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Frosty 07-20-2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow (Post 717358)
WBT, you are too quick. :lol:

That's what she said. ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIING

LTb1ow 07-20-2010 04:48 PM

http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

ryanfx 07-20-2010 08:41 PM

Here is his car, per the forums. I don't see why this guy is bitching. What's not to get about why you're being fined?

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...adae2/340x.jpg

Tru2Chevy 07-20-2010 08:53 PM

Ryan, those aren't the tails he had on at the time he was pulled over.

- Justin

sweetbmxrider 07-20-2010 09:31 PM

:rofl: who the **** cares. if he has tinted tails, he should expect it. if the judge is that dumb, realize we don't have it THAT bad :laugh:

BigAls87Z28 07-20-2010 10:50 PM

So what you are saying is that a state can override and make something illegal that is made legal by the highest court in the land, correct?
State law can be expanded above, but cannot reverse federal law.
Example would be the weed thing. You cannot override federal law. You can only manipulate it or expand upon it. In the end, there is no maryland law that states that these are illegal, so really this argument is useless. The judge has no grasp on the law, be it state or federal, reguarding tail lights.
If it gets to the federal level, it will be thrown out.

BurninrubberGT 07-21-2010 06:53 AM

another example would be the new under 21 law with the stickers, 3 nj towns have abolished the law in their jurisdiction, but it is still active on a state level

WildBillyT 07-21-2010 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BurninrubberGT (Post 717485)
another example would be the new under 21 law with the stickers, 3 nj towns have abolished the law in their jurisdiction, but it is still active on a state level

The best example would be California emissions laws riding on top of federal ones.

BigAls87Z28 07-21-2010 09:12 AM

You are expanding on the federal emissions laws but they cannot violate the federal ones. I don't understand how counties can abolish a rule set by the state run dmv. They might be protesting it but its still a law.

Mike 07-21-2010 11:24 AM

yes EXPANDING maryland isnt saying 20 dollar ebay lights ARE legal, it is saying that a light that the dot approved ISNT, they are making the law stricter, ie EXPANDING on it not reversing it

V 07-21-2010 11:40 AM

interesting case.

and yes the fully blacked out tails werent on his car when stopped.

What he did to his stock tails was similar to the "whistler" mod for the ls1 camaros... opening up the lights and painting the internal surfaces black.

imo, the judge is just overreacting saying stock g8 gt lights are illegal. thats ridiculous. However, she can easily rule that his light were illegal. The DOT certification are for the stock lights, once he opened them up and changed anything, thats the point where the DOT classification meant nothing anymore. The judge should rule that ANY mods to stock equipment is a violation but to say ALL STOCK G8 GT lights are illegal is beyond me. Once her ruling goes to any higher court, be it country or state, it will get thrown out. simple as that.

NastyEllEssWon 07-21-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 717495)
The best example would be California emissions laws riding on top of federal ones.




another example would be the recent recognition of state marijuana laws trumping federal :nod:

WildBillyT 07-21-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 717560)
another example would be the recent recognition of state marijuana laws trumping federal :nod:

They aren't. Before I opened my fat mouth I thought of the MJ stuff and a few other examples.

It looks that way but states don't have that power. I think there are some type of details that make it possible, like enforcement varies from state to state (similar to the Texas home protection laws that make it OK to kill a criminal invading your home vs. other states where that is murder). Or like how Oxycodone is a Class II drug (vs THC @ Class I) but it remains legal in certain cases. I'm guessing it's not the drug itself that's illegal, it's the way it is being used or possessed (based on the CSA of 1970). So basically it's not MJ or Oxycodone that's illegal, it's that it's a controlled substance and using it in a fashion other than indicated by the fed gov is illegal. States put their own laws on top of that, and Cali relaxed theirs.

Maybe a lawyer on here can set me straight.

Frosty 07-21-2010 03:22 PM

I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express :rofl:

Anyway, from what I understand regarding the Cali MJ deal is that the DEA can still come in and raid these places and make arrests. That may have recently changed but a year ago or so the DEA still had authority over ANY state drug law.

NastyEllEssWon 07-21-2010 08:38 PM

in the last year it was regarded that state mj laws trump federal laws. if you get arrested in texas with a california prescription card you are still protected under the laws with which your prescription provides, given that you are still abiding within the parameters set by california state law, if not then it goes out the window.

it was made so because people from california were traveling with their meds and still getting busted by other states.

Frosty 07-21-2010 10:26 PM

Nice, yeah I was going off the old laws.

I'm REALLY shocked that state law can/does trump federal drug laws...times are changing eh?

BurninrubberGT 09-29-2010 01:34 PM

new news

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The Maryland judge who threatened to approve tickets for all Pontiac G8 owners over their stock tail lights has backed down, reportedly saying she "misunderstood." Vehicular freedom's having a good week in the Bay State.

To recap: The judge had issued an $85 fine to the owner of a Pontiac G8 GT for illegal tail lights ticketed by police, and ruled even the factory version would be illegal under Maryland law, despite being approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Thing is, Altezza-style tail lamps can be found on dozens of cars, and are a mainstay of the aftermarket. Thanks to a local state's attorney who has similar lamps on a Lexus, not only were the charges dismissed, but the owner of the G8 received an apology from the supervisor of the officer who wrote the ticket.
http://jalopnik.com/5650920/maryland...-light-charges

qwikz28 09-29-2010 02:57 PM

apparently it was a good day for motorists in Maryland under the law:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/28/f...yland-state-p/

Featherburner 09-29-2010 03:01 PM

What a relief.

V 09-29-2010 04:50 PM

at least theres still some common sense going around even if it takes a while...

Frosty 09-29-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28 (Post 729654)
apparently it was a good day for motorists in Maryland under the law:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/28/f...yland-state-p/

That cop should lose his f'in badge. There was NO reason to pull a gun, especially in civilian clothes. It's jerk-offs like him that give cops a bad rep.

maroman88 09-29-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 729692)
That cop should lose his f'in badge. There was NO reason to pull a gun, especially in civilian clothes. It's jerk-offs like him that give cops a bad rep.

esp wen there was a marked unit behind him already anyway

Firebird92 09-29-2010 11:29 PM

this is why everytime i get pulled over i turn on my droid (cop cam app) because as sad as it is you can never win a hearsay match again the police unless you have alot of $$$ or know somebody

FlyingDutchman 09-30-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 729692)
That cop should lose his f'in badge. There was NO reason to pull a gun, especially in civilian clothes. It's jerk-offs like him that give cops a bad rep.

especially since he approached him gun drawn not stating who he was right away. for all the guy on the motor cycle knew, that cop coulda been a deranged man (although id say the cop is outta his mind lol)


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