Before your get those kinda muscles that will droop after you stop lifting, you gotta lift for a pretty damn long time. You wont get huge overnight. Its like those people in january that come to the gym. They dont see any results after few weeks and its buhbye time :nod: great more room for me! This was also the case with both of my roommates. one went to the gym once with me after trying doing squats and clean and jerk he quickly didnt want any of it. The other one lasted like 3 months but his gut didnt go away like he wanted to so he quit:roll: i laughed at him too. Ohh and i eat plenty of supersized stuff, like i said its all about moderation. one big mac with fries wont kill you...

Kasey: if you havent sat in a sauna to cut weight doesnt matter others dont do it.

as far as Arnold book goes... um...Governator was on so much 'roids that even some of my 'roided friends can keep up with his exercises but i guess there's no harm in reading it. i havent read it myself but that's what my friend told me and he actually does bodybuilding... :shrug:

P.S. speaking of weight loss, i lost 4 pound of water today, working in our "steam room" :rofl:

Regardless of his choice in supplementation (remember, the danger of roids was an unknown when he started... he took dianabols, which were created back in the 40's) there is a ton of info in there that doesn't change over the years, and a great amount of info on how to properly perform exercises and such. Between his book, Coleman's, Draper's, and a few others it's the hands down winner IMO for completeness.

The food/diet/supplement data is outdated but then again it changes frequently anyway.

i was talking more about if you were to follow his exercise plan you wont be able to complete it. especially if you're a newb. what im getting at is he should start with something simple.

but like i said i havent personally read the thing, so i wont talk about that book anymore cuz i dunno whats really in there.

Oh ok. I wasn't really sure what you meant.:cheers:

I know, I didnt mowe the back or go for a bike ride, Im dead.. on the other hand, i might do it a little later, but I gotta work on portion controll next:lol:

more great advice. there will be attractive girls in the gym once in awhile. however if you look at her ass to long you'll drop that bench bar on your chest :rofl: so dont do it.

ill have some one spot me :lol:

spotter will be looking at it too.

A girl spotter :twisted:

Sounds like you learned that one from experience.

And yes....spotter will be looking too

Holy crap vitals... he doesn't WANT to get huge! Just get his health up and lose some weight, so I don't knwo why all the serious weight training stuff came into play... and even if he does want to, that's down the road

getting "huge" takes years unless you go on roids. **** im not even huge and ive been doing this for awhile. However i never wanted to be huge. its just resistance training is good for u.

you know exactly what i meant

Yeah, but if he doesn't have too much muscle mass it will be easier for him to gain the weight back.

i might, but without weight training you can still appear to be fat even if you lose lots of weight. The numbers on your scale will be less what they are at the moment but if you take your shirt off you'll still have saggy man boobs and a gut. It's about definition and you get that while lifting weights not runnning. But hey as long as we are talking about losing WEIGHT and not FAT then you're right. I've been doing this a awhile and ive learned from my own mistake, fact of the matter is i can go down to my basement and put on my 50 pound vest on and go spring/run/jog/ walk and by the time im done i WILL be 5 or so pounds lighter, that used to satifsy me until i looked in the mirror and i was like "wtf, ive lost all that weight but i still look like ****?" To me losing fat and decresing your BF% is way more important then lowering the numbers on the scale. but hey maybe its just me.

you should get a job landscaping or something and just eat well.

I dont know why, but for some reason, running and eating right is hellping me out.

I feel much healthier and i dont feel as shy as usual, hell I talked to a girl that lived on my street for most of my life, that I never talked to before!,

I ran a mile when we only had to run 1 lap walk 1 etc etc..

I dont think I ever felt better. I just gotta stick with it!!

and im even considering buying a ipod so I can listen to music while runing/biking around the block!

Definitely get some tunes for while you're working out....you'd be shocked how motivating it can be.

:werd: its kinda hard to squat while listening to christina aguilera... however i still havent invested in ipod thingy :shrug:

Me neither. I'm pretty sure I'd hit it with a dumbbell within the first week.