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ian, since sept11 and the US' entry into the war on terrorism the number of terrorist strikes has diminished. even the terror organizations themselvces are claiming to have fewer members than ever.
our involvement is making a difference. i know that it isn't a pretty one, but a positive difference non ethe less. this is in large part due to the death/capture of many top terror operatives and the establishment of a stable government structure that has support from around the world. |
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Remember war in yugoslavia? kinda along the lines whats happenned in Rwanda and is happening now in Darfur - well you seemed to be all over that ****, didnt ya? you droped bombs and sent troops there, broke the country in half and put their leader on trial. But i guess that somehow different too, even tho both places were slaughtering people for no good reason aka genocide. im sure you'll come up with something creative like it was close to your allies or yugslavians were gonna invade US after they were done with each other. :shrug: Quote:
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When did "terror organizations" say they have fewer members than ever? i doubt that actually came out of their mouths - somehow it seems um...how should i put this nicely, not true. |
Terrorist strikes have gone down since we attacked Afganistan/Iraq??!?!?! Every road side bomb, every IED that kills 20 people, THAT is a terrorist act!!
We are in the birth of creation, where people have been fighting for thousands of years, and we wedge ourselves between several warring religouis factions, and we expect that our guns and tanks will just solve itself. We had Iraq under the microscope since 91. Air Force flying NON STOP over Iraq. They were NO threat to anyone. Afganastan, I can see because that "goverment" was directly involved in with Sept 11th as well as several other of Osama's attacks. We did not launch a full military invasion to take out suspected factories and camp sites, and that kept them at bay. Remember, they didnt "bomb" us, they didnt blow anything up. There was no explosives on board any of the 3 planes. They were trained here, by American flying schools to fly large aircraft, and they used the planes to do the damage. And now, look at our "free" nation, full of illegal wire taps and the Patriot Acts that can hold you in jail, not disclose your location, or tell you why you are being held against your will, all in the name of "National Security." Years from now, we will look back on this and realise how we destroyed, yet again, American's liberties just like we do on the McCarthy Era, Internment Camps in WWII, as well as several acts passed durring WWI and Spanish-American War. History repeats itself yet again. |
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My biggest problem with Iraq is we went in there as their saviors...we there to save them from big bad Saddam(don't get me wrong, he's a piece of **** and should've been shot on the spot) however why are we helping people that really don't want to be helped? Also, I hear ALL THE TIME "why can't they just let us do our thing and be happy we're there". Great...but let's flip the script here. If some country came HERE would any one of us sit here and let their troops do their thing? **** no. It's sooooo easy to sit here in our cushy homes and say what others should do. I'm a Republican but IMO Bush has brought a lot of shame and tainted the party. It pisses me off because I voted for him both times lol. I support our troops to the fullest extent. Agree with the war or not they're sacrificing more than we'll ever know to even have this simple discussion. God bless them, they're the REAL heroes of our society. EDIT: Too lazy to fix typos |
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I need to be checked into a hospital since I'm agreeing with you again lol I find it funny that the Republican Party has always been for smaller governement, staying out of our daily lives. Right, thanks Bush. It seems like people are willing to give up their freedoms in the name of safety. Our biggest success(our personal freedom) is also are biggest enemy. However, if we start trading in freedoms for security and safety than they've won. |
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2. how does attaining greater security by sacrificing more personal security means "they" have won? if we are still talking about extremist islamic terrorist cells, most of there goals (immediate at least) reside in the ousting of the west from the middle east. americans alive and well (and secure) in the middle east is pissing them off quite a bit, and i don't think its because they are winning. |
policing the world is a tricky subject. i look at it this way...i see some absolutes in the world. for instance...women should be treated like people, not property. slavery is bad. extremist terrorism like al qaeda is a negative, etc. now, as someone correctly pointed out before, america is the only superpower left. i'll take the example of darfur...shouldn't the US "police" darfur if they are unable to and europe chooses to stand by? i think the US should go in their and stop the genocide.
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US involvement in the middle east dates back to the cold war, mainly from the 70's on, NOT JUST the clinton era. the US has been operating in shady ways over there for a while. we did not get attacked b/c of 1 or 2 weak presidents. if anyone wants to go into the details of the terrorist bombings/military responses of these decades, i can elaborate. |
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I don't agree with that statement totally. Aside from religious reason a lot of these extrememists hate us for the fact that we're free. We don't live by a strict religious code that basically strips all personal freedoms. ..and yes when I say "they" I mean those we're fighting. So let me ask you something. Would you be ok with our government listening to your phone calls in the name of security? |
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Agree with your bottom statement but what I meant was if they can make us live in fear or somehow change what this country does then yes, they in a way, have won.
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To quote one of our founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" |
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Lets just withdrawl troops and nuke the ****ers, end o' discussion.
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I'm fully aware of the bombing, however I would hardly consider that a sucessful terrorist attack. it only killed 6 people and wounded about a thousand others. that only stayed in the media for a few months tops and did not alter our entire nations way of life.
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