Thanks Bill, will do from now on.

















Matt here is some stuff on MRI that I found




on their website, go to NSF certified products.
apparently they are tested and certified by nsf for their lableing.
http://www.mri-performance.com/
http://www.nsf.org/index.asp
http://www.nsf.org/consumer/dietary_...ram=DietarySup

I'm not trying to scare anybody! Really! It's just that keeping tabs on your internal health is a good idea if you are taking a lot of supps. Forums, magazines, ads, and such make it look like drinking some of this stuff is harmless and is the same as drinking Gatorade or Fruit Punch- but it's not. Ma Huang/Ephdra was all the rage until somebody died, and then the whole industry said "OOPS! Sorry" and that was that.

Thanks Pete, I feel better know kinda.. still gonna try and get some blood work soon. Can't hurt I guess.

Bill, yea I know, I just get worried about things like this... although liver transplants are among the easiest to do. ;) lol

ya I might as well get some tests done too, even tho I only take an NO, and whey.

Yea same here... but still... chemicals are never good for you... ah well.

I hate to keep kicking this thread back, but figure its better than making a lot of similar threads.

I am looking for alternatives to NO. I mainly just take it for mental help now. It def has lost its origanal effects on me. So what kind of things can I take for a pre workout supp?

Also, I think because I can't do pyramid or fail workouts, I am having a hard time building mass, any thoughts on that? I just do 4 sets of each exercise.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm subforums???? lol prolly not enough intrest in this topic

have you taken a tolerance break yet from the NO?

Yea I cycled off it for like two or three months and when I got back on it, it had no real affect on me.

After I finish the black powder, I am going to stop using NO. I was thinking just getting some creatine.

yeah im getting some too soon

It would not be beneficial to get a stacker and take creatine correct? I think they are remotely the same right?

idk?

dude, check your o-rings in your mixing bottles. NO (blk powder) is carbonated I guess, so the other day i put 2 scoops in and procede to shake it. all of a sudden the ****ing whole top of the bottle flys off creating a huge popping sound showering all my freshly done laundry with 8oz. of fruit explosion. Man, I was PISSED. it was every where. even on the ****ing ceeling. I even had my ****ing hand on the top while it exploded.

Which, is why I use a cup and a spoon ;)

N O is not meant to be shaken

Yup, makes a huge mess.

haha that sucks pete.

i just ordered some extend by scivation for a post workout shake. it came with scivations version of nitric oxide called vasocharge. i hear its buttcheeks but ill try it for a week or two and see if i have any noticeable gains.

Creatine, what brand is good?

ehh..id say wait until your workouts plateau and then use something for a little extra push..

i try to stay away from using supplements as much as possible unless i really need it. as bill said earlier any of them will kill you just a matter of how long

I just get disenhearted when I see no gain in mass.

have u switched up your routine lately? sometimes if you do the same stuff for a while your body expects it. if you do different workouts you can shock muscles into growing bigger.

mass comes with good rest...

I lift ever other day, asleep by 10 every night...

increase weight so that u can barely finish a set of 10...

I lift alone, so I really don't like lifting to fail...

that may be the prob... just tell someone near by to spot u or some one thats working cause thats basically their job... where u lift anyways??

Mi casa.