages)... i guess we could make it work.

that is, unless someone with a garage will let us film there.

[bencar]

Here's what I know of this guy. I know him for about 5 years, but really never had any work done by him. Though I wouldn't outright say he would steal our idea, I couldn't absolutely say he wouldn't. And I can't say that I disagree with you on the concept of keeping things within our own little circle.

As far as the cleanliness of this guy's shop goes, I would suffice it to say that it's no cleaner, or dirtier than any working repair shop. The main advantage, if any, to this place, is that it has five bays, lifts etc.

Oh well, the more I think about it, the less I like my idea. Back to square one I guess.

[jims69camaro]

it's a good thing to take up space on one of the back burners... at the least. i've got a couple of things back there that might find their time and place to be presented. thanks for bringing it up.

at some point htis week, i will go back over the needs/haves list so we know where we are with this. i'd like to have an online meeting as well.

[Tru2Chevy]

Although having a shop like that with lots of space and a lift is nice (believe me, Dad manages a 3 bay Mobil station, and I take full advantage), I think it gets away from the 'Average Guys' theme. The average car enthusiast doesn't have access to a lift. Why should we use one on the show? I say break out the jackstands!

- Justin

[bencar]

it's a good thing to take up space on one of the back burners... at the least. i've got a couple of things back there that might find their time and place to be presented. thanks for bringing it up.

at some point htis week, i will go back over the needs/haves list so we know where we are with this. i'd like to have an online meeting as well.

:cheers: Let me know when you plan on having the meeting, I should be available the rest of this week, but I would like to know a day or so ahead of time when the meeting is supposed to be, so I don't get myself involved in a project (i.e., tune-up on the 60 Plymouth) :grampsch: .

[jims69camaro]

Although having a shop like that with lots of space and a lift is nice (believe me, Dad manages a 3 bay Mobil station, and I take full advantage), I think it gets away from the 'Average Guys' theme. The average car enthusiast doesn't have access to a lift. Why should we use one on the show? I say break out the jackstands!

- Justin

yeah, the lift thing was mentioned earlier and i think i replied the same as you just did. not a whole lotta sense in throwing something up on a lift except for camera angle. we don't want our cameramen laying on their backs under the car, too... or do we? :twisted:

[bencar]

Although having a shop like that with lots of space and a lift is nice (believe me, Dad manages a 3 bay Mobil station, and I take full advantage), I think it gets away from the 'Average Guys' theme. The average car enthusiast doesn't have access to a lift. Why should we use one on the show? I say break out the jackstands!

- Justin

yeah, the lift thing was mentioned earlier and i think i replied the same as you just did. not a whole lotta sense in throwing something up on a lift except for camera angle. we don't want our cameramen laying on their backs under the car, too... or do we? :twisted:

Um Camerapeople on their backs, hmm :lol: Got to keep this thing PG rated-Don't we :?

[SpeakersGoBoom]

A friend of mine might be able to help us. Hes in Ridgewood High School in their TV club or whatever they call it. Anyway, they supposedly have time on cable tv. He wants to do a show or something about cars...if i can get him to refocus off of drag racing, he might be able to help us out.

[jims69camaro]

he doesn't need to refocus off of drag racing, just get him to see the big picture: from installation to performance at the track. we would appreciate some 'professional' help with this, and it sounds like this kid is learning the ropes. let him know about us and find out if he's willing to help out.

there should be an announcement shortly regarding the meeting.

[ar0ck]

The Camaro's time for an oil-change is comming up :lol:

[jims69camaro]

The Camaro's time for an oil-change is comming up :lol:

how involved is this oil change? is it like bolting on two somethings, connecting a couple of coolant lines and an oil line, strapping new pulleys on and a fat belt?

or are you really just changing the oil?

[SpeakersGoBoom]

Talked to dan (the video kid) and he said he can do it, and he got the ok from the moderator at his school.

[jims69camaro]

hey, that's good news. what is his availability? does he have access to a computer connected to the internet at home? does he have an email account that i could start communication with him through?

i'd really like to have him join us for the online meeting, which the day and time will be announced shortly (sometime next week will be the actual meeting).

i wonder what kind of equipment he has access to? maybe some professional type cameras? i wonder what his school budget was for that program, and what they spent it on (if anything...) all the more reason why i'd like him to join us next week. please pass on the word - or have him join the site if possible.

