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qwikz28

08-15-2007 10:07 PM

i had bad experiences with japanese cars but good experiences with american cars. heres a fact: any car will last for you if you maintain it. proof? my uncles 92 civic was sent to the junkyard at 105k, my isuzu and camry at 130k and 154k respectively. my buddy's saturn is about to turn 300k. why? cause he keeps up with his maintanance and doesn't beat the piss out of it as bad as i did my cars.

enjoy the civic, i hear they are wonderful cars. my friend george already has 40k on his 2006. keep up with the maintanance and it will last you a long time. just stay away from toyota for the love of God

qwikz28

08-15-2007 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER (Post 371206)

ok, where does the money end up?
labor accounts for about 40% of producing an automobile. figure half of the car parts or the actual assembly is done in the US, so there goes 20% of the price.
now let's look at who serves on the boards of these companies. they are nearly all american business men, the biggest stock holders, most of them are american investment firms. hell, the president of toyota is an american adn former employee of GM who still lists himself as an american citizen and considers his primary residence his property in california. so there goes 3/4 ofthe profit on a new car back to the US, average production margain being around 14%, we will be kind and call that another 9%.
parts and materials production world wide is dominated by who? GM of course. with a labor expense of 40%, a profit margain of 14%, and GM holding more than 50% of the world materials, parts, and automotive patent markets we can see where mot of the money really does end up, right back here in the US.
the problem isn't where the money goes any more. it is image. he foreign companies are very slow to admit where their products are really getting designed and built because of the image of the american worker, not because of any actual lack of ability or willingness to put in a solid day.
GM has more technology in their pockets right now than most of the companies will roll out in the next 5 years, but they need to turn around the image of their brands before it is of any use at all.

:w00t: i have stock in GM and ford. both posted profits last quarter :)

Squirrel

08-15-2007 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jims69camaro (Post 371138)

chevy puts out a good, reliable car, called the cobalt. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.

edit: cobalts are POS's...

CJDZ24_Z28

08-15-2007 10:11 PM

About time! Sent 2 pm's awhile back never got nada back:(

BonzoHansen

08-15-2007 10:17 PM

So should I buy a Toyota Matrix or a Pontiac Vibe? A Ford Ranger or a Mazda B-Series truck? :willy:

qwikz28

08-15-2007 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirrel (Post 371213)

edit: cobalts are POS's...

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

1_Hot_SOM_WS6

08-15-2007 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwikz28 (Post 371219)

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

Mazda 3 are nice...my friend works for Mazda and says that they are actually a better car then the Mazda 6...he said he has ALOT less problems with them in the shop.

Tru2Chevy

08-15-2007 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwikz28 (Post 371219)

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

No, his mom had one for a little while and couldn't stand it.

I had a 2-door cobalt as a rental, and I also disliked it. A nicely optioned 4 door would be fine for me though.....

- Justin

qwikz28

08-15-2007 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy (Post 371221)

No, his mom had one for a little while and couldn't stand it.

I had a 2-door cobalt as a rental, and I also disliked it. A nicely optioned 4 door would be fine for me though.....

- Justin

i've sat passenger in both cars. i definately liked the 3 better but i wouldn't say the cobalt was a bad car. far better than other cars in the same class like say teh new chryslers or nissans or even the corolla.

BonzoHansen

08-15-2007 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy (Post 371221)

No, his mom had one for a little while and couldn't stand it.

I had a 2-door cobalt as a rental, and I also disliked it. A nicely optioned 4 door would be fine for me though.....

- Justin

This is 1 reason why GM pulled out of the rental market, even though it cost them the #1 sales position. Most rentals are strippers and leave bad tastes in peoples' mouths. The Chevy Uplander I drove in Cali was the biggest POS I ever drove.

