2006 Charger

[BigAls87Z28]

Well...all the rumors of a 4dr "RX-8" style "coupe" seem to be wrong, and its a good mix of 300 and Magnum.

here is the link to allpar.com

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/dodge-charger.html

BUT ITS GOT A HEMI!!

[NJSPEEDER]

i have only seen a few picsw and read 2 or 3 articles about it. nice lookign car, but what a tank. i guess dam-chrys thinks there is room enough for another big ticket wanna be muscle car in the market place.
weighed down by every power feature imaginable, even the new hemi is only going to motivate that thing to mid/high 14's.
i do like the looks of the car. they managed to carry a few of the old styling cues into the newer design in a tasteful manor and the color selections are supposed to be a total throwback(they dusted off sublime and panther pink for the mag shoots i have seen so far).
hopefully they will thin the car a little or find a way to throw more power into it before they actually hit teh street and get laughed off the strip.

later
tim

[79dizZy28]

damn, IMO they're ruining the name of my favorite car of all time :cry: :cry: :soapbox: :hammer: :barf:
now on the other hand, that blue '69 on the bottom of that page i'd do anything for :nod: :nod: :nod: :banana: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[DaytonaDan]

the look of the car disappoints me greatly, the car needs to lose 2 doors(and atleast 500 lbs, C/D has the curb weight at 4100), its almost as disappointing as the look of the new GTO, whcih appears to be a grand prix on steroids (sorry to all those who believe the new GTO is awesome)...car companies need to stop ruining classic names with ugly body styling...

[BigAls87Z28]

I wouldnt call the GTO "ugly". Maybe not exciting or in your face as teh TA's were, but its deffinatly not "ugly".

[Pat]

the look of the car disappoints me greatly, the car needs to lose 2 doors(and atleast 500 lbs, C/D has the curb weight at 4100), its almost as disappointing as the look of the new GTO, whcih appears to be a grand prix on steroids (sorry to all those who believe the new GTO is awesome)...car companies need to stop ruining classic names with ugly body styling...

haha don't mess with al

[TheWraith]

the look of the car disappoints me greatly, the car needs to lose 2 doors(and atleast 500 lbs, C/D has the curb weight at 4100), its almost as disappointing as the look of the new GTO, whcih appears to be a grand prix on steroids (sorry to all those who believe the new GTO is awesome)...car companies need to stop ruining classic names with ugly body styling...

what was the original gto?? a tempest with a big motor. How could the look of the new gto be any more fitting without going retro (which GM said they won't do)? i wouldn't pass judgment on it either until you drive one. sure the looks are pretty cookie cutter, but the performance certainly isn't, and the interior is 10 steps past anything else i've ever seen in a gm car.

obviously you're entitled to your opinion though.

i will say what i see of the new charger is less than impressive though.

[BigAls87Z28]

Talkin and I agree on few things in the past, but the GTO is one

The GTO is THE best sports coupe you can buy right now.
The new GTO is everything the old one was, and then some. Anyone who doesnt think the GTO is much needs to drive one and feel it. No, it wont blow the doors off a 04 Cobra, but it will impress you. Good seat hight, great power(and even more on tap next year) and an AWESOME interior that rivals the best out there. Holden makes a great car, and Im glad to see that GM did what they could to get this car here ASAP.

All this while the new Mustang runs the 1/4 what the Camaro did back in 98....yeah, whoopty doo.

[TheWraith]

The GTO is THE best sports coupe you can buy right now.


i think you captured it right there. A lot of people are probably pissed that it's really not a muscle car. It's a sport coupe. hell, even more of a luxury sport coupe to be honest. it's not supposed to be an f-body replacement, and it's not aimed at the mustang in my opinion. Compare it to the lincoln ls, or the bmw 3 series/M3, or any of the other cars in that segment and you'll see just how amazing it is in terms of price, performance, and luxury.

of course that brings up a completely other argument of should the gto nameplate be on anything but a muscle car? i'm sure there's some argument there, but i don't have a problem with it.

[BigAls87Z28]

aye, good point with that.

I brought it up on another site, and Ill bring it up here. The idea of muscle cars and pony cars and all this really needs to merge into a new, more modern catagory.
Muscle coupe or Muscle Sport Coupe or something.
Muscle cars had its day back int he 60's and 70's, and yes we still can use the term, but even the most advanced Muscle car of teh 60's or 70's cant hold a candle to what GM, Ford, or DCX can do now outside of strait line performance. Now its mroe about the total package then just nailing it down the 1320. To call any modern sports car a "muscle car" would almost be blasphemy. But I guess the muscle car moniker will be around just like the "Hemi".

