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emolineaux 01-26-2009 06:37 PM

engine found need opinions
 
ok guys so i sold my 406 and trans and was going to start my lt1 build if i didnt sell my monte but i was looking around for an ls1 and i happen to come across a cheap priced ls style 8.1L out of a 00 gmc. im thinking about buying it. what are the pros and cons to that motor i dont know much about it, and would it be a pain to put it in my 86 monte? i know they make conversion mounts for the ls1 in my car but idk about the big blocks

camaro2you 01-26-2009 06:52 PM

Its a strong motor i have it in my avalanche its a heavy mother and has a lot of torque but im unsure of what parts are actually available for it.

ta350 01-26-2009 06:54 PM

It is a factory, heavy truck motor. Cast iron crank. Strictly a low rpm workhorse. It is based in the latest series of big blocks, with their cooling and oiling differences, one piece rear main seal. As built, there is nothing hi-performance about it. Heads are small port truck..... but there is a supercharger made for it and i believe 502 heads fit on there.


345HP/460Ft LBs of Torque

PolarBear 01-26-2009 06:55 PM

I think the worst part of the swap (and expensive) are the headers

NJ346 01-26-2009 06:59 PM

erick are you a member on LS1teh? I just did a search over there and found some info: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conver...en-camaro.html . Pretty much they are saying a 6.0 truck block might be the better bet, and the 8.1 weighs close to 800lbs so it you'd have to make sure the suspension on the front end is good in that car.

ta350 01-26-2009 07:02 PM

I would personally get a 6.0L much easier to make power and parts readily available... ls1trucks.com has alot of parts and tech on there


or duramax it like this Grand National

http://18to1.com/index.php?&MMN_position=1:1

emolineaux 01-26-2009 07:05 PM

i just found a gen 5 454 for $450 guy says it needs rebuild

DaSkinnyGuy 01-26-2009 07:06 PM

find an LQ9 6.0L truck block.

LTb1ow 01-26-2009 07:07 PM

Make the LT1 a 396?

emolineaux 01-26-2009 07:19 PM

i dont want to drop the money im getting from the 406 to get a stroker kit

sweetbmxrider 01-26-2009 07:45 PM

lq4

Tru2Chevy 01-26-2009 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emolineaux (Post 538818)
ok guys so i sold my 406 and trans and was going to start my lt1 build if i didnt sell my monte but i was looking around for an ls1 and i happen to come across a cheap priced ls style 8.1L out of a 00 gmc. im thinking about buying it. what are the pros and cons to that motor i dont know much about it, and would it be a pain to put it in my 86 monte? i know they make conversion mounts for the ls1 in my car but idk about the big blocks

It's not an LS-based engine, it's a BBC. I would skip it unless it was dirt cheap. A 6.0L is a good starting point for a build, but I would look around for an LS2 block to start with instead of an LQ9....aluminum > iron

- Justin

emolineaux 01-26-2009 07:53 PM

sorry i thought it was part of the ls family. the 8.1 is $500 and the 5th gen 454 is $450

Tru2Chevy 01-26-2009 08:01 PM

And this is to drop into your MC?

- Justin

emolineaux 01-26-2009 08:04 PM

yes. before i first started this project i wanted it to be a big block car

Tru2Chevy 01-26-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emolineaux (Post 538932)
yes. before i first started this project i wanted it to be a big block car

I haven't personally done it, but I wouldn't think swapping a big block into a G-Body would be much of a big deal.

And Scooter - Super Comps for that application are $499 from Jegs....

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hooker/520/2241/10002/-1

- Justin

emolineaux 01-26-2009 08:12 PM

the headers that i had on the 406 dont fit the lt1. does the lt1 take special headers? i cant find ones for a swap in an lt1 for my car there all gen 1 and the ls1 engines

PolarBear 01-26-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy (Post 538939)
And Scooter - Super Comps for that application are $499 from Jegs....

Yeah I forgot, Rich wanted a specific size for a BBC and not many people made them, the ones available are expensive

LTb1ow 01-26-2009 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emolineaux (Post 538941)
the headers that i had on the 406 dont fit the lt1. does the lt1 take special headers? i cant find ones for a swap in an lt1 for my car there all gen 1 and the ls1 engines

Yup, its a special engine.

WildBillyT 01-26-2009 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ta350 (Post 538836)
It is a factory, heavy truck motor. Cast iron crank. Strictly a low rpm workhorse. It is based in the latest series of big blocks, with their cooling and oiling differences, one piece rear main seal. As built, there is nothing hi-performance about it. Heads are small port truck..... but there is a supercharger made for it and i believe 502 heads fit on there.


345HP/460Ft LBs of Torque

QFT.

Not worth it. There aren't that many speed parts for it since a lot of Mark IV stuff doesn't swap over.

JL8Jeff 01-26-2009 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emolineaux (Post 538941)
the headers that i had on the 406 dont fit the lt1. does the lt1 take special headers? i cant find ones for a swap in an lt1 for my car there all gen 1 and the ls1 engines

Why don't the 406 headers fit the LT1, same small block motor so they should bolt right up. The LT1 has D exhaust ports but that shouldn't be a problem. I put standard headers for a 68 Camaro small block motor on the 94 LT1 motor that was in the car with no problems.

ta350 01-26-2009 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 538999)
QFT.

Not worth it. There aren't that many speed parts for it since a lot of Mark IV stuff doesn't swap over.


QFT? Im slacking on the lingo

WildBillyT 01-26-2009 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ta350 (Post 539103)
QFT? Im slacking on the lingo

Quoted for truth, or, as I use it, Quite ****ing true. Basically it means I agree with what you said 100%.

emolineaux 01-26-2009 10:07 PM

i have the lt1 on the engine stand and i went to just bolt the headers on there for now and after i put the first bolt in the rest didnt match up along with the ports.

ta350 01-26-2009 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 539107)
Quoted for truth, or, as I use it, Quite ****ing true. Basically it means I agree with what you said 100%.

:werddance:


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