[bencar]

Movin right along :cheers: Now if anything goes haywire, I'll lose it, ur somethin like that :twisted:

I'll probably be doing some engine painting and a 'Water Outlet Gasket' on my 60 Plymouth Monday or Tuesday, but expect to be available Wednesday and Friday nights

[jims69camaro]

nah, any small problem can be resolved quickly and efficiently. the large problems are just a series of smaller problems that take a little more time to resolve, but they, too, can be fixed.

i never give up. once i take on a project, i see it through 'til the end. it's called perserverance, and i am a scorpio.

:D

[bencar]

nah, any small problem can be resolved quickly and efficiently. the large problems are just a series of smaller problems that take a little more time to resolve, but they, too, can be fixed.

i never give up. once i take on a project, i see it through 'til the end. it's called perserverance, and i am a scorpio.

:D
My Dad called that 'Bulldog Persistenece', and I inherited that trait. The losin part, that's only mementary interuption on the way to plowing ahead

[bencar]

Talked to dan (the video kid) and he said he can do it, and he got the ok from the moderator at his school.

Could be worse, like not being able to figure out what TA-TOY means on an NJ License plate :lol: . The more important thing though, is it sounds like this guy can really help this project out.

[SpeakersGoBoom]

if you guys want to get in touch with him directly, his screen name is ANGELEYESnastro. Hes on pretty much all the time in the afternoons after school.

[jims69camaro]

be sure to tell him about the meeting tomorrow. i've added him to my buddy list, but since he was inactive for over an hour i didn't bother him.

if it looks like he is around later i will invite him, but just in case i don't get in touch with him, be sure to give him the message. and thanks for the tip on this kid. i have a feeling he can help out quite a bit.

[bencar]

be sure to tell him about the meeting tomorrow. i've added him to my buddy list, but since he was inactive for over an hour i didn't bother him.

if it looks like he is around later i will invite him, but just in case i don't get in touch with him, be sure to give him the message. and thanks for the tip on this kid. i have a feeling he can help out quite a bit.


Every little bit helps, and from what I've read of what this kid has to offer us, he's got more than just a little bit to bring to the table :cheers:

[bencar]

Jims69Camaro,

Looks like I've found, and successfully gotten on the Group's AIM 'Chatroom.' The 'Chatroom' name is NJFBOA. So, unless I hear differently, I'll sign on to that 'Chatroom' tomorrow night around 7:00 P.M.

[BigAls87Z28]

tomorrow's chat room will be called AGCS and will be for only discussing the show.

[bencar]

tomorrow's chat room will be called AGCS and will be for only discussing the show.
Okay

[bencar]

Okay, we had our first Online meeting for this thing, and from my perspective, WHAT A MEETING! :cheers: A lot of good ideas were put forth, and some solid offers of much needed Lighting equipment, Camera equipment, and project cars came out of this first of many meetings. For those who were there, well, you know how good this thing will be. For those who missed this first meeting, well, it's not too late to join in.

[jims69camaro]

i'd have to echo ben's words. i'd hate for anyone to sit back now and later realize that they missed out on something really cool. we're talking high quality video with the camera this kid's got access to, plus he sounds like he's fairly in demand as far as paying gigs. there isn't a better accolade i could hear about someone like this getting involved in our little thing.

as was posted before, there will be stuff for people to do. it's not that you're not needed - you are. i am sure roles for people will develop as we go along. we really can't expect to get this off the ground without member participation. how many times are you going to have the opportunity to get involved in something like this on the ground floor, to be able to watch it grow from an idea to a television quality show?

[bencar]

Just some more thoughts here. We had our first meeting, things are starting to move along, there've been over 175 viewings of this topic-So, what's up with everyone? We have a fantastic opportunity at our feet here, and only a handful of people have stepped forward so far. Why? :?

[Tru2Chevy]

there've been over 175 viewings of this topic-So, what's up with everyone?

Actually there have been 149 replies, and 991 views :D

I'm still watching it, and throwing out ideas when I have them.

- Justin

[bencar]

there've been over 175 viewings of this topic-So, what's up with everyone?

