Sit in a c7 and the price comes into perspective. I have not been inside a new gt500 though.

Yup, and bone stock!

If I recall correctly the Stingray was at about 120-122mph to the GT500 124-125mph. So, for GT500 having 202HP more than the Stingray it nets 3-5 mph more at the same ET.

Considering how bad the aerodynamics of the Shelby are (piss poor), the Stingray will touch 190mph (the C6 LS3 would do over 190), and the fact that you have more power, it could be a 215mph car with the right gearing.

I have been wanting to pick up a C6 myself - maybe a GS or a base model with the manual. Price are going to slide nicely come later this year...

I get what Jeff is saying here, horsepower sells through marketing and dick measuring. Enthusiasts will see the difference but what percentage of sales come from them? Time will tell....

A Mustang is NOT a sports car, never has been. Neither is the Camaro

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yeah, they used to be pony cars. now they are big ass Clydesdales

Seems stock the GT500's trap in the upper 120's. Thats the stock trap speed between a C6 Z06 and a C6 ZR1.

Thank you..

IDK.. Google american sports cars and mustang and camaro show up a lot.. In todays world the masses think they are sports cars, and the masses is what worries me when it comes to buying them!!

Camaro/bird/mustangs were muscle cars until the 80's...then were regarded as pony cars. Muscle cars were usually associated in the 60's as having available manual transmissions, usable back seat and usable trunk (think 4-4-2 - 4psd/4barrel/dual exhaust). The resurgence of these cars when they went retro, imo puts them back into the muscle car category...sports cars are more vettes, lotus', and dare I say Miata's....2 seater cars w/motor in front or back although motors aft the driver can also put them in the supercar category a la lambos/Ferrari's and the like.

again, this is how I regard the terms....

No, they weren't. They have always been Pony cars

and some people have problems with the evolution of language.

history disagrees with you.

hence the statement on how I regard them.....

Agreed...

Pony car is typically a coupe with a smaller wheelbase (a compact or small car) with smaller dimensions and less weight. Comparison is a 70 Chevelle LS6 coupe to a 396 Camaro SS. Obviously they can be quicker with the same engine, have better aerodynamics, and handle better. Looking back at the late 60's/early 70's trans am cars - Camaros, Mustangs, Firebirds, and AMC Javelin - not the Chevelle or large 2 doors.

Now I can understand that with the lack of "muscle cars" in the 70's onward, one may sort of consider an f-body as a muscle car, but not true. The g-bodies (Monte SS, GN, 442, Pontiac 2+2) of the 80's would be considered muscle cars by definition.

But I do consider the 5th gens as pony cars in a muscle car body due to the weight and dimensions. Ditto for the Challenger, Charger, and the Mustangs of late.

GT500 has a top speed of 200mph thanks to lots of great aero.

No, the Z07 has some additional aero stuff, carbon ceramic brakes, and Pilot Cup tires. Z07 is the Stage 3 package. Z06 with the Stage 3/Z07 package matches the ZR1 in performance and is faster around Milford than the ZR1.
GM has said that the Z06, even loaded, will be under 100k.
Either way, all Z06s get the LT4, bigger two-piece rotors with 6/4 piston calipers, and a host of stuff.

No, what you said was mostly BS that people made up.

Apparently Al doesn't get it either

I am still in awe at the price tag, guess I am out of touch with current automotive pricing.

Yeah, just a bit. But I guess it's crazy to think that a sports car with an aluminum chassis, carbon fiber body panels, advanced suspension, carbon ceramic brakes, hand-built engine making 625+hp, and a hand-crafted interior to cost under 100k. Usually when you put together a car like what I have written above, they cost over 200k, so I can see why you are in awe.

I am with you man, and so are a ton of other people on the Vette forums. Hell the Z28 camaro is suppose to cost 75,000, how could the new Z06 start @ 79,000?? Who would buy the Z28 then? Another issue the Vette crowed has is that its supercharged. They seemed to like the big, all motor cars. Me personally I love the supercharger, but understand were they are coming from. Something about owning a 427 Stingray would have been very cool!

I have been going to different local Chevy dealers every 2 weeks to have them check to see if they have any C6z's or C6ZR1's. I give them my number and email and tell them to contact me. Every week I get emails from Mall chevy, Pelegrino, and Elkins saying that they dont have any C6's but they have plenty of C7's, in stock for me to choose from. F/C Kerbeck was running a 5000 off MSRP of the C7's back in Dec and I am not sure if they are still doing that. Gm is saying that the C7's are selling well but I have only seen about 5-7 of them on the road and I commute from Philly to A/C every day for work. I hope they are selling well, but for being on sale now for 3+ months I would excpect to see more then a handful.

So a mustang can hit 200mph for 55,000 but it takes around 100,000 for a C7 corvette to hit that mark? Being a Corvette guy, that makes me a little upset.

From what I have seen, most are worried about potential heat soak issues on a track oriented supercharged car.

I thought the C6 progression was a good one - nice base engine, next model has a larger, more potent engine, top of the line model has the balls to wall boosted engine. Very anxious to see what the ZR1 specs will be....

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that is a valid concern on an open track. And probably part of the reason the Z28 does not have one

A 662hp Mustang built for super high performance can do 200mph the same way a 505hp Corvette built for performance can do 200mph.
A new Ferrari 458 Italia can only 202mph and costs 250k+
Price does not buy speed. Price indicates a lot of things, but does not mean speed. A half million dollar Rolls can't lap the a track as fast as a 60k Camaro.

What you should make you upset is how can Ford get away with just putting a big engine in a car designed as if it was built in the 1970s and have the audacity to charge north of 60k and offer no other advanced tech with it. No special shocks, no big brakes, no crazy body panels or special active aero, all strapped to a car with a weak live axle.

It is due to all that horsepower pushing that boat anchor through the air. You could probably touch 200mph in a minivan if you stuck that much power into it...

If Ford cared about aerodynamics, why would they use that horrible shape for the Mustang? Even the fox body is better.

Yes it can but the mustang only costs 55,000 were as a 2012 C6Z started @ 74,000. I just watched the top gear with Jeremey racing a bullit train across europe in the new GT500. He said it is the most powerfull V8 production motor ever and also the cheapest priced performance car every for the amount of power you get. He had to find a car that was 35,000 pounds or less. Wonder why he choose the GT500 over the Vettes? They also said that the top speed was 202mph.

being a vette guy I was hoping he would have choosen a base C6 or Base C7 to run but choose the mustang instead...

On a side note anyone else see the C7Z06 Convertible pics going around? That car looks amazing..