As was I. It's easy to look back and point fingers and say what they should have done, knowing what we know now.

ahhh more people for the lovely ignore list. I love it....

yeah common sense is a real hard thing to think about in hindsight I know.

:moon: :banghead:

and to think you once called Tsar immature :rollseye:

I'm typing this from Roanoke VA. My nephew was a victim there and is in the hospital now. All I am going to say is that he is stable and responding to medicine well. I'll let you all know more as time goes on but right now the media is being a royal pain in the ass. So gotta keep info minimal. Talk to you all later.

thank you for sharing what you can.

my school is now being anal about checking ID's [but nothing else] because of this and it's like what will that do?

Good vibes out to your nephew, you & your family.

There was no way for the cops to know that after the first 2 dead, that he would go on a murderious rampage ending in another 30 dead.
Not every day do colleges deal with mass killings, so I can only assume that they only assumed that what the first 2 were was just your standard double homicide, not that he would hunt for more blood.
Its very sad to hear this, very sad.

I'm glad your nephew is doing alright. He's very lucky.

what is immature about ignoring people? You want to tell me it was smart for the college to go on like nothing happened after 2 students are murdered at 7 AM. Come on it doesn't take a genius to know classes should have been cancelled until they found the shooter. You have a lot to learn my young padawan. If I could I'd put you on ignore too for agreeing with the boy who knows all.

it sounds more like you have a lot to learn.
why would you stop 30k+ peopel from going on with their lives over a murder? would you suggest my whole township stop living with our daily lives because of a murder? of course not, that is not how the world works.
if you came upon two bodies you think crime scene, not OMG there is a shooter loose that is gonna kill 30 more people. especially when the area in question has a violent crime rate far below the national average, they prolly thought it was jsut an anomaly and started an investigation as any officer would be expected to do.
it is common sense, something that has apparently evaded you in this instance. it would be illogical to expect them to create a panic state by rounding up and restricting the innocent when there was no way to know if it would have made any difference in the outcome of the day.

I know there is a lot of talk on what should have been done and what shouldnt have been done after everything is all said and done. But for standard procedure the school should have been put on lock down and should have been swarming with cops after the 1st shots were fired. Atleast until they knew wtf was going on. There was info posted on the website about what was going on (after the first 2 shootings) and emails that went out to students....but to be honest..i havent been on my school website in over a month nor do I check my email from there. Difficult to say how they should have went about it. It's all said and done now though and it was very tragic and my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims.

would you mind explaining to me how you lock down a campus that is over 2,000 acres and has over 26,000 students...many of which live off campus?

the police did what the could with what they knew. do you really think in a situation like that the local police department would cut corners? I think they did the best they could given the circumstances and the information they had available.

VT like many other major schools is pretty much a small city. It would be like the whole city of Long Branch shutting down due to a murder at Monmouth U, or all of Ewing shutting down due to a death at TCNJ.
They did NOT know he was going to go on a murder rampage. They had no way to know that he was going to then kill 30 people. You couldnt just shut down the whole campus.

if cities shut down everytime shots were fired or someone got murdered in this state no one would ever have to go to work. what kind of sense would that make?

Let's all take a breath. A number of NJ families are directly impacted by this.

*Matt La Porte, 20, from the Bergen County borough of Dumont
*Julia Pryde, 23, a graduate student from Middletown in Monmouth County
*Michael Pohle, a senior from Raritan Township in Hunterdon County
*Mary Read, 19, whose mother lives in Palisades Park.
*Caitlin Hammaren, 19, whose parents live in Kinnelon.

*A student from Gloucester County, Sean McQuade of Mullica Hill, remained in critical condition at a Virginia hospital. He was shot in the face during the attack.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....l=1&thispage=1

good call scott....

firhawk since your such a genious move down there and run for the chief of police in blacksburg, that way you can go be a piece of crap on a virgina f-body site.