Actually there have been 149 replies, and 991 views :D

I'm still watching it, and throwing out ideas when I have them.

- Justin

Yeah, I realized that after my post, that I goofed. But, the question still remains-What's up with everyone? :? Except of course for the handful like yourself, who HAVE been active in terms of coming up with ideas, and just generally showing that you're as interested as I am in seeing this thing succeed, there are a whole bunch who are just sitting on the sidelines, and we can absolutely use their help, in whatever capacity that is. I know this can be something big, my biggest fear, is that I don't let anyone down, and other than that, not much else.

[ar0ck]

I was still waiting to hear, if it was going to go as recorded, or are we getting hooked up to get it on the air.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yeah, I realized that after my post, that I goofed. But, the question still remains-What's up with everyone? :? Except of course for the handful like yourself, who HAVE been active in terms of coming up with ideas, and just generally showing that you're as interested as I am in seeing this thing succeed, there are a whole bunch who are just sitting on the sidelines, and we can absolutely use their help, in whatever capacity that is. I know this can be something big, my biggest fear, is that I don't let anyone down, and other than that, not much else.

I wouldn't worry about others too much. You can't expect everyone here to want to be involved in something like this. There are over 200 members here so far, and many of them are here for different reasons. I'm sure some people don't have the time to devote to something like this, and some of the people that do just aren't interested.

We have enough people involved right now to get this idea rolling, and we know this because it has already started picking up speed. I think as the idea develops more, and we gear up to begin filming, we will have more specific needs from people, and when that happens, others will jump in to help.

- Justin

[j0n]

just like justin said we need a list or something similar with what is needed by a certain date...aka cars/cameras/setup crew/ etc...

imo thats the best way to get a filming session started

[bencar]

Yeah, I realized that after my post, that I goofed. But, the question still remains-What's up with everyone? :? Except of course for the handful like yourself, who HAVE been active in terms of coming up with ideas, and just generally showing that you're as interested as I am in seeing this thing succeed, there are a whole bunch who are just sitting on the sidelines, and we can absolutely use their help, in whatever capacity that is. I know this can be something big, my biggest fear, is that I don't let anyone down, and other than that, not much else.

I wouldn't worry about others too much. You can't expect everyone here to want to be involved in something like this. There are over 200 members here so far, and many of them are here for different reasons. I'm sure some people don't have the time to devote to something like this, and some of the people that do just aren't interested.

We have enough people involved right now to get this idea rolling, and we know this because it has already started picking up speed. I think as the idea develops more, and we gear up to begin filming, we will have more specific needs from people, and when that happens, others will jump in to help.

- Justin

From your mouth, to g-d's ears :)

But, I do have to say, that I was very disappointed I didn't even see one person from this group, at the 'NJ Agricultural Museum' 'Car Show.' Sort of reminds me of the 'NY/NJ Slant-Six Club of America' that I run. We have at least 48 members who live close enough to make it to our annual Meet, all of whom get a Flyer for the event, and we're lucky if we get 10-15 of those to actually show up for the event.


I suppose though that the good news, is that the 'Average Guy's Car Show', is moving forward :cheers:

[jims69camaro]

that's just the nature of people, ben. it'd be the same if there were free beer and hot wings and all they had to do was show up - hands down more would either forget, have something else to do or just not show up for whatever reason (laziness, unsociable, fears/phobias - the list is a long one).

i can agree that with those type of people the harder you push, the less likely they are to do something. which is why as hard as i have been pushing the idea i will draw the line at trying to get people who have not responded involved in it (even though i have to catch myself sometimes...). i will make the suggestion from time to time, just to be sure that the newer members get an opportunity to respond to it and that those who saw no potential in it to begin with, know that this is something that will happen, but the people who have left themselves out have done so for a reason and no matter what you, i or anyone says, they have made up their mind they don't want to get into it (at this time).

as stated, the closer we get to actually filming and certain tasks are available, that will be another opportunity for those who have left themselves out, or are waiting for a specific task that they can fulfill be their motivating force to get involved, to avail themselves at that time.

