580hp due to better exhaust design compared to CTS-V. Same reason that the CTS with the LFX makes less power than a Camaro with the same LFX. Still an LSA

Brian, since the 2012 model run will only be so long, there will be a limited number for 2012, but only because the model year. They will make as many as they can sell, there will be no limited number per year.

Got it. So the guys that gotta have it first will get hammered with the pricing but hopefully it will calm down after the initial run.

this car was on a list of top 10 potential/future collector's cars in an email from Hagerty today "2012 Hagerty Hot List"

I say yes.

My question is how loud are these camaros from the exterior with the butterflys open?

Loud. Even sitting there, the car is noticiablly louder than the SS cars. The exhaust, while routed almost the same, doesn't have the center resonators nor the big utter mufflers. They said, if you open the butterfly valve, you could roll a golf ball all the way to the cat without hitting anything.

they can't be quieter than the other production cars. They are nearly silent!

On this note, how come SS cars are about 4x quieter than say, an Escalade?

How you seen the amount of exhaust tubing, resonators, mufflers, cats, flux capictors and misc nonsense GM likes to cut the balls of their cars with thrown under these barges?

Yes, that's what confused me. I understand stock cars are not supposed to be loud, but when it's marginally louder than a Prius and shamed by an SUV from the same company. Mustangs and the Challengers you can sort of hear.

why with 580 it is such a turd in the 1/4? ive seen 113-117 that is sad

It weighs close what a 2500HD does, thats why. :kneeslap:

Top Gear boys just wrecked one:facepalm:

Let me preface this by saying I'm being totally serious and not just hating.

What components make it weigh so much? 4100 lbs in an aluminum engined car?

Inb4IRS and if you can't afford it, don't question it bro.

in general, comparing the new one to a previous gen, sound deadener, a fairly beefy structure (5 star crash rating,etc.), big wheels, big tire, a pile of air bags.

this car appears to add ~200 lbs to that of a similar S. bigger brakes and I'm guessing the mag shock stuff adds weight. and the lsa motor is heavier too.

But that much weight? Really? Wasn't an LS1 car like 3400 or so, with 17" rims?

Granted it was on a transfer station scale, but with me in it, the vert weighed 3800 even. With 1/8 tank of gas. Everything to possibly make it heavier except 17" wheels. and obviously an iron block.

So your vert was 3750 curb weight? I stand corrected.

Seriously though, I get that cool stuff weighs more like rotors, calipers, and big wheels. But that's really beefy for a car built for handling.

Well you have to take out ~150 for me. 3650 with minimal gas. And again, it's a transfer station scale so it may not be perfectly calibrated for lower weights.

I know transampete had his car's race weight at 4200 but that was an ls1 ws6 6spd with aftermarket rear, cage, nitrous, heavy wheels.

Yikes, alright...well

Camaro SS is just under 3900lbs, so it's an addition of 200lbs.
MRC shocks weight more, larger brakes and calipers, larger 14 bolt iron rear end, thicker roll bars, larger and HD CV axles, supercharger with cooling systems, larger radiator, and overall revised and strenghtened chassis parts.
That adds up to 200lbs.

Arron Gold, who consults for Top Gear USA did wreck the same car I went off the track with. Made me feel a little bit better about going off.

I haven't seen any 1/4 times considering it isn't in production yet...

I've seen you GoKart. He was probably actually trying to put up a competitive time :lol:

Repped good sir, repped

Uh....wut?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...o/70a3ce93.jpg

Looks pretty much like a normal exhaust...

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