the shortages that the news talks about are more like "future shortages". Like I said before, New Jersey is home to the largest oil reserve in the nation and when Katrina hit, the price of gas jumped up a dollar in one day. They just take into account the fact that they might not have a lot of oil in the future and jack prices up now to take advantage of it. That and they are very greedy.

Gas prices arent sky high because of Iraq. Gas prices are high because gas companies are giving us the fist-job with no lube. And who's gunna investigate that? Not Bush, thats his buddies. Why would he do such a thing?
While gas isnt as high as the rest of the world, there is no reason we should be paying 3 dollars a gallon.

Capitalism at its finest Al, plain and simple.

becasue bush and his buddies arent the CEOs of Exxon

You just don't get it we live in a FREE society and anyone can charge what they want for their product, but it was you liberals ( friend ) who were running the show and put this countries oil company's out of the refinery business -- yea i know its bushes fault --- in what 1977 was it i remember the peanut farmer MR teeth do you ????? ( in a have to deal with a foreign country ) and now that we as a people in a country that has to buy foreign oil from people who want to kill us rather than sell us oil, --- the liberals are its bushes fault his pals in there oil business bah bah bah get a new line dude that worm is dead long ago even stupid people can tell the difference jz

Eh...Bush has many ties to oil companies, thats clear.

And yeah, I know...capitalism, but at what point does the goverment step in. Hell, they can bug my phone, detain me without giving my civil rights, but they cant give the oil companies a little scare?

c'mon al. why would they attack the oil companies when they provide so much funding :roll:

oil is a business like any other , why don't we stop all beer sales they are making a killing on beer its not right and bush has drank some so its his fault --- he has to be just think ( tires on the trucks are made from oil ) and the paper boxes and the ink for the printing, the glass, bottles caps as a kid u collected, all the stainless tanks, hell the whole place is a nest of collaboration with the oil company's and you contributed to it just like bush, you must be at fault as will ( the way you think ) so i guess WHAT as a good american your going to protest drinking because its bushes fault WOW DUDE you right up their with the loons === I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU === jz

i don't get the justification here. war is breaking out in a part of the world where we already are, will need to be to protect our interests and don't have to spend a single dime to get troops there. pull them out? doesn't have a sane ring to it.

if you can't see the reasoning for being there, then there is no hope for you. it might've made more sense to you if one of your relatives died on September 11, 2001. there were 3000, remember?


A) yes.
B) true, but there are other reasons of which have been enumerated several times - and i ain't gonna do it again. imagine if hussein had gotten and maintained control over kuwait... the price you're paying for gasoline now would not hold a candle to the stranglehold he would've placed on the market. all in the name of the almighty dollar. (with him it might've been a power thing, which is why he couldn't accept defeat and invaded them on more than one occasion).

nicely said.

please tell me you are not so naive to believe that they aren't masters of the shell game after playing with the U.N. for so many years. hell, he knew that after a fashion, he was going to lose. there's nothing to support the next statement i am about to make, but i don't believe it's outside the realm of the possible, either: maybe he sold them. now, that's a scary thought.

just because this is true doesn't mean we should abandon the war. 'course, it would be nice for them if we did, because then they would run roughshod over the entire region doing as they please.now, i know you're too far gone. have fun in la-la land.

i want to spend more time on this subject, but most of you know how i feel anyway. it's still fun poking holes in others' arguments. wading through the myriad spelling and grammatical errors is a bit fun, too. :mrgreen:

disclaimer: i am not attacking you, personally. before you get out your big internet gun and blow me and my family away, take a step back from the computer and relax. it's only a discussion. :)

that said, i hope we do not have to get further involved in the happenings in the middle east. but turning a blind eye to what's going on over there could end up being more lethal to us than getting involved.

I'm definately not saying we should abandon the war, we're there now(agree or disagree with the reasons) and we HAVE to see it through to the end(whenever that might be)

Sir, I respect you GREATLY for serving our country and protecthing this great nation but if you're going to try to insult someone at least make a coherent sentence. ;):D

Back to the topic at hand, I agree with you about the oil industry being a business just like any other.

OK you are right i cant spell i do not have a grip on grammar have no idea what words should follow another most of the time i admit it cant figure out whier the comma or period goes ----- i was not a good student grew up in lower Manhattan was a wise guy 35 years never learned this end was thrown out of HS at 16 for book making but have a whole lot of street smarts to make up for it got a computer and for 10 years been getting an education one i never got as a kid was before a judge go to war or jail so became airborne door gunner 1968 so if its not to much to ask read between the lines i think i am making a point maybe iam not i cant tell never did that much talking, i will try and be more to the point but what i don't get is why so many of you hold your selfs up as we know better at 19 or 25 thats the thing that is just scary to me at 19 the little head is steering the ship HELLO OK i tried not to get involved with this i knew it was going to be a mess if i did and it was jz

i honestly tried to read that a few times and i get confused every time i get to the middle. someone explain. :shrug:

he got booted from HS at 16, got arrested and joined the army to stay outta jail and was a helicopter gunner. Since then he has been working on getting an education. He also doesn't think too highly of the youth of today's leadership skills.