within the next day or so i will crunch the list again so we know what we have and what we need at this time. we need wireless mics for filming. we need people to finalize in their own mind the entire process that they are volunteering their vehicles for, and then get that process out on a piece of paper or in an email (sent to me or Al), be sure they can afford the parts (and get everything they need prior to filming). not to single you out, but you have said you'd like to do a segment on detailing the engine bay (which makes for an excellent example as some people just think, oh, ok, he's going to clean the engine). what cleaners will you use, how will you protect the electrical system from exposure, what exactly are the steps involved in the whole process, what additional resources will you need? we're going to need as detailed explanation as possible so that we allot the correct amount of time to the process. is this something you can do yourself, others can help out with, you just need one other pair of hands... ? i am sure most people have not even considered cleaning their engine bay only because they have no idea where to get started.

so, you see, just as someone who is going to replace/upgrade their front suspension, there is a process to what you will be doing and the storyboard needs to reflect that. to date all we have are a few ideas floating around that pretty much everyone can agree on should be included in filming. what i thought was going to be a storyboard meeting ended up being a bull-session (which i imagine most get-togethers will be, anyway) but it was productive none-the-less, as we have a few more people on board. i'd like to get my engine buildup involved in the process, but i am not sure that it falls under "average guy" or that people would actually be able to sit through an engine building (even partially)... and, i am not altogether sure it would be appropriate as this is the first bottom-to-top buildup i've ever done, and i'll most likely have my nose buried in a book to make sure i don't make a mistake. or if the timeline that is going to be involved would coincide with my plans for getting it into the car it's going into, which leads me to the next thing...

filming will take place in the spring. it's almost cast in stone. the semi-pro we will have helping us out agreed that spring would be a good time to start filming, as he has other committments until then and he thinks that since this will be our first sojourn into filmmaking that we'll need the time to complete pre-production before the first camera gets unpacked. hell, if we get close enough and we can find a weekend before then to do some experimenting on our own before spring, i say we do it. it'll give us that much more exposure to this before we actually get together to film the material we'll need for the pilot. but there are quite a few steps that need to be covered prior to that date so that we'll all be comfortable filming - and not feel like complete jackasses.

[Savage_Messiah]

Where would this all be taking place?

[Tru2Chevy]

Where would this all be taking place?

Still looking for someone who has a nice garage, or an open, flat driveway (if we absolutly can't find a garagae) that we can use for filming.

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

I have a garage we can't even fit a car into and a ****** ass driveway :? so i can't really help there, but I'll definately keep an eye on waht I can contribute. Very soon I'm gonna be getting tires, then possibly a cat-back (TSP rumbler) after that, would these make good projects?

[jims69camaro]

you'd be surprised how much people don't know about their cars. hell, even people who like to go fast don't know that an R compound tire is better for autocrossing - they assume since the technology started on the 1/4 mile track, then that's where it belongs. once you put sticky tires on all four corners, even two cars that were evenly matched prior to the rubber change are not quite so afterwards. also, what's the difference between a 10,000 mile tire and a 50,000 mile tire? why wouldn't a 50,000 mile tire make a good quartermile track tire?

and, since most people take their car to meineke (not a bad thing) when doing exhaust modifications, and don't attempt it in their driveway, and the other shows basically gloss over exhaust changes, they really have very little concept how the twists and turns go together (or why you'd need them, why not just a straight pipe?).

both of these ideas would make excellent segments.

[Savage_Messiah]

Sweet... I'd better get saving then :twisted: haha

[bencar]

I know you're right Jim, it's still disappointing though, but somehow, I'll get over that. Heck, I've managed to somehow put up with the laziness in the 'NY/NJ Slant-Six Club of America' for 17 years now, so, I'll grouse, and move on with what I can do.

My actual idea for a segment, was a bit simpler actually than a full scale engine bay clean-up. What I had in mind, was more along the lines of either a 'touch-up' detailing job on engine paint, which as simple as that is, may still seem daunting to a lot of folks, or possibly something slightly more involved, such as the partial repainting of the engine in my 1960 Plymouth. In either case, I know what I needed or would need for either job, and it consists more of time, part removal and cleaning (i.e. removal of old paint, minor rust, and refinishing), than it does of anything ele. The refinishing part is especially daunting to many folks, because they think you have to have all kinds of fancy spray equipment, when in fact a simple can of aerosol paint works great, when applied pretty much according to the instructions on the can.

