Heads Up Rules!!!

[NJSPEEDER]

hey gang,
after much debate......lol

Rules:
All cars must pass an NHRA based safety inspection prior to competition on the day of the meet
All vehicles must be muffled. No cut outs permitted to be used.
All cars must have a "full" interior consisting of complete dash, fully carpeted interior, two front seats large enough for an adult, back seats may be removed if area is carpeted, console may be removed if area is carpeted.
Any power plant is acceptable
Any transmission allowed
Any amount of any single power adder allowed(twin turbos, twin superchargers, multistage nitrous systems permitted)
Intake charge cooling is allowed(intercoolers, aftercoolers, alchy/water injection)
All electronics permitted(transbrakes, two steps, delay boxes)
Racing will be on a pro tree(.400 pro tree)
Backhalved cars prohibited(Mini tubs are acceptable for proper clearance of class legal tire sizes)
After "qualifying" run(number of runs TBA) cars will be set up in a pro style elimination ladder

Tire Rules:
Full slicks will be limited to a 10.5W width advertised size on the sidewall
DOT "cheat" slicks limited to 11.5 width advertised on sidewall
Drag radials sizes are not restricted.

i hope this is acceptable to everyone. unless there are any major concerns we are considering teh rules complete and final.

later
tim

[camaroracer1992]

Tim, I'm in for it. Gotta do some "tweaking" and "dieting" so mean green is ready. Rules are def fair i like em



joe

[NJSPEEDER]

on another board someone asked about teh dual power adder thing. is anyoen opposed to allowing mutli power adder set ups?
i don't know how many people this will effect, so let me know wht you all think.

later
tim

[JPSartre12]

I saw your link in Camaroz28.com and had a few questions.
Are you looking to attract cars from outside of the East Coast as well? There are a lot of F-Body owners and racers here in the Detroit area and we might be interested in attending if we can get some more details on your event.
How many cars do you typically get for your events? And what level of competition do you normally attract? Stock? Bolt-ons? N/A? nitrous? blown/turbo?
We've got a pretty good mix of street legal racers here from 9-14's and it'd help if we could get a feel for the number of participants and level of competition to determine if it's worth the trip in from the Midwest. or not.
Thanks.
JP

[NJSPEEDER]

we are workign towards getting 300+ cars to participate in all catagories. we wold be happy to ge cars from all over teh country if anyoen woudl liek to make teh drive.
the typical car that our heads up class is intended to attract would be a 9-10second car with the above described street gear.
since this is teh first year that we are runnign this event in a while i am not sure how many cars we will see is the heads up class. hopefully we will get at least 16 cars to participate and have a variety of combos to watch. i know that there are a few n/a guys, at least 1 nice blower car, a bucnh of nitrous guys, and some turbo cars interested. it is all a matter of who can make teh trip.
we have already started contacting magazines and potential sponsors. so we can count on teh appeal of the class expanding once we get some prizes set up.
best advice would be to keep an eye on the forum from time to time and see how ti develops. we already have a deal at a local hotel if you guys decide to travel. :)

later
tim

[camaroracer1992]

i dont think the power adders should be an issue, i jsut think that to keep the heads up/streetability thing i think the cars should be inspected in their respective state, thats just my opinion. if not no big deal my car will be competitive still at the time.

[jrsfast84]

so does your car have to be street legal,insured,registered,and could you trailer your car in,to race on that day.if so some people mit not kmow that.

[NJSPEEDER]

we decided to drop the registration thing cause there are so many people in teh same situation as you that would be caught on the other side of only that rule. trailering the car in is fine.

later
tim

[jrsfast84]

Thank you, i'm planning on attending,i have some people that will be joining me that day,if there's anything i could help with, don't hesitate to ask.e-mail me. Thanks again.

[NJSPEEDER]

best thing you can do is kep an eye on the site and let all yoru friends know how teh planning is progressing. we shoudl also have flyers available for download soon, so you can start handing them out if you want as well :)

thanks

later
tim

[jrsfast84]

for the heads up class, mufflers or no mufflers, it wasn't mentioned in the rules.just wondering, thanks.

[camaroracer1992]

im pretty sure its a full exhaust system, i also asked tim that question and he stated mufflers :( . youre from easton? im from hatfield we're not too far apart location wise. you run at the grove?

[Tru2Chevy]

Yes, all vehicles must have mufflers, and no open cutouts are allowed on the track for this event.

I updated the rules - sorry about forgetting it earlier.

- Justin

[jrsfast84]

yes i run at the grove,and another ? toward the rules, you say all electronics,what delay box is ok, throttle stops use delay boxes,that wouldn't be right to have in a heads up class,if the delay box is a MSD-digitial 6 or 7, thats for timing,then ok.just want make sure the rules are ok so theres no problems.sorry to be the pest about some of the rules but just trying to help. Thanks.JR.

[JPSartre12]

300+ sounds good. I'll post your link on Motown Muscle Forum and see if we can get some interest in a Motown Caravan. With a little prodding, we might be able to "represent" in the Head's Up and other classes. :cheers:

[NJSPEEDER]

JPSartre12-thanks for getting teh word out on teh motown forum. hopefully the crowds will roll into rural north jersey and shake things up a bit :D

jrsfast84-i was jsut refering to whatever types of things people wanted to run. we aren't gonna restrict electronics or stops, if someone wants to use a stop for their burn out they can.

thanks guys, keep circulating the word!!!!

later
tim

[jrsfast84]

i ment throttle stops like in NHRA's super gas,super street,for running a 9.90 index or a 10.90 index. heads up is on the wood for the 1/4 mile.thanks.