Anyway...is the GTO a muscle car? In the modern, 21st century deffinition...yes. Does the new GTO live up to the old one? Big hp engine, mid sized car, manual transmission, RWD, and Pontiac grill....sounds good to me.

[DaytonaDan]

you guys are both right, i know the new gto can out perform many other cars and that includes the OLD gtos, and i know the old goats got started on a tempest platform, but it still looks like a grand prix :P

[Pat]

you guys are both right, i know the new gto can out perform many other cars and that includes the OLD gtos, and i know the old goats got started on a tempest platform, but it still looks like a grand prix :P

dude, don't make me post pictures of a 66 gto and a 66 grand prix

[TheWraith]

you guys are both right, i know the new gto can out perform many other cars and that includes the OLD gtos, and i know the old goats got started on a tempest platform, but it still looks like a grand prix :P

dude, don't make me post pictures of a 66 gto and a 66 grand prix

66 grand prix: http://www.pontiacpower.net/pictures/66gp07a.jpg
66 gto: http://canadrance.free.fr/html/photos/66gto.jpg
66 bonneville: http://www.kentuckycarclubs.com/1966PontiacBonnieville.jpg

69 gto: http://www3.sympatico.ca/janca/GTO/Features/haruk-f.jpg
69 firebird: http://www.theclassicfirebirdclub.com/FSMARK-G-69-Firebird.jpg


pontiac has been doing this forever, not to mention most every car manufacturer. hell they're even making cars and trucks look alike anymore just for the brand recognition. every pontiac car looks the same from the front. the 4th gen birds looked a lot like sunfires too.

[EVIL90SS]

Im glad to see now that every car company can ruin a good thing, horrible lookin i think..and 4 door....eeek, well GM f-ed up the GTO and ford...well we dont talk about ford..now i guess it was chrystlers turn, cant wait till they possibly remake the chevelle...prob looks just like every other car like the rest....my opinion about new/retro/reborn cars....they suck donkey dick ! :barf: i got an idea for GM, remake a 55 chevy 210, but make it rounder with 4 doors and some 22in gay wheels and build it off of some other ****ball chassis like everything else, oh yea....a big f-in wing .....retro cars can kiss my white ass.

[skorpion317]

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

[DaytonaDan]

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

thats exactly it, they rushed perfection, so they got a rushed look...glad to see i'm not the only one who was disappointed

[skorpion317]

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

thats exactly it, they rushed perfection, so they got a rushed look...glad to see i'm not the only one who was disappointed

it's not a rushed look at all. they didn't have time to extensively change the Monaro. the two cars are pretty much the same, except for the grille.

[DaytonaDan]

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

thats exactly it, they rushed perfection, so they got a rushed look...glad to see i'm not the only one who was disappointed

it's not a rushed look at all. they didn't have time to extensively change the Monaro. the two cars are pretty much the same, except for the grille.

they should have named the new car the Monaro 7999 or some stupid arbitrary number at the end then, not just added GTO tags and a pretty etchin on the seats

[NJSPEEDER]

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

thats exactly it, they rushed perfection, so they got a rushed look...glad to see i'm not the only one who was disappointed

it's not a rushed look at all. they didn't have time to extensively change the Monaro. the two cars are pretty much the same, except for the grille.

how much woudl you guys change the highest selling sport sedan in australia before selling it in another market that teh look of teh car tested well in market surveys?
any large company like gm does not rush into these things. the proof is that the gto badges and lieknesses had their copyrights renewed 4YEARS before the car was imported. (about 8months ago they renewed all teh "judge" stuff, can't wait to see what they do with that:))
in an age where it is becoming more common for a car to go from computer redering to production in 2 years they took 4 looking into things.
the styling was choosen because the medium aggresive look and stance goes directly after the bimmer and benz crowd that the car is seeking to steal its market share from.

later
tim

[TheWraith]

i think the only thing that you people really are disappointed about with the gto is that it's called the gto. gm enthusiasts have been screaming for years to bring the holden offerings to america, since gm has been seriously lacking in decent rwd v8 offerings, especially for the 03 model year. it was a bold move on gm's part to call it the gto and hey some people might not like it, but i seriously can't believe that any one of you as gm and f-body enthusiasts would not at least admit that bringing a car like the gto/holden monaro here is a big step in the right direction, whether you're digging the styling or not.

[DaytonaDan]

i think the only thing that you people really are disappointed about with the gto is that it's called the gto. gm enthusiasts have been screaming for years to bring the holden offerings to america, since gm has been seriously lacking in decent rwd v8 offerings, especially for the 03 model year. it was a bold move on gm's part to call it the gto and hey some people might not like it, but i seriously can't believe that any one of you as gm and f-body enthusiasts would not at least admit that bringing a car like the gto/holden monaro here is a big step in the right direction, whether you're digging the styling or not.