Now about that jackass thing :lol: . Gee, you mean like when one screws up something that they know they shouldn't have, and then stand there with that-Don't I look stupid now-expression, like has happened to me one too many times.

[jims69camaro]

i was speaking more for myself than anyone else. i don't like looking like a jackass, and i try to avoid it at all costs, even if it means not getting to do what i want when i want to do it.

planning, planning, planning...

i guess al's too busy with his new board to come over and check things out here. i haven't talked with him since the day before the meeting...

[bencar]

i was speaking more for myself than anyone else. i don't like looking like a jackass, and i try to avoid it at all costs, even if it means not getting to do what i want when i want to do it.

planning, planning, planning...

i guess al's too busy with his new board to come over and check things out here. i haven't talked with him since the day before the meeting...

Understood. No insult intended, and if any taken, I do apologize for that. I simply meant to show that I've had some things go haywire, even with the best of planning, and many times due to my own mistakes, which makes me a lot less likely to be critical of someone else when the same thing happens to them.

Hope Al has some dynamite 'Storyboards' to show you when you do catch up with him. I still have high hopes for this project, and pray that nothing in my personal life what-so-ever, gets in the way of seeing this thing through

[BigAls87Z28]

I got ideas out the rear end, and then some.
I cant put my ideas on paper...its all locked inside the maze that is my mind. 8)

Im ready to start planning the shows when you are. Lets get all our ducks in a row, and then we can go ahead and meld them together.

[bencar]

Hey Al, it seems that you and I have something in common. Both of our minds are like a maze, in my case, a somewhat twisted one :twisted: :metoo: :lol:

Look out world, here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :cheers: :burnout: :grampsch: :D

[SpeakersGoBoom]

Dont know if anyone's seen it, but theres a shop on Rt 17s in Ramsey...Ramsey Pugeot. (Did i spell that right?) Believe it or not, that place is not out of buisness, despite how it looks. I've been inside there once. The garage in there is pretty big, and i think they may even have a lift. On top of that, they have a pretty big parking lot. If someone would go talk to the owner, MAYBE, just MAYBE, to get some publicity for his shop (namely, having RAMSEY PEUGOT on the top of the building on camera) he may help us out.

[jims69camaro]

that's not such a bad idea. i'll give him a call monday morning and we'll see what he's got to say.

[bencar]

Hope this works out, it sounds like it might work, just be certain that this guy can be trusted not to shanghai our project

[bencar]

Now, if any of you've viewed the how old are you posts, the question now becomes-Still want to work with one of the 'Over-The-Hill', and 'Through-The-Woods' gang? :grampsch: :burnout:

[jims69camaro]

ben, you were asking for something to do a little while ago...

get together a possible list of products/manufacturers/distributors that we would likely use. gather as much information as you can on each. keep it simple, like your engine detailing segment, cat-back exhaust or something of the like. i want to try an experiment with one of them.

[bencar]

ben, you were asking for something to do a little while ago...

get together a possible list of products/manufacturers/distributors that we would likely use. gather as much information as you can on each. keep it simple, like your engine detailing segment, cat-back exhaust or something of the like. i want to try an experiment with one of them.

I'll go with the simplest one, the engine detailing job. The list for that one is very short.

1. Paint (Plasti-Kote) for the Pontiac Blue I use, Krylon for the Bright Silver,
Home Depot for the 'Satin Black.'

2. Artists Brushes (Pearl Art Center in Woodbridge NJ or Michaels in North Brunswick)

3. Lacquer Thinner (Home Depot)

4. Masking Tape (Home Depot)

5. Old Newspaper and Tin Foil for masking when doing large section repainting.

Like I had said earlier on, many people would be scared off from attempting even something like a minor touch-up job on the engine in their car, because they don't realize how simple it really is.

[jims69camaro]

thanks. i'll let you know about the experiment once i get results.

[bencar]

thanks. i'll let you know about the experiment once i get results.

