To the Nice guys out there...

[ar0ck]

Taken from:
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/rant04.html

Ode to the Nice Guys
This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what ******** guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious� between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!� And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date� or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me� or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!� or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.� Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

Fu-zu Jen, SEAS/WH, 2003

It so true its sad :?

[TheWraith]

damn that's pretty much dead on. yes i'm one of those saps. :cry:

[12secondv6]

<--- nice guy.....maybe I will find a nice girl in 2005 :wink:

[Fasterthanyou]

And if I can add some wisdom to the reason girls do exactly what was described... they are crazy. Sorry, but it's true. They are taking advantage of a guy and they KNOW they are. It's kind of pathetic that nice guys put up with it. I'm a sucker but I've upgraded to a nice guy that doesn't take any **** from his "girl" friends. They know when they ask me they get the honest answer, not what they want to hear. This might not make me the most popular nice guy but I just got so tired of giving and giving and not getting... life is a 2 way street, don't waste your time with the girls that toy with your emotions. They aren't testing you, they're USING you. It's as if they are afriad they'll have no options in the world for boyfriends and so you're her last resort.
Here's a toast to all you nice guys that are still nice guys to those bitchs. Somebody's gotta do it :? and I can't do it anymore.
The reason girls like bad guys; they feel they need to change them. It's that simple, nothing more nothing less. They're convinced that they can make a bad boy good :roll: . She then come crying to you after she finds out he's still an ass even after they've slept together. I used to simpathize with these girls until one day it dawned on me that they actually enjoy having such an easy excuse for sleeping with guys only a few times and then moving onto the next. Whoops, did I just say that some girls are "bad"... yes, yes I did and don't you believe different. I'm still friends with some of those "bad" girls but when they come crying to me I tell them exactly how I feel about the situation... kind of like a reality check for those girls. This doesn't make me a nice guy but I'm still a gentleman... I think some of the girls on this board can back me up on that one. At least I hope they will, lol.

[arc555]

<- Nice guy this way. And still it seems everything goes wrong for me. :x

[Fasterthanyou]

<- Nice guy this way. And still it seems everything goes wrong for me. :x
Are you the bend over backwards nice guy or are you a nice guy? Example; Girl needs a ride somewhere, you find out that someplace is her boyfriends house because he doesn't want to miss any of the game on TV. Do you drive her or tell her to dump him for being an arse and then drive her? Both are being nice just one answer is bend over backwards too nice. Don't be afriad to tell a girl how you feel, the worst that can happen is she finds you offensive... oh well, better to get it out in the open now than hold back.

[69BirdX]

The trick is you act nice but everyonce in awhile you be an ass and make them pissed...............it works :lol: Once a chik starts controling ya they get bored and thats when your screwed
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[BigAls87Z28]

Yet another member of the nice guy crew.

[Mike]

yep.....ive been literally told im too nice....

[Kojak]

thast right on but the girs who go the the "Not" Nice guys are mostly burnt bitches anyway... ha..

[ar0ck]

thast right on but the girls who go with the "Not" Nice guys are mostly burnt bitches anyway... ha..

****ing burnt bitches

[Little G]

:waits for every girl on the board to deny it:

[HardcoreZ28]

That's why you only act nice to girls if you want to hookup with them....then turn on the charm full blast. Atleast that's what college was for....now in the real world things are a little different

[NP_00'T/A]

so true...

[PBodyGT87]

:waits for every girl on the board to deny it:

deny what?

[PBodyGT87]

This doesn't make me a nice guy but I'm still a gentleman... I think some of the girls on this board can back me up on that one. At least I hope they will, lol.

dude i have only talked to you in person a few times and you have gvery much much much come off like a gentleman. for serious.

[superblonde]

<--- nice guy.....maybe I will find a nice girl in 2005 Â*:wink:


maybe

[PBodyGT87]

Girls go for the bad guy not only because they feel like they can change them, but also because they are aware of the risks that are being taken and well, that keeps things a little more exciting, less boring. And yes, that's ridiculous and stupid, but I'll be the first to admit that I have made that mistake, and many times, but I have learned my lesson.

As well, the first step for any nice guy out there trying to find a girl is to find one who is mature. Most of the girls who make mistakes like going for the bad guy are young and naive, and the like. Actually, I should probably still consider myself naive as well. That's a damn shame i have just said that, but it's probably true.

