1. Something, such as a machine or an engine, that produces or imparts motion.
2. A device that converts any form of energy into mechanical energy, especially an internal-combustion engine or an arrangement of coils and magnets that converts electric current into mechanical power.
3. A motor vehicle, especially an automobile:



the deffinition has been modified for modern terms. you old people need to get your noses out the air and realize that if GMMG made the panel for the berger modified camaros then it can be called a berger panel. its not like theyre calling it a ss396 panel. theyre getting their definition from a MODERN DAY DEALER MODIFICATION that gets it as a nod toward the old school tail panels. its easier than saying OLD SCHOOL BLACKED OUT TAIL PANEL RECALLING THE OLD BIG BLOCK BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.


i know its commonly called brake fluid and transmission fluid but i have a habit of calling them all oil. brake oil. trans oil. rear oil. its a habit.

Berger copied the style of the blacked out pannels of big block cars.
There is no other way around it. You can continue to call it Berger pannel since you are trying to mimic the design of thier blacked out pannel that was in fact derived from the blacked out tail pannels on Chevy big block SS cars.

Call me ignorant all you want but I know you can't pay homage to the future. :moon:

its a 4th gen camaro thing, you old dudes just don't understand.

it is much easier to say berger panel instead of blacked out tail panel and people know exactly what you are talking about then. it is proper terminology because berger chevy sold these cars exclusively, plus our panel goes under our tail lights. it is nothing like a 1st gen.

That part of your car is a tail panel. It is ridiculous to call it anything else. What would you call it if it wasn't blacked out? You would still call that part of the car a "Berger Panel"? And by that logic, it shouldn't be an SS hood on the SS- it should be an SLP hood?

But then we'd have to call milk cow-juice!

Perhaps there is the crux of the issue. You are saying young people are too lazy to learn or use the correct terminology? Is that your argument? Great. Society FTL. I wonder if that same young dude gets pissy when a guy with a first gen stops talking to them because they sound so stupid?

"plus our panel goes under our tail lights" – What? In both my cars the tail panel goes under the lights, and in fact goes all the way around the 67 lights.

The space between the tail lights is the tail panel, regardless of construction method. My 77 and 67 certainly both have tail panels. You just can’t unbolt them.

HAHAHA come on....I know I'm engaged and have a house and a job but when the hell did I somehow slip into the "old guy" category? I'm only 27 for God's sake!

Oh and don't forget about your blinker oil ;-)

how so?, do you mean the black part between the tail lights and before the license plate?

exactly :nod: enjoy what is left of social security btw

tell ya what, i'll start calling it a dick harrell panel. argue that.

Couldn't we trim that to Dick panel? :rofl:

*We determined GMMG did not in fact use the term Berger Panel. So if they don't why do you?

*Idiots do call non-4th gen, and even non-black 4th gen, tail panels 'berger panels' I've heard both.

sure!

i am actually going to set a new goal of acquiring one of the blacked out tail panels from a dick harrell supercar and throw it on mine. therefor i will be correct always :nod:

maybe i can send mine to gmmg and have them do one personally? would that suffice? i'll have to go through berger chevy though. road trip! or phone call :lol:

Paul, that reminds me. I want to get my walker powder coated. What type of turnaround can I expect on that? And does Spohn make polyeurethane walker feet? The tennis balls are flexing too much when I'm cornering hard.

:rofl::rofl: ahahhaha

The additional weight of the powdercoat would make it too difficult for you to continue walking with it due to the breakdown of your now feeble old body. I would suggest a titanium unit instead...with solid feet. You're also not as quick as you used to be so cornering g's should be kept to a minimum.

there are tail panels in the classifieds of this forum and ls1 tech in many colors, listed in the ads as "berger panels"

its been mentioned several times in this thread, dick Harrell and Berger Chevrolet didn't call the parts Berger panels, so you would still be incorrect

Uhh but the whole car is black so does that really count?
Generator produces DC and outputs DC. Alternator produces AC and outputs DC so all modern cars have an alternator because it is more efficient to produce AC than DC then it is to produce DC and regulate it
It is all an oil derivitive so technically it is still oil

He needs a titanium one from Forgeline. It uses delrin bushings and special no-bind links..

Any rotating device used to make electricity will make AC. Aside from solar panels and battery.

Spinning solar panels and battery? AAAHAHHHHH! It's a twister! LOL

WRONG! it depends on how the armature is set up. Hence a generator makes DC. It is all about efficiency. That is why we have AC into the house rather than DC while most electric devices, excluding MOTORS (can be set up for either), utulize DC. Voltage drop of DC over AC is tremendous. It is more efficient to re-convert it back to required usage. And an electric motor can be made to PRODUCE current but only the same type as it is made to use.

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Nope. Any rotating device will make alternating current. You can change it to DC through commuters and brushes but it will still be alternating current. You need coils to smooth it out to get more usable DC.

Although technically you are correct you still fail, when you cross a piece of wire through a magnetic field you induce a voltage. one side will have a positive and one will have a negative. When you only utulize one pole of the field you only get one potential out of it. You must use the north and south pole to get both potentials. So if you use a generator and get half a sine wave out of it that isnt alternating, it has to cross that plane into the other side. Whether or not you smooth out that potential voltage into a steady voltage or not is irrelevant.
Also you use capacitors to smooth out voltage, diodes to change AC to DC, and commuters are people who travel from place of residence to work or full time study :wink:

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ya i know i said it. but if i get a tail panel blacked out by berger chevy, i can call it just that. hell i'll find a painter who's name is berger and have him paint my ****! W!N