I'll be awaiting the results, and best of luck :cheers:

[bencar]

:D :grampsch: :burnout: :omg: :cheers: :nod:

[SpeakersGoBoom]

If we want a long running project, I may be able to donate a car, provided i get it back when its done. a 1970 GTO in rough shape, but i believe its numbers matching, and with 80k on the odometer, fixed up, it could be pretty nice. Just a thought. It could be like, something that ties all of the episodes together. One episode contains working on the interior, one on the engine, etc. It gives us a topic, and it actually gets the ball rolling on this damn project (it was my dad's back in college, and it was banished to the far side of the garage by the evil Queen Mother and spent almost 20 years in exile...but now it has returned, and with a vengence. It has advanced from the mud, to the far side of the driveway, all the way to the neer side of the driveway. I'l take some pics of it to show anyone whos going to the November meet.

[SpeakersGoBoom]

And, if we want a quick project, i should be alble to convince my dad to give us his 85 Ford F-250 POS. We fix it up into sellable condition, and then he can sell it for better money. I dont know why, but the recent trend these days is that peole are paying more money for cars with working brakes and steering that isnt all over the road. :roll: who woulda thought? :lol:

[bencar]

Both projects sound good to me. If you still need a filler project, I'll do that thing on minor detailing and touch-up on your show car. As you saw, it's a small project, but it is something that some people are afraid of. If we show them it's not a daunting task, then we've accomplished something.
Oh, and on that ford thing, here's a few of my own:

1. Have you driven a Ford lately? No mine's in the Shop again.

2. Ford, where quality is job one. Unfortunately we skipped right to job 10, which is-get this thing out of here before anyone notices all the defects.

3. Ford, built for the way you live. Assuming that you're terminally ill, and will be dead in a week.

4. Built Ford tough (translation, made out of recycled 'Silly Putty').

And of course there are more. :lol:

[Tru2Chevy]

Stolen from someones sig on CZ28....

New Ford Commercials: "If you haven't looked at a Ford lately, look again.
Me: ::Glances in rearview mirror:: "Yup, still there!"

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

Best one of all time......but its not from me.

Dont knock Fords, man. 98% of all Fords are still on the road...the other 2% made it home.
-Fasterthanyou

[jims69camaro]

thanks. i'll let you know about the experiment once i get results.

I'll be awaiting the results, and best of luck :cheers:

well, it's pretty much evident that we're gonna need some cash along the line with this thing. i'm just trying to hunt down some of that green stuff, or in lieu of cold hard cash, i'd take product.

[bencar]

thanks. i'll let you know about the experiment once i get results.

I'll be awaiting the results, and best of luck :cheers:

well, it's pretty much evident that we're gonna need some cash along the line with this thing. i'm just trying to hunt down some of that green stuff, or in lieu of cold hard cash, i'd take product.

That's my perpetual problem, no money to do anything of any great consequence :( . Which is also the main reason I suggested an extremely low budget thing, like that engine detailing project. The paint is relatively inexpensive, the 'Artist's Brushes' are also pretty inexpensive, as are the remaining supplies needed to do the job. I also figured on showing how to touch up an already clean engine, so as to further keep costs down, and so as to make for a project that wouldn't be as likely to scare off a 'first timer.'

Hope that helps things along a least a little bit :)

[bencar]

Best one of all time......but its not from me.

Dont knock Fords, man. 98% of all Fords are still on the road...the other 2% made it home.
-Fasterthanyou

Yeah, and that's where you're likely to find the one I drive as a 'Daily Driver', on the road, possibly all over the road :lol:, maybe even making it all the way home :cheers:

[SpeakersGoBoom]

Best one of all time......but its not from me.

Dont knock Fords, man. 98% of all Fords are still on the road...the other 2% made it home.
-Fasterthanyou

really? when did he say that?

[bencar]

Best one of all time......but its not from me.

Dont knock Fords, man. 98% of all Fords are still on the road...the other 2% made it home.
-Fasterthanyou

really? when did he say that?
Right after he saw the wreck I drive every day. Now there's a 'project' and a half. Only catch, we'd need a 'Warner Brothers' budget to do anything with this heap of mine :lol: :kneeslap: :funny:

[TVGUYnastro]

Well i know karl and i believe that he has talked to you guys about me, i c what you guys want and i will deliever for you guys. I am a professional on all of this, and i have state-of-the-art equiptment. I will be checking up on this and if u have any questions im happy to help out.

