if your car all of a sudden is rolling over at 100 MPH... would you rather have that bar welded in, or detachable?

the rest of the cage is welded; it just has the detachable bar so that you can lean back your seat while DD'in the car, then put the bar back in to race.

It is really that much weaker? I kno that welding is stronger (comparing bolt-in subframe connectors to weld-in), but i wouldn't think it would snap like a tooth pic. am i wrong?

that bar is one of the most important, im not trying to argue with you, but it wont pass certification

go to atco....they don't check crap

No, i'm not tryin to argue with u either, I'm just tryin to get all the info b/c down the line, i'll probably install one. I don't want to install one that isn't any better then not having one at all, you kno?

so with that being said, why would someone even buy that style if the most important part is removable?

lol; i kno, i have heard. Id like to have it be "functional" tho.

The most important part is the main hoop. That crossbar is in place to keep the main hoop from collapsing or spidering if you land on your roof and it also serves as a place to attach 5-pt harnesses to. I am not a mechanical engineer but I would guess that all of the bars used in a roll bar or cage kit are geometrically positioned to distribute the forces involved in an accident in such a way that it will minimize injury.

People buy those styles for either looks or if a basic bar is required for some other racing class. Who knows.

not minimize injury thats what the seat does...the cage just holds a sturdy area around the driver in the event of a roll

of course its to minimize injury....in a street car with no cage, the seat belt is designed to allow you to move in the vehicle, that is incase the roof collapses you can duck or move with it..........

in a car with an upright seat and five point harnesses keeping you completely still in the seat, the cage is NEEDED to minimize injury in a rollover situation, a seat will not prevent injurys

so if i understand this properly I won't get in trouble for just the loudmouth at e-town but since i have nitrous I'll need a fire jacket.

Atco, I can probably just go as is since I have a DSL, and a helmet that is snell 2000 or something like that.

OR I can go to Island but will probably also need a fire jacket and possibly other things if they are so critical of safety equipment.

Got it THANKS.

englishtown and island will make you have a new helmet too, they changed it to a snell 05 rating.........

which is funny because they still rent the same old pos helmets

actually its snell 2000 now so their "pos" helmets are still good

nope

SFI 31.1A, Snell SA2005

or

SFI 41.1A, Snell M2005

....well still its snell 2000 now sooooo some of them might be good :lol:

dude, snell 2000 isnt good enough, they made me stop using my 600dollar motorcycle helmet due to that

its in the nhra rulebook, its 2000 now....ask melissa

it was 95 until this year

Show up with a bycicle helmet!

or a bicycle helmet whichever you prefer... :)

mike, where are you getting that from? the 2007 rulebook says snell SA or M2000 or newer. As far as i know 2000 will be good for another year or so.

Eh, I typed quick - der!