HHmmmm....ths looks like its getting a little crazy in here....I am not looking for battles over here...just stating my opinion....as everyone else seems to be.

That seems to be the problem around here 1 hot som ws6 when your opinion is different from the click you get lambasted.

Unfortunately,what certain individuals are overlooking is the fact that this is NOT a small city it is a SCHOOL. A place of higher learning where parents send there children under the assumption they will be looked after and kept safe. What the school did was make a very VERY bad decision and instead of cancelling classes which would have detered students from going to the campus they said, we don't have all the facts so life as usual will continue.

That is the problem they didn't have all the facts and they made ASSumptions and it's gonna come back and bite them in the ass. The parents should and will be furious after they mourn for the loss of their children.

Anyone on here that thinks the school made a good decision has some major problems IN MY OPINION. Try putting your self in the situation. If you found out that someone on campus was murdered and the cops didn't have a suspect / attacker in custody would you feel safe wandering around the streets or sitting in a class room where there is no where to run. Yeah I didn't think you'd want to be there.

It amazes me time and time again how people are so closed minded to other opinions and at times OBVIOUS truths.

LOL I just noticed something else that I won't get into but Hot som you seem to be the anomaly for your age.

i agree with firehawk (aside from the attacking remarks made towards amy). i think the best bet is to always play it safe when something like that happens. i can understand if it is nighttime and not cancelling school the following day, but if a murder just happened, i would assume you would wanna get everyone the hell out before panic erupts. also, having school in session and a murder investigation going on, doesnt sound too efficient.

but at the same time, you cant blame the school. i'm talking since i have hindsight bias and am not in a critical position. i probably woulda cried for my mother had i been a figure in authority in that situation. its a terrible scenario and that only one to blame is the kid who selfishly took the lives of innocent people, as well as himself. what a shame

the first 2 people were shot IN THEIR ROOM .........PLEASE explain how sending everyone back to their dorms *where 2 people had already been shot* would have been a BETTER idea

THIS WAS AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. As awful as it was, the odds of a similar event occuring are so slim they're not worth mentioning. Pointing fingers does JACK S*** to bring back the poor students and faculty that lost their lives as a result of a madman.

And to Gene specifically, in regards to cracking jokes about such a tragedy, I hope you rot in hell with the murderer and all the ********* politicians who are going to find it necessary to enact new rules and laws for an isolated incident simply to further their own agendas.

edit: I think it would be best to leave this thread open for mourning of the departed only

edit #2: 01SS my prayers go out to your family and specifically your nephew, and i wish him a speedy recovery

I was on the beach yesterday for a little mid week vacation and I see in bold letters in the local newspaper that 32 murdered in US... first thing I tought was maybe a huge accident or something but I was wrong..

people here in the phillipines have ask me about it also

I would have to agree with the fact that locking down the whole school would have been a bad idea. I think that advising students to go back into their dorm because a gun man was on the loose might have caused an adverse reaction. You never know what could happen. there could have been a mass panic or something of that nature. if it was a small school than maybe lock down the school but a school with that many students and that many entrances and exits... i think it would be close to impossible.

anyway im not going to point fingers or do the they should have game, the incident is over and there is nothing we can do but be supportive to the familes that were involved. i hope the families well and my condolenses go out to everyone that is involved with this incident

who is amy and when did i attack her??

You play quite the moral high road when it serves you. Someone made a comment that this was all over a friggin girl. at the time I figured what the hell the Imus comment was blown out of proportion already might as well try to make a little light of the situation.

As for the picture of the cop, come on I was not making fun of the situation or the seriousness of what happened. They have 1000's of pictures and they plaster the one of the cop carrying a girl out with size frigging DD boobs and it looks like he's holding her boobs.

You need to learn to relax a little bit I wasn't making fun of the situation itself but individual comments and events within the storyline.

This is another problem with the country people with thin skin. They get offended by every little thing and start screaming and don't go getting upset about the saying coming up, but they scream for bloody murder to shut people up.