[bencar]

Well i know karl and i believe that he has talked to you guys about me, i c what you guys want and i will deliever for you guys. I am a professional on all of this, and i have state-of-the-art equiptment. I will be checking up on this and if u have any questions im happy to help out.

:cheers: I don't think I have to tell you this, but I will, your help and expertise, are an invaluable asset to this project. Of course with a little luck, some perseverance, and maybe a yet to be known cash benefactor, this can be something really great, and even without that benefactor, your help will still give this project the big push it needs to make it become a reality

[SpeakersGoBoom]

took you long enough to get here! :roll: Jesus! Only tony drags his feet harder than you.

"Dude, lets take the car to the track next weekend"
"AWSOME! LETS DO IT!"
(next weekend)
"lets go!"
"I dont know man...i mean, the sway bar is disconnected, and the car overheats...and i mean, it doesnt have slicks...." :roll: :roll: :roll:

just kidding. welcome (finally)

[bencar]

took you long enough to get here! :roll: Jesus! Only tony drags his feet harder than you.

"Dude, lets take the car to the track next weekend"
"AWSOME! LETS DO IT!"
(next weekend)
"lets go!"
"I dont know man...i mean, the sway bar is disconnected, and the car overheats...and i mean, it doesnt have slicks...." :roll: :roll: :roll:

just kidding. welcome (finally)

Better he made it here late, than never

[BigAls87Z28]

well, I just got a whole bunch of free time. Let me know when we want to get this party started.

[bencar]

well, I just got a whole bunch of free time. Let me know when we want to get this party started.

As soon as practical for all involved I'd figure :burnout: :grampsch:

[Savage_Messiah]

I've been thinkign about making and installing a custom CAI. Does anyone have access to tools to do mandrel bending? i think this could make for a good show

[ar0ck]

I've been thinkign about making and installing a custom CAI. Does anyone have access to tools to do mandrel bending? i think this could make for a good show

I did mine with a APC Universal Intake pipe :D

[bencar]

I've been thinkign about making and installing a custom CAI. Does anyone have access to tools to do mandrel bending? i think this could make for a good show

I did mine with a APC Universal Intake pipe :D What is that :?:

[bencar]

Too bad that my Garage is so crowded that I can just barely get in around my car, that the car is as far from being an Fbody anything as you could get it, and that the job is done, because I just did a job that would have been perfect for the 'Average Guy's Car Show.'

Seems that despite numerous attempts at resealing the 'Water Outlet' on my 1960 Plymouth's engine, that the 'Water Outlet's' somewhat deteriorated condition, allowed coolant to still seep around it a bit. So, I took the advice of a fellow Hot-rodder, and bought a 'Water Outlet' for a 'Non-Power Steering' equipped 'Slant-Six' car, and then I also bought two pieces of 3/8" I.D. Pipe, which I then measured up against the bosses that existed on the original 'Water Outlet', marked them off accordingly, put them in my Lathe down in the basement, and then cut them precisely to length, so I had the correct height spacers I needed to adapt the 'Non-Power Steering' 'Water Outlet' to my 'Power Steering' equipped car. The entire job took about 1-1/2 hours to complete, and now I have a brand new, hopefully leak proof, 'Water Outlet' on my 1960 Plymouth.

Oh, and no, they don't make the correct 'Water Outlet' anymore, it was a one year oddity, found ONLY on the Full size Plymouths and Dodges equipped with the 'Slant-Six' and 'Power Steering.'

[bencar]

thanks. i'll let you know about the experiment once i get results.


So, how did your experiment work out?

Oh, and did anyone, other than myself happen to read and digest my last post about that 'Water Outlet project of mine? Though I'm not exactly willing to tear that thing apart again for a 'Show and Tell', maybe we could still use the project in some way for the 'Average Guy's Car Show', even if all we did was a brief overview of how it went :idea:

[bencar]

Um Jim-So how did your experiment work out :?

[jims69camaro]

sorry, i've been battling poor health recently. i'll let you know when i get my feet under me again.

[bencar]

sorry, i've been battling poor health recently. i'll let you know when i get my feet under me again.

Oh, sorry to have bothered you then. Hope you feel better soon.