[JPSartre12]

JPSartre12-thanks for getting teh word out on teh motown forum. hopefully the crowds will roll into rural north jersey and shake things up a bit :D

thanks guys, keep circulating the word!!!!

later
tim

A lot of the Motown Muscle guys have never been to the Jersey Shore. Since I was raised in S. Jersey, I'm trying to educate them on the finer points of beach life. This would be a great opportunity to do some racing and beach bumming.

[NJSPEEDER]

you can explain it to them all you want, but they will never truely understand what it means to be from jersey :D
thanks for getting the word out. hopefully these guys will come down and play with us, we may scare them a little, but i can assure you they will have fun.
:p

later
tim

[jrsfast84]

i really don't think there scared but,maybe they are, well if they show up we'll all have a good time racing or watching; thats what its all about. so come on up, join us.

[WS6TransAm01]

Very Tempting.....

can we have an All motor heads up class? ;)

[NJSPEEDER]

if we had space....
that was actually one of teh possibel answers i was lookin at in the begining. depending on what kind of participation numbers we see this year we may try splitting heads up next year. teh more cars we have in general the more classes we can justify in teh future :hint: :hint: (tell all your friends) hehe

later
tim

[JPSartre12]

i really don't think there scared but,maybe they are, well if they show up we'll all have a good time racing or watching; Â*thats what its all about. so come on up, join Â*us.

It takes a lot to scare somebody in Detroit. ;)
We drive down the highways here as fast as most ricers drive down the track.

[NJSPEEDER]

We drive down the highways here as fast as most ricers drive down the track.

so, about 45mph? lol

later
tim

[Clutch Master]

if there is no passenger going down the track with us then y do we need the seat in the car????????

[NJSPEEDER]

because the rules are based on a "street" vehicle.
if we had more lanes/time it would be nice to make space for cars that are completely tinned inside. since time/space is an issue we decided to create a rules package that applied to teh greatest number of our members.
if we get a good turn out this year we can try to expand next years program.

later
tim

[Clutch Master]

ok so its the rules, but if we have carpet all around the inside i still see no need for the passenger seat.....its not a car show its a race. and what if people drive around without a passenger seat on the street.

[Tru2Chevy]

We understand how some people feel about the seat rule, but it was put in place to enforce the "street car" idea. We know that some people don't use a passenger seat on a daily basis, however the majority do. A street-legal passenger seat will be required to pass tech if you are racing in one of the classes at this event, although it does not have to match the driver's seat.

- Justin

[NJSPEEDER]

ok so its the rules, but if we have carpet all around the inside i still see no need for the passenger seat.....its not a car show its a race. and what if people drive around without a passenger seat on the street.

the "what if..." game only leads to the cars having tin interiors. that is why the line was drawn where it was.
since everyone is being required to run the passenger seat it is not to anyones advantage or disadvantage to have it in there.
as justin stated, it does not have to match teh drivers seat or even be an original f-body seat. it just has to be a full size seat capable of holding an adult. no kiddie/baby seats and no dragster chairs, just a normal car seat.

later
tim

[89 Trans Am WS6]

Just read this post today, couldnt beleive I missed it, yet i cant say I understand it. Why do you have to run a pass seat? The rules setup seems to contradict each other..you dont need a center console or rear seats..as long as it has carpet..but you have to have a passanger seat. I think i know more guys that take out there seats and stuff before they do their console! Thats like saying you can gut your car and cover it in carpet, but you need a passanger seat because your car has to be a "street car". Tons of people drive their cars on the street with no pass seat..to my knowledge its not against the law in the state of nj...

Besides you told some guy from a few posts back that it didnt matter if they even trailered their car in and it didnt need to be registered...yeah thats a real street car..

I mean for the distance fact i can understand the trailer i suppose but not even registered? Really makes it seem like a street car there..lol.

Perhaps we should take a 5 gas analyzer to the tech line too?;x

No offence intended here guys but to me it seems kind of silly..

just my 02

joe

we decided to drop the registration thing cause there are so many people in teh same situation as you that would be caught on the other side of only that rule. trailering the car in is fine.

later
tim

[NJSPEEDER]

the registration rules were dropped because it would have prevented about half of teh guys who wanted to participate from even bothering to come out. basically it was a rules sacrifice made in teh name of car count.
the console thing is based on teh fact that first and second gen cars were available without a center console and it is not something that detracts from teh general concept of a "street" car racing class.

the passenger seat thing is also based on the "street" concept. although a lot fo street cars do not come with a console, they do come with two front seats. the whole "it's legal to not have a seat" and "i know a lot of guys" thing is not a basis for any argument. i know a lot of guys with back halved cars with full tin interiors that drive on the street, that does not make them comply to the "street" concept any more than warren johnson's pro stock car.

with any set of rules there have to be limits and sacrifices made to allow for a package that is fair to everyone. as future events are planned based on teh results of this year we will make every effort to expand or add classes to allow for even greater participation.

these rules were researched to death before they were put out for debate. the seat rule only met 2 or 3 protests, the single type of power adder rule met with 1 protest, and the registration rule met with about 20 protests. there was also some debate about teh tire rules and the allowing of back halved cars, DOT cheater slicks were allowed a 11.5inch section and back halved cars were disallowed as a result of the feedback i received.

later
tim