And guys, you don't need a girl to make you happy. Bad luck? they will come along some time, the right type of girl, that is, and all will be well. But point blank, females are some of the craziest sonsa-bitches out there. Enjoy your time away from them while you still can, before you put a ring on one of their fingers and glue the miserable human to your side until death do you part.


...I should have been born a guy.

[superblonde]

Girls go for the bad guy not only because they feel like they can change them, but also because they are aware of the risks that are being taken and well, that keeps things a little more exciting, less boring. And yes, that's ridiculous and stupid, but I'll be the first to admit that I have made that mistake, and many times, but I have learned my lesson.

As well, the first step for any nice guy out there trying to find a girl is to find one who is mature. Most of the girls who make mistakes like going for the bad guy are young and naive, and the like. Actually, I should probably still consider myself naive as well. That's a damn shame i have just said that, but it's probably true.

And guys, you don't need a girl to make you happy. Bad luck? they will come along some time, the right type of girl, that is, and all will be well. But point blank, females are some of the craziest sonsa-bitches out there. Enjoy your time away from them while you still can, before you put a ring on one of their fingers and glue the miserable human to your side until death do you part.


...I should have been born a guy.

I agree with Liz except that she should have been born a guy. Liz stay a cool chick.
I'll admit too that I've dated way too many ********. I'm over it. One day every girl will realize that it is not worth being treated like crap and the nice guys will have their day.

[NJSPEEDER]

nice guy or *******, i say be who you are and act how you like. people will either accept it or jsut stay out of your way. it works simply because women want honesty of all.
they want it honesty, you want to be yourself, it is the perfect scenario.

later
tim

[12secondv6]

<--- nice guy.....maybe I will find a nice girl in 2005 Â*:wink:


maybe

Do you know any? :wink:

[matt98ls1]

I guess I can agree with just about everything that has been said so far..... guys, dont go trying to change who you are for a girl. in the long run, its really not worth it.


if a girl can't accept you for who you are (nice guy and all), is she really worth your time? things have a way of working themselves out.... don't try to rush it.

[camaroracer1992]

i agree with tim, be who you and and *** em!! if some one doesnt liek you then too bad

[camaroracer1992]

oh i am also a nice guy that girls dont seem to like. i give an honest opion and thoughts on what i think but in teh end girls liek me after theyve had sex with these ******** and thats not my style to be sticking my junk in already "tainted" area

[Pat]

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

everyone must read this asap

[matt98ls1]

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

everyone must read this asap



Ahhh yes, the ladder theory 8)

[Tru2Chevy]

<--- nice guy.....maybe I will find a nice girl in 2005 :wink:

That all depends on how you define nice :D

- Justin

[Fasterthanyou]

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

everyone must read this asap
:nod: It's the sad truth but not THAT sad. Think about it, if that link wasn't true we might as well be gay and stop procreating. You know, end of the human race before the next century.

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but there are "nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with "guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!

[arc555]

<- Nice guy this way. And still it seems everything goes wrong for me. Â*:x
Are you the bend over backwards nice guy or are you a nice guy? Example; Girl needs a ride somewhere, you find out that someplace is her boyfriends house because he doesn't want to miss any of the game on TV. Do you drive her or tell her to dump him for being an arse and then drive her? Both are being nice just one answer is bend over backwards too nice. Don't be afriad to tell a girl how you feel, the worst that can happen is she finds you offensive... oh well, better to get it out in the open now than hold back.

I'm 'just' a nice guy.

[Fasterthanyou]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but there are "nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with "guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!
I don't think you know what we're talking about.... we're not putting girls down. We're putting the girls that take advantage of NICE GUYS down. If you're one of those girls then yeah, this thread is a venting session against you :( . Don't think we hate you, it's far from that, it's just some venting. Late summer we had a similar thread against guys that are ********, I think Tim admitted to being one :wink: .
What do you mean never follow through? If you mean flirting and then not asking a girl out... well if you're with a "guy friend" then we have to assume it's your boyfriend.... that's what this thread is about :) . Don't take offence and trust me, none of us guys are doing any hating on girls, just venting.

[TheWraith]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but Â*there are Â*"nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with Â*"guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!

where did you come from?