That is exactly what i was sayin, I think it was a good move to produce the car, and it has a great engine and the styling is rather dull but not ugly, i just dont see the GTO in the car, but hey its just an opinion...

[ar0ck]

Needs more "Coupe-ness"

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes...because 2 doors and teardrop greenhouse doesnt make it "coupey" enough?
Biggest problem most people have with the car is that its called GTO. If this was the Pontiac "Monaro", then everyone would be like,"Why didnt they put hood scoops on it and call it a GTO?"

Like it was pointed out before with reference to the GTO looking like the Grand Prix, and if you look back at old GTO ads, and car review, they said teh same stuff back then how it looked like a "lame Tempest" and how it didnt look like anything serious.
To us now, for thoes who didnt grow up durring the muscle car age, treat Muscle Cars as these mythical giants that roamed the streats, jumping around from huge cams, glasspack mufflers, and all this other drag strip glory when in fact they were just warmed over cars that were already in production.
Take a look at the SS heritage. At first, the SS was just a trim package. You could get an I-6 Impala with SS trim for a few bucks. Only now does SS have this super-natural power to make cars street monsters.

Understand that the GTO was in fact just another GM car, built off the same chassis as the rest of teh B bodies.

The GTO looks like every other de-cladded Pontiac...because it infact IS a Pontiac! Hell, even the Vibe has taken on a more traditonal Pontiac grill.

The present GTO follows almost exactly the same formula what the past GTO did. Sedan-based Coupe, big V8, manual transmission, killer dual exhaust, and of course...who could forget Wide-Track performance!!

If you do not like the GTO because it looks tame, thats fine. But to say its not a GTO or other isnt true.

[skorpion317]

Yes...because 2 doors and teardrop greenhouse doesnt make it "coupey" enough?


i think he meant the Charger, not the GTO. i agree, the Charger needs to look more "coupey".

[skorpion317]

look what else that site says about some upcoming cars:

1. the neon will end in 2006 and a replacement jointly developed by Chrysler and Mitsubishi will come in. the return of the DSM's?

2.The Lancer EVO will come to the US as a Dodge, with extensive Chrysler involvement in engineering in the two door version. The four door will be primarily worked on by Mitsubishi engineers, though members of the Neon ACR team are helping them, thanks to their strong rally and SCCA success. :omg:

3. the Crossfire will be leaving soon.

4. the Viper might get a 10-cyl version of the Hemi. unlikely, but there's rumors.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes, the next gen Neon will be based on the next Lancer platform. Its name will change, and there will be a hatchback.
The success of the SRT4 seems to have spawned a Evo-like Neon.

There will be a new 2dr coupe built off teh Eclipse/Galant chassis, and will show its face at SEMA. It will have a "six pack" engine. Some say it will have a turbo 6cyl engine.

I dont know about the Crossfire leaving soon, but it does ride on the old SLK chassis, and I belive sales have sucked for the Crossfire.

And the news about the hemi-v10 is that it will make a lot of power, and be much smaller, displacment wise, then the Vipers giant 8.3 it has now.
It will also power a larger LX based luxury car from Chrysler.

[TheWraith]

no ****, a lancer based neon? that i'd definitely have to see. i was highly impressed with the evo drivetrain, i just couldn't get the car i wanted with the options i wanted, etc, so that's why i didn't go that route. maybe this will solve that.

[jims69camaro]

i have only seen a few picsw and read 2 or 3 articles about it. nice lookign car, but what a tank. i guess dam-chrys thinks there is room enough for another big ticket wanna be muscle car in the market place.
weighed down by every power feature imaginable, even the new hemi is only going to motivate that thing to mid/high 14's.
i do like the looks of the car. they managed to carry a few of the old styling cues into the newer design in a tasteful manor and the color selections are supposed to be a total throwback(they dusted off sublime and panther pink for the mag shoots i have seen so far).
hopefully they will thin the car a little or find a way to throw more power into it before they actually hit teh street and get laughed off the strip.

later
tim

did anyone catch the rumored cop car (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/dodge_police_car.html)?