what does this have to do with this thread tho? :scratch:

well, we were just alking about how hard it was for you to understand him. its sort of an explanation. the part about the youth being misguided was just pointing out that he thinks young people dont fully understand the situation.

isee, i guess he's pullling one of those "i'm older then you, so i know better" card. interesting approach, i guess.

not necessarily. however, having experience and seeing the world for probably twice the amount of time you have does lend itself to being able to understand certain things easier. it doesn't mean you can't understand the subject, but if you had never seen a three-card-monty game and came upon one, you'd probably lose some money before you figured out that it was rigged against you. a person who had seen one before would simply walk by, knowing that playing would mean a loss of money.

no one wants to go to war. sometimes it's necessary. if people get out of control, someone has to step in and get them back under control, or at least get control of the situation. i wish that not one soldier had to die for this war, but i also wish that september 11, 2001 had never happened. a retalliation had to take place, or the 'terrorists' would've thought that could do to us whatever they wanted without repercussions. if the bully in grade school takes your lunch money and you do nothing about it, then he will continue to look at you as a source of revenue. even if you walk away with a black eye and bleeding lip, at least he won't be back in the future for your lunch money. i know i am breaking it down to over-simplistic terms, but i want everyone to understand the simple principle that war is necessary.

why does it have to be the US that goes to war? in this situation, since we stand for the 'western way of life', freedom, democracy and all that comes with it, and we are the biggest target for them; we are the ones 'dragged' into it. remember, we looked for support all over the world before we declared war (and pissed off a lot of people in the process), but it had to be.

we are not always going to be the most popular country in the world, but i don't see this as a popularity contest. i see this as a defense of our way of life. i see this as a way to continue to have my opinion and the freedom to state it. i see this as a way to continue living like i always have. and you should, too.

take care all,
-jim

damn you for bringing this thing back :lol:

So because im 20 i havent seen the world? this might apply to some but im willing to bet ive seen more of the world then an average person. I've been in Russia, Ukrain, Georgia, Finland, Gernamy, USA, Denmark and some country next to caspian sea ( dunno the name of it in english :shrug: ) I havent experienced the bad? well since my pops was stationed in all kinds of ****** places during his soviet military career i got to lay my eyes on some big booms and building blowing up too, ive seen a war happened when i was like 6 year old. Yes i do still remember building blowing up, and i do see it in my dreams from time to time. Well that was all before my daddy decided to bounce, and then mommy moved away when i was 11. Do you remember what you did when you were 11 years old? i do, i was walking on the streets all dirty, no money, hungry as ****, and i probably smelled like **** to. Who helped me? no one! dont ever tell me i havent seen an ugly side of the world, cuz i have. I can keep going and going, i can probably write a book about what ive experienced as a child but im way to lazy for that at this time. So dont assume just because someone is older then me he automatically experienced more **** in life then i did.

/rant.
i hate when people play the age card...

as well rounded as you are on all subjects what is your posision on the UN if you have one. Oh buy the way this is how the berkah bunch voted in the UN if you dident happen to see it ???/// jz


How they vote in the United Nations:

Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which
are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time

Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time

Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time

United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.

Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.

Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.

Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.

Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.

India votes against the United States 81% of the time.

Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.

Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

U S Foreign Aid to those that hate us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States,
still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States

And receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States

Receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States

Receives $143,699,000 annually.

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the
American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes ( as well for gas )

UN is like a presidential circle jerk to me :lol: I cant remember them doing anything but sending peace keepers to different places an thats about it. So in my opinion they are pretty much useless. . :shrug:

thats something i can agree with you on

The age card is an allusion to the idea that time is the best way to gain experience, and hopefully along with such experience wisdom. Age often correlates with experience, so it is generally accepted that an older man is not simply just older, but more experienced.
Yet in defending your position on the age card, you site your experiences that have made you more knowledgeable. Would it aggravate you if I told you, without ever being there and knowing only what I have read, that I know twice as much about Chechnya then you? Probably.

Anyways, back to something almost on topic: The UN has many shortcomings, but I look at it moreso as a possible path to take in the future. If we were to abandon the already tattered UN, we would be taking a step back from world peace. Do I think we'll ever have world peace? Not in my lifetime. But striving for peace and the idea of peace through international cooperation is worthwhile IMO. So basically, the UN is debateable, but its values are not. If we think about it seriously though, The US doesn't look like it will pool more sovereignty into a collective, even western centered organization. On a smaller scale, Europe is struggling with the idea of pooled sovereignty in the European Union.

i stated my examples to prove my point, which is just because im young doesnt mean i havent experienced **** in life, or havent seen the world. When someone older comes in he's automatically "knowledgeable" about the world affairs and someone who is clearly younger is almost all of the time dissmissed just because of his age.
You're welcome to go ahead and try chechnya if you so desire, but i think i know enough.

**** all of them!!

what the ****!! how could countries be so stupid? especially india. There are more indians working at taco bell and burgerking ****ing are orders up then in india!!


I stand behind america 100% and will do what ever it takes to defind this great nation!!

America is the best country in the world and if you think differently GET THE **** OUT!!!

end of rant