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but Â*there are Â*"nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with Â*"guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!
I don't think you know what we're talking about.... we're not putting girls down. We're putting the girls that take advantage of NICE GUYS down. If you're one of those girls then yeah, this thread is a venting session against you :( . Don't think we hate you, it's far from that, it's just some venting. Late summer we had a similar thread against guys that are ********, I think Tim admitted to being one :wink: .
What do you mean never follow through? If you mean flirting and then not asking a girl out... well if you're with a "guy friend" then we have to assume it's your boyfriend.... that's what this thread is about :) . Don't take offence and trust me, none of us guys are doing any hating on girls, just venting.

ok i gotcha! too bad i wasnt around for the ******* thread! i really could have contributed to that one! about following through...yeah thats what i meant.. you cant assume...if you are interested and you see me flirting back come talk to me!! and if im with a guy dont assume hes my boyfriend...he could be gay! take a chance.. ya never know..

[misterjuice]

whoa,,, you're a girl?? ;)

8) :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but Â*there are Â*"nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with Â*"guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!

Ok...what are you doing next tuesday?

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

whoa,,, you're a girl?? ;) Â*

8) Â*:lol:
yes im a girl! is that surprising?

[ar0ck]

whoa,,, you're a girl?? ;) Â*

8) Â*:lol:
yes im a girl! is that surprising?

Yes!


:to the background....: "STOP THE PRESS!"

[V]

haha, i get a kick out of all of this. Â*not making fun of anyone though. Â*I was in the same boat a while back, all "friend" bs and random relationships that never worked out. Â*anyway, now i have had a gf for the past 10 months, and things are great. Â*Im almost done with her car, the 87 monte ss i built. shes the one that wanted the cowl hood and 5 spd trans, now thats a girl you keep. Â*i'm 24 and shes only 19 so i know things may not become more serious but whatever, i do love her. it goes to show you that things do work out and if they dont they werent meant to be. Â*I see there are a bunch of girls on this board and they got female friends. hell if i was single i'm be at all the meets trying to get to know them and chill with them, sure i can still be friends with them now, but being taken takes alot of fun out of it. lol. Â* the problem i had was i that i was always concerned with what others thought and tried to impress people, then i leaned that its their loss if they dont want me(not to sound conceded lol) ok so that was a bunch of rambling, i'll go away now...

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

whoa,,, you're a girl?? ;) Â*

8) Â*:lol:
yes im a girl! is that surprising?

Yes!


:to the background....: "STOP THE PRESS!"


well dont be... girls can be into car 2!!!

[HardcoreZ28]

I agree with Smoking SS and some of the other guys. Just be yourself...if someone doesn't like you for you, then screw them. I used to try and act the way I thought girls would like me to be back in middle school and high school. Then I got to the point where I realized that wasn't working and I started to despise girls and I started being myself towards the end of high school and into college. I'll tell you what....it was like the magic formula. I met tons of girls after that. Be confident in who YOU are and the right girls will come along, including if you're a nice guy. I had a 5 1/2 year relationship before this one that was pretty damn good, but not perfect. Now I'm in a new relationship that's been great for 9 months. But beware....if things go sour ever I've seen more than a few potential prospects in this club :wink:

Oh and one last thing....for guys who are worried about girls being out with a guy....if you can't tell for sure he's a boyfriend he's probably not. And either way, just hit the gym and then start enforcing "The Rule" For those of you who don't know what the rule is- If you see a girl with a guy and you can beat him up, she has to come home with you.

[12secondv6]

<--- nice guy.....maybe I will find a nice girl in 2005 Â*:wink:

That all depends on how you define nice Â* :D

- Justin

:wink:

[Tru2Chevy]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but Â*there are Â*"nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with Â*"guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!

where did you come from?

She finally stepped out of the "Nothing, Nevermind" thread in Central Jersey......

- Justin

[TheWraith]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but Â*there are Â*"nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with Â*"guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!

where did you come from?

She finally stepped out of the "Nothing, Nevermind" thread in Central Jersey......

- Justin

I figured it out last night and looked through that thread.

[misterjuice]

whoa,,, you're a girl?? ;) Â*

8) Â*:lol:
yes im a girl! is that surprising?

Yes!


:to the background....: "STOP THE PRESS!"


well dont be... girls can be into car 2!!!

i wasn't surprised.............;)

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

u guys need to stop putting us girls down....yeah im not going to deny the fact that some.. or infact most girls do all that ****.. but Â*there are Â*"nice girls" out there who get taken advantage of and used right back...me being one of them...so it can work both ways...the biggest problem with Â*"guys" is that yous never follow through...suck it up and come up to us!!!!

where did you come from?

