Originally Posted by cbrrmike (Post 692285)

YES, you get your unrestricted license whenever you already would have as long as you dont screw up, NOTHING is changing about that

Originally Posted by DAcoatAH (Post 692282)

so when i turn 18 i get an unrestricted licence? even though i dont get it untill a couple months after the law takes effect

Originally Posted by SmokingSS (Post 692253)

i wanna get the labels and put them on my car, give the cops somethign to do at night

Originally Posted by WayFast84 (Post 692291)

Technically no. When you have been driving for a full year you can go to the dmv and pay for a new basic license.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 575954)

Graduated licenses are good, now they need to enforce them. Last I read it's a secondary offense so cops can't pull a group of kids over simply because there is a kid driving when he is not supposed to be (late night, car full of kids, etc).

Every time I've looked at per mile crash stats, it's like this:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8075/drivers.jpg

I don't have actual stats handy right now, so I paraphrased what I have read.

that is why policies skyrocket when driving aged kids are around. The numbers are staggering. I had fun with the wording, but the graph is on the money.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 576002)

…BTW, they are going hard after kids 1st because they don't vote or really pay taxes like the 65+ up AARP crowd. Once the kid laws are firmly in place then the AARP has less of an argument for cracking down on the older drivers. Politics matter, and the stats bear out the actions.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 576635)

I already said I'm not sure a tag is worth anything, but it's not like a cop can't see a kid is driving. But kids today are not paying attention to the laws. I read an article in the paper a few months ago where a reporter sat in a high school parking lot and counted the cars driven by students with 3+ kids in the car, which appears to be against the provisional license law. But the cops cannot pull them over just for that. So how do you guys propose the get kids to adhere to the laws?

You cry all day about kids not being treated fairly, but the fact it is just like a credit report. If you have no history it is as bad as having a bad history. Kids have no history, so you judge them by statistical fact. And the facts show kids crash a lot. Welcome to being a grown up. Life can be unfair, deal with it.

That graph I made up before, well, here is a real one from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. I wasn't too far off, huh? Stats have not changed much over the years I guess.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/i...er_people3.gif
And a big part of fatality part for the elderly is they are old and don't heal as easy.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/older_people.html
http://www.iihs.org/research/topics/teenagers.html

And to those asking why the state is 'wasting time' with this, it's called car insurance rates. Lower those ends of that curve and rates go down for all of us. Then politicians can claim they helped push rates down and get re-elected. After the work over the young, then they can use the data to institute programs geared towards the older drivers. By then you guys will be old and be pissed they are targeting older drivers. I giggle at the irony.

Fact is young and old people get in the most accidents by far. You have to handle the kids first because they don't vote and don't pay taxes - no politician has lost his job due to pissing off teenagers. That's life, get over it or go cry in the corner. I say screw the stickers and just let cops pull over cars by making provisional license primary offenses.

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva (Post 576678)

Trying to argue with a teenager and tell him that he doesnt know everything is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. They're just going to turn around and say "yes we do" or as in the case of some of the arguments here "other teenagers don't know everything, but I know I do"…I still don't know everything. But when you finally admit that to yourself and get off your own high horse, then you stop being a danger to the people in the other lanes.

Originally Posted by enRo (Post 692277)

Next step: implementing a senior citizen decal. Maybe white in color. Or one of these:

http://www.dtspeaks.com/gebedo/old-people-crossing.jpg

:lol:

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 692354)

The sticker idea is stupid. The rest of the GDL rules are fine. Now they can start making plans for seniors. I’m going lazy and regurgitation my thoughts from the last time this came up. And to all you guys with big ideas like increased testing better behind the wheel or anything that costs money, take note of the state budget crisis and comments like "NJDMV is so crappy. $4 for stickers?". People are cheap, and are already taxed to the gills for programs.








I just quoted this so I could again say ha ha, you’re growing up!

Originally Posted by WayFast84 (Post 692396)

First of all I haven't had a ticket or an accident and I took a defensive driver course to lower my insurance(10%) which Is still sky high. Second the reporter that sat in the school parking lot didn't go up to them and ask "so which one of you is related to the driver" I am willing to bet that over half of those drivers had a sibling or more in the car which is legal. How many of those kids had been driving for a year? Some people do turn 17 and start driving junior year...

The bottom line is you can be a good and safe law abiding GDL licensed citizen and need to be out driving past 11:00. What will happen when a family is at get together and the parents had to much to drink? A child has a gdl and drives the parents home and gets pulled over. He is now f&*(*d.

The family should have stayed the night or called a cab I know. You guys have thought of it all. Bottom line this does nothing to punish the reckless teen drivers and reward the good teen drivers but it does single them all out to get money for the DMV...

I wonder how much a year in surcharges it will be if you get caught.

Originally Posted by chris67 (Post 692358)

totally agree, especially in the roxbury mall area. Aggggggg!

Originally Posted by cbrrmike (Post 692279)

it is not changing how and when you can get your unrestricted license, it is changing what happens to the people that dont have one

Originally Posted by DAcoatAH (Post 692288)

ok, thanks for clarifying that for me

Originally Posted by LTs1ow (Post 692398)

You don't think an officer would show some discrepancy in the situation you drempt up?

Originally Posted by 79T/A (Post 692492)

And in all honesty, I can't speak for every LEO out there, but if a kid's driving his drunk parents home and a cop tickets him/her for it, that cop's a douche and needs to go back and re-read the definition of the word 'discretion.'

Originally Posted by Knipps (Post 692602)

OK so I haven't read 2 pages of BS but did anyone bother to read this?




AKA if you're 18 with a full license the law doesn't affect you.

Originally Posted by EODMonkey (Post 693033)

well as if the nj economy already didnt suck anyone who works late is screwed and any business that profits from late night customers is screwed. oh wait didnt you all stay out late when you were 19 & 20? so thats a bs statement. if your gonna f off behind the wheel your gonna do it reguardless of mommy n daddy nj telling you not to only now you'll do it later in life. maybe everyone over 21 shouldnt be able to drive after 11 since omg isnt drunk driving the number one killer of whoever is making the graph.nj has to be the best communist state in the union. how about the parents do their job and teach their damn kids not to be stupid. oh no dont blame the parents no lets pass responsibility to someone else. liberal yuppie ************************ who are out of touch with reality. at 19 i was getting ready for a deployment over seas tell me i cant drive at night and i'll show you where to stick it.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 693055)

It appears being old enough to drive does not equate with being old enough to read, lol. :lol:

And aren't there laws about how late under 18 can work? Might be 16 and under, I forget now, been too long since it mattered to me.