[foff667]

i have only seen a few picsw and read 2 or 3 articles about it. nice lookign car, but what a tank. i guess dam-chrys thinks there is room enough for another big ticket wanna be muscle car in the market place.
weighed down by every power feature imaginable, even the new hemi is only going to motivate that thing to mid/high 14's.
i do like the looks of the car. they managed to carry a few of the old styling cues into the newer design in a tasteful manor and the color selections are supposed to be a total throwback(they dusted off sublime and panther pink for the mag shoots i have seen so far).
hopefully they will thin the car a little or find a way to throw more power into it before they actually hit teh street and get laughed off the strip.

later
tim



did anyone catch the rumored cop car (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/dodge_police_car.html)?

yah i saw the article about a week ago up on ls1tech i think...started a big argument there when someone suggested cops would be better off making a toyota camry their vehicle of choice..."slap in a 4 banger so it gets good gas mileage in our time of need" was basically the point the guy tried to make...made for funny reading at least hehe.

[CrAsH]

first off the new charger isnt"ugly par say" but it is a magnum with a trunk. it doesnt fit the name but if it was a coupe maby it would i dunno. but muscle cars were in fact mid sized sedans in coupe with big @$$ engines and were heavy as hell hense y alot of people called them boats.which in fact the new gto is as a few have pointed out but no1 is grasping. the gto is sleek it dosent have as sexy lines as a trans-am ws6 bvut it still does look sexy even if it looks like a flat grand-am or grandprix on steroids. only thing i dont like about the new gto is that the rear window is to big i dont think it fits but i still would buy the car in a NYC heart beat. especially from the picture of an 06 i saw in a magazine 3 months ago 500hp and not plain at all :drool: but each is entilteled to there own opinion.

[Fasterthanyou]

Needs more "Coupe-ness"
:nod:
But the motor... they got that right! 425hp is rather impressive for a n/a engine these days. It's still no LS7 but Chrysler was always a tad behind the general. Until recently when they started sharing technology (displacement on demand). I'm glad the big 3 are working together a bit to fight the plague of import domination. For me, it's always going to be domestic... except for the Harley, they are WAY over priced.

[BigAls87Z28]

There is nothing "shared" with DCX. They downright jacked the Gen III engine design.
GM's DoD and DCX's MDS are a little different I belive. I think that MDS doesnt colapse the lifter, just shuts off a bank of injectors. DoD shuts down both.
Not to mention the engine design for the hemi.
Hemi my ass....

[jims69camaro]

Hemi my ass....

well, it does have the requisite hemispherical combustion chamber... :scratch:

[bad64chevelle]

I personally think that the only company that was successful at going to the "Retro" styling to excite the baby boomer age was Ford (wow thats tough to say...) they are the only ones who actually made a good attempt at making their car look like an older model. No one can deny that. The GTO FWIW looks like a bonneville, the Charger looks like a magnum, but the mustang is the only one that looks like a mustang. From a looks point of view that Charger, and the GTO are UGLY...its a new car what can we say. The mustang actually isnt that bad, yeah the performance may not be at what the GTO is, but if i were to grade a vehicle solely on looks, the mustang takes the trophey HANDS DOWN. Performance would be another story. These cars will NEVER live up to what their ancestors did, but they are atleast a half assed attempt at it. What more can we ask from the car makers these days? No I have never personally ridden in any of these vehicles, therefor I am solely stating my opinion on what these makers were trying to do...go for the retro look.

P.S. If that Chevelle comes out looking the way it does I will be selling mine because that is an insult!!!

Jon

[Fasterthanyou]

There is nothing "shared" with DCX. They downright jacked the Gen III engine design.
GM's DoD and DCX's MDS are a little different I belive. I think that MDS doesnt colapse the lifter, just shuts off a bank of injectors. DoD shuts down both.
Not to mention the engine design for the hemi.
Hemi my ass....
Nope, they do the same thing, both lock the lifters off the cam lobe AND shut down the fuel. There are a few things I still don't understand about DOD but I'm getting my answeres slowely enough through a couple sources. I'll have all my questions answered mid May when I go to the FSAE competition and talk to the GM engineers in person.
You could say that they jacked it but I don't believe it. Both knew exactly what the other was doing and through shared research (by SAE members and papers) they got what they needed from a technical standpoint. Then the R&D was all done seperately. It's just like all the inline 4-cylinders with 16v, they didn't SHARE the D in R&D, just a bunch of the R :) .
Also, the hemi isn't an EXACT classic hemi chamber but it is very close. The valves aren't cantered on a 3D vector, only 2D, but it's still an excellent power maker with that exhaust valve angle. I bet those engines could be sweet talked into making 600hp n/a with just some nice bolt ons and a little porting.

