Yeah and they opened their brand new, ~$15M facility. We just got one of those fliers inviting us in. Apparently 2004-05 was very good to them, getting the capital they needed to expand. They dropped Hummer but picked up Kia. A very good move for them.

I still have plans to look at a GM vehicle first, not out of loyalty (I'm a Toyota owner), but because I just like the looks of the new GM lineup. As always I wish the price point was lower, but it's still manageable.

Can I ask you why a Terrain over an Equinox? Not judging you, just getting info for a future article. I personally like both of them, and they both offer fantastic and best in class CUV's, especially for the money.

I liked the more aggressive exterior looks of the Terrain, plus the subtle differences in interior layout over the Equinox. Ultimately they are the same car, with the base Equinox starting with fewer features and less cost.

The seat-back DVD players are a factor for me since I have kids and we would use the next SUV for Winter trips to Vermont where my family has a house. The minivan the last two times, despite FWD, just doesn't cut it on some of those back road hills that we've traveled to get to special events.

Edit: And I like the red interior lighting of the Terrain like Pontiac had. A nostalgic point, but important to me.

Gotcha. I was talking to Mike Simco, one GM's big desingers (He's from Oz as well) and we talked about the differences between the two trucks and who they appeal too.

I dunno how I'm beating Al to this since I just saw it from him, but...



Recalled Camry goes over KY cliff after accelerator sticks

I'm on a ton of different websites and read a bunch of blogs...it's AMAZING how the Toyota fanbois or the anti-domestic crowed IMMEDIATELY flips the conversation to what GM And Ford has done in the past...it's absolutely amazing. Ford and GM have ****ed up in the past and were scumbags about it...but now it's the self-proclaimed King of Reliability to be exposed for who they are and the fanbois don't like it.

If I do it, then I look like a crazed GM fanboi.
If everyone else finds an article...well its that good news travels fast.

You are a crazy fanboi...so are they! :)

But Al, you are a GM fanboi :rofl::D

To most of you guys, yes. I am around the automotive news a lot, and would like to one day make that my job. I do like GM, but am not a fanboi.

So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?

The first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem. :mrgreen:

If those people have not been notified of the recall and told not to drive their cars, yes.

- Justin

Toyota still ****ed up, its thier fault reguardless.
People drive the cars and get hurt, Toyota is still liable.

I don't think it is even that simple. Products liability is pretty straight forward from what I've learned. If most people aren't heeding the warning, they wouldn't be expected to and Toyota would still be liable even if they warned the people. That being said, I doubt most people stopped driving their Toyotas.

This weekend I still saw people driving around in Toyotas that have been recalled. When cars like the Camry that are the #1 selling sedan in the country, it's hard for people to just stop driving them even in light of a major recall. For most, it is probably their main or only form a transportation. They either have no choice, or they still feel their Toyota is invincible.

exactly! and the courts will consider this when someone crashes even after being notified of the recall

hahaha did anyone see that now there are a number of complaints from toyota owners that the cars are randomly stalling due to a ECM error

Apparently the cat ran out of the bag with it's accelerator stuck and it's tail on fire.

Funny I had both of these problems while I had my awesome GM product! :lol:

Sticking gas pedal and random stalls (while driving).

well its due to magnetic/radio interference in the drive by wire. apparently they are going to shim the spring in the pedal and that will do.......something. freakin technology killing humans already......


so is it a good idea to buy yoda stocks?

Anyone have a shovel?
 

Because Toyota's CEO is really dishing a a lot of BS:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...79161#35179161

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/a...&asset=&ccode=

yahoo!

I hope Nader is writing a book about them.
Here is another case where NHTSA's "standars" and testing are being called into question again.
I found an article talking about NHTSA's testing of saddle gas tankes in the 80's GM trucks, saying that they met all crash standards.

I kinda of skimmed over the article but I believe I read they were alerted to this problem numerous times through complaints and letters but claimed they didn't have the manpower/resources to check it out.