man enough with the fire jokes. that was '84 and '85 4 cyls, and they all got recalled and fixed anyway.

though i agree i would love to see it return of course hahaha.

Never say never. 10 years ago, who would have thought that cadallac would make trucks?

Im telling you, they wont. Maybe a cross over or a small SUV, like the upcoming Torrent, but a pick up truck will never see the light of day with a Pontiac name on it.

I think it would be awsome if there was a pontiac corvette. Not exactly a corvette, but something thats pontiac built thats up there. I threw some drawings together. I'll post them as soon as i get them on a computer, in case anyone from GM (specifically pontiac) is reading. :wink: Something distinctly american in power, but distinctly european in styling. rear engine, rear wheel drive coupe, side exit exhaust (almost everything i draw has a side exit exhaust. I love that idea.) like i said, i threw a rough sketch together in my notebook durring lunch. when i get home, ill scan it into the computer and try and get it online, so i can post a link to it, and you guys can tell me what you think.

Sounds like the Solstice, since its chassis is very close in design to teh Corvette. Only, its not mid engined.

i would like to see a super car, even if its just a concept... ford came out with the GT and now the Shelby as production. Â*The vette in my opinion is a great car yes, but not a supercar in my mind. too many yuppies got them around here and its annoying, I've raced a few in my SS and they werent a problem. Â*i would like to see chevy blow the doors off the ford motor company with a v12, like that caddy motor. Â*the v16 caddy motor was sick , maybe just use that, 1000hp hehe. Â*If they do it, i dont want it to be thrown together with parts from their present parts bins or anythign with that full modern retro style, omething clean, comfy and practical. Â*i dunno maybe i'm just old fashinoed but billet aluminum has its place and its not to accent every dahm piece of an interior... Â*
oh yea, and they need to stick a LS2/t56 in a 2wd colorado standard cab shortbed Â*:roll:

ok, when i say like the corvette, i dont mean really like a vette. Â*I mean something that can compete with it. Â*something with 400+ horsepower, with a top speed of almost 200 mph, that can do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds, etc, and in a body that screams of more than just power. Â*even if its not really affordable, just an all out effort by pontiac to make something BIG! Â*something that will forever be remembered, like the original GTO. Â*Like i said, all out. Â*the biggest motor they can come up with. Â*Styling that mixes ferrari, loutus, porche, and noble, among other european manufacturers. Â*something that, while not practical, is something people can go to be dreaming about, and they wake up finding themselves with their arms out in front of them like their holding the steering wheel. something with a NAME that inspires passion, like Firehawk did. Â*Something people WANT to see in exotic car callendars, along with the modena, the slr, the s1, the mc12, the esprit, etc. Â*am i making sense, or am i just pretty much talking to myself?

Hrm....supercar concept....

http://www.fast-cars.ch/images/Cadil...lac_Cien_6.jpg

YES!!!!!!! (but with pontiac badges and styling) what is the name of that car? i have a calendar with it featured in one of the months, but the callander doesnt give any names.

al...yes that is exactly what i want...mmmmm :drool: Â* so...when will that be available and who do i ahve to kill to get one...haha Â*:lol:

That would be the Cien, a concept car done to celebrate Caddy's 100th birthday (Cien=100).
Hrmm...The car wont be available any time soon, but it is deffinatly something that Caddy wants to do. First, they need to get the STS out and into the minds of luxury buyers, then they will release there large sedan to really show off there power, and then Id say that if all goes well, a Caddy Supercar could see the light of day some time next decade. Caddy has bigger things to worry about.

Bring back Geo Prizms :lol: :lol: :lol: (joke) :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can see SUVs not being reproduced, due to the hate of the "Aztek flop" (which sold something like less than 10,000 total)... but maybe a pickup truck would be nice, small or large.

*Edit* Talking about Pontiac here...

The Aztek will be replaced by the Pontiac Torrent, which is, more or less, a rebadged Chevy Equinox. Different suspension, same engine and 5spd auto trans. Its a much nicer looking SUV, but doesnt have the flexablity that the Aztek had.

And the Geo Prizm has be recreated with teh Chevy Aveo.

THAT UGLY POS?! I'd drive a prizm with a SMILE ON MY FACE before id drive that thing!

ahhhh...I dunno about that. Aveo hatch is pretty cool for a teenager kid...better then the xA.

well, thats like saying cheep no name brand boots are better for your feet in the winter than sandles. and as far as scion goes, the tC isnt that bad looking. dont know anything other than what i see, but compared to the xA and xB, its actually somewhat attractive.

Pontiac should only make cars, not trucks or SUV's. They are GM's "performance division", and I don't exactly see too many of GM's trucks/SUV's being performance vehicles. Unless they bring back the Typhoon/Syclone...

well, i'm basically a car enthusiast. to dismiss the COPO the way you did as some kind of failure just shows you don't really understand what they did. they were the fleet line that built cop cars, taxis, etc., basically built-to-order cars. that's what i am talking about. maybe this discussion was more about style and less about performance? i'm talking about bringing back the build-to-order capability and slamming an LS2 into a solstice (assuming the engineers could make it fit). the nice thing about the early camaros is that they could accept whatever engine in the lineup - just change the motor mounts and mate it up to a transmission and you were done. that's why guys like gibbs, nickey, yenko and baldwin were able to build cars in their dealership. then they found out that the cars could be ordered that way from the factory, via the COPO division, and that's when you learned about the 69 cars being produced. how many cars were custom tailored in these guys' service shops? no one knows for sure, but if you have a plain-jane exterior and a 454 under the hood, chances are one of those dealerships built the car. trust me, this is under heavy discussion in the first gen groups, as it's not easy to document and if the car doesn't have the original paperwork (who knew back then to save the window sticker?) or the build sheet, it's not believed.

what i am saying is give us back the ability to build our own cars. that would sell more cars, IMO, because imagine the highest output engine in the lightest chassis... and having enough wherewithall to carve the sharpest corners AND look good at the cruise nights. far more enthusiasts would forget about the good old days and get off their butts to buy a new car. again, just my humble opinion. why else would the CTS-V and the z06 be so popular among the baby boomers that have disposible income? if we're talking dollars and cents for the car producers...

I agree about the coolness of COPO. What I am trying to say that for GM to have such an opperation would be very costly. Another aspect is that putting an LS2 into a Solstice, or something like that, would require HOURS of engineering work of retuning the suspension, and crash testing, and emissions testing, along with everything else, and they would NEVER make that money back. This isnt the 60's where this was possible.
I think if you want super performance cars, GM will build them. I dont think that most older muscle car guys would go buy a "new" muslce car just based on that its new and that it doesnt have the same meaning of there old muscle car. Just read this.
There is a market for performance cars, there is no doubt. But the only time you are going to see these cars is if GMPD makes it for you, fully engineered for tearing into a turn, ripping you out of a hole, and smashing your face to the windshield when you need to stop.