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This thread went places.

Aaaaaaanyway, yes. I dont think on any of my paperwork does it give race or age.
And yes, I will decide if this guy is getting a job within the first moments of asking questions and how that person answers it.

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 681240)

So would you hire a gay black midget in a wheelchair? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 681241)

So would you hire a gay black midget in a wheelchair? :rofl:

if his disability(ies depending on how you look at it) doesnt affect job performance and he was the most qualified i would no question

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 681238)

I'm asking this in a serious manner because I truly don't know...how is what you're talking about applying to EOE? You're talking about Affirmative Action which is now illegal if I remember correctly.

Is EOE now the changed named for Affirmative Action kind of how Climate Change is now what Global Warming used to be?

Nasty, well said. Gotta love fighting racism and discrimination with racism and discrimination...proof that common sense goes out the window when you try to level the playing field...such a lovely ideology.

the chief of my college's force, is a retired captain in the njsp and still serves on a board i believe, said that 'the way they get around it is by saying they keep the force consistant with the population'

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 681241)

So would you hire a gay black midget in a wheelchair? :rofl:

Considering he probably cant drive, and driving is 99.999% of what I would be hiring for...no.
Our Rangers are not wheel-chair accessable. But having a gay black guy, working in between Neptune and Asbury Park might work out well for us.
I have two slutty spanish girls that flirt with everyone, why not throw in something for the other 10% of the population.

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 681220)

Say you walk into an interview...[/B]

i was referring to the fact that he said in his original post that he has been applying for lots of jobs lately with no luck, i said what does he have to lose cause he hasnt been getting jobs anyway he might as well try a different approach

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Everyone is making good points and like kasey just said, people can either see it as 'acting out as a repressed white person' or 'i appreciate that this kid has balls'... and as anyone knows me whatsoever knows im not one to put my hand over my mouth on my opinion haha

what about using the term 'white minority'?

You can try to spin this any way you want, the answer is the same. The answer to what you asking in the 1st post…

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"would me putting down "being a minority through my public school years was tough" (which is 100% true) or some similar crap like that make me an *******?.."

…is 100% YES. At best you come off as a smart ass and troublemaker. At worst you are viewed as a liar. I'll say this again. The world is a small place. You never know who you will run into down the road. Oh, and note “im not one to put my hand over my mouth” is not always the best move. Sometime STFU is the best move. I guess that is part of growing up, after you get sack kicked a few times for opening your trap at the wrong time.

“I am a victim of reverse discrimination” is not something you should put down on paper anywhere. Neither is “I am a victim of discrimination”. Either person is a troublemaker and no one wants to hire a troublemaker.

Oh, on those govt forms, IIRC, you don’t have to answer those questions. Just another option for you.

The question whether affirmative action or whatever is good or legal or whatever is irrelevant to the question initially posted.

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Honestly, you need to separate yourself from the crowd somehow...

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i personally dont think its wrong at all you might as well try it what do you have to lose?

:rolleyes: Lying sure will separate you from the crowd, that’s for sure. Everyone likes to hire people with questionable ethics. Here is a professional hint for you guys: Once a liar always a liar. In the workplace once you lose credibility it’s time to get a new job, because you are never going to get that credibility back.

Another lesson for you college aged guys: You can help separate yourself from the crowd but you have to consider it long before you get to the send out your resume step. If you have a job, try to get involved in projects or get promoted in some manner. It does not have to be a fancy job or a big project. Or volunteer for a charity, or be active in college groups/clubs, and try to be more than a schlub member. Experience does not equal paid.

Someone looking for entry level account positions is not going to pick someone with no accounting training, and they are not going to pick someone who was a partner at E&Y for 5 years. Neither is a good fit for the job. When someone screens a resumes, their main goal is to identify the possible good candidates. So your resume is where you get picked to go to the next step. “Helped organize a fraternity fundraiser that raised $1250 for cystic fibrosis” sure looks better than “I delivered pizza”. Don’t you think? Doing both is even better. Now, you can’t lie, because a half decent interviewer will figure that out in 1 minute after they ask you about it. Then you are back to the zero credibility boat.

But what do I know? I've only interviewed hundreds of people and screened tons of resumes.

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 681346)

You can try to spin this any way you want, the answer is the same. The answer to what you asking in the 1st post…
…is 100% YES. At best you come off as a smart ass and troublemaker. At worst you are viewed as a liar. I'll say this again. The world is a small place. You never know who you will run into down the road. Oh, and note “im not one to put my hand over my mouth” is not always the best move. Sometime STFU is the best move. I guess that is part of growing up, after you get sack kicked a few times for opening your trap at the wrong time.

“I am a victim of reverse discrimination” is not something you should put down on paper anywhere. Neither is “I am a victim of discrimination”. Either person is a troublemaker and no one wants to hire a troublemaker.

Oh, on those govt forms, IIRC, you don’t have to answer those questions. Just another option for you.

The question whether affirmative action or whatever is good or legal or whatever is irrelevant to the question initially posted.

:rolleyes: Lying sure will separate you from the crowd, that’s for sure. Everyone likes to hire people with questionable ethics. Here is a professional hint for you guys: Once a liar always a liar. In the workplace once you lose credibility it’s time to get a new job, because you are never going to get that credibility back.

Another lesson for you college aged guys: You can help separate yourself from the crowd but you have to consider it long before you get to the send out your resume step. If you have a job, try to get involved in projects or get promoted in some manner. It does not have to be a fancy job or a big project. Or volunteer for a charity, or be active in college groups/clubs, and try to be more than a schlub member. Experience does not equal paid.

Someone looking for entry level account positions is not going to pick someone with no accounting training, and they are not going to pick someone who was a partner at E&Y for 5 years. Neither is a good fit for the job. When someone screens a resumes, their main goal is to identify the possible good candidates. So your resume is where you get picked to go to the next step. “Helped organize a fraternity fundraiser that raised $1250 for cystic fibrosis” sure looks better than “I delivered pizza”. Don’t you think? Doing both is even better. Now, you can’t lie, because a half decent interviewer will figure that out in 1 minute after they ask you about it. Then you are back to the zero credibility boat.

But what do I know? I've only interviewed hundreds of people and screened tons of resumes.

Yup, I feel the same way. Instant DQ if you lie on your resume/application or run your mouth too hard. If it's a referral we typically report that behavior back to the agency that sent them over.

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 681203)

Are you white? Yes? Then you're not a minority, period.

That will be changing soon....

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Originally Posted by T69SS (Post 681364)

That will be changing soon....

so mysteriously overnight 1/2 the white population of america is going to dissappear?

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 681410)

so mysteriously overnight 1/2 the white population of america is going to dissappear?

The Messicans are plotting our demise as we speak. :mrgreen:

Overall, I couldn't agree with BonzoHansen more. A good employer will know the bounds between what someone was born into, and what they've done or achieved in their life. Being born a white male or a female latino or a black midget is called "luck of the draw". I had no choice in the matter of being born a white male. What you have made out of what you were born into IS what separates you from the rest of the pack. Take a good look around you and it will be very apparent that those who get a job from what APPEARS to be based on their race, gender, etc, ARE seen as qualified for the job at the time in the eyes of the employer.

A good friend of mine (a young, white male) was just accepted as a Federal Probation Officer out in California. He was chosen for the ONE position out of over 1,200 applicants. Why? Because he worked his butt off in school, got his degree, worked at internships all in relation to his field, and did a bang-up job with the interview process. He did not sell himself based on how he grew up or his life circumstances. He focused on all the things he has achieved, and none of the things that held him back.