Tru2Chevy

08-15-2007 10:31 PM

The only issue I had with the rental (besides that it was very slow, which is to be expected out of an econo-rental) was the HUGE blind spots. I am taller than the average person, and usually that helps when trying to see what's near the driver's side 1/4 panel - not in the 2 door cobalt....I couldn't see jack. Very big issue for me. Otherwise it seemed like a solid little car, and got good milage (about 32 mpg, and I drove it like a rental ;) )

- Justin

Squirrel

08-15-2007 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwikz28 (Post 371219)

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

the 3 is much nicer...but i have such a hatred for the cobalt

Mike	08-15-2007 10:31 PM

i loved my buick lucerene stripper when my pos domestic truck was getting a trans at 8k miles

qwikz28

08-15-2007 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirrel (Post 371231)

the 3 is much nicer...but i have such a hatred for the cobalt

i have a stiffy for a white mazda 3 hatch :drool:

BonzoHansen

08-15-2007 10:40 PM

I dunno, back in my auto business days, i found Mazdas to be POS cars. But things change over time, perhaps. I also found most Nissans to be junk (except the Sentras, oddly enough).

qwikz28

08-15-2007 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 371239)

I dunno, back in my auto business days, i found Mazdas to be POS cars. But things change over time, perhaps. I also found most Nissans to be junk (except the Sentras, oddly enough).

nissans are still junk.... mazda is doing much better now but still not up there with the likes of honda or even toyota (as much as i hate that company)

maroman88

08-15-2007 11:29 PM

nissan is the only foreign company id buy from. the GF just sold her maxima with 76k on it and didnt have a single problem.... she bought a JEEP! im teachin her gooooood, she really wants an 02 supercharged harley edition F150

my parents have always drivin GM's, my dad bought a loaded 94 accord used in like 96 with low miles with VTEC POWER! and that car sucked. you could hear every little pebble that kicked up and it was ungodly slow. needless to say hes bought 2 monte carlos for his DD's since then lol

jims69camaro

08-15-2007 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deadtrend1 (Post 371208)

I can't believe how much of a ordeal this has become. Her money, she earned it, let her spend it how she wants.

how does that impact me voicing my opinion on it? anything posted here is subject to people's opinions, so how is this different? she obviously spent her money on what she wanted.

unstable bob gable

08-15-2007 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrrmike (Post 371131)

he has a crapalear, which is sold overseas with toyota badging........NOW THATS AMERICAN

Well, mine was built here and the engine was built at the Towanda plant in NY, wheich is famous for some of Chevies' most bad azz engines. And yeah THAT'S AMERICAN!!!

DaSkinnyGuy

08-15-2007 11:55 PM

Hey cool daily driver the boys are just upset they get half the gas milage you do

Mike	08-15-2007 11:58 PM

the funny thing is, had anyone said anything bad about you checking out that gremlin, you woulda been all over them like white on scotts ankles, but when she posts pics of her new car, its ok to bash her....

(saw a mustard yellow gremlin yesterday on the way to ac and thought of ya btw....funny lookin little cars that im sure could be cool as hell)

remember. the thread was "new daily driver" not "i need opinions on a new daily driver"

unstable bob gable

08-16-2007 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrrmike (Post 371259)

And it's OK for you to jump on me? Looks to me like yer doing the same thing your complaining about me doing. Lets pile up the hypocrisy. And FYI, my cars have gotten bashed on this board, as well as my lack of an F body. And I've taken it all in stride...

Mike	08-16-2007 12:13 AM

not jumping on you, im just making a point and stating my opinion, just like you and jim have been

unstable bob gable

08-16-2007 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbrrmike (Post 371264)

not jumping on you, im just making a point and stating my opinion, just like you and jim have been

And that is the point of making a point...um, I think...:mrgreen:

wrong generation

08-16-2007 01:06 AM

im not trying to get on any ones case here for who bought what or what not but

i agree 110% with unstable bob gable and jims69camaro

hell there is no need to buy jap crap when you can buy a ford gm or mopar

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1_Hot_SOM_WS6 (Post 371095)

Thats ok....in a few years when ur American DD is broke down with its common issues....my Jap DD will still be running stong like the day I got it :wink:

umm jap cars have more recalls and problems then any domestic car has ever had so i highly doubt it will be running at all let alone running strong for that matter.

and one last thing

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1_Hot_SOM_WS6 (Post 371095)

I dont want to rack up un-necessary miles on my baby.

umm if your afraid to put miles on a car then why own it ? it would make more sense to sell that honduh and put any and all $ into your firebird instead of making payments on the honduh because in the long wrong you will have spent more $ on that pos then you would have on your firebird

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