[Oddball]

i have only seen a few picsw and read 2 or 3 articles about it. nice lookign car, but what a tank. i guess dam-chrys thinks there is room enough for another big ticket wanna be muscle car in the market place.
weighed down by every power feature imaginable, even the new hemi is only going to motivate that thing to mid/high 14's.
i do like the looks of the car. they managed to carry a few of the old styling cues into the newer design in a tasteful manor and the color selections are supposed to be a total throwback(they dusted off sublime and panther pink for the mag shoots i have seen so far).
hopefully they will thin the car a little or find a way to throw more power into it before they actually hit teh street and get laughed off the strip.

later
tim

Without sounding like an *ss the Charger is marketed to me. I'm married with three young kids. I would love a powerful car big enough to carry all three kids and not look like a state trooper. Right now the three car seats barely fir in the back of my Accord. I need the 4 doors to get them in the back seat. I want the creature comforts during my hour commute. There are plenty of 2-door "sporty cars" like the Mustang, GTO, and future Camaro. If I want the two-door experience I have my IROC. It might not be geared to the younger crowd looking for a race car but an older crowd looking for something balsey and fun but still practical and comfortable. That said I'm sure they will come out with a stripped version with the Hemi if there is demand.

[jims69camaro]

I'm sure they will come out with a stripped version with the Hemi if there is demand.

now you're talking! if they are going to have a cop version, that means a more potent motor will be available (maybe not to the general public, but does anyone remember COPO?). stripped down is easy. as long as they have an order form, you can strip a car down. finding the right salesman/dealership that can get the order through will be the challenge.

[BigAls87Z28]

I dont understand why have such a high end model like the 300C, and then sell the cars to fleet. I would think that would ruin the image.

[Fasterthanyou]

I dont understand why have such a high end model like the 300C, and then sell the cars to fleet. I would think that would ruin the image.
Ford Crown Vic vs Mercury Grand Marquis, worked great for Ford, why not Dodge/Chrysler?

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes, but they arent regarded in the same class or status. How many people pay top dollar for a Grand Mark?
300C has developed quite a rep to be a very nice car that shows off high class luxury.
Can you say the same when you sit in a Grand Mark? Or even a Towncar?
Something about being them beeing a fleet car destroys the image. Your car doesnt look so cool when there is one driving past you, painted in yellow and dinged and banged up.

[jims69camaro]

Yes, but they arent regarded in the same class or status. How many people pay top dollar for a Grand Mark?

how about every blue hair you see driving one? seriously.

i get your point, but the impala did well and i seem to remember it being sold over sticker. :shrug:

[BigAls87Z28]

The Impala SS 94-96 sold actualy pretty poorly untill its last year I belive. Much like the present GTO, it was knocked for its "bland design" and massive size.
Now the Impala's hold there value very well (almost too well damn it).

All in all, neither the Caprice nor the Panther cars can hold a light to the 300's recent success. The 300 alone has pulled Chrysler out of such a deep, dark pit after the Pacifica and the Crossfire.
Just look at Chrysler's image now with that one car. Its amazing what one, high volume, very stylish car can do for a company.

[Untamed]

Oddball Wrote:

Without sounding like an *ss the Charger is marketed to me. I'm married with three young kids. I would love a powerful car big enough to carry all three kids and not look like a state trooper. Right now the three car seats barely fir in the back of my Accord. I need the 4 doors to get them in the back seat. I want the creature comforts during my hour commute. There are plenty of 2-door "sporty cars" like the Mustang, GTO, and future Camaro. If I want the two-door experience I have my IROC. It might not be geared to the younger crowd looking for a race car but an older crowd looking for something balsey and fun but still practical and comfortable. That said I'm sure they will come out with a stripped version with the Hemi if there is demand.

Glad I'm not the only one who looked at the Charger that way. Now if only I could figure out how to balance that middle baby seat on the hump in the back of the GTO....

[Tru2Chevy]

All in all, neither the Caprice nor the Panther cars can hold a light to the 300's recent success. Â*The 300 alone has pulled Chrysler out of such a deep, dark pit after the Pacifica and the Crossfire. Â*
Just look at Chrysler's image now with that one car. Â*Its amazing what one, high volume, very stylish car can do for a company.

Not to go completely off topic, but did anyone else see the ASC-designed 300C 'vert? That is a car that they need to build....looks awesome! I'll post a pic I took at Detroit when I get home.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

ASC does some nice things. They made that really nice hard top for the SSR. That **** is trick!!

[Tru2Chevy]

http://www.njfboa.org/JustinImages/300Cdroptop.jpg

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

http://www.njfboa.org/JustinImages/300Cdroptop.jpg

- Justin
:pimp:

[jims69camaro]

sweet. but the vert detracts from the higher beltline/shorter side windows that the car is known for. i dunno, i guess i like it better as a hardtop. :shrug:

[JerzLT1]

a 4 door vert? havent ever seen one before but i like the vert too