She finally stepped out of the "Nothing, Nevermind" thread in Central Jersey......

- Justin

ionly joined b/c that thread was about me!are you tryin to say you want me to disappear??? :(

[Mike]

no one wants you to dissapear.....if they do they dont belong in the "nice guys" thread

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

aww thanks... i feel wanted..and i highly doubt all these guys are really "nice" guys... and what girl wants only a "nice" guy? there needs to be an inner bad boy 2:naughty:

[TheWraith]

aww thanks... i feel wanted..and i highly doubt all these guys are really "nice" guys... and what girl wants only a "nice" guy? there needs to be an inner bad boy 2:naughty:

maybe you should read that ladder theory link :lol:

[Fasterthanyou]

aww thanks... i feel wanted..and i highly doubt all these guys are really "nice" guys... and what girl wants only a "nice" guy? there needs to be an inner bad boy 2:naughty:

maybe you should read that ladder theory link :lol:
:nod: lol

Paul, "the rule" that's a good one!

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

ok..im def. blonde and i dont get the ladder theory..some 1 needs to explain it to me.. that way i kno whether to thank you or tell you off.. b/c im seeing a lot anout whores and **** on those pages..please help me understand :(

[TheWraith]

ok..im def. blonde and i dont get the ladder theory..some 1 needs to explain it to me.. that way i kno whether to thank you or tell you off.. b/c im seeing a lot anout whores and **** on those pages..please help me understand Â*:(

The basic idea behind it is that nothing at all matters to any woman except money and power. Â*And he goes into detailed reasons about why a girl would rather have a "bad boy" than a nice guy. Â*Not that I agree with what he says, but it's kind of ironic reading that then looking at your comment about not wanting a nice guy who isn't a bad boy too because you're validating his argument.

btw, my comment wasn't bashing you, it was meant to be a joke. no telling off required ;)

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

thanks for clearing that up for me..well im not about looks and money..and theres only certian times when i like my "nice guy'' to be bad...if you know what i mean :wink:

[misterjuice]

i'm all about girls that can drive a manual trans...........i think that's so hot

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

i'm all about girls that can drive a manual trans...........i think that's so hot

ive never driven stick on an american car.. i learned on foreign turbos.. but from what i heard its the same..or even easier... but my camaro is automatic :(

[Mike]

i get to teach my sister on my ta this week :roll:

my ex used to take her dads c5 m6 out whenever we wanted.........(i should hang myself for ruining that one)

[TheWraith]

thanks for clearing that up for me..well im not about looks and money..and theres only certian times when i like my "nice guy'' to be bad...if you know what i mean :wink:

:naughty:

[Tru2Chevy]

ionly joined b/c that thread was about me!are you tryin to say you want me to disappear??? :(

Not at all.....I am just glad that you decided to check out the rest of the forum, and I hope you'll stick around.

- Justin

[Pat]

thanks for clearing that up for me..well im not about looks and money..and theres only certian times when i like my "nice guy'' to be bad...if you know what i mean :wink:

:naughty:

don't get your hopes up, she's lying

[TheWraith]

don't get your hopes up, she's lying

jesus dude, are you trying to turn this board into a sausage fest? relax captain. :shock:

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

thanks for clearing that up for me..well im not about looks and money..and theres only certian times when i like my "nice guy'' to be bad...if you know what i mean :wink:

:naughty:

don't get your hopes up, she's lying

ass!! lol how would you know??? :?:

[BigAls87Z28]

thanks for clearing that up for me..well im not about looks and money..and theres only certian times when i like my "nice guy'' to be bad...if you know what i mean :wink:

:naughty:

don't get your hopes up, she's lying

ass!! lol how would you know??? :?:

:owned:

[garretwp]

I think everyone can justify that they have been used. I know i have been in the past and from me being to nice and caring etc etc, i could not realize that she was using me or taking advantage of me for a specific reason. The turn out of it all hurts in the beggining and towards the end of it all you realize that you dont need her and that there is so many other oppertunities out there for you to explore. It may not be right away, but it will happen eventually. I use to be really shy and always getting used by a girl. Eventually i started to toughen up and learn from my mistakes. It only makes your stronger and not weaker. To all the nice guys out there, your day will come and it will be worth it when you know that your the successful one in life and not the ******* who has nothing for himself and no stable future.


Garrett

P.S.
By the way 96 Chevy LT1z, your a cutie! :wink:

[96 Chevy Lt1z]

lol thanks :)