That's a thing of the past....

- Justin

Yeah they started removing something from the diesel, I forget exactly what it is but the stuff is now more refined than it was a few years ago.

Although the downside to that is that older diesel motors are now suppose to get an addative to every tank due to this. Lack of lubrication on some diesel specific part. One of my teachers was telling me it cost him a $1700 bill on his 99 cummins. Guy said if he didnt use the addative hed be back in 3 years for the same thing and same bill.

Prolly something to do with the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel that they sell now.

- Justin

True, Germans are making big moves with the diesel engines. You can probably get Boon or James in here to talk about the BluTec diesels from MB.
The Dmax is a very smooth engine for 360hp and 660ftlbs of torque.
The BMW 335d is also a very fast car.

Well, traditional engines are. The 2.9 is actually a small package, and the new 4.5 engine was designed to fit in the same area as a small block chevy by reversing the cylinder heads, putting the intake to the outside and ht exhaust towards the middle. Weight is an issue, which is why a small 2.9 would go awesome in a Camaro.

Yeah but I'm a cummins fan and still stand by the fact that to reach the full potential of a diesel it needs to be an inline engine.

Cummins vs duramax/powerstroke - Cummins is making the same, if not more power from 2 less cylinders and with better mileage.

I'd like to see the weight on these newer diesels though. If companies push for these kinds of breakthrough you will see diesel become cheaper than gas. Its like that nearly everywhere else in the world.

PS: I thought it was sulfur but wasnt sure...

Ehhhhh...check the facts.
Duramax is a 6.6 V8. The new Cummings is now a 6.7 liter 6cyl, makes less power then the Dmax, and the Dmax is cleaner.
2 less cyls, but .1 more displacement. The new 6.4 Twin turbo Diesel Powerstroke is also behind teh Dmax.

6.7L Cummins = 350/650
6.4L Powerstroke = 350/650
6.6L Duramax = 365/660

- Justin

GM FTMFGDCSW!!

yea but atleast Cummins isnt a ****ing outsource Izuzu, and im sorry the turbo win and nosie from a Cummins will always catch my fancy moreso then a izuzu, if i wanted ot drive an Izuzu diesel, id go drive the packbody truck at my job

edit: reason the Cummins is 15hp and 10lb less then the Dura-crap is the fact Chrysler only puts a 3" pipe on there, Cummins RECOMMENDS a 4"

Not a dig at anybody, but it has to be said.

http://www.cumminspower.com/

There's no ****ing G in there. Anywhere.

As it is, Mercedes has made some wicked strides in diesel technology.

It is in the following:
E - sedan
R, ML and GL - SUV's

I've driven an ML 320CDI for about 10-15 minutes and saw 30 mpg out of it

I've driven an R 320CDI for about 500 miles and saw anywhere from 30-34 mpg.

I've had co-workers drive the E 320 bluetec and get in the 40's mpg. I read somewhere that a magazine saw 50 mpg but that was done with drafting, raising tire psi etc.... but still, 50 mpg in a 4,400 - 4,500 lb car ain't half bad ;)

Mercedes will be meeting the emission requirements for 50 state legal diesels shortly.

Germany has a 4 cyl blutec diesel engine for the c=class - hopefully that comes over here. That was rated at 47 mpg :)

Germany also has a v8 diesel which I hear has around 550 tq which is hot!

There are also rumors of AMG (the high perf division of Mercedes) to add to diesel's ;)

I've been puttin it right :D

I'm not claiming to be any diesel tech BUT from the people that I know ( a diesel tech and my friends buddy who has a 98 dodge with a 600ft/lb 2nd gen dodge) I was under the impression that a cummins is a far more reliable, and well built motor with far more upgrades and potential.

I mean as stated going from a 3in exhaust to a 4 or 5in on a diesel is worth huge amounts of power considering its such a simple thing.

u are correct, im guessin he has the 5.9L is it a 12v or 24v? auto or manual?

idk; listen we all saw what they did to the GTO, and how well that car sold. The names behind these cars carry a lot of weight in terms of looks, performance and "what makes them tic". IMO, a Camaro Z28/SS, to me, has NOTHING less then a 5.7L GAS engine, RWD, powertrain. Call me old fashioned or w/e, but that is what the name envisions. Look at the GTO; the ONLY good thing about that car, again IMO, is the fact that it came is an LS1/2 motor. the car is fugly looking, nothing about that car to me says "muscle". i don't mean to sound ignorant or anything; but, removing every "H" and "Honda" emblem on a Civic and replacing them w/ "Chevy" and "Camaro" ones, doesn't make it a Camaro. understand??

if they want to sell this car and make is successful, then they need to build it to what ppl envision it to be; if not, then eff it and scrap it.

I believe its a 2nd gen so thats a 24v if I am correct. Its backed by a nv4500 (5 speed with granny/overdrive) and its got a clutch good to like 750ft/lb's. Its a one ton cab and chassis dually with a dana 60 front and dana 70 rear.

He built it to tow boats at his job with.

if its a 98 24valve with a 5spd, hes got the 235 motor. i think the 12 valve stick and 24valve auto was 215 and the 12 vavle auto was 185. either way the 5.9L 24valves are pure sex:drool:

Well, piss on people with first gen Z/28s then. :wink:

But I get your point. "The name does not a Camaro make." Or any old name being brought back- Challenger, Impala, etc.

What does having a diesel engine have anything to do with what a Camaro is?
Camaro has had to adapt over the years, changing for fuel economy as well as demand. From big blocks to iron dukes, the Camaro has had a many power plants under its hood.
In order to keep Camaro relivent in todays world that has high fuel costs and increasing fuel economy standards, a diesel engine fits the bill.
Having a diesel engine kills two birds with one stone as well. A diesel engine also makes this a viable product to sell over sea's, especially in Europe where diesel engines are 50% of sales. If GM can sell a few thousand Camaro Diesel's over there along with some gas models, as well as sell them in the US and elevate the Camaro's average fuel economy, we can expect higher performance versions making 500-600hp.

Do you still have to plug in the car when it gets wicked cold out so it starts in the morning?????

I no what ur sayin; but, i don't car how badass a car looks; how mean, or how much it looks like it will butt-eff you w/o a reach around; if the damn thing pulls up sounding like a Fed-Ex truck, that's the end for me...lol

Ahaha...gotcha.
Modern diesel's dont have too much diesel noise in all honesty. I guess thats still the image that GM needs to overcome, the image of what diesel's are in the US.
Its funny that in Europe, diesel's have an image of efficiency and economy while in America the thought of diesel's conjure up thick black smoke, loud noises, and the smell.

The more people the car can appeal to, the more chance we have of it staying around for a while. Let them do what they gotta do.


It's ot liek we're saying it will ONLY be diesel right?? just an option

I'd buy an F-body with the 4.5 duramax.

The original GTO was nothing more than a plain-jane family car with a big healthy v8 shoved under the hood. I think that of all the names that have been brought back so far, the GTO is the one that stayed truest to it's roots. A relatively plain looking car with a nice healthy motor under the hood. If I could have afforded a new car, I would have grabbed an 04-06 GTO in a heartbeat.

- Justin

IMO, had they not called it a GTO, it would've sold wayyy better. People have the notion that GTO's were awesome looking